From rafik.dammak  Tue Jun  2 14:08:26 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 20:08:26 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [urgent] NCSG comment on ICANN accountability
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

few worked to put some comments about ICANN accountability draft report
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BiKNVzlsVHUQWZ9uHW7BnM8ERA3zZshX3yhL42nk0jI/edit?usp=drive_web.
the deadline for submission is 3rd June 23:59. so we have a good chance to
make it. please review the document and help for editing and tidying up the
statement.
 for this time we just need to express support or not for the proposals, or
maybe asking for more work to be done. that will help those involved in the
CCWG.

Best,

Rafik
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From joy  Tue Jun  2 14:26:26 2015
From: joy (Joy Liddicoat)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 23:26:26 +1200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [urgent] NCSG comment on ICANN accountability
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14db405c2d0.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>

Hi Rafik - thanks for this link - in the version I open I can only see one 
comment, from Robin - are there any others that I am missing?
thanks again

Joy Liddicoat

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On 2 June 2015 11:08:41 pm Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> few worked to put some comments about ICANN accountability draft report
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BiKNVzlsVHUQWZ9uHW7BnM8ERA3zZshX3yhL42nk0jI/edit?usp=drive_web.
> the deadline for submission is 3rd June 23:59. so we have a good chance to
> make it. please review the document and help for editing and tidying up the
> statement.
>  for this time we just need to express support or not for the proposals, or
> maybe asking for more work to be done. that will help those involved in the
> CCWG.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
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From rafik.dammak  Tue Jun  2 14:27:46 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 20:27:46 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [urgent] NCSG comment on ICANN accountability
In-Reply-To: <14db405c2d0.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
References: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14db405c2d0.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkCGVfY9qSO38KGDDLQbTDNpm=Xy7pHC6ryEjCQqhVAMA@mail.gmail.com>

hi Joy,

I think some were resolved already, James and Matt made edits directly in
the document.

Best,

Rafik


2015-06-02 20:26 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>:

>   Hi Rafik - thanks for this link - in the version I open I can only see
> one comment, from Robin - are there any others that I am missing?
> thanks again
>
> Joy Liddicoat
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On 2 June 2015 11:08:41 pm Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> few worked to put some comments about ICANN accountability draft report
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BiKNVzlsVHUQWZ9uHW7BnM8ERA3zZshX3yhL42nk0jI/edit?usp=drive_web.
>> the deadline for submission is 3rd June 23:59. so we have a good chance to
>> make it. please review the document and help for editing and tidying up the
>> statement.
>>  for this time we just need to express support or not for the proposals,
>> or maybe asking for more work to be done. that will help those involved in
>> the CCWG.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>
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From mshears  Wed Jun  3 14:25:19 2015
From: mshears (Matthew Shears)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 12:25:19 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [urgent] NCSG comment on ICANN accountability
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <556EE41F.30301@cdt.org>

Thanks Rafik for the important reminder.

I have added some comments to the doc.  I encourage others to do so.

I have also tried to account for what I understand to be some of the 
differences between membership and designator concerns BUT it is 
important that those who have such concerns add/edit to the doc. If the 
text does not accurately reflect our views please adjust accordingly.  
The diversity of views should be appropriately reflected (I believe).

Matthew

On 6/2/2015 12:08 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> few worked to put some comments about ICANN accountability draft 
> report 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BiKNVzlsVHUQWZ9uHW7BnM8ERA3zZshX3yhL42nk0jI/edit?usp=drive_web. 
> the deadline for submission is 3rd June 23:59. so we have a good 
> chance to make it. please review the document and help for editing and 
> tidying up the statement.
>  for this time we just need to express support or not for the 
> proposals, or maybe asking for more work to be done. that will help 
> those involved in the CCWG.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

-- 
Matthew Shears
Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
+ 44 (0)771 247 2987

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From rafik.dammak  Wed Jun  3 14:31:28 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 20:31:28 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [urgent] NCSG comment on ICANN accountability
In-Reply-To: <556EE41F.30301@cdt.org>
References: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<556EE41F.30301@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnwsZk98HHHkbUoKi=JVTzxPDZVqO14T5JPv_mCxkQ8yw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Matt for the edits in the document. I do think we can tidy-up it
today, we still have few hours to do so.
for the diversity of the view, I guess a safe option is to ask for more
work on membership/designator model for example while we work on building
consensus and also understanding better those options?

