[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: ICANN58 Data Protection Session Planning

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Feb 15 23:38:36 EET 2017


you are right, it is on Saturday


On 2017-02-15 12:33, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I don't see an RDS meeting scheduled for the Wednesday? Perhaps it is 
> on the schedule under a different name, or perhaps I have just missed 
> it? (Here is a link to the tentative schedule 
> <http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/attachments/20170214/01a86592/attachment.pdf>.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: ICANN58 Data Protection Session Planning
>> Local Time: 15 February 2017 11:55 AM
>> UTC Time: 15 February 2017 11:55
>> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>>
>> Ok so Maryam got back to me.  THey forgot it.  (how Convenient).  So 
>> do we have a preferred timeslot?  I will ask Peter....
>>
>> Steph
>>
>>
>> On 2017-02-15 00:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> I think what Farzaneh wanted to highlight is that NCSG made a 
>>> meeting request for NCSG-DPA session but you are saying that DPA 
>>> will go to RDS session instead?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-02-15 14:12 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin 
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>
>>>     Wednesday is still our day alone to use as we see fit. Chuck is
>>>     trying to get Mr Cannatucci to attend our RDS meeting on
>>>     Wednesday., I will forward that thread to you as well.  All the
>>>     other sessions are monday
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 2017-02-14 23:59, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>     Hi Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>>     We both asked Maryam to follow up on NCSG session with the UN
>>>>     special rapp. I think would be helpful that Tapani also follows
>>>>     up since it's an NCSG request and we still don't see it on the
>>>>     schedule. Did I interpret it wrong that you said Chuck was
>>>>     planning to turn that into a GNSO meeting. Is the
>>>>     wednesday session only NCSG meeting wtih the UN rapp?
>>>>
>>>>     Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>     On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         What happened is this:
>>>>
>>>>           * GAC was asked to sponsor, never got it done
>>>>           * GNSO was asked to sponsor, proposed instead to replace
>>>>             a lapsed HIT with this panel
>>>>           * Invitations went out for the opening day of the
>>>>             conference (they had to, these are busy guys)
>>>>           * IPC weighed in demanding balanced HIT style panels
>>>>             (Victoria sheckler their person on this)
>>>>           * Side meetings have apparently been arranged
>>>>           * only guy available for our meeting on Wednesday is UN
>>>>             Special Rapporteur for privacy (grateful for this, this
>>>>             is a big deal and I am trying to get his latest book
>>>>             read prior to the event
>>>>
>>>>         Last version I saw of the schedule we did not have a
>>>>         session.  You were checking on that.  Chuck Gomes was
>>>>         asking for time for the PDP on RDS but Monday is only day,
>>>>         he is trying for 8 am breakfast meeting.
>>>>
>>>>         cheers Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 2017-02-14 23:09, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>         Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>
>>>>>         Can you clarify something for me? Is this the Cross-
>>>>>         Community Discussion with Data Protection Commissioners?
>>>>>
>>>>>         If so, didn't we also submit a session request ( NCSG
>>>>>         request)? Did that turn into the above session? Where did
>>>>>         this session come from and where is NCSG session?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>         <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>         <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             I am biting my tongue on this.  As some of you heard, 
>>>>>             I raised this with Goran.  I am tempted to just slide
>>>>>             it along to him.  With of course a mention of how the
>>>>>             GAC and ICANN staff sat on this from Hyderabad until
>>>>>             mid January.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Suggestions welcome. Pissed off, am I.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Steph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>             Subject:
>>>>>             	Re: ICANN58 Data Protection Session Planning
>>>>>             Date:
>>>>>             	Tue, 14 Feb 2017 21:52:54 -0500
>>>>>             From:
>>>>>             	Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>             <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>             To:
>>>>>             	KIMPIAN Peter <Peter.KIMPIAN at coe.int>
>>>>>             <mailto:Peter.KIMPIAN at coe.int>
>>>>>             CC:
>>>>>             	Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com>
>>>>>             <mailto:vsheckler at riaa.com>, James M. Bladel
>>>>>             <jbladel at godaddy.com> <mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>,
>>>>>             kathy at kathykleiman.com <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>>>>>             <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>>>>>             <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>,
>>>>>             donna.austin at neustar.biz
>>>>>             <mailto:donna.austin at neustar.biz>
>>>>>             <donna.austin at neustar.biz>
>>>>>             <mailto:donna.austin at neustar.biz>,
>>>>>             heather.forrest at acu.edu.au
>>>>>             <mailto:heather.forrest at acu.edu.au>
>>>>>             <heather.forrest at acu.edu.au>
>>>>>             <mailto:heather.forrest at acu.edu.au>, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>             <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>>>>             <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, KWASNY
>>>>>             Sophie <Sophie.KWASNY at coe.int>
>>>>>             <mailto:Sophie.KWASNY at coe.int>, Wilson, Christopher
>>>>>             <cwilson at 21cf.com> <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com>, Tony
>>>>>             Holmes <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>
>>>>>             <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             All,
>>>>>
>>>>>             /First, apologies for the length of this message and a
>>>>>             tone that is more strident than I intend it to be.
