From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 06:06:02 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 13:06:02 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve
	Fund
In-Reply-To: <31685bf3-693c-5147-d58d-49314154f967@mpicc.de>
References: <1r0Y0BbTS6hVFUUQRVvS2f_rLmsQFuHJZy923y_7zZDSJihaBT_WhAL7eTP4A6TmlpFebZeW8g6Ug9sZdJEKLtv06WcN4nQegZl0WwroYxs=@ferdeline.com>
 <CAH5sThmeTe4+OtxoeNiW69RFjkY2dKT11+U2kh8UhxV64sHmSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31685bf3-693c-5147-d58d-49314154f967@mpicc.de>
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Hi all,

I don't see any objection and the draft went through consultation for a
decent period of time.
I think we can consider it as endorsed. I will submit the clean version
attached.
Thanks,

Best,

Rafik

2017-11-30 17:47 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:

> My support.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 30/11/17 00:17, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> it is time to review for endorsement the comment on Reserve fund (here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>).
> The deadline for submission is 30th Nov and the comment was for
> consultation in NCSG list for a few weeks now.
> we have 24hours to reach conclusion.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Date: 2017-11-08 20:28 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's Reserve
> Fund. The call for public comments and supporting documentation can be found
> here <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/reserve-fund-2017-10-12-en>.
> The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>.
> This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping the
> final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I welcome your
> constructive edits to the text. Thank you.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Fri Dec  1 11:45:04 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:45:04 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve
	Fund
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThm23aL4jQFbpBLYTZ8nAVRamqjznNR79h8y4xwq-y9Piw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1r0Y0BbTS6hVFUUQRVvS2f_rLmsQFuHJZy923y_7zZDSJihaBT_WhAL7eTP4A6TmlpFebZeW8g6Ug9sZdJEKLtv06WcN4nQegZl0WwroYxs=@ferdeline.com>
 <CAH5sThmeTe4+OtxoeNiW69RFjkY2dKT11+U2kh8UhxV64sHmSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31685bf3-693c-5147-d58d-49314154f967@mpicc.de>
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Message-ID: <CAEux40vXSVGwiZ0AasCo5rdFXQeCBkipqEL9FU+fU6-8jwyYsA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Rafik,

Totally agreed +1

Poncelet

On 1 December 2017 at 04:06, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I don't see any objection and the draft went through consultation for a
> decent period of time.
> I think we can consider it as endorsed. I will submit the clean version
> attached.
> Thanks,
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-30 17:47 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:
>
>> My support.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> On 30/11/17 00:17, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it is time to review for endorsement the comment on Reserve fund (here
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>).
>> The deadline for submission is 30th Nov and the comment was for
>> consultation in NCSG list for a few weeks now.
>> we have 24hours to reach conclusion.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Date: 2017-11-08 20:28 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's Reserve
>> Fund. The call for public comments and supporting documentation can be found
>> here <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/reserve-fund-2017-10-12-en>.
>> The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs here
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>.
>> This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping the
>> final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I welcome your
>> constructive edits to the text. Thank you.
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
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> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>


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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 22:34:45 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:34:45 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
In-Reply-To: <CABDXvWrF3ZzFN4nNdtNH7U5jfmY9_UTa0uDphhee4jeSjfZfTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMwQMVoDwLOFBpsbWmms1yN7-gmyt9sZMBjDMepPANSRVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMokdMw6HEwdpcyTThn-0Ud_xP3Pf1_WeOqdhZjRvAhqNaO2rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABDXvWrF3ZzFN4nNdtNH7U5jfmY9_UTa0uDphhee4jeSjfZfTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmNteUnD2P4pASBVp0zkng_5sFpYtxBY-tudThLO91oPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

If no objection in next 24 hours, I think we can accept Renata as observer
in the list.

Best,

Rafik


On Nov 29, 2017 12:19 AM, "Ars?ne Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:

Fine with Renata to join as observer

------------------------
**Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
GPG: 523644A0
*Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*

2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
<http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)

2017-11-22 8:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> please find the request from Renata as NCUC chair to join our list as an
> observer.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-11-21 14:45 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>
>
> Dear Chair
>
> Is it possible to receive PC NCSG list in observer status?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 09:04:54 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:04:54 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmNteUnD2P4pASBVp0zkng_5sFpYtxBY-tudThLO91oPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMwQMVoDwLOFBpsbWmms1yN7-gmyt9sZMBjDMepPANSRVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMokdMw6HEwdpcyTThn-0Ud_xP3Pf1_WeOqdhZjRvAhqNaO2rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABDXvWrF3ZzFN4nNdtNH7U5jfmY9_UTa0uDphhee4jeSjfZfTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmNteUnD2P4pASBVp0zkng_5sFpYtxBY-tudThLO91oPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkx1qR5eXd7WOOwAk1p2=bkza6yUnssWMND08pq_Axs1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

the deadline passed and there was no objection. I will ask  Maryam to add
Renata as an observer to PC list.

Best,

Rafik

2017-12-03 5:34 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi all.
>
> If no objection in next 24 hours, I think we can accept Renata as observer
> in the list.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 12:19 AM, "Ars?ne Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fine with Renata to join as observer
>
> ------------------------
> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
> Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> GPG: 523644A0
> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
> & Mexico
> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
> <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow
> (Mauritius
> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>
> )* - *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance -
> Internet Freedom.
>
> Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>
> 2017-11-22 8:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please find the request from Renata as NCUC chair to join our list as an
>> observer.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2017-11-21 14:45 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Dear Chair
>>
>> Is it possible to receive PC NCSG list in observer status?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Dec  9 07:37:08 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:37:08 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
	Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CADzHdxc3O13+miSvmo8tAjrUSPs3TACLqzcZbRHrxE1m_b5=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADzHdxc3O13+miSvmo8tAjrUSPs3TACLqzcZbRHrxE1m_b5=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnmCGr6RrxAhHGcwf8jLZ9dGs_P6gb5nQNSrFaAEJSryg@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

the deadline for submission is 10th December, I will try to ask for few
days extension. I would like to ask you review the draft for endorsement or
not.
after that, we can focus on several public comments which deadline is
around 5th January.

Best,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-12-05 0:38 GMT+09:00
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu


Dear All,

In October 2017, ICANN called for a second public comment on the version
4.0 of IDN Guidelines. Actually, following the first round of comments most
of the concerns addressed by the community were taken into account.
Nevertheless, two questions remain open and some people here may think it
is useful to discuss them. Please check what we drafted
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#>
so far and make your suggestions, if any. Otherwise, we won't have a
significant comment on this report and just endorse it.




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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Dec  9 23:40:17 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:40:17 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
	Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnmCGr6RrxAhHGcwf8jLZ9dGs_P6gb5nQNSrFaAEJSryg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADzHdxc3O13+miSvmo8tAjrUSPs3TACLqzcZbRHrxE1m_b5=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThnmCGr6RrxAhHGcwf8jLZ9dGs_P6gb5nQNSrFaAEJSryg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <YhfF3vAAQJgTAgZBiCaJunvEKo2oeJ-sNvDtjH1V2TFzh60tH9NH9e9AX1W9_96rH6p-tBWacq18e1HYDY_CceMzi6rVOgttgs3WmfPeeVk=@ferdeline.com>

I don't have a strong opinion on this issue or on our comment, however, in the [source document](https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03mar17-en.pdf), the word "encourage" is used frequently. i.e. "Encourage registrars to notify registrants of non-conforming registered domain names".

Do we think this terminology is appropriate? I prefer words like "must" - they give registrants more clarity over what they can expect from registrars - but I could be persuaded otherwise.

? Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
> Local Time: 9 December 2017 5:37 AM
> UTC Time: 9 December 2017 05:37
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> hi all,
>
> the deadline for submission is 10th December, I will try to ask for few days extension. I would like to ask you review the draft for endorsement or not.
> after that, we can focus on several public comments which deadline is around 5th January.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-12-05 0:38 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>
> Dear All,
>
> In October 2017, ICANN called for a second public comment on the version 4.0 of IDN Guidelines. Actually, following the first round of comments most of the concerns addressed by the community were taken into account. Nevertheless, two questions remain open and some people here may think it is useful to discuss them. Please check what we [drafted](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#) so far and make your suggestions, if any. Otherwise, we won't have a significant comment on this report and just endorse it.
>
> --
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 11:00:11 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:00:11 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
	Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <YhfF3vAAQJgTAgZBiCaJunvEKo2oeJ-sNvDtjH1V2TFzh60tH9NH9e9AX1W9_96rH6p-tBWacq18e1HYDY_CceMzi6rVOgttgs3WmfPeeVk=@ferdeline.com>
References: <CADzHdxc3O13+miSvmo8tAjrUSPs3TACLqzcZbRHrxE1m_b5=Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThnmCGr6RrxAhHGcwf8jLZ9dGs_P6gb5nQNSrFaAEJSryg@mail.gmail.com>
 <YhfF3vAAQJgTAgZBiCaJunvEKo2oeJ-sNvDtjH1V2TFzh60tH9NH9e9AX1W9_96rH6p-tBWacq18e1HYDY_CceMzi6rVOgttgs3WmfPeeVk=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=W6=nKwBLScaGePS+VbRZUz5UuWQTYg1S-+J-eTqjoAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ayden,

Thanks for the question, it seems that when it comes to a matter related to
technical aspects (they are using IETF terminology), "must" is often used
while "encourage" (6 occurrences )is more for informational matter and
urging registries to cooperate for example.  knowing how much IDNs are
facing as problems to be implemented and not necessarily seen as a good
business opportunity for many registrars except for some non-latin scripts,
I would think the guidelines should be implementable and less onerous in
order to provide registrants more choice.
we can put a note anyway saying that we think that we prefer the term
"shall" or "should" at least which is probably stronger "encourage".
btw the staff is keen to give us an extension and asking when we can
submit. I would suggest to them that we can submit by this Friday.

Best,

Rafik

2017-12-10 6:40 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> I don't have a strong opinion on this issue or on our comment, however, in
> the source document
> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03mar17-en.pdf>,
> the word "encourage" is used frequently. i.e. "Encourage registrars to
> notify registrants of non-conforming registered domain names".
>
> Do we think this terminology is appropriate? I prefer words like "must" -
> they give registrants more clarity over what they can expect from
> registrars - but I could be persuaded otherwise.
>
> ? Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
> Guidelines
> Local Time: 9 December 2017 5:37 AM
> UTC Time: 9 December 2017 05:37
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> hi all,
>
> the deadline for submission is 10th December, I will try to ask for few
> days extension. I would like to ask you review the draft for endorsement or
> not.
> after that, we can focus on several public comments which deadline is
> around 5th January.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-12-05 0:38 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> In October 2017, ICANN called for a second public comment on the version
> 4.0 of IDN Guidelines. Actually, following the first round of comments most
> of the concerns addressed by the community were taken into account.
> Nevertheless, two questions remain open and some people here may think it
> is useful to discuss them. Please check what we drafted
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#>
> so far and make your suggestions, if any. Otherwise, we won't have a
> significant comment on this report and just endorse it.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>
>
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Mon Dec 11 15:35:09 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:35:09 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
 Guidelines
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Hi Rafik,

Friday looks like a good solution - will go through the comment tonight.
Thank you.

Farz and I are working on the jurisdiction and ombudsman reports
comments, so a note to all to stay tuned - we will share them this week
probably.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 10/12/17 10:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for the question, it seems that when it comes to a matter
> related to technical aspects (they are using IETF terminology), "must"
> is often used while "encourage" (6 occurrences )is more for
> informational matter and urging registries to cooperate for example.?
> knowing how much IDNs are facing as problems to be implemented and not
> necessarily seen as a good business opportunity for many registrars
> except for some non-latin scripts, I would think the guidelines should
> be implementable and less onerous in order to provide registrants more
> choice.
> we can put a note anyway saying that we think that we prefer the term
> "shall" or "should" at least which is probably stronger "encourage".
> btw the staff is keen to give us an extension and asking when we can
> submit. I would suggest to them that we can submit by this Friday.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-12-10 6:40 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     I don't have a strong opinion on this issue or on our comment,
>     however, in the source document
>     <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03mar17-en.pdf>,
>     the word "encourage" is used frequently. i.e. "Encourage
>     registrars to notify registrants of non-conforming registered
>     domain names".
>
>     Do we think this terminology is appropriate? I prefer words like
>     "must" - they give registrants more clarity over what they can
>     expect from registrars - but I could be persuaded otherwise.
>
>     ? Ayden
>
>
>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>     Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on
>>     IDN Guidelines
>>     Local Time: 9 December 2017 5:37 AM
>>     UTC Time: 9 December 2017 05:37
>>     From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>     To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>
>>     hi all,
>>
>>     the deadline for submission is 10th December, I will try to ask
>>     for few days extension. I would like to ask you review the draft
>>     for endorsement or not.
>>     after that, we can focus on several public comments which
>>     deadline is around 5th January.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Rafik
>>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     From: *Farell Folly* <farellfolly at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>>
>>     Date: 2017-12-05 0:38 GMT+09:00
>>     Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
>>     To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>     <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>>     Dear All,
>>
>>     In October?2017, ICANN called for a second public comment on the
>>     version 4.0 of IDN Guidelines. Actually, following the first
>>     round of comments most of the concerns addressed by the community
>>     were taken into account. Nevertheless, two questions remain open
>>     and some people here may think it is useful to discuss them.
>>     Please check what we?drafted
>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#>
>>     so far and make your suggestions, if any. Otherwise, we won't
>>     have a significant comment on this report and just endorse it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Regards
>>     @__f_f__
>>     https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>     <https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf> ?
>
>
>
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 20:02:36 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:02:36 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvBwMM7+i+O8QY5NG_Q1QfaDhHQAr41pFoD+4v3yj3DPKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear PC

I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves
us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of
the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.

What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH
into it.

Best



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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 20:09:13 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:09:13 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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I like the idea!

Cheers
Mart?n


> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:02, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear PC
> 
> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos. 
> 
> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH into it.
> 
> Best 
> 
> 
> 
> Farzaneh
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Mon Dec 11 20:18:08 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:18:08 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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Hi,

My initial reaction is: I prefer doing our outreach as a stakeholder group; it gives us a full 90 minutes or so to emphasise our values and to shine to newcomers. If we do it as the GNSO, we are sharing the spotlight, have a reduced amount of time, and might have to watch our words, particularly on issues where we do not have a common position. We could get into a situation where we have to be on the defense? Plus, in reality, we do exist in silos...

However I look forward to hearing what others think on this issue.

Ayden

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 05:02, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear PC
>
> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.
>
> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH into it.
>
> Best
>
> Farzaneh
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Mon Dec 11 21:02:56 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:02:56 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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I am of two minds about this,

while I certainly agree with Ayden's arguments -- I think we might give
it a go and see how it turns out.? Many of those attending our outreach
still don't understand that we are a part of GNSO, what GNSO is doing,
how do we participate in the dynamics -- so we always still show only a
piece of the puzzle. This does create confusion especially for the
newcomers -- to show what policy is about we might want to show what
GNSO is doing as a whole, what the SGs and houses are, why are we a part
of it, how it is connected to the fact that we have a narrow mission,
how we fit a bigger picture.

So I would be in favour to give it a go. I remember before our
experiment in Copenhagen with Euralo there were also arguments that we
are sharing the prime time, but it worked well. We won't know until we try.

However, back to Ayden's arguments - if it's less than 2,5 - 3 hours
outreach, I would rather be a bit skeptic.