Rafik

2015-06-03 20:25 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>:

>  Thanks Rafik for the important reminder.
>
> I have added some comments to the doc.  I encourage others to do so.
>
> I have also tried to account for what I understand to be some of the
> differences between membership and designator concerns BUT it is important
> that those who have such concerns add/edit to the doc.   If the text does
> not accurately reflect our views please adjust accordingly.  The diversity
> of views should be appropriately reflected (I believe).
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 6/2/2015 12:08 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>  few worked to put some comments about ICANN accountability draft report
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BiKNVzlsVHUQWZ9uHW7BnM8ERA3zZshX3yhL42nk0jI/edit?usp=drive_web.
> the deadline for submission is 3rd June 23:59. so we have a good chance to
> make it. please review the document and help for editing and tidying up the
> statement.
>  for this time we just need to express support or not for the proposals,
> or maybe asking for more work to be done. that will help those involved in
> the CCWG.
>
>  Best,
>
>  Rafik
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
> --
> Matthew Shears
> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)+ 44 (0)771 247 2987
>
>
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From joy  Wed Jun  3 21:58:13 2015
From: joy (Joy Liddicoat)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 06:58:13 +1200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [urgent] NCSG comment on ICANN accountability
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnwsZk98HHHkbUoKi=JVTzxPDZVqO14T5JPv_mCxkQ8yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=QisvKhu-L3X_JvPhy79c3jug5D4hnU-eDhBzCHNuv1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<556EE41F.30301@cdt.org>
	<CAH5sThnwsZk98HHHkbUoKi=JVTzxPDZVqO14T5JPv_mCxkQ8yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14dbac9b9a0.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>

Hi all - thanks so much to Matthew, Avri, Robin, James and Milton for the 
comments and inputs to this submission. I have also added some material and 
tried to tidy up last comments.
I like the approach of reflecting the diversity of NCSG views in some 
sections as well.
This submission is due in less than 5 hours - I am happy to file this on 
behalf of NCSG but to do so can I make a call for any final comments in the 
next hour please.
Thanks everyone
Joy

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On 3 June 2015 11:31:44 pm Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Matt for the edits in the document. I do think we can tidy-up it
> today, we still have few hours to do so.
> for the diversity of the view, I guess a safe option is to ask for more
> work on membership/designator model for example while we work on building
> consensus and also understanding better those options?
>
> Rafik
>
> 2015-06-03 20:25 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>:
>
> >  Thanks Rafik for the important reminder.
> >
> > I have added some comments to the doc.  I encourage others to do so.
> >
> > I have also tried to account for what I understand to be some of the
> > differences between membership and designator concerns BUT it is important
> > that those who have such concerns add/edit to the doc.   If the text does
> > not accurately reflect our views please adjust accordingly.  The diversity
> > of views should be appropriately reflected (I believe).
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 6/2/2015 12:08 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >  few worked to put some comments about ICANN accountability draft report
> > 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BiKNVzlsVHUQWZ9uHW7BnM8ERA3zZshX3yhL42nk0jI/edit?usp=drive_web.
> > the deadline for submission is 3rd June 23:59. so we have a good chance to
> > make it. please review the document and help for editing and tidying up the
> > statement.
> >  for this time we just need to express support or not for the proposals,
> > or maybe asking for more work to be done. that will help those involved in
> > the CCWG.
> >
> >  Best,
> >
> >  Rafik
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PC-NCSG mailing 
> listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Shears
> > Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> > Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)+ 44 (0)771 247 2987
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ----------
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
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From joy  Thu Jun  4 01:49:43 2015
From: joy (Joy Liddicoat)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 10:49:43 +1200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed
	Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
In-Reply-To: <14dbb9bd6b0.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
References: <e8aa0630-7f1e-4913-b1e2-a3c4769dd39b@docs-share.google.com>
	<089e01633dfaa911bb0517a4bbb8@google.com>
Message-ID: <14dbb9dab70.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>

Hi all - here is the final submissiion which I have sent just now.
Well done everyone for a great team effort on this