>>>>>             Another pass through this email could smooth the rough
>>>>>             edges, but it is 2:45 am in Reykjavik and I have a
>>>>>             7:15 breakfast meeting, so my capacity is exhausted
>>>>>             (and so am I). Please read this with a friendly,
>>>>>             collegial tone in mind and indulge me  where I have
>>>>>             failed to have the tone of the text match my desire to
>>>>>             be a good working partner (and to "disagree without
>>>>>             being disagreeable") even where our perspectives may
>>>>>             differ.  (As partial explanation, my sport of choice
>>>>>             in my youth was rugby ("a ruffian's game played by
>>>>>             gentlemen"), while fencing probably would have been
>>>>>             more apropos....)/
>>>>>
>>>>>             I am quite concerned with where we are in this
>>>>>             discussion. There are either some substantial
>>>>>             misunderstandings about what this session, as a "High
>>>>>             Interest Topic", is supposed to be -- or there is an
>>>>>             apparent intent to exclude perspectives that will keep
>>>>>             this from being a celebration of data protection
>>>>>             principles.  I hope it's the former, but even that is
>>>>>             unfortunate.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Perhaps the root of the problem is combining the
>>>>>             original idea for a CoE-organized presentation with
>>>>>             the High Interest Topic (HIT) concept -- or perhaps
>>>>>             that just highlighted the inherent problem with the
>>>>>             session. HIT doesn't just refer to a level of interest
>>>>>             -- it's supposed to be a community-generated proposal
>>>>>             that is then planned and presented with
>>>>>             multistakeholder participation (and _not_ merely by
>>>>>             the proposing organization). One of the problems we
>>>>>             had with the last round of HITs was a proposal for a
>>>>>             HIT session to be planned and presented by a single
>>>>>             part of the community, largely consisting of a
>>>>>             presentation by one of its members and only minor
>>>>>             roles for any sector not sympathetic to the views of
>>>>>             this member and community group. This was inconsistent
>>>>>             with the idea that the proposing organization does not
>>>>>             control the content of a HIT session. Fortunately, the
>>>>>             original planners agreed to to expand to a more
>>>>>             diverse planning team, with the result being a more
>>>>>             diverse panel and a very lively and well-received
>>>>>             session.  When community leaders got on the phone to
>>>>>             consider this round of HITs, we wanted to avoid a
>>>>>             replay of this situation (although it ended well enough).
>>>>>
>>>>>             When this data protection session was brought to the
>>>>>             community leaders group as a late suggestion for one
>>>>>             of the HIT slots, I was concerned we might be heading
>>>>>             for a replay, so the IPC specified that one of our
>>>>>             members (Vicky) should be added to the planning group
>>>>>             (knowing that at least one other constituency shared
>>>>>             very similar concerns). Unlike the last time, where we
>>>>>             were able to get a hand on the tiller and help turn
>>>>>             the ship, I've found our attempts to be largely
>>>>>             rebuffed. This has been increasingly frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>>             I'd like to respond to some of the specific statements
>>>>>             on this thread since I last had an opportunity to respond:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Vicky wrote:
>>>>>             I don’t see here (but I am also sleep deprived) which
>>>>>             panelist will represent public safety / transparency /
>>>>>             enforcement concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Peter responded:
>>>>>             Uuhhh, if you are in US it is quite early for you…in
>>>>>             my sense usually the governments are responsible and
>>>>>             accountable for the issues you mentioned, therefore it
>>>>>             seemed to me logical that those issues will be taken
>>>>>             care by a representative of the GAC. Besides that, the
>>>>>             PSWG is a sub-group of the GAC which is deliberately
>>>>>             discussing those issues you mentioned…
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: This misses the point of Vicky's question and
>>>>>             perhaps misses a fundamental point about ICANN -- that
>>>>>             it is a multistakeholder organization and /not/ a
>>>>>             multilateral organization. Governments are not the
>>>>>             only ones concerned with investigation and enforcement
>>>>>             -- there are also significant parts of the private
>>>>>             sector deeply engaged in investigation and enforcement
>>>>>             (and not to put too fine a point on it, but IPC (my
>>>>>             group and Vicky's group) represents one of those parts
>>>>>             of the private sector).  As such, at least one voice
>>>>>             from these parts of the private sector should be
>>>>>             present on the panel. Even within governments, there
>>>>>             are parts that deal with public safety and
>>>>>             enforcement. The idea that a representative of the GAC
>>>>>             will provide this perspective seems mistaken.  As fine
>>>>>             a chair as the GAC chair is, I don't believe this is
>>>>>             his perspective, and the suggestion this would be
>>>>>             within his brief seemed based more on protocol than
>>>>>             practicality. As revealed in this thread, Ms.