Cheers,

Tanya



On 11/12/17 19:18, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My initial reaction is:?I prefer doing our outreach?as a stakeholder
> group; it gives us a full 90 minutes or so to emphasise our values and
> to shine to newcomers. If we do it as the GNSO, we are sharing the
> spotlight, have a reduced amount of time,?and might have to watch our
> words, particularly on issues where we do not have a common position.
> We could get into a situation where we have to be on the defense?
> Plus, in reality,?we do exist in silos...
>
> However I look forward to hearing what others think on this issue.?
>
> Ayden?
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 05:02, farzaneh badii
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear PC
>>
>> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61,
>> saves us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the
>> dynamics of the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.?
>>
>> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk
>> CPH into it.
>>
>> Best?
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>
>
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 22:38:03 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:38:03 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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I like it because it's a different approach to try tackle a heavy concern
we have been dealing since forever without an obvious answer.
It would not only be an opportunity to tackle the silos within the gnso,
but also outside of it.
Newcomers barely understand the icann and gnso structure, much less
procedures. It will be good that, not only  the regular ngo or academics
see and listen to us, but also other stakeholders we wouldn't normally
reach. That give us both a broader outreach and improves the legitimacy of
our work.

As an experiment I am up for it. We can still do communication targeting
non commercial people for them to come and join.

Of course, I would support any way you feel is best,but if we were to
experiment on all gnso format, I am comfortable as well.

Cheers,
Martin

On 11 Dec 2017 16:03, "Dr. Tatiana Tropina" <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:

> I am of two minds about this,
>
> while I certainly agree with Ayden's arguments -- I think we might give it
> a go and see how it turns out.  Many of those attending our outreach still
> don't understand that we are a part of GNSO, what GNSO is doing, how do we
> participate in the dynamics -- so we always still show only a piece of the
> puzzle. This does create confusion especially for the newcomers -- to show
> what policy is about we might want to show what GNSO is doing as a whole,
> what the SGs and houses are, why are we a part of it, how it is connected
> to the fact that we have a narrow mission, how we fit a bigger picture.
>
> So I would be in favour to give it a go. I remember before our experiment
> in Copenhagen with Euralo there were also arguments that we are sharing the
> prime time, but it worked well. We won't know until we try.
>
> However, back to Ayden's arguments - if it's less than 2,5 - 3 hours
> outreach, I would rather be a bit skeptic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
>
>
> On 11/12/17 19:18, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My initial reaction is: I prefer doing our outreach as a stakeholder
> group; it gives us a full 90 minutes or so to emphasise our values and to
> shine to newcomers. If we do it as the GNSO, we are sharing the spotlight,
> have a reduced amount of time, and might have to watch our words,
> particularly on issues where we do not have a common position. We could get
> into a situation where we have to be on the defense? Plus, in reality, we
> do exist in silos...
>
> However I look forward to hearing what others think on this issue.
>
> Ayden
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 05:02, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear PC
>
> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves
> us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of
> the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.
>
> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH
> into it.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 23:10:59 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:10:59 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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Hi Farzaneh,

thanks for this. before jumping to conclusions, can you clarify what is the
setting here? are we talking about a standalone NCSG outreach event on a
Saturday or something similar to the morning outreach sessions like we did
in Johannesburg? the latter was clearly clashing and overlapping with the
GNSO morning briefings and we couldn't attract enough attendees. the former
clash likely with possibly some PDP WGs sessions but no council meetings
per se.

Best,

Rafik

2017-12-12 3:02 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:

> Dear PC
>
> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves
> us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of
> the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.
>
> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH
> into it.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 23:17:04 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:17:04 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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Yes as Rafik said we have PDPs scheduled all day on Saturday. I don't know
if GNSO would be willing to do a 90 minute outreach even.

This is a community forum not the policy forum so it is not the morning
sessions NCSG sessions  it is the usual outreach sessions that are held on
Saturday, (one day dedicated to outreach on Saturday). I wanted to do a
GNSO outreach. I have good reasons for it. One is that of course I don't
want us to compete with PDP sessions. The others are:

showing points of contentions to the newcomers and outsiders can actually
work well and show them what we do. The whole NCSG council members probably
won't be able to attend the stakeholder group outreach because of council
meetings. And there is NCUC and probably NPOC outreach too. I have noticed
that fellows and newcomers come from various sectors. They don't only send
us civil society NGO types. So it is better for them to understand where
their real home is. Also people have lack of knowledge about the house
structure. I have seen it even among the leaders.


Farzaneh

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:12 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Maryam just sent me the blocked schedule and it seems like Saturday, GNSO
> council is gonna have sessions all day!!!! which makes my suggestion
> absolutely pointless.  I will talk to Heather about this. We can't afford a
> three hour session at all on Saturday. I find it bizarre that GNSO has all
> day PDP meeting in parallel to outreach.
>
> I have on Sunday NCSG in-reach session which newcomers from civil society
> are welcome to join and see what we do at NCSG. I probably leave it at that.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> wrote:
>
>> I am of two minds about this,
>>
>> while I certainly agree with Ayden's arguments -- I think we might give
>> it a go and see how it turns out.  Many of those attending our outreach
>> still don't understand that we are a part of GNSO, what GNSO is doing, how
>> do we participate in the dynamics -- so we always still show only a piece
>> of the puzzle. This does create confusion especially for the newcomers --
>> to show what policy is about we might want to show what GNSO is doing as a
>> whole, what the SGs and houses are, why are we a part of it, how it is
>> connected to the fact that we have a narrow mission, how we fit a bigger
>> picture.
>>
>> So I would be in favour to give it a go. I remember before our experiment
>> in Copenhagen with Euralo there were also arguments that we are sharing the
>> prime time, but it worked well. We won't know until we try.
>>
>> However, back to Ayden's arguments - if it's less than 2,5 - 3 hours
>> outreach, I would rather be a bit skeptic.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/17 19:18, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My initial reaction is: I prefer doing our outreach as a stakeholder
>> group; it gives us a full 90 minutes or so to emphasise our values and to
>> shine to newcomers. If we do it as the GNSO, we are sharing the spotlight,
>> have a reduced amount of time, and might have to watch our words,
>> particularly on issues where we do not have a common position. We could get
>> into a situation where we have to be on the defense? Plus, in reality, we
>> do exist in silos...
>>
>> However I look forward to hearing what others think on this issue.
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 05:02, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear PC
>>
>> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves
>> us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of
>> the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.
>>
>> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH
>> into it.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 23:12:33 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:12:33 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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Maryam just sent me the blocked schedule and it seems like Saturday, GNSO
council is gonna have sessions all day!!!! which makes my suggestion
absolutely pointless.  I will talk to Heather about this. We can't afford a
three hour session at all on Saturday. I find it bizarre that GNSO has all
day PDP meeting in parallel to outreach.

I have on Sunday NCSG in-reach session which newcomers from civil society
are welcome to join and see what we do at NCSG. I probably leave it at that.

Farzaneh

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
wrote:

> I am of two minds about this,
>
> while I certainly agree with Ayden's arguments -- I think we might give it
> a go and see how it turns out.  Many of those attending our outreach still
> don't understand that we are a part of GNSO, what GNSO is doing, how do we
> participate in the dynamics -- so we always still show only a piece of the
> puzzle. This does create confusion especially for the newcomers -- to show
> what policy is about we might want to show what GNSO is doing as a whole,
> what the SGs and houses are, why are we a part of it, how it is connected
> to the fact that we have a narrow mission, how we fit a bigger picture.
>
> So I would be in favour to give it a go. I remember before our experiment
> in Copenhagen with Euralo there were also arguments that we are sharing the
> prime time, but it worked well. We won't know until we try.
>
> However, back to Ayden's arguments - if it's less than 2,5 - 3 hours
> outreach, I would rather be a bit skeptic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
>
>
> On 11/12/17 19:18, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My initial reaction is: I prefer doing our outreach as a stakeholder
> group; it gives us a full 90 minutes or so to emphasise our values and to
> shine to newcomers. If we do it as the GNSO, we are sharing the spotlight,
> have a reduced amount of time, and might have to watch our words,
> particularly on issues where we do not have a common position. We could get
> into a situation where we have to be on the defense? Plus, in reality, we
> do exist in silos...
>
> However I look forward to hearing what others think on this issue.
>
> Ayden
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 05:02, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear PC
>
> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61, saves
> us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics of
> the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.
>
> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH
> into it.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 10:45:24 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:45:24 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Outreach
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A GNSO outreach is something we should test and see how it turns out.

