[PC-NCSG] CCT

Sat Jan 16 20:25:11 EET 2016

Calm down Ed, we are just looking at it from a different perspective, 
that of them ignoring proven consumer advocacy experience.  I agree his 
application was weak, but I doubt that his performance would be.  We 
have yet to figure out why they did not receive his material.....an 
interesting question.
I don't actually like playing the gender card, but that is just me. I do 
feel we should let Stacie hang around ICANN a while before throwing her 
in off the deep end.
cheers Steph

On 2016-01-16 13:17, Edward Morris wrote:
> I'm going to take this as a "no" to attempting to combat the BC 
> attempt to subvert the approved progress and get one of their members 
> selected on the basis of gender diversity.
> Feel free to write to Steve and Thomas and tell them they screwed up 
> ideologically in the initial selection. Good luck with that. I will 
> bluntly state that one of the problems with Jeremy's application is 
> his paperwork wasn't in order by the deadline (I don't know why: it 
> doesn't really matter) and his motivation statement was IMHO quite 
> poor in comparison to many others. Compare it to those selected, such 
> as Carlos. Were I a neutral, I would not have chosen him on the basis 
> of the quality of his application. Yes, he has the background and the 
> knowledge and the skills to be a superior CCT member. It's a shame his 
> application did not demonstrate that.
> I have no idea why anyone would respond to my initial post by saying 
> let's nominate Jeremy. My post was a specific proposal to counter the 
> BC effort. If they want to open the door to adding women to balance 
> the gender composition of the CCT I wanted a female candidate from our 
> community to be considered along with another BC candidate. Jeremy is 
> male. Frankly, I viewed our proposed letter as more of an effort to 
> block an additional CSG member from being chosen for CCT as it was an 
> effort to actually an effort to get one of ours on. Chose two women or 
> chose none.
> I'll fully support anyone who wants to write a letter to Steve and 
> Thomas suggesting that Jeremy should be added to the CCT for reasons 
> of ideological diversity or as an expert. In my view, that would be a 
> complete waste of time but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. If we do 
> nothing and the CSG gets a female member added due to diversity this 
> PC will have once again failed our membership on this entire CCT 
> selection process. So be it. I'm only 1 of 11.
> Best,
> Ed
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> *From*: "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>
> *Sent*: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:57 PM
> *To*: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
> *Subject*: Re: [PC-NCSG] CCT
> Any chance he could be added as a expert?
>
> avri
>
>
> On 16-Jan-16 12:43, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> > I think we have an excellent case for Jeremy.....show me the other
> > consumer advocates on the list. Stacy is very green to be thrown into
> > this fight if you ask me. She may be excellent but this is going to
> > be heavy hitting, I dont think it is quite fair when we have noone
> > there besides Carlos and possibly Carlton to support her.
> > Stephanie
> >
> > On 2016-01-16 4:15, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> >> I'm afraid Ed is right here: we don't have a good case for
> >> pushing Jeremy at this point, but if we advocate Stacie
> >> we might succeed in either getting her in or blocking
> >> a BC candidate.
> >>
> >> Would someone have the time to write it up?
> >>
> >> Tapani
> >>
> >> On Jan 15 16:23, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Kathy,
> >>>
> >>> What's the hook?
> >>>
> >>> Simply saying we don't like the decision won't work. The BC has come
> >>> up with diversity. It's a shame Jeremy is not female but...
> >>>
> >>> My fear is if we don't do anything the BC will get their request. If
> >>> we send another female they probably won't change anything or they
> >>> could take both. Given they have already been accused of taking too
> >>> many men...
> >>>
> >>> Do you really think there is a chance they would take another man or
> >>> that suggesting they do would stop them from saying that the BC was
> >>> correct and taking the female?
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On 15 Jan 2016, at 16:03, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we should write our own letter to get Jeremy Malcolm on CCT
> >>>> - a real consumer advocate with genuine, longtime credentials. If
> >>>> the BC can do it, we should too...
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> K
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1/15/2016 9:34 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
> >>>>> Hi everybody,
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> Sorry to bother you again.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> The BC has decided to go around the approved process and get yet
> >>>>> another commercial representative appointed to the CCT, citing
> >>>>> gender diversity. Their letter requesting special consideration is
> >>>>> attached.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> NCSG member Stacie Walsh was also nominated by two GNSO parties.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> Frankly, I'm philosophically opposed to attempts to subvert the
> >>>>> process that this letter typifies. That said, I'm mindful of our
> >>>>> responsibility to aggressively represent our members.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> Should we send ? a similar letter citing both gender
> >>>>> diversity and the lack of ideological diversity on the CCT; i.e.
> >>>>> we agree with the BC on the lack of gender diversity but believe
> >>>>> Stacie is the stronger candidate based upon the
> >>>>> underrepresentation both of the noncommercial community and the
> >>>>> lack of age diversity of selectees.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> I'm not sure who should approve /. disapprove this idea is ? it
> >>>>> the EC or PC?) but do think we need to consider it. We are
> >>>>> seriously underrepresented on the CCT, more so of this BC ploy is
> >>>>> successful.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> Ed
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> ?
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