>>>>>             Bauer-Bulst is the co-chair of the PSWG, so would be
>>>>>             more on point for this perspective (though apparently
>>>>>             she is not sufficiently august to appear on the panel,
>>>>>             even if she is a Deputy Head of Unit, and not merely a
>>>>>             Team Leader as was stated earlier in this exchange).
>>>>>
>>>>>             Peter replied to James Bladel in red below:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Thanks, Peter.  Looks like I did miss this at some
>>>>>                 point, so please accept my apologies for the
>>>>>                 confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Generally, I"m ok with this, but a few thoughts:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 * I'm not sure what "sponsored" by the GNSO means
>>>>>                 in this context. Maybe we could say something like
>>>>>                 "convened" or "supported" jointly by the GNSO &
>>>>>                 GAC?àthis expression was used by ICANN staff but I
>>>>>                 can only agree that those you suggested are much
>>>>>                 better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: From my point of view, this support is
>>>>>             predicated on the panel representing multiple
>>>>>             perspectives.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 * I think we need to keep the number panelists to
>>>>>                 an absolute minimum.àI agree. 3+3 should be the
>>>>>                 maximum (!).  If we strive to represent all seven
>>>>>                 GNSO SG/Cs, plus GAC, plus COE/DPAs, then this
>>>>>                 session runs the risk of becoming "Death by
>>>>>                 PowerPoint" and dosn't leave much time for Q&A. 
>>>>>                 To that end, I will let Graeme know that we are
>>>>>                 looking for a RrSG panelist, but would encourage
>>>>>                 them to reach out to Jim Galvin and see if he is
>>>>>                 comfortable representing industry generally. Or if
>>>>>                 we need another CPH person that can wear both
>>>>>                 "hats."ànot necessarily as Jim could represent it
>>>>>                 quite well, I am sure. (Being said that we would
>>>>>                 have preferred more focus on the industry itself
>>>>>                 and to the different players as they are the first
>>>>>                 level data controllers. All NCPH and GAC related
>>>>>                 groups are secondary only) But if the internal
>>>>>                 dynamic of GNSO is as such, be it, but in this
>>>>>                 case we suggest Becky Burr to be on the panel (and
>>>>>                 not being moderator).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: ICANN and the GNSO are not merely about "the
>>>>>             industry." If you wanted an industry facing program or
>>>>>             a dialogue only with "the industry", the appropriate
>>>>>             place for that would be the GDD (Global Domains
>>>>>             Division) Summit.  As the President of an "NCPH
>>>>>             related group" I can assure you that our concerns
>>>>>             about data protection and privacy are not "secondary"
>>>>>             -- at least not to us and our stakeholder community.