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2017-12-11 23:17 GMT+02:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:

> Yes as Rafik said we have PDPs scheduled all day on Saturday. I don't know
> if GNSO would be willing to do a 90 minute outreach even.
>
> This is a community forum not the policy forum so it is not the morning
> sessions NCSG sessions  it is the usual outreach sessions that are held on
> Saturday, (one day dedicated to outreach on Saturday). I wanted to do a
> GNSO outreach. I have good reasons for it. One is that of course I don't
> want us to compete with PDP sessions. The others are:
>
> showing points of contentions to the newcomers and outsiders can actually
> work well and show them what we do. The whole NCSG council members probably
> won't be able to attend the stakeholder group outreach because of council
> meetings. And there is NCUC and probably NPOC outreach too. I have noticed
> that fellows and newcomers come from various sectors. They don't only send
> us civil society NGO types. So it is better for them to understand where
> their real home is. Also people have lack of knowledge about the house
> structure. I have seen it even among the leaders.
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:12 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Maryam just sent me the blocked schedule and it seems like Saturday, GNSO
>> council is gonna have sessions all day!!!! which makes my suggestion
>> absolutely pointless.  I will talk to Heather about this. We can't afford a
>> three hour session at all on Saturday. I find it bizarre that GNSO has all
>> day PDP meeting in parallel to outreach.
>>
>> I have on Sunday NCSG in-reach session which newcomers from civil society
>> are welcome to join and see what we do at NCSG. I probably leave it at that.
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am of two minds about this,
>>>
>>> while I certainly agree with Ayden's arguments -- I think we might give
>>> it a go and see how it turns out.  Many of those attending our outreach
>>> still don't understand that we are a part of GNSO, what GNSO is doing, how
>>> do we participate in the dynamics -- so we always still show only a piece
>>> of the puzzle. This does create confusion especially for the newcomers --
>>> to show what policy is about we might want to show what GNSO is doing as a
>>> whole, what the SGs and houses are, why are we a part of it, how it is
>>> connected to the fact that we have a narrow mission, how we fit a bigger
>>> picture.
>>>
>>> So I would be in favour to give it a go. I remember before our
>>> experiment in Copenhagen with Euralo there were also arguments that we are
>>> sharing the prime time, but it worked well. We won't know until we try.
>>>
>>> However, back to Ayden's arguments - if it's less than 2,5 - 3 hours
>>> outreach, I would rather be a bit skeptic.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/17 19:18, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My initial reaction is: I prefer doing our outreach as a stakeholder
>>> group; it gives us a full 90 minutes or so to emphasise our values and to
>>> shine to newcomers. If we do it as the GNSO, we are sharing the spotlight,
>>> have a reduced amount of time, and might have to watch our words,
>>> particularly on issues where we do not have a common position. We could get
>>> into a situation where we have to be on the defense? Plus, in reality, we
>>> do exist in silos...
>>>
>>> However I look forward to hearing what others think on this issue.
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 05:02, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear PC
>>>
>>> I thought it might be better to do an outreach as GNSO in ICANN 61,
>>> saves us the clash with GNSO council meetings and shows people the dynamics
>>> of the group instead of making them understand GNSO in silos.
>>>
>>> What do you think? Heather is in favor of it and I will have to talk CPH
>>> into it.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 07:35:42 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:35:42 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
	Guidelines
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Hi all,

the deadline for submission is tomorrow, Friday. there is a unresovled
comment in the document (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#)
and I didn't see any strong objection.
with regard to Ayden question, I can add this wording:"With regard to
terminology, we would like the usage of "should" instead of "encourage" and
replace the current occurrences in order to urge related parties(registries
and registrars) to take actions for registrants benefits for implementing
IDNs", @Adyen what do you think?
if I don't hear any objection in the next 24 hours, I will submit the draft.

Best,

Rafik

2017-12-11 22:35 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:

> Hi Rafik,
>
> Friday looks like a good solution - will go through the comment tonight.
> Thank you.
>
> Farz and I are working on the jurisdiction and ombudsman reports comments,
> so a note to all to stay tuned - we will share them this week probably.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 10/12/17 10:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for the question, it seems that when it comes to a matter related
> to technical aspects (they are using IETF terminology), "must" is often
> used while "encourage" (6 occurrences )is more for informational matter and
> urging registries to cooperate for example.  knowing how much IDNs are
> facing as problems to be implemented and not necessarily seen as a good
> business opportunity for many registrars except for some non-latin scripts,
> I would think the guidelines should be implementable and less onerous in
> order to provide registrants more choice.
> we can put a note anyway saying that we think that we prefer the term
> "shall" or "should" at least which is probably stronger "encourage".
> btw the staff is keen to give us an extension and asking when we can
> submit. I would suggest to them that we can submit by this Friday.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-12-10 6:40 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> I don't have a strong opinion on this issue or on our comment, however,
>> in the source document
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03mar17-en.pdf>,
>> the word "encourage" is used frequently. i.e. "Encourage registrars to
>> notify registrants of non-conforming registered domain names".
>>
>> Do we think this terminology is appropriate? I prefer words like "must" -
>> they give registrants more clarity over what they can expect from
>> registrars - but I could be persuaded otherwise.
>>
>> ? Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN
>> Guidelines
>> Local Time: 9 December 2017 5:37 AM
>> UTC Time: 9 December 2017 05:37
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> the deadline for submission is 10th December, I will try to ask for few
>> days extension. I would like to ask you review the draft for endorsement or
>> not.
>> after that, we can focus on several public comments which deadline is
>> around 5th January.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2017-12-05 0:38 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Second Public Comment on IDN Guidelines
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> In October 2017, ICANN called for a second public comment on the version
>> 4.0 of IDN Guidelines. Actually, following the first round of comments most
>> of the concerns addressed by the community were taken into account.
>> Nevertheless, two questions remain open and some people here may think it
>> is useful to discuss them. Please check what we drafted
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6Fj41rkku6g44FkDbvmUc12MAxv99szaRz8OSmnSbE/edit#>
>> so far and make your suggestions, if any. Otherwise, we won't have a
>> significant comment on this report and just endorse it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>
>>
>>
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Thu Dec 14 14:23:25 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 07:23:25 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: Public comment on Enhancing Accountability :
	Recommendations for Diversity
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Farell has kindly started work on this comment.

I think we need to speak more to what diversity really is (I?m not sure where this idea came from that diversity is purely or primarily geographic) and how it can be better measured.

I will be looking to make some rather substantial edits to this draft, but not until after the IGF. but I raise this now because this comment needs some more work, and with the festive season soon amongst us, it seems unlikely we will be able to meet the comment deadline. Maybe we can request an extension?

Best wishes, Ayden

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Farell Folly<farellfolly at GMAIL.COM>
> Date: On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:13
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Public comment on Enhancing Accountability : Recommendations for Diversity
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> Cc:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am sending again the draft elaborated for our Public Comment on the Diversity report published by WS2 - Accountability. Please go through the materials and add your comments or suggestions in the [shared Google document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m4NHYQj9uOzS5qMU0z6ZdNhqJa7BRPOuHxJuObpewds/edit).
>
> Even though the deadline is set to be the beginning of January, this week is already ended, next one and the following will be busy for people attending IGF and then December is over. Therefore, the sooner we finalized, the better.
>
> Le lun. 4 d?c. 2017 ? 16:32, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please find in attach the first draft of our comments on the WS2 recommendations for diversity. The deadline to submit the public comment to ICANN is set on 5th of January, however; the earlier we get some comments the more we can discuss them together and produce a well-documented statement.
>>
>> Please feel to comment and make suggestions.
>> --
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>
> --
> Regards
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 14:45:13 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:45:13 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: Public comment on Enhancing Accountability :
 Recommendations for Diversity
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Hi Ayden,


Thanks,
The recommendations list several elements in diversity and not geographical
or gender, trying to go beyond that.

