[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process

Mon Feb 27 18:43:57 EET 2017

Hi,

Could someone please outline what the interview process for the 14th Board seat typically consists of? Who asks the questions, who sees the questions before they are asked, and how much time is scheduled for the interview(s) to take place?

Many thanks,

Ayden

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Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process
Local Time: 27 February 2017 2:27 PM
UTC Time: 27 February 2017 14:27
From: egmorris1 at toast.net
To: avri at acm.org <avri at acm.org>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

In terms of timeline, I'd suggest we try to get nominations in before Copenhagen and perhaps use ICANN 58 as a time to get to know the candidates better, perhaps invite them to our PC or regular SG meeting etc. Let's use the less than perfect timing to our advantage!

Ed

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From: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:06 PM
To: "avri at acm.org" <avri at acm.org>
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Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process

Hi Avri,

thanks for the suggestion,

so we have now:

- we cannot accept CSG proposal.
- we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in parallel starting (Wednesday?)

Our counter-proposal is:

* NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
* there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
* as many nominees as come forward in a week.
* 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two

* a joint interview of the top 2 before second round with the whole house.
* 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
against NOTA
* 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
our act together.
* then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
get our act together.

we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and document that.
can we get consensus this by Tuesday 12:00pm UTC and respond ot CSG?

Best,

Rafik
2017-02-24

21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org>:

some minor typo corrections

Our counter-proposal is:

* NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
* there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
* as many nominees as come forward in a week.
* 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
* 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
against NOTA
* 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
our act together.
* then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
get our act together.

On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
>
> I guess we say:
> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
> parallel starting next week Monday
> - Our counter-proposal is:
>
> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
> * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
> NOTA
> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
> get our act together.
> * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
> get our act together.
>
> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:

>
> Hi,
>
> I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
>
> - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>
> - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
> succeed.
>
> - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>
> - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>
> - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> against NOTA
>
> - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get our
> act together.
>
> - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until
> we get
> our act together.
>
> avri
>
> On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are considering/or
> > not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
> > version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
> week?
> >
> > And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
> week? or
> > two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to have the
> CSG and
> > NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree with CSG whether
> > should be nomination and/or self nomination.
> >
> > In the interim start work on the process?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
> quickly. at
> >> least covering the topic of nomination.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>
> >> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Hi Matt,
> >>
> >> thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
> topic.
> >> I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
> process
> >> and adjust the whole timeline.
> >> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates for
> >> now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
> >> don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
> >>
> >> I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to press
> >> us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which are
> >> non-negotiable with regard to the process.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>
> >> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
> >> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:

> >>
> >> Thanks Rafik
> >>
> >> Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
> with it
> >> and we are running out of time.
> >>
> >> First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
> which
> >> was not really discussed further. Then we had some general
> >> discussion about the need to do something on the Board
> >> selection process. People voiced their views on different
> >> aspects of the process and there was concern over the
> >> timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
> >> please jump in as I may have missed some important
> >> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
> >> role; I announced I was going to run. Then the CSG
> proposal
> >> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM. There seemed
> to be
> >> general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
> >>
> >> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
> process and
> >> timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so at
> >> least the initial stages of the process are underway.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
> board
> >>> seat election.
> >>> First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
> or not
> >>> agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
> >>> intersessional?
> >>>
> >>> We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable points
> >>> such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
> >>>
> >>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
> from our
> >>> expectations.
> >>> There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
> by end
> >>> of this week but we do need to be ready.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> >>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
> >>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
> Selection Process
> >>> To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>

> >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
> >>> Cc:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> We probably need a different mailing list to finish
> >>> working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
> small
> >>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
> this
> >>> is the only active mailing list with both sides of the
> >>> NCPH on it.
> >>>
> >>> We basically have no time to work this out, and we've
> >>> already started the process without knowing what it is
> >>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.
> >>>
> >>> In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
> >>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
> following
> >>> for consideration:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Some bullet-points from an exchange between
> CSG and
> >>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
> process.
> >>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with a
> >>> revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts from
> >>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
> >>> 3. A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
> >>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process for Seats
> >>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
> Bylaws), and
> >>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
> 11.3(f).
> >>>
> >>> A few thoughts and comments:
> >>>
> >>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
> >>> through a process that is contemplated to take 21
> weeks
> >>> (just to go through). Talk about building the
> airplane
> >>> in the air.
> >>>
> >>> B. At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
> >>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
> >>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether Staff is
> >>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.
> >>>
> >>> C. If any of our groups have not already done so, we
> >>> should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
> >>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the
> >>> nomination period).
> >>>
> >>> D. Without making any judgments, the CPH process and
> >>> the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
> when
> >>> it comes to voting.
> >>>
> >>> E. We should figure out how to get this process
> agreed
> >>> as quickly as possible. Given the unusual
> >>> circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
> >>> precedent for any future process. We just need to get
> >>> through this selection. One approach is for NCSG to
> >>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the
> >>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between
> that and
> >>> the bullet-points, it might just be better to
> arrange a
> >>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
> forward.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for reading,
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got here, but
> >>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
> Procedures
> >>> were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws deadline
> >>> for naming the Director was changed from one month to
> >>> two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
> being
> >>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
> updated in
> >>> any event, since the Bylaws references are now
> >>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points repeated this
> error.
> >>>
> >>> B. Since we are doing this with very little time
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Greg Shatan
> >>> *C: 917-816-6428
> >>> S: gsshatan
> >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> >>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
> >>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
> Selection Process
> >>> To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org

> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
> >>>
> >>> The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
> >>> interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
> >>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties House.
> >>> Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing changes
> >>> from the CPH document.
> >>>
> >>> A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
> >>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode (but
> >>> everyone has "edit"
> >>> rights):
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
> >>>
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
> >>>
> >>> We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
> >>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before
> making it
> >>> a permanent rather than "interim" process.
> >>>
> >>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of
> the IPC,
> >>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion on
> >>> this basis, given the short amount of time we have for
> >>> this year.
> >>>
> >>> We look forward to your thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional Teams)
> >>>
> >>> *Greg Shatan
> >>> *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
> >>> S: gsshatan
> >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
> >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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