>>>>>             This further shows the problem of "perspectives" as
>>>>>             this panel is being planned.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 * Similarly, I think the NCPH should strive for ~2
>>>>>                 panelists. Again, I apologize if the discussions
>>>>>                 were already headed in this direction, as I have
>>>>>                 lost track of the names proposed in this thread.àI
>>>>>                 really think that if CPH has one panellist NCPH
>>>>>                 should also has to have 1 only because of the
>>>>>                 arguments expressed above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: Peter, you may not know it (or perhaps you may)
>>>>>             but the NCPH is an umbrella over two parts of the GNSO
>>>>>             -- the Commercial Stakeholder Group and the
>>>>>             Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group.  There is no valid
>>>>>             way that a single panelist could provide the sharply
>>>>>             different perspectives of these two stakeholder
>>>>>             groups.  Even having a single panelist representative
>>>>>             the different perspectives of IP stakeholders, ISPs
>>>>>             and Connectivity Providers, and the business user
>>>>>             community is a stretch (which hopefully would be
>>>>>             mitigated by Q&A).  I would say that if only panelist
>>>>>             came from the NCPH, they should come from the CSG, as
>>>>>             we would offer a more distinguishable perspective, but
>>>>>             frankly that would be unfair to the Non-Commercial
>>>>>             side of the house (which itself includes a range of
>>>>>             viewpoints), and I don't want to be unfair to the NCSG
>>>>>             and its constituencies either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 àTherefore our suggestion for the panel: Becky
>>>>>                 Burr, Thomas Schneider, Jim Galvin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: This neatly includes the contracted parties
>>>>>             (Registries and Registrars) and excluded the
>>>>>             commercial private sector represented in the NCPH.
>>>>>             This is not acceptable.  (Which is why James, as Chair
>>>>>             of the GNSO, wisely suggested 2 panelists from the NCPH.)
>>>>>
>>>>>             This description was provided by Peter:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 A community-wide event will be organised on 13
>>>>>                 March 2017 under the form of a High Interest Topic
>>>>>                 “sponsored” by the Generic Names Supporting
>>>>>                 Organization (GNSO) Council (and possibly by the
>>>>>                 Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) as well)
>>>>>                 which will enable the participation of interested
>>>>>                 ICANN communities.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: We are an interested ICANN community and we have
>>>>>             been seeking to participate and/or to have
>>>>>             participation from the
>>>>>             enforcement/cybercrime/infringement side of the
>>>>>             roster.  So far with no success.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 The session could be jointly opened by the CEO of
>>>>>                 ICANN Board and the Director of Information
>>>>>                 Society and Action against Crime of the Council of
>>>>>                 Europe. During the session the United Nations’
>>>>>                 Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy, the
>>>>>                 co-Chair of the Article 29 Working Group and the
>>>>>                 European Data Protection Supervisor together with
>>>>>                 high level representatives of registries’ group,
>>>>>                 the registrars’ group and the GAC will address in
>>>>>                 10 minutes each the above mentioned topics. During
>>>>>                 the session the involvement of the audience will
>>>>>                 be guaranteed by an open mike slot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I think during the last days, weeks we have
>>>>>                 reached an agreement on Ms Becky Burr moderating
>>>>>                 the panel and having James Galvin as
>>>>>                 representative for registries’ group (both seemed
>>>>>                 to agree on that). If we follow this logic we
>>>>>                 would need one representative from the GAC and one
>>>>>                 from registrars’ group. (We previously
>>>>>
>>>>>                 P
>>>>>                 suggested that the chair of these communities
>>>>>                 could be invited to speak under these two slots).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: Not to sound like a broken record, but this
>>>>>             emphasis on including the contracted parties to the
>>>>>             exclusion of the non-contracted parties really runs
>>>>>             counter to multistakeholder sensibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>             If the emphasis is on "high level representatives" and
>>>>>             "chairs" I would be willing to join the panel as the
>>>>>             chair of my community, though we may have better
>>>>>             candidates on substance (including Vicky, who is our
>>>>>             vice chair).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             In response to my email asking what her goals for the
>>>>>             panel were (and which stated much of what I've
>>>>>             restated above), Stephanie Perrin wrote: Peter and the
>>>>>             COE are organizing this.  I will let them explain the
>>>>>             goals.  In my personal view....data protection
>>>>>             commissioners are not present at ICANN.  The dialogue
>>>>>             has been anything but robust, although they have been
>>>>>             attempting to engage for many many years.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Vicky responded:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 It is clear we need additional perspectives to
>>>>>                 make this a robust panel. I think james is a good
>>>>>                 addition and  we also need someone with Cathrin's
>>>>>                 perspective,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Greg: We still need that perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Peter responded with COE's goals:
>>>>>
>>>>>             The panellists will be invited to exchange views on
>>>>>             the privacy and data protection implications of
>>>>>             processing of WHOIS data, third party access to
>>>>>             personal data and the issue of accountability for the
>>>>>             processing of personal data. The expected outcome of
>>>>>             the event is a better mutual understanding of the
>>>>>             underlying questions related to the protection of
>>>>>             privacy and personal data and the strengthening of an
>>>>>             open and inclusive dialogue on these issues, to be
>>>>>             carried on anytime deemed necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: We are among those "third parties" and we are
>>>>>             seeking to be included in an open and inclusive
>>>>>             dialogue, and to include the perspective of government
>>>>>             as among those "third parties" as well.  I'm not sure
>>>>>             why this has become quite so difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Prior to that Peter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             I really don’t want to hurt anybody personally, I find
>>>>>             this exchange of mails rather odd [discussion of the
>>>>>             importance of EDPS, correction of Ms. Bauer-Bulst's
>>>>>             characterization of the EDPS as a "body that advises,"
>>>>>              and the relative ranks of various potential panelists
>>>>>             removed for space]
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: I'm not sure why you find this exchange of
>>>>>             emails "rather odd", but perhaps it traces back to the
>>>>>             mismatch between a community-planned HIT and a panel
>>>>>             planned by the CoE. These emails are our attempts at
>>>>>             community planning -- again an essentially
>>>>>             multistakeholder effort.
