[NCSG-PC] Board seat nomination
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Tue Mar 7 15:18:17 EET 2017
May I kick this off and nominate Matthew Shears?
Stephanie Perrin
On 2017-03-07 05:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As we agreed before, we have to get candidates nominated for the board
> seat election by this Friday.
>
> We don't have a procedure written yet but we need to act here:
> nominating and documenting the process.
>
> I am thinking we should encourage people to nominate but not
> self-nomination. And because time constraint to make the nomination by
> PC members and keeping NCSG members informed about the process.
> Any volunteer to help me to document the process.
> It is not optimal but I sensed from the discussion that we got to be
> proactive.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Mar 1, 2017 9:58 PM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Thanks for the message, yes this something we have to agree and
> act quickly on it.
> I think that was/should be nomination by others and within PC, but
> looking to hear from others too. We got till 10th March to get
> nominees.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-03-01 21:54 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>:
>
> Thanks Rafik.
> One question; Are nominations within our group to be self
> nominations, nominations by others, both, and opened to the
> general membership or just members of the PC?
> I'm sorry to ask what may be basic questions but I haven't
> been involved in the Board selection process before and would
> just like to fully understand the process.
> Kind Regards,
> Ed
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:49 PM
> *To*: "avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>" <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board
> Seat Selection Process
> Hi everyone,
> since there was no objection, I will send our response to CSG
> and also our suggestion for nomination period to run from 1st
> March to 10th March .
> Best,
> Rafik
> 2017-02-27 23:05 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>
> Hi Avri,
> thanks for the suggestion,
> so we have now:
> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> - we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
> parallel starting (Wednesday?)
>
> Our counter-proposal is:
>
> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
> succeed.
> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round
> between top two
> * a joint interview of the top 2 before second round with
> the whole house.
> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round
> of leader
> against NOTA
> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat
> open until we get
> our act together.
> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA
> talk until we
> get our act together.
>
> we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and
> document that.
> can we get consensus this by Tuesday 12:00pm UTC and
> respond ot CSG?
> Best,
> Rafik
> 2017-02-24
> 21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>>:
>
>
>
> some minor typo corrections
>
> Our counter-proposal is:
>
> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8
> to succeed.
> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second
> round between top two
>
> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd
> round of leader
> against NOTA
> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat
> open until we get
> our act together.
> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and
> NCA talk until we
> get our act together.
>
> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
> >
> > I guess we say:
> > - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> > - However, we can start the nomination process, for
> NCSG and CSG in
> > parallel starting next week Monday
> > - Our counter-proposal is:
> >
> > * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> > * there must be a vote along the previous lines -
> 8 to succeed.
> > * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> > * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round
> between top two
> > * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round
> of leader against
> > NOTA
> > * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the
> seat open until we
> > get our act together.
> > * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and
> NCA talk until we
> > get our act together.
> >
> > if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share
> our response with CSG.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> >
> > 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org
> <mailto:avri at apc.org> <mailto:avri at apc.org
> <mailto:avri at apc.org>>>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think we could respond that we do not accept
> their proposal
> >
> > - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> >
> > - we insist that there be a vote along the
> previous lines - 8 to
> > succeed.
> >
> > - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> >
> > - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second
> round between top two
> >
> > - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd
> round of leader
> > against NOTA
> >
> > - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat
> open until we get our
> > act together.
> >
> > - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and
> NCA talk until
> > we get
> > our act together.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say
> we are considering/or
> > > not their doc and will be proposing something
> or an alternative
> > > version - and put some deadline on it for us -
> maybe end of next
> > week?
> > >
> > > And, try to get agreement on a nomination
> period - say next
> > week? or
> > > two weeks from Monday? Probably would be
> useful to have the
> > CSG and
> > > NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree
> with CSG whether
> > > should be nomination and/or self nomination.
> > >
> > > In the interim start work on the process?
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> we really need to develop our response or
> proposal to CSG
> > quickly. at
> > >> least covering the topic of nomination.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> > >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>>:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Matt,
> > >>
> > >> thanks for the response, looking for other
> comments on this
> > topic.
> > >> I think we can start with nomination whole
> we work on the
> > process
> > >> and adjust the whole timeline.
> > >> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2
> candidates for
> > >> now. shall we initiate a process to find other
> candidates? we
> > >> don't have so much time for a long nomination
> period.
> > >>
> > >> I understand that we are having the deadline
> as a mean to press
> > >> us but we should stand and be clear about
> the aspects which are
> > >> non-negotiable with regard to the process.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears
> <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
> > <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
> > >> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org
> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org
> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>>:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Rafik
> > >>
> > >> Not sure much was agreed except that we need
> to deal
> > with it
> > >> and we are running out of time.
> > >>
> > >> First we had the timeline from Greg before
> the meeting,
> > which
> > >> was not really discussed further. Then we
> had some general
> > >> discussion about the need to do something on
> the Board
> > >> selection process. People voiced their views
> on different
> > >> aspects of the process and there was concern
> over the
> > >> timeline, but we did not really decide
> anything (others
> > >> please jump in as I may have missed some
> important
> > >> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to
> continue in the
> > >> role; I announced I was going to run. Then
> the CSG
> > proposal
> > >> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM.