Joy

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From: "Joy Liddicoat (via Google Docs)" <jjliddicoat at gmail.com>
Date: 4 June 2015 10:39:27 am
Subject: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability 
Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
To: joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz

Attached: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability
Enhancements (Work Stream 1).pdf
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From joy  Thu Jun  4 07:31:17 2015
From: joy (Joy Liddicoat)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 16:31:17 +1200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed
	Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
In-Reply-To: <14dbb9dab70.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
References: <e8aa0630-7f1e-4913-b1e2-a3c4769dd39b@docs-share.google.com>
	<089e01633dfaa911bb0517a4bbb8@google.com>
	<14dbb9dab70.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
Message-ID: <14dbcd66220.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>

Hi again - just a follow up to let you know that I did send this 
submission, but I did not realise until now (some 4 hours after I submitted 
it) that I was supposed to submit a subsequent confirmation message and 
have only just done so. I apologise - I did not check my email until just now.
I will follow up and make sure tht the comment is actually accepted and 
explain my error. I will let you know if there are any problems, which 
hopefully there wil not be as the comment was sent about an hour before the 
deadline.
I am really sorry about this and will report shortly
Cheers
Joy Liddicoat

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On 4 June 2015 10:49:56 am Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi all - here is the final submissiion which I have sent just now.
> Well done everyone for a great team effort on this
>
> Joy
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> --- Forwarded message ---
> From: "Joy Liddicoat (via Google Docs)" <jjliddicoat at gmail.com>
> Date: 4 June 2015 10:39:27 am
> Subject: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability
> Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
> To: joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
>
> Attached: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability
> Enhancements (Work Stream 1).pdf
> Sent using Google Docs http://docs.google.com/
>
>
>
>
> ----------
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From joy  Thu Jun  4 07:37:33 2015
From: joy (Joy Liddicoat)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 16:37:33 +1200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed
	Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
In-Reply-To: <14dbcd66220.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
References: <e8aa0630-7f1e-4913-b1e2-a3c4769dd39b@docs-share.google.com>
	<089e01633dfaa911bb0517a4bbb8@google.com>
	<14dbb9dab70.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
	<14dbcd66220.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
Message-ID: <14dbcdc1ee0.2752.b9804b822011d28be473bf9c3189d738@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>

(bangs head) ... and I see that Rafik has submitted it - phew - thanks guys :-)

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On 4 June 2015 4:31:17 pm Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi again - just a follow up to let you know that I did send this 
> submission, but I did not realise until now (some 4 hours after I submitted 
> it) that I was supposed to submit a subsequent confirmation message and 
> have only just done so. I apologise - I did not check my email until just now.
> I will follow up and make sure tht the comment is actually accepted and 
> explain my error. I will let you know if there are any problems, which 
> hopefully there wil not be as the comment was sent about an hour before the 
> deadline.
> I am really sorry about this and will report shortly
> Cheers
> Joy Liddicoat
>
> On 4 June 2015 10:49:56 am Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Hi all - here is the final submissiion which I have sent just now.
> > Well done everyone for a great team effort on this
> >
> > Joy
> >
> > Sent with AquaMail for Android
> > http://www.aqua-mail.com
> >
> >
> > --- Forwarded message ---
> > From: "Joy Liddicoat (via Google Docs)" <jjliddicoat at gmail.com>
> > Date: 4 June 2015 10:39:27 am
> > Subject: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability
> > Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
> > To: joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
> >
> > Attached: NCSG Comment: Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability
> > Enhancements (Work Stream 1).pdf
> > Sent using Google Docs http://docs.google.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
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From rafik.dammak  Thu Jun  4 11:34:33 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 17:34:33 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Cross-Community_Working_Group_=28CCWG?=
	=?utf-8?q?=29_=E2=80=93_The_use_of_new_gTLD_auction_proceeds?=
In-Reply-To: <fb3c1b21763b46828f404b2eee8d972f@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
References: <fb3c1b21763b46828f404b2eee8d972f@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=mrgzKhJub2=tG+tA5kmK=jcW57vWVOLL8XqnYnHOoWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

update about the drafting team on auctions proceeds and when they will
start.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
Date: 2015-06-02 19:02 GMT+09:00
Subject: Cross-Community Working Group (CCWG) ? The use of new gTLD auction
proceeds
To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Cc: "jrobinson at afilias.info" <jrobinson at afilias.info>, Marika Konings <
marika.konings at icann.org>, "gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org" <
gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>