>>>>>
>>>>>             In response to Stephanie's question to me "Who would
>>>>>             you propose?" (responding to my view that we needed a
>>>>>             panel that represented multiple perspectives), Peter
>>>>>             wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             I think we all are on the same page...therefore I
>>>>>             suggest to include Becky Burr to this panel. She was
>>>>>             recommended by other constituencies as well so if you
>>>>>             agree we can move along.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: I respect Becky immensely and already said she
>>>>>             was a great choice on many counts.  Yet, the response
>>>>>             above misses my point -- that we need perspectives
>>>>>             beyond data protection officials and "the industry."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Any more would be piling on, but I wanted to note just
>>>>>             a couple more things.  One was Peter's suggestion that
>>>>>             /The current state of preparation would imply the
>>>>>             following meetings/-/a session with the GAC
>>>>>             plenary,/-/a working lunch with the Board,/-/community
>>>>>             wide afternoon session possibly in the format of an
>>>>>             “High Interest Topic”./-/alternatively or subsequently
>>>>>             a joint meeting with GNSO Council and ccNSO Council
>>>>>             /-/bilateral meetings with NSCG, NCUC and ALAC/
>>>>>             //
>>>>>             Greg: I would suggest that a bilateral meeting with
>>>>>             the CSG (and not merely with the more /simpatico/
>>>>>             community groups) should be considered, to say the
>>>>>             least.  We would be honored to have such a meeting
>>>>>             (and we don't bite).
>>>>>
>>>>>             Peter wrote, in response to Vicky:
>>>>>             Separately, please note I anticipate having some
>>>>>             additional suggestions for consideration for this
>>>>>             panel by the end of next week.àPlease do so, but you
>>>>>             have to understand that it is rather strange that 1
>>>>>             month away of the event we don’t know who the speakers
>>>>>             would be. We have also made suggestions which we
>>>>>             believe enjoy the support of many in GNSO (and beyond)
>>>>>             fellows and follows the idea of multi-stakeholderism
>>>>>             and cover the main issues Victoria suggested us to
>>>>>             take into account including third party access to
>>>>>             data. I would recommend to consider those and come
>>>>>             back to us as quickly as you can…
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg: Given that this session was only suggested as a
>>>>>             High Interest Topic on January 23, it's not so strange
>>>>>             that we have not finalized the speakers list.  We
>>>>>             began discussing the other HIT sessions quite a bit
>>>>>             earlier.  That said, the sooner we can bring the
>>>>>             necessary people with the necessary perspectives and
>>>>>             the necessary protocol-sensitive rank (apologies for
>>>>>             our insensitivity to protocol concerns; I guess
>>>>>             Americans don't do well with rank, and one of the
>>>>>             refreshing aspects of the ICANN milieu is that rank is
>>>>>             generally absent from our considerations).
>>>>>
>>>>>             I will once again emphasize that GNSO is itself a
>>>>>             multistakeholder organization so having "the support
>>>>>             of many in GNSO" does not mean that your suggestions
>>>>>             have the support of our part of the GNSO (hence, our
>>>>>             attempts since late last month). Leaving out the
>>>>>             commercial sector does not quite follow the idea of
>>>>>             multistakeholderism....
>>>>>
>>>>>             I would love nothing more for us to resolve this to
>>>>>             our collective and individual satisfaction and move
>>>>>             on. I look forward to doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Greg Shatan
>>>>>             President
>>>>>             Intellectual Property Constituency
>>>>>
>>>>>
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