The public comment deadline was already extended (including other CCWG
public comments) . I am not sure we can make request a second one. I am
co-rapporteur of the diversity subgroup but have no authority regarding
deadlines management. I think one practice is to allow few days extension
by staff. Let me chek.

Best,

Rafik


On Dec 14, 2017 9:23 PM, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

Farell has kindly started work on this comment.

I think we need to speak more to what diversity really is (I?m not sure
where this idea came from that diversity is purely or primarily
geographic) and how it can be better measured.

I will be looking to make some rather substantial edits to this draft, but
not until after the IGF. but I raise this now because this comment needs
some more work, and with the festive season soon amongst us, it seems
unlikely we will be able to meet the comment deadline. Maybe we can request
an extension?

Best wishes, Ayden

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Farell Folly<farellfolly at GMAIL.COM>
Date: On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:13
Subject: Fwd: Re: Public comment on Enhancing Accountability :
Recommendations for Diversity
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Cc:
Dear all,

I am sending again the draft elaborated for our Public Comment on the
Diversity report published by WS2 - Accountability. Please go through the
materials and add your comments or suggestions in the shared Google document
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m4NHYQj9uOzS5qMU0z6ZdNhqJa7BRPOuHxJuObpewds/edit>
.

Even though the deadline is set to be the beginning of January, this week
is already ended, next one and the following will be busy for people
attending IGF and then December is over. Therefore, the sooner we
finalized, the better.

Le lun. 4 d?c. 2017 ? 16:32, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Dear all,
>
> Please find in attach the first draft of our comments on the WS2
> recommendations for diversity. The deadline to submit the public comment to
> ICANN is set on 5th of January, however; the earlier we get some comments
> the more we can discuss them together and produce a well-documented
> statement.
>
> Please feel to comment and make suggestions.
> --
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>
-- 
Regards
@__f_f__
https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf


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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 03:59:02 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:59:02 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Call for Volunteers] Proposed Incremental Changes
 to the ICANN Meetings Strategy
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkPdv8CsjLPP59J2HcpLJvmG2GQLTJL9oecGW4UvdVxOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkPdv8CsjLPP59J2HcpLJvmG2GQLTJL9oecGW4UvdVxOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkffdgssDgd2p=jVRv=1mmNchL_WnftgyXV9FHGQY3Dng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I think this is an important public comment to cover in particular for
those attending the meeting either physically or remotely. probably someone
among u should take the lead here. @Farzaneh as NCSG chair, you have
probably more insights from the discussion in the meetings planning group.
with regard to other comments, I am planning to reach all volunteers
(listed here
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017)
to get the status and from there we can see if we need to ask for an
extension for those we can submit a comment.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-12-15 10:55 GMT+09:00
Subject: [Call for Volunteers] Proposed Incremental Changes to the ICANN
Meetings Strategy
To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu" <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


hi everyone,

there is a new public consultation which was just opened regarding
incremental Changes to the ICANN Meetings Strategy https://www.icann.
org/public-comments/proposed-changes-meetings-strategy-2017-12-14-en .

the strategy has been implemented for almost 2 years now and it is good
opportunity to give input about the possible changes.

Best,

Rafik
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Fri Dec 15 11:29:14 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:29:14 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Call for Volunteers] Proposed Incremental
	Changes to the ICANN Meetings Strategy
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkffdgssDgd2p=jVRv=1mmNchL_WnftgyXV9FHGQY3Dng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkPdv8CsjLPP59J2HcpLJvmG2GQLTJL9oecGW4UvdVxOQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThkffdgssDgd2p=jVRv=1mmNchL_WnftgyXV9FHGQY3Dng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bNT5l0dVNl_eiEuydBTNXQObCGE0pVOm479X4SQMSf-0pdASDfOwZpLx4btPoK-Ec0QnEi8gsIQ26OEmq-_fNQ7iFfasdX9hniOsXhpHWBA=@ferdeline.com>

I think the staff recommendations are sensible. Extending the Policy Forum by one day would be of great relief to many of us; equally, rethinking how we use the seventh day of the AGM is a good idea. This is not a comment that should take too long to draft; it might even be a good one for a newcomer to take the pen on. I think we can meet the February deadline without needing an extension.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Call for Volunteers] Proposed Incremental Changes to the ICANN Meetings Strategy
> Local Time: 15 December 2017 1:59 AM
> UTC Time: 15 December 2017 01:59
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think this is an important public comment to cover in particular for those attending the meeting either physically or remotely. probably someone among u should take the lead here. @Farzaneh as NCSG chair, you have probably more insights from the discussion in the meetings planning group.
> with regard to other comments, I am planning to reach all volunteers (listed here https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017) to get the status and from there we can see if we need to ask for an extension for those we can submit a comment.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-12-15 10:55 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [Call for Volunteers] Proposed Incremental Changes to the ICANN Meetings Strategy
> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu" <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
> hi everyone,
>
> there is a new public consultation which was just opened regarding incremental Changes to the ICANN Meetings Strategy https://www.icann.org/public-comments/proposed-changes-meetings-strategy-2017-12-14-en .
>
> the strategy has been implemented for almost 2 years now and it is good opportunity to give input about the possible changes.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 13:01:43 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:01:43 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThknZMDr8tsfPwQ=UNctKtZB=nKhkCgaF5WSCnj8qLfCEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkP02A8OFwu4p1MJbdrJyeh_0P4kQ3sXNRL+eP7J94qdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmZV1fgYxirknjce8m+GgSx7mBDzBvqN2s6xdVMg7G7ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThknZMDr8tsfPwQ=UNctKtZB=nKhkCgaF5WSCnj8qLfCEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmna4p_nm2FzEDrS+HbtAU6yB3gu4OvMiRCfku_VEGidQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC
representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now
participate.

 We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors
joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.

Best,

Rafik
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Tue Dec 19 13:07:06 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 11:07:06 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmna4p_nm2FzEDrS+HbtAU6yB3gu4OvMiRCfku_VEGidQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkP02A8OFwu4p1MJbdrJyeh_0P4kQ3sXNRL+eP7J94qdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmZV1fgYxirknjce8m+GgSx7mBDzBvqN2s6xdVMg7G7ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThknZMDr8tsfPwQ=UNctKtZB=nKhkCgaF5WSCnj8qLfCEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmna4p_nm2FzEDrS+HbtAU6yB3gu4OvMiRCfku_VEGidQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEux40tAf_pVyrCdGcUFUu-KLJ_6jvPPEsKtbrvy6z0WAyWYgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rafik,

Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome Nick
and Farell.

Compliments of the Season

Best Regards

Poncelet

On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC
> representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now
> participate.
>
>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors
> joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>


-- 
Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
Coordinator
The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
MDI Road Kanifing South
P. O. Box 421 Banjul
The Gambia, West Africa
Tel: (220) 4370240
Fax:(220) 4390793
Cell:(220) 9912508
Skype: pons_utd






*www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
<http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
<http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.org
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From farellfolly at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 13:50:28 2017
From: farellfolly at gmail.com (Farell Folly)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:50:28 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
In-Reply-To: <CAEux40tAf_pVyrCdGcUFUu-KLJ_6jvPPEsKtbrvy6z0WAyWYgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkP02A8OFwu4p1MJbdrJyeh_0P4kQ3sXNRL+eP7J94qdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmZV1fgYxirknjce8m+GgSx7mBDzBvqN2s6xdVMg7G7ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThknZMDr8tsfPwQ=UNctKtZB=nKhkCgaF5WSCnj8qLfCEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmna4p_nm2FzEDrS+HbtAU6yB3gu4OvMiRCfku_VEGidQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEux40tAf_pVyrCdGcUFUu-KLJ_6jvPPEsKtbrvy6z0WAyWYgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADzHdxe+x0Pn311USQbxjWJVVG6u+CFGh7-+3qR=wDUzLbTt5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.