ICANN SO & AC Chairs

Steve Crocker, Chair, ICANN Board



Dear All,



*Cross-Community Working Group (CCWG) ? The use of new gTLD auction
proceeds*



I would like to follow up with you in relation to the proposed creation of
a Cross-Community Working Group (CCWG) to develop a plan for the management
and use of new gTLD auction proceeds. This follows my input during the most
recent SO/AC Chairs call.



As a reminder, as also noted in my message
<http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/new-gtld-auction-proceeds-recs-responses-19mar15-en.pdf>
of
23 April 2015, the GNSO Council reviewed the feedback received from all the
GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies as well as other Supporting
Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs). All those that responded
(ALAC, ccNSO, GAC, NRO, RSSAC and GNSO SG/Cs) expressed support for
commencing discussions on this topic, although some did indicate that they
may not formally join the initiative (CCWG) as a chartering organization.



As a result, I reached out to all of you with the request to provide
volunteers from your respective organisations in order to come together to
develop a charter for such a Cross-Community Working Group. In this regard
and specifically in order to keep the drafting team to a manageable size, I
would like to encourage you again to limit participation to one or two
volunteers per organization. As a reminder, the task of this drafting team
will be to develop a proposed charter for the CCWG, which will then be
considered for adoption by those SO/ACs that are interested to serve as a
chartering organizations. Following the experience of recent CCWGs, my
expectation is that this effort will be open to participation by *anyone*
interested; regardless of which SO/ACs decide to serve as a chartering
organization. To date, volunteers for the drafting team have come forward
from the GNSO, SSAC and W3C.



However, in order to give all of you and your respective organizations
additional time to consider this request and also recognising the busy
period we are in, I would like to propose that the drafting team does not
convene until during or after the ICANN meeting in Buenos Aires. This will
hopefully allow you to identify volunteers that may be willing to assist in
the drafting team as well as allow for some community conversations in
Buenos Aires that may help inform the drafting team deliberations. I
understand that the topic of the new gTLD auction proceeds will be covered
during the SO/AC High Interest Topics session on Monday (22 June 2015)
which will allow all of you to provide some high level input on this topic
(such as thoughts regarding process, scope, outreach and managing conflict
of interest). Furthermore, we are planning to organise a session on this
topic on Wednesday afternoon (currently scheduled for 17.00 ? 18.30 local
time). This second session is intended to provide an opportunity for the
community to be fully informed about the historic background as well as
current status of the new gTLD auction proceeds, views of the ICANN Board
on this topic as well as how other communities / organisations have dealt
with distribution and management of funds with that may help inform the
preparations for the CCWG.



Depending on the availability of drafting team members, an informal initial
get together session could be planned for Thursday (25 June 2015) in order
to allow for an initial exchange of views, taking into account the feedback
heard during the ICANN meeting, as well as a discussion of next steps
towards a proposed charter for SO/AC consideration.



If you have any questions or feedback on this proposed approach, please do
not hesitate to let me know.



Sincerely,









Jonathan Robinson

Chair, ICANN GNSO Council
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From aelsadr  Thu Jun 18 18:05:42 2015
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:05:42 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Motions for GNSO Meeting in BA
Message-ID: <FA18E1F8-752C-4129-B236-3BB4A5742E55@egyptig.org>

Hi,

I?m not going to make it to BA (plan on participating remotely), so thought I?d give a brief overview of two motions that I?ve submitted for the council meeting next Wednesday. The full list of motion (five in total) can be found here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+24+June+2015

1. GNSO Council Motion on Adoption of the GNSO Policy and Implementation Working Group Final Report and Recommendations:

I?m very much in favour of voting to adopt the recommendations in this WG?s final report (http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/policy-implementation-recommendations-01jun15-en.pdf). I was quite happy with the initial report, and since its publication for public comments, the WG has adopted all the recommended changes provided by the NCSG, except for one concerning raising the voting threshold levels to initiate one of the suggested new processes (the GNSO Guidance Process). This concern, however, was alleviated by other provisions, most importantly by not allowing for consensus policies to be developed using this process that may create new obligations beyond contractual ones for registrars/registries. The concern here was using a GGP to create new obligations on registrants that do not effect contracted parties (example: new UDRP provisions).

