[PC-NCSG] Health Identifiers Concerns/Comments - deadline tomorrow!
matthew shears
mshears
Mon Jan 23 16:59:59 EET 2017
Works for me.
On 23/01/2017 14:54, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
> Tx for all the reviews. Sentence of concern now removed. Ready for
> launch?
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 1/23/2017 3:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>> Yes. I would be OK with the statement with or without the statement
>> Rafik marked as aggressive, but it's probably better without it.
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 07:38:21AM +0000, matthew shears
>> (mshears at cdt.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Rafik's comment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/01/2017 00:54, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I read other submitted comments and there is a clear opposition to the
>>>> proposal.
>>>> I am fine with supporting the statement submission, but I made a small
>>>> comment there. I think we are clear in expressing our objection but
>>>> maybe avoiding any unnecessary perceived aggressivity.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-01-23 5:03 GMT+09:00 Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com
>>>> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> Sure Matthew, Google link now set to editing --
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2s5pTiD1aXrB3V2QZSRyqfJ720rg7epvPQnkUi7XdE/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2s5pTiD1aXrB3V2QZSRyqfJ720rg7epvPQnkUi7XdE/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2017 2:40 PM, matthew shears wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kathy - is it possible to have editing/suggesting rights.
>>>>> Thanks. Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22/01/2017 17:38, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday's PC call, I promised Tapani and you that I would
>>>>>> draft a short set of comments on the Open Public Comment:
>>>>>> /Identifier Technology Health Indicators: Definition. /Staff's
>>>>>> idea here is to assign made up "disease names" to policy issues
>>>>>> and concerns. On the PC call, Matthew Shears and I shared the
>>>>>> view that this is an utterly ridiculous proposal. Frankly, this
>>>>>> proposal is straight out of Monty Python and the Ministry of
>>>>>> Silly Walks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've drafted a one page set of comments that set forth the view
>>>>>> that the proposals is unfair and even dangerous for the
>>>>>> types of
>>>>>> issues we work on. In this comment, we are supporting the prior
>>>>>> comments of James Gannon (individual comment), John Berryhill
>>>>>> and IAB Chair Andrew Sullivan in sharing that this is a really
>>>>>> bad idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The draft comments are below and posted on Google Doc at
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2s5pTiD1aXrB3V2QZSRyqfJ720rg7epvPQnkUi7XdE/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2s5pTiD1aXrB3V2QZSRyqfJ720rg7epvPQnkUi7XdE/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Might we have your fast review and signoff so that we can
>>>>>> submit these comments by the deadline tomorrow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tapani, could you kindly add the appropriate sign off to these
>>>>>> comments once we have approval? //
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> Best, Kathy
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments to Identifier Technology Health Indicators:
>>>>>> Definition
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ithi-definition-2016-11-29-en
>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ithi-definition-2016-11-29-en>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comment periods like this one rank as a complete abuse
>>>>>> of the time of volunteers in the ICANN Community who
>>>>>> have to stop their lives to respond to them. I think we
>>>>>> should create a name for it: AbuseOfVolunteersitis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The comments below strongly support the cries of John
>>>>>> Berryhill, IAB Chair Andrew Sullivan and James
>>>>>> Gannon in
>>>>>> setting forth that sometimes a comment topic does not
>>>>>> deserve consideration and should be eliminated at the
>>>>>> start. How this slide presentation made it to the level
>>>>>> of a poorly-presented public comment is beyond the
>>>>>> understanding of those reviewing it ? we have serious
>>>>>> issues and PDPs before us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In all seriousness, let us share that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SSAC wants metric of the DNS and that is certainly
>>>>>> supportable;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUT assigning silly, strange and distorted names to
>>>>>> issues that need /careful and balanced /review,
>>>>>> consideration and evaluation is, as you have been
>>>>>> told in other comments, DANGEROUS:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. It's prejudicial ? assigning a disease name
>>>>>> to a certain situation implies it is a problem.
>>>>>> For example, DATAMALGIA (Pain from Bad Data)
>>>>>> delves into difficulties we have been exploring
>>>>>> for over 15 years: of privacy and data
>>>>>> protection protections and laws not currently
>>>>>> allowed to be implemented by Registrars, of
>>>>>> legitimate exercises of Free Expression by
>>>>>> individuals and organizations operating in
>>>>>> opposition to oppressive regimes and
>>>>>> governments
>>>>>> who would jail them for their views (or worse);
>>>>>> of students who have no phones, but do have
>>>>>> computers, Internet connections and ideas that
>>>>>> to share via domain names. This data is not a
>>>>>> disease, but a complex policy discussion and
>>>>>> concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. It's unfair ? superimposing a disease name
>>>>>> atop an area of serious research, study and
>>>>>> evaluation minimizes the problems, discourages
>>>>>> the robustness of the debate, and makes it more
>>>>>> difficult to fully evaluate and resolve the
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. It's unwise ? labeling a serious research
>>>>>> area with a silly name. It diminishes the work
>>>>>> of many years and the good faith efforts of
>>>>>> numerous task forces, working groups and
>>>>>> committees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The answer here is simple. Whoever introduced this idea
>>>>>> either was either a) new to ICANN or b) does not
>>>>>> appreciate the attention and intensity of the
>>>>>> debate. We
>>>>>> are technologists, lawyers, registration industry
>>>>>> members and other Community members who have become
>>>>>> policy makers. We look at facts, situations, data and
>>>>>> evidence. It destroy and diminishes our efforts, time
>>>>>> and discussions to label them with silly names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Overall, this is a a poorly presented comment ? you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> asked us (Commenters) to delve into a slide
>>>>>> presentation
>>>>>> for the materials that are the basis of your question.
>>>>>> The 5 disease names that have been created impose
>>>>>> prejudicial interpretations on debates within the scope
>>>>>> of ICANN, and ask us to go far beyond the boundaries of
>>>>>> ICANN. The answer is ?no.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NonCommercial Stakeholders & The Undersigned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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