Have a good day.

Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> a ?crit :

> Dear Rafik,
>
> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome Nick
> and Farell.
>
> Compliments of the Season
>
> Best Regards
>
> Poncelet
>
> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC
>> representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now
>> participate.
>>
>>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors
>> joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
> Coordinator
> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
> MDI Road Kanifing South
> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
> The Gambia, West Africa
> Tel: (220) 4370240 <(220)%20437-0240>
> Fax:(220) 4390793 <(220)%20439-0793>
> Cell:(220) 9912508 <(220)%20991-2508>
> Skype: pons_utd
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
> <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
> <http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.org
> <http://www.npoc.org>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
> <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
-- 
Regards
@__f_f__
https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
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From lists at nickshorey.com  Wed Dec 20 15:23:00 2017
From: lists at nickshorey.com (Nick Shorey)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:23:00 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
In-Reply-To: <CADzHdxe+x0Pn311USQbxjWJVVG6u+CFGh7-+3qR=wDUzLbTt5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkP02A8OFwu4p1MJbdrJyeh_0P4kQ3sXNRL+eP7J94qdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmZV1fgYxirknjce8m+GgSx7mBDzBvqN2s6xdVMg7G7ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThknZMDr8tsfPwQ=UNctKtZB=nKhkCgaF5WSCnj8qLfCEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmna4p_nm2FzEDrS+HbtAU6yB3gu4OvMiRCfku_VEGidQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEux40tAf_pVyrCdGcUFUu-KLJ_6jvPPEsKtbrvy6z0WAyWYgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADzHdxe+x0Pn311USQbxjWJVVG6u+CFGh7-+3qR=wDUzLbTt5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <264BF14E-4995-4CFC-B692-3B56D654C4EB@nickshorey.com>

Thanks for setting me up on the list.

Do we have a shared space like Google Drive etc, where all PC documentation is stored?

Kind regards,

Nick

Nick Shorey
Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
Email: lists at nickshorey.com
Skype: nick.shorey
Twitter: @nickshorey
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
Web: www.nickshorey.com




> On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:50, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.
> 
> Have a good day.
> 
> Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm <mailto:pileleji at ymca.gm>> a ?crit :
> Dear Rafik,
> 
> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome Nick and Farell.
> 
> Compliments of the Season
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Poncelet
> 
> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now participate.
> 
>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
> Coordinator
> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
> MDI Road Kanifing South
> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
> The Gambia, West Africa
> Tel: (220) 4370240 <tel:(220)%20437-0240>
> Fax:(220) 4390793 <tel:(220)%20439-0793>
> Cell:(220) 9912508 <tel:(220)%20991-2508>
> Skype: pons_utd
> www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm/>
> http://jokkolabs.net/en/ <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>
> www.waigf.org <http://www.waigf.org/>
> www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm/>
> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>
> www.diplointernetgovernance.org <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> -- 
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf <https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf>  
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From farellfolly at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 16:28:43 2017
From: farellfolly at gmail.com (Farell Folly)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:28:43 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
In-Reply-To: <264BF14E-4995-4CFC-B692-3B56D654C4EB@nickshorey.com>
References: <CAH5sThkP02A8OFwu4p1MJbdrJyeh_0P4kQ3sXNRL+eP7J94qdA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADzHdxfG6wmOahPUfOQsbetEwPe32s3bf4yDMGMR3a-1ycdS1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Nick,

You asked me this question earlier and I forgot to get back to you, my bad.
>From what I know  all policy drafts and public comments from ncsg can be
tracked here
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017

Rafik may use a google folder where he creates all drafts and templates we
start to comment from. Otherwise, it would be a good idea to create one
shared folder.



Regards
@__f_f__
https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
________________________________
Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.

Le 20 d?c. 2017 14:22, "Nick Shorey" <lists at nickshorey.com> a ?crit :

> Thanks for setting me up on the list.
>
> Do we have a shared space like Google Drive etc, where all PC
> documentation is stored?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Shorey
> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <+44%207552%20455988>
> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
> Skype: nick.shorey
> Twitter: @nickshorey
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>
>
>
>
> On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:50, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> a
> ?crit :
>
>> Dear Rafik,
>>
>> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome
>> Nick and Farell.
>>
>> Compliments of the Season
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Poncelet
>>
>> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC
>>> representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now
>>> participate.
>>>
>>>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors
>>> joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>> Coordinator
>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
>> MDI Road Kanifing South
>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>> The Gambia, West Africa
>> Tel: (220) 4370240 <(220)%20437-0240>
>> Fax:(220) 4390793 <(220)%20439-0793>
>> Cell:(220) 9912508 <(220)%20991-2508>
>> Skype: pons_utd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm/>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
>> <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
>> <http://www.waigf.org/>www,insistglobal.com
>> <http://www.itag.gm/>www.npoc.org
>> <http://www.npoc.org/>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
>> <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> --
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 01:32:07 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:32:07 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability-WS2 - ADDITIONAL
 Extension of closing dates for public consultations
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThm0bCtsAGVkP2aMhowy2tMXr9BkvHnXbiDYZuZt6KhhDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

the deadlines for public comments for the CCWG subgroups recommendations
were extended to 14th Jan.
we have few under review currently by NCSG members like the diversity
report. some will be shared soon in coming days. Please for those who
volunteered to draft comment for NCSG to share them asap.
You can find the list of open public comments here
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-12-19 22:57 GMT+09:00
Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability-WS2 - ADDITIONAL Extension of
closing dates for public consultations
To: soac-chairs at icann.org, Accountability Cross Community <
accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Cc: Heidi Ullrich <Heidi.ullrich at icann.org>, David Olive <
david.olive at icann.org>, Robert Hoggarth <robert.hoggarth at icann.org>, Steve
Sheng <Steve.sheng at icann.org>


?
All,

Given the low number of responses to all 4 of its public consultations and
considering the upcoming end of year break the CCWG-Accountabilty WS2 it is
extending the closing date for all of these public consultations to Sunday
14 January 2018 23:59 UTC.

These four public consultations can be found at:

?       Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity ? Closes 5
January 2018


   - https://www.icann.org/public-comments/accountability-diversi
   ty-2017-10-26-en

?       Recommendations to Improve ICANN's Office of Ombudsman (IOO) ?
Closes 5 January 2018


   - https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ioo-recs-2017-11-10-en

?       Enhancing Accountability ? Recommendations for Jurisdiction ?
Closes 5 January 2018


   - https://www.icann.org/public-comments/accountability-recs-2017-11-13-en


?       Enhancing Accountability ? Recommendations and Guidelines for Staff
Accountability ? Closes 5 January 2018


   - https://www.icann.org/public-comments/recommendations-on-ica
   nn-jurisdiction-2017-11-14-en

As explained and documented since ICANN 58 the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 will
be publishing a final integrated report of all recommendations for public
comment but will only be seeking comments on the resolution of any
inconsistencies between the various individual report recommendations. As
such, the community, including all SOs and ACs, are encouraged to provide
any substantial comments they may have on the recommendations in the
individual reports during the public consultations on these individual
reports.

The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 would like to take this occasion to remind the
community that these recommendations will affect all parts of the ICANN
community directly and as such the community is strongly encouraged to take
the time to consider these and comment during the public comment period. It
is also important to note that although all comments are considered equally
that it is just as important for the community to show support for those
recommendations they agree with.

