[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Thu Dec 14 07:35:42 EET 2017

Hi all,

the deadline for submission is tomorrow, Friday. there is a unresovled
comment in the document (
and I didn't see any strong objection.
with regard to Ayden question, I can add this wording:"With regard to
terminology, we would like the usage of "should" instead of "encourage" and
replace the current occurrences in order to urge related parties(registries
and registrars) to take actions for registrants benefits for implementing
IDNs", @Adyen what do you think?
if I don't hear any objection in the next 24 hours, I will submit the draft.



2017-12-11 22:35 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:

> Hi Rafik,
> Friday looks like a good solution - will go through the comment tonight.
> Thank you.
> Farz and I are working on the jurisdiction and ombudsman reports comments,
> so a note to all to stay tuned - we will share them this week probably.
> Cheers,
> Tanya
> On 10/12/17 10:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Ayden,
> Thanks for the question, it seems that when it comes to a matter related
> to technical aspects (they are using IETF terminology), "must" is often
> used while "encourage" (6 occurrences )is more for informational matter and
> urging registries to cooperate for example.  knowing how much IDNs are
> facing as problems to be implemented and not necessarily seen as a good
> business opportunity for many registrars except for some non-latin scripts,
> I would think the guidelines should be implementable and less onerous in
> order to provide registrants more choice.
> we can put a note anyway saying that we think that we prefer the term
> "shall" or "should" at least which is probably stronger "encourage".
> btw the staff is keen to give us an extension and asking when we can
> submit. I would suggest to them that we can submit by this Friday.
> Best,
> Rafik
> 2017-12-10 6:40 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>> I don't have a strong opinion on this issue or on our comment, however,
>> in the source document
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03mar17-en.pdf>,
>> the word "encourage" is used frequently. i.e. "Encourage registrars to
>> notify registrants of non-conforming registered domain names".
>> Do we think this terminology is appropriate? I prefer words like "must" -
>> they give registrants more clarity over what they can expect from
>> registrars - but I could be persuaded otherwise.
>> — Ayden
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
>> Guidelines
>> Local Time: 9 December 2017 5:37 AM
>> UTC Time: 9 December 2017 05:37
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> hi all,
>> the deadline for submission is 10th December, I will try to ask for few
>> days extension. I would like to ask you review the draft for endorsement or
>> not.
>> after that, we can focus on several public comments which deadline is
>> around 5th January.
>> Best,
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2017-12-05 0:38 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>> Dear All,
>> In October 2017, ICANN called for a second public comment on the version
>> 4.0 of IDN Guidelines. Actually, following the first round of comments most
>> of the concerns addressed by the community were taken into account.
>> Nevertheless, two questions remain open and some people here may think it
>> is useful to discuss them. Please check what we drafted
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#>
>> so far and make your suggestions, if any. Otherwise, we won't have a
>> significant comment on this report and just endorse it.
>> --
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
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