If anyone has any questions/concerns regarding this report or the recommendations in it, I?d be happy to discuss them on-list, or during any of the NCSG meetings in BA prior to the council meeting. I plan on participating in those remotely as well.

2. Motion on the Adoption of the GNSO Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Final Report and Recommendations

This is another PDP WG in which I personally endorse the recommendation. The chief one being made is that translation and transliteration of internationalised (not submitted in US ASCII) contact information in the WHOIS is NOT mandatory. This question could only have one of two answers being desirable or not. The PDP WG determined that it was not desirable, as it would incur great and unwarranted costs on registrars and registrants, while the justification to do so would in fact be very limited. This PDP WG did not achieve ?full consensus?, as the IPC did not agree with this final recommendation, and submitted a minority statement. The full report and recommendations can be found here: http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/gtlds/translation-transliteration-contact-final-12jun15-en.pdf

Again?, let me know if anyone has any questions/concerns on this. I?d be happy to address them.

Thanks.

Amr


From mshears  Sun Jun 21 15:35:15 2015
From: mshears (Matthew Shears)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:35:15 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] This evening's session
Message-ID: <5586AF83.9080202@cdt.org>

Hi all

I understand that we have a meeting this evening:
*Local Time:* 17:15 ? 19:15 ART
*Time Zone Converter: *http://tinyurl.com/olzpwlh
*Adobe Connect Room:* https://icann.adobeconnect.com/eze53-goldenhorn/
*Agenda: *TBC
*
*Is there an agenda yet - perhaps I have missed it.

Also, we are running into this session:

https://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/sun-iana-stewardship-accountability

Which starts at 1830 and is rather important to many of us.

Can we start our meeting earlier?

Thanks.
*
*

-- 
Matthew Shears
Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
+ 44 (0)771 247 2987

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From rafik.dammak  Sun Jun 21 15:44:37 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 21:44:37 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] This evening's session
In-Reply-To: <5586AF83.9080202@cdt.org>
References: <5586AF83.9080202@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnSh4xrOP9xnVqN+Q=YvfgAuWH0fGGmj24aF=E_BSQOKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matt,

the problems is we have a GAC-GNSO meeting ending at 5:00pm , they changed
the time for BA and our slot was pushed from usual starting time. we can
finish early.
draft agenda is :

- Introduction
- board-ncsg meeting preparation
- gnso public meeting motions
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+24+June+2015
- AOB: sees questions about auctions proceeds high level interest session
? What process should be used for deciding on how to use the new gTLD
Auction Proceeds? It has been proposed that a cross-community working group
should be formed. Is this the right approach? If not, what alternatives are
available?
? What should be the role of the ICANN Board in this process?
? What considerations should the drafting team that will be responsible for
developing the charter for the cross-community working group take into
account as it develops its draft?
? What general concepts or criteria will need to be factored in as part of
the cross-community working group deliberations?
? How to ensure broad participation and involve experts from other sectors
in the cross-community working group?
? How to deal with potential conflict of interests?

Best,

Rafik

2015-06-21 21:35 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>:

>  Hi all
>
> I understand that we have a meeting this evening:
> *Local Time:* 17:15 ? 19:15 ART
> *Time Zone Converter: *http://tinyurl.com/olzpwlh
> *Adobe Connect Room:* https://icann.adobeconnect.com/eze53-goldenhorn/
> *Agenda: *TBC
>
> Is there an agenda yet - perhaps I have missed it.
>
> Also, we are running into this session:
>
>
> https://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/sun-iana-stewardship-accountability
>
> Which starts at 1830 and is rather important to many of us.
>
> Can we start our meeting earlier?
>
> Thanks.
>
>  --
> Matthew Shears
> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)+ 44 (0)771 247 2987
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From stephanie.perrin  Sun Jun 21 19:47:01 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:47:01 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] This evening's session
In-Reply-To: <5586AF83.9080202@cdt.org>
References: <5586AF83.9080202@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <5586EA85.80506@mail.utoronto.ca>

GNSO meeting with GAC at 4-5, in San Telmo.  They are usually late, so 
making it any earlier than 5:15 is problematic for the Council members....

