[PC-NCSG] Intersessional

Wed Nov 23 08:39:30 EET 2016

hi,

some comments below:

2016-11-23 15:11 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:

> All,
>
> We really should try to make a decision amongst ourselves before next
> Tuesday. Things won't progress if we leave it until then and fight
> with each other as CSG and staff look at us wondering if we can ever
> decide anything.
>
>
I think other constituencies in CSG expressed different opinions and didn'
seems coordinated. so it is fine.


> No alternative is really good for everybody (or even anybody),
> we just need to agree on the least bad compromise.
>
> if we are equally unsatisfied it would be ok but that is not the case
currently.


> I tend to agree with Ed and Matt, for reasons Ed gave (adding that
> August is election time for council and NCSG), and CSG has also
> indicated they'd be willing to accept February.
>
>
I am not sure that is the case I would wait for the recordings to
double-check since new options popped-up. also April/May is an option that
we can consider.


> As far as I can tell, the main points against it are:
>
> * Too much total travel time. That is definitely true but can't be
> helped now, attaching the intersessional to either Copenhagen or
> Johannesburg is not going to happen, and there's no difference in
> total travel time whether we meet in February, April or August.
>
>
the point is not just about the travel itself which depends of the location
but the fact that is 4 or 5 extra days in addition to ICANN meetings. the
goal is to reduce the burden here.


> * Too little time to prepare. Given that we've had all year to prepare
> but haven't gotten any closer, I don't expect more time would help -
> people simply won't start doing much until the meeting is closer
> anyway, and two months really should be enough.
>
>
with holidays in the middle for many here.


> * Visa problems. As far as I can see, they would not get any easier
> later, more likely worse as the time between meetings will be shorter.
> And it may be possible to apply for visa to Denmark and Iceland at the
> same time (Denmark handles Iceland visas applications in many places),
> while that definitely doesn't isn't the case with South Africa.
>
>
that is assuming Iceland is the location and that is not something agreed
yet . so the issue of visas applications will remain open . I am really
taking this as matter of principle because the burden of visa issues is
always for the same folks and we have to mindful about this.


> * Scheduling conflicts. Again, mid-February seems to be the best
> compromise, April and August are much busier for most people.
> (For my part I could manage any of them. The only alternative I
> probably could not make is tacked on to Copenhagen, but ISPs already
> vetoed that anyway.)
>
>
April/May still in table. we also forget that mid-february is just 3 weeks
before ICANN meeting in Copenhagen. it is too close.
.

> * Weather and climate. Sure, Reykjavik as well as more or less any
> realistic alternative would be nicer in April or August, but -
> seriously? It's not like we were planning to hold meetings outdoors.
>
> no opinion for this.


> So it seems to me February would be the least bad choice.
>
> Have I missed or misunderstood something?
>
>
as I commented above , I don't think that is straightforward and we have to
weigh all options.

Can we find consensus here? Would a straw poll or the like help?
>
>
fine with polling.

Best,

Rafik

>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 03:47:24PM +0000, matthew shears (mshears at cdt.org)
> wrote:
>
> > + 1 Ed
> >
> > The Feb timeframe makes most sense.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 22/11/2016 09:19, Edward Morris wrote:
> > > Hi Tapani,
> > >
> > >
> > > > > April-May option may also still be brought up.
> > > > Any opinions of that possibility?
> > > That timing would not be good from a few perspectives.
> > >
> > > 1. We already are giving ICANN 1-2 weeks, including travel, in March
> and June for regular ICANN meetings.  March, April / May and June? That's
> just too much too close for those of us with jobs and families. Heck, it's
> too much for unemployed people without families! We are volunteers, after
> all, not paid employees.
> > >
> > > 2. On a more practical level, one of the few positive aspects of the
> intersession from my perspective has been that it allows us to organise
> ourselves. The January - February time period comes at the start of the
> year and follows some of our constituency elections and the stakeholder
> group appointment period. It has been useful to get our new EC's, as well
> > > as the SG PC,  together for the first time to plan things for the year
> ahead. Putting it in between meetings 1 and 2 of the year in months 4 or 5
> is a lot less useful for internal coordination and planning purposes than
> the earlier meeting date.
> > >
> > > 3. For this year, from a scheduling perspective,  it's horrible. The
> CCWG is scheduled to end in June. We will be under intense pressure to get
> our work done in the April through June periods. A week at an ICANN meeting
> will be a distraction from completing this important project, one that
> involves many of those who otherwise would be at the intersession. Those of
> us who are heavily involved in the CCWG would be hard pressed to attend an
> intersession at this new proposed time.
> > > > -
> > > > anybody now who'd see find it good or even acceptable?
> > > Not really.
> > >
> > > > Another point: if some of you would be interested in participating
> > > > in the planning process, meaning joining planning calls and emails,
> > > > please let me know. (Staff suggested 1-2 people per community group
> > > > would be welcome.)
> > > >
> > > I'm happy to help. If we're going to do this I'd like to try to help
> the meeting become more productive than it has been in past years.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed Morris
> > >
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