The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Co-Chairs

Thomas Rickert, Jordan Carter and Tijani Ben Jemaa

_______________________________________________
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Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
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From lists at nickshorey.com  Wed Dec 20 18:22:51 2017
From: lists at nickshorey.com (Nick Shorey)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:22:51 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
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Thanks Farell, and yes it would be great to know if we also have an internal shared space where we develop / store initial drafts etc as a PC team too?

Kind regards,

Nick

Nick Shorey
Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
Email: lists at nickshorey.com
Skype: nick.shorey
Twitter: @nickshorey
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
Web: www.nickshorey.com




> On 20 Dec 2017, at 14:28, Farell Folly <farellfolly at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hey Nick,
> 
> You asked me this question earlier and I forgot to get back to you, my bad. From what I know  all policy drafts and public comments from ncsg can be tracked here https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017 <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017> 
> 
> Rafik may use a google folder where he creates all drafts and templates we start to comment from. Otherwise, it would be a good idea to create one shared folder.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf <https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf>
> ________________________________
> Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
> 
> Le 20 d?c. 2017 14:22, "Nick Shorey" <lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>> a ?crit :
> Thanks for setting me up on the list.
> 
> Do we have a shared space like Google Drive etc, where all PC documentation is stored?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Nick
> 
> Nick Shorey
> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <tel:+44%207552%20455988>
> Email: lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>
> Skype: nick.shorey
> Twitter: @nickshorey
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin>
> Web: www.nickshorey.com <http://www.nickshorey.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:50, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.
>> 
>> Have a good day.
>> 
>> Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm <mailto:pileleji at ymca.gm>> a ?crit :
>> Dear Rafik,
>> 
>> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome Nick and Farell.
>> 
>> Compliments of the Season
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Poncelet
>> 
>> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now participate.
>> 
>>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>> Coordinator
>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
>> MDI Road Kanifing South
>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>> The Gambia, West Africa
>> Tel: (220) 4370240 <tel:(220)%20437-0240>
>> Fax:(220) 4390793 <tel:(220)%20439-0793>
>> Cell:(220) 9912508 <tel:(220)%20991-2508>
>> Skype: pons_utd
>> www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm/>
>> http://jokkolabs.net/en/ <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>
>> www.waigf.org <http://www.waigf.org/>
>> www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm/>
>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
>> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>
>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>> -- 
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf <https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 03:12:37 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:12:37 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
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Hi Nick, Farell,

Thanks for the question,
yes, we are using the wiki to put the links to all the google doc. I
usually create the google doc for volunteers or some create their own.
I will try to collect them in google drive but bear with me till it is done.

Best,

Rafik

2017-12-21 1:22 GMT+09:00 Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com>:

> Thanks Farell, and yes it would be great to know if we also have an
> internal shared space where we develop / store initial drafts etc as a PC
> team too?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Shorey
> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <+44%207552%20455988>
> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
> Skype: nick.shorey
> Twitter: @nickshorey
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>
>
>
>
> On 20 Dec 2017, at 14:28, Farell Folly <farellfolly at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hey Nick,
>
> You asked me this question earlier and I forgot to get back to you, my
> bad. From what I know  all policy drafts and public comments from ncsg can
> be tracked here https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/
> Public+Comments+-+2017
>
> Rafik may use a google folder where he creates all drafts and templates we
> start to comment from. Otherwise, it would be a good idea to create one
> shared folder.
>
>
>
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
> ________________________________
> Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
>
> Le 20 d?c. 2017 14:22, "Nick Shorey" <lists at nickshorey.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Thanks for setting me up on the list.
>>
>> Do we have a shared space like Google Drive etc, where all PC
>> documentation is stored?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Nick Shorey
>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <+44%207552%20455988>
>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
>> Skype: nick.shorey
>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:50, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>> Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>
>>> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome
>>> Nick and Farell.
>>>
>>> Compliments of the Season
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Poncelet
>>>
>>> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC
>>>> representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now
>>>> participate.
>>>>
>>>>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors
>>>> joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>>> Coordinator
>>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
>>> MDI Road Kanifing South
>>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>>> The Gambia, West Africa
>>> Tel: (220) 4370240 <(220)%20437-0240>
>>> Fax:(220) 4390793 <(220)%20439-0793>
>>> Cell:(220) 9912508 <(220)%20991-2508>
>>> Skype: pons_utd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm/>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
>>> <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
>>> <http://www.waigf.org/>www,insistglobal.com
>>> <http://www.itag.gm/>www.npoc.org
>>> <http://www.npoc.org/>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
>>> <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>>
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From lists at nickshorey.com  Thu Dec 21 13:03:14 2017
From: lists at nickshorey.com (Nick Shorey)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:03:14 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
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Thanks Rafik!

Nick

Nick Shorey
Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
Email: lists at nickshorey.com
Skype: nick.shorey
Twitter: @nickshorey
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
Web: www.nickshorey.com




> On 21 Dec 2017, at 01:12, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nick, Farell,
> 
> Thanks for the question,
> yes, we are using the wiki to put the links to all the google doc. I usually create the google doc for volunteers or some create their own.
> I will try to collect them in google drive but bear with me till it is done.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2017-12-21 1:22 GMT+09:00 Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>>:
> Thanks Farell, and yes it would be great to know if we also have an internal shared space where we develop / store initial drafts etc as a PC team too?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Nick
> 
> Nick Shorey
> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <tel:+44%207552%20455988>
> Email: lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>
> Skype: nick.shorey
> Twitter: @nickshorey
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin>
> Web: www.nickshorey.com <http://www.nickshorey.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 14:28, Farell Folly <farellfolly at GMAIL.COM <mailto:farellfolly at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Nick,
>> 
>> You asked me this question earlier and I forgot to get back to you, my bad. From what I know  all policy drafts and public comments from ncsg can be tracked here https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017 <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017> 
>> 
>> Rafik may use a google folder where he creates all drafts and templates we start to comment from. Otherwise, it would be a good idea to create one shared folder.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf <https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf>
>> ________________________________
>> Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
>> 
>> Le 20 d?c. 2017 14:22, "Nick Shorey" <lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>> a ?crit :
>> Thanks for setting me up on the list.
>> 
>> Do we have a shared space like Google Drive etc, where all PC documentation is stored?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> Nick Shorey
>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <tel:+44%207552%20455988>
>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>
>> Skype: nick.shorey
>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin>
>> Web: www.nickshorey.com <http://www.nickshorey.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:50, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.
>>> 
>>> Have a good day.
>>> 
>>> Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm <mailto:pileleji at ymca.gm>> a ?crit :
>>> Dear Rafik,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome Nick and Farell.
>>> 
>>> Compliments of the Season
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> 
>>> Poncelet
>>> 
>>> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now participate.
>>> 
>>>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>>> Coordinator
>>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
>>> MDI Road Kanifing South
>>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>>> The Gambia, West Africa
>>> Tel: (220) 4370240 <tel:(220)%20437-0240>
>>> Fax:(220) 4390793 <tel:(220)%20439-0793>
>>> Cell:(220) 9912508 <tel:(220)%20991-2508>
>>> Skype: pons_utd
>>> www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm/>
>>> http://jokkolabs.net/en/ <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>
>>> www.waigf.org <http://www.waigf.org/>
>>> www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm/>
>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
>>> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>
>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards
>>> @__f_f__
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf <https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf>  
>>> _______________________________________________
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Thu Dec 21 15:21:08 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:21:08 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
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Hi Nick, Farell-

We typically develop initial drafts of our statements on this public mailing list. If we do not, it is developed first on the NCUC or NPOC list and then taken here for a final read through. We do have the wiki (which I do not personally consider useful) and a Trello (which is public and open for anyone to view, but we do not use it all that often). There has before been the suggestion that we need a better system for tracking the progress of comments, and I think Slack would be a good system for doing that. The NCUC used to use RocketChat (basically open source Slack) and it was well-utilised, yet for some reason it was retired. This might be something we consider using again in the future.