> There seemed
> > to be
> > >> general agreement that the CSG proposal was
> not ideal.
> > >>
> > >> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
> > process and
> > >> timeline for nominations and getting that
> announced, so at
> > >> least the initial stages of the process are
> underway.
> > >>
> > >> Matthew
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >>> Hi everyone,
> > >>>
> > >>> We got this note from Greg to resume the
> discussion on
> > board
> > >>> seat election.
> > >>> First thing, is it possible to get a
> summary of what
> > or not
> > >>> agreed on iceland on that regard from
> those who attended
> > >>> intersessional?
> > >>>
> > >>> We also need to outline what are our
> non-negotiable points
> > >>> such as having vote, NCA participation
> and so on.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last
> week is far
> > from our
> > >>> expectations.
> > >>> There is also proposal to have a call.
> We can have it
> > by end
> > >>> of this week but we do need to be ready.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>> From: "Greg Shatan"
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> > >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>>
> > >>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
> > >>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
> > Selection Process
> > >>> To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
> > >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>>
> > >>> Cc:
> > >>>
> > >>> All,
> > >>>
> > >>> We probably need a different mailing
> list to finish
> > >>> working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
> > small
> > >>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
> > this
> > >>> is the only active mailing list with
> both sides of the
> > >>> NCPH on it.
> > >>>
> > >>> We basically have no time to work
> this out, and we've
> > >>> already started the process without knowing
> what it is
> > >>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.
> > >>>
> > >>> In addition to the adaptation of the
> CPH procedures
> > >>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
> > following
> > >>> for consideration:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Some bullet-points from an
> exchange between
> > CSG and
> > >>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
> > process.
> > >>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN
> Staff Memo with a
> > >>> revised draft timeline and some relevant
> excerpts from
> > >>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
> > >>> 3. A further excerpt from the
> Bylaws, with Section
> > >>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process
> for Seats
> > >>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
> > Bylaws), and
> > >>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
> > 11.3(f).
> > >>>
> > >>> A few thoughts and comments:
> > >>>
> > >>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both
> develop and go
> > >>> through a process that is contemplated to take 21
> > weeks
> > >>> (just to go through). Talk about building the
> > airplane
> > >>> in the air.
> > >>>
> > >>> B. At the Intersessional, we
> discussed possible
> > >>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not come
> to any
> > >>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether Staff is
> > >>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.
> > >>>
> > >>> C. If any of our groups have not
> already done so, we
> > >>> should put out a call for any other
> nominations ASAP
> > >>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the
> > >>> nomination period).
> > >>>
> > >>> D. Without making any judgments, the
> CPH process and
> > >>> the NCPH bullet-points are
> significantly different
> > when
> > >>> it comes to voting.
> > >>>
> > >>> E. We should figure out how to get
> this process
> > agreed
> > >>> as quickly as possible. Given the
> unusual
> > >>> circumstances, we don't need to use this
> process as
> > >>> precedent for any future process. We just
> need to get
> > >>> through this selection. One approach is for
> NCSG to
> > >>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the
> > >>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between
> > that and
> > >>> the bullet-points, it might just be
> better to
> > arrange a
> > >>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
> > forward.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for reading,
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg
> > >>>
> > >>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got
> here, but
> > >>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
> > Procedures
> > >>> were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws
> deadline
> > >>> for naming the Director was changed
> from one month to
> > >>> two months (briefly) and then six
> months prior to
> > being
> > >>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
> > updated in
> > >>> any event, since the Bylaws
> references are now
> > >>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points repeated this
> > error.
> > >>>
> > >>> B. Since we are doing this with very
> little time
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *Greg Shatan
> > >>> *C: 917-816-6428
> > >>> S: gsshatan
> > >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> > >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>> From: *Greg Shatan*
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> > >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>>
> > >>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
> > >>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
> > Selection Process
> > >>> To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
> > >>>
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
> > >>>
> > >>> The CSG prepared a "discussion
> draft" of a proposed
> > >>> interim Board Selection Process based closely
> on the
> > >>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted
> Parties House.
> > >>> Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing
> changes
> > >>> from the CPH document.
> > >>>
> > >>> A Google Docs version can be found
> here, where any
> > >>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest"
> mode (but
> > >>> everyone has "edit"
> > >>> rights):
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
> >
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
> > >>>
> >
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
> >
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> We would hope to use this for the
> current 2017 Board
> > >>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before
> > making it
> > >>> a permanent rather than "interim"
> process.
> > >>>
> > >>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of
> > the IPC,
> > >>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start
> the discussion on
> > >>> this basis, given the short amount of time we
> have for
> > >>> this year.
> > >>>
> > >>> We look forward to your thoughts.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional
> Teams)
> > >>>
> > >>> *Greg Shatan
> > >>> *C: 917-816-6428
> <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
> > >>> S: gsshatan
> > >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> > <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
> > >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >> Matthew Shears
> > >> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
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