But for now, the mailing list does work. I worry about the longevity of Google Doc links, so for archive purposes I like to download the document as a pdf and attach it to the initial message I send to this list when I first send a draft of a statement through to this list. I then do the same after significant revisions, and when we have a 'final' copy of the text.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new PC members
> Local Time: 21 December 2017 11:03 AM
> UTC Time: 21 December 2017 11:03
> From: lists at nickshorey.com
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Thanks Rafik!
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Shorey
> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
> Skype: nick.shorey
> Twitter: @nickshorey
> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>
>> On 21 Dec 2017, at 01:12, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick, Farell,
>>
>> Thanks for the question,
>> yes, we are using the wiki to put the links to all the google doc. I usually create the google doc for volunteers or some create their own.
>> I will try to collect them in google drive but bear with me till it is done.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-12-21 1:22 GMT+09:00 Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com>:
>>
>>> Thanks Farell, and yes it would be great to know if we also have an internal shared space where we develop / store initial drafts etc as a PC team too?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Nick Shorey
>>> Phone: [+44 (0) 7552 455 988](tel:+44%207552%20455988)
>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>> Web: [www.nickshorey.com](http://www.nickshorey.com/)
>>>
>>>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 14:28, Farell Folly <farellfolly at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Nick,
>>>>
>>>> You asked me this question earlier and I forgot to get back to you, my bad. From what I know  all policy drafts and public comments from ncsg can be tracked here https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
>>>>
>>>> Rafik may use a google folder where he creates all drafts and templates we start to comment from. Otherwise, it would be a good idea to create one shared folder.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> @__f_f__
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
>>>>
>>>> Le 20 d?c. 2017 14:22, "Nick Shorey" <lists at nickshorey.com> a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for setting me up on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have a shared space like Google Drive etc, where all PC documentation is stored?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick Shorey
>>>>> Phone: [+44 (0) 7552 455 988](tel:+44%207552%20455988)
>>>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
>>>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>>>> Web: [www.nickshorey.com](http://www.nickshorey.com/)
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:50, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank Rafik and Poncelet, looking forwarding to working you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le mar. 19 d?c. 2017 ? 12:07, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> a ?crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>> Thanks for letting us know the new NCUC reps on the NCSG PC.  Welcome Nick and Farell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compliments of the Season
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Poncelet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 December 2017 at 11:01, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to welcome Nick and Farell as new members of NCSG PC representing NCUC. They were just added to the mailing list and can now participate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  We should start soon  some steps for the new PC since new councillors joined and representatives appointed and/or confirmed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>>>>>>> Coordinator
>>>>>>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
>>>>>>> MDI Road Kanifing South
>>>>>>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>>>>>>> The Gambia, West Africa
>>>>>>> Tel: [(220) 4370240](tel:(220)%20437-0240)
>>>>>>> Fax:[(220) 4390793](tel:(220)%20439-0793)
>>>>>>> Cell:[(220) 9912508](tel:(220)%20991-2508)
>>>>>>> Skype: pons_utd
>>>>>>> [www.ymca.gm](http://www.ymca.gm/)
>>>>>>> http://jokkolabs.net/en/
>>>>>>> [www.waigf.org](http://www.waigf.org/)
>>>>>>> [www,insistglobal.com](http://www.itag.gm/)
>>>>>>> [www.npoc.org](http://www.npoc.org/)
>>>>>>> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
>>>>>>> [www.diplointernetgovernance.org](http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> @__f_f__
>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Fri Dec 22 17:09:22 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 10:09:22 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
Message-ID: <1EF403jZC_R7zpDIECx0l_7oJ9OJz7cF3k16V5EpIMwdi_9o8ZH6ZvFcJXTp1mmKDWiEk1qFfiy7fHWvgUQK4JhZwuoZAoh2L2MjJtZwLnk=@ferdeline.com>

We need to rapidly get this on our radar.

In this blog post, ICANN claims to have "made it a high priority to find a path forward to ensure compliance with the GDPR while maintaining WHOIS to the greatest extent possible" and is "look[ing] to settle on a compliance model by the end of January".

They indicate, "Before 15 January 2018, we want to publish for Public Comment proposed compliance models... To help us meet this deadline, please submit your feedback before 10 January 2018."

It is probably advisable that we submit some feedback here and do not miss this deadline.

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From icann at ferdeline.com  Fri Dec 22 17:11:22 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 10:11:22 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
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In my previous message, I forgot to insert a hyperlink to that blog post. Here it is: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update-plans-for-the-new-year

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
> Local Time: 22 December 2017 3:09 PM
> UTC Time: 22 December 2017 15:09
> From: icann at ferdeline.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> We need to rapidly get this on our radar.
>
> In this blog post, ICANN claims to have "made it a high priority to find a path forward to ensure compliance with the GDPR while maintaining WHOIS to the greatest extent possible" and is "look[ing] to settle on a compliance model by the end of January".
>
> They indicate, "Before 15 January 2018, we want to publish for Public Comment proposed compliance models... To help us meet this deadline, please submit your feedback before 10 January 2018."
>
> It is probably advisable that we submit some feedback here and do not miss this deadline.
>
> ?Ayden
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 09:43:52 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:43:52 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
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Hi Ayden,

Thanks for sharing this,
yes we should submit a feedback by 10th January. not really helpful to have
such announcement close to winter holidays but anyway.
If people can read the document and share some comments in coming days, it
would be possible to get a draft by early January.

Best,

Rafik

2017-12-23 0:11 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> In my previous message, I forgot to insert a hyperlink to that blog post.
> Here it is: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-
> privacy-update-plans-for-the-new-year
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
> Local Time: 22 December 2017 3:09 PM
> UTC Time: 22 December 2017 15:09
> From: icann at ferdeline.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> We need to rapidly get this on our radar.
>
> In this blog post, ICANN claims to have "made it a high priority to find a
> path forward to ensure compliance with the GDPR while maintaining WHOIS to
> the greatest extent possible" and is "look[ing] to settle on a compliance
> model by the end of January".
>
> They indicate, "Before 15 January 2018, we want to publish for Public
> Comment proposed compliance models... To help us meet this deadline, please
> submit your feedback before 10 January 2018."
>
> It is probably advisable that we submit some feedback here and do not miss
> this deadline.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Tue Dec 26 18:23:39 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 16:23:39 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkNNxQFy4vr_w71dBT0-7Cc+zqDC1m9KA9f=rRZ-bC1kw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ayden,

Good day, its holiday period I can only read and give my feedback after 5th
January, I hope its okay.

Kind Regards

Poncelet

On 25 December 2017 at 07:43, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for sharing this,
> yes we should submit a feedback by 10th January. not really helpful to
> have such announcement close to winter holidays but anyway.
> If people can read the document and share some comments in coming days, it
> would be possible to get a draft by early January.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-12-23 0:11 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> In my previous message, I forgot to insert a hyperlink to that blog post.
>> Here it is: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-priv
>> acy-update-plans-for-the-new-year
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] GDPR Model
>> Local Time: 22 December 2017 3:09 PM
>> UTC Time: 22 December 2017 15:09
>> From: icann at ferdeline.com
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> We need to rapidly get this on our radar.
>>
>> In this blog post, ICANN claims to have "made it a high priority to find
>> a path forward to ensure compliance with the GDPR while maintaining WHOIS
>> to the greatest extent possible" and is "look[ing] to settle on a
>> compliance model by the end of January".
>>
>> They indicate, "Before 15 January 2018, we want to publish for Public
>> Comment proposed compliance models... To help us meet this deadline, please
>> submit your feedback before 10 January 2018."
>>
>> It is probably advisable that we submit some feedback here and do not
>> miss this deadline.
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>


-- 
Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
Coordinator
The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
MDI Road Kanifing South
P. O. Box 421 Banjul
The Gambia, West Africa
Tel: (220) 4370240
Fax:(220) 4390793
Cell:(220) 9912508
Skype: pons_utd






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