On 2015-06-21 9:35, Matthew Shears wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I understand that we have a meeting this evening:
> *Local Time:* 17:15 ? 19:15 ART
> *Time Zone Converter: *http://tinyurl.com/olzpwlh
> *Adobe Connect Room:* https://icann.adobeconnect.com/eze53-goldenhorn/
> *Agenda: *TBC
> *
> *Is there an agenda yet - perhaps I have missed it.
>
> Also, we are running into this session:
>
> https://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/sun-iana-stewardship-accountability
>
> Which starts at 1830 and is rather important to many of us.
>
> Can we start our meeting earlier?
>
> Thanks.
> *
> *
> -- 
> Matthew Shears
> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
> + 44 (0)771 247 2987
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From mshears  Sun Jun 21 19:48:33 2015
From: mshears (Matthew Shears)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 01:48:33 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] This evening's session
In-Reply-To: <5586EA85.80506@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <5586AF83.9080202@cdt.org>
	<5586EA85.80506@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CABAnqJPqkanHgnMSqrD4zxn=UPT1YaaJOu1NeKdu8zf8G6zX=A@mail.gmail.com>

Understood.

On Sunday, 21 June 2015, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
wrote:

>  GNSO meeting with GAC at 4-5, in San Telmo.  They are usually late, so
> making it any earlier than 5:15 is problematic for the Council members....
>
> On 2015-06-21 9:35, Matthew Shears wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I understand that we have a meeting this evening:
> *Local Time:* 17:15 ? 19:15 ART
> *Time Zone Converter: *http://tinyurl.com/olzpwlh
> *Adobe Connect Room:* https://icann.adobeconnect.com/eze53-goldenhorn/
> *Agenda: *TBC
>
> Is there an agenda yet - perhaps I have missed it.
>
> Also, we are running into this session:
>
>
> https://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/sun-iana-stewardship-accountability
>
> Which starts at 1830 and is rather important to many of us.
>
> Can we start our meeting earlier?
>
> Thanks.
>
>  --
> Matthew Shears
> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
> + 44 (0)771 247 2987
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org');>http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
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From egmorris1  Sun Jun 21 22:45:24 2015
From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:45:24 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
Message-ID: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>

HI all,

Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on
.travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to
get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit
before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.

Thanks,

Ed
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From stephanie.perrin  Sun Jun 21 22:58:05 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:58:05 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>

I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea 
that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it 
is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so 
quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about 
what it is, too vague right now....
attached in markup
Steph
On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
> HI all,
>
> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to 
> submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If 
> we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's 
> meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed

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From aelsadr  Sun Jun 21 23:12:39 2015
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 22:12:39 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <C6CB3809-DDCB-46CC-A462-2D3F872F70AD@egyptig.org>

Thanks Ed and Stephanie. I like the statement, with Stephanie?s edits. Since the PC meeting in BA is about to start, maybe it should be discussed there.

Thanks again.

Amr

On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
> attached in markup
> Steph
> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>> HI all,
>> 
>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ed
> 
> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>_______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg




From egmorris1  Sun Jun 21 23:41:02 2015
From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:41:02 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>

Thanks Stephanie!

More input welcome...

Thanks,

Ed

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> 
> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
> attached in markup
> Steph
>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>> HI all,
>> 
>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ed
> 
> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>



From robin  Sun Jun 21 23:49:40 2015
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:49:40 -0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>
Message-ID: <D08C514D-3687-495C-A795-7955B07C5649@ipjustice.org>

Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for pulling this together in time for submission.

Best,
Robin

On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:

> Thanks Stephanie!
> 
> More input welcome...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
>> attached in markup
>> Steph
>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>>> HI all,
>>> 
>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ed
>> 
>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
> 

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From dave  Sun Jun 21 23:58:30 2015
From: dave (David Cake)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:58:30 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <D08C514D-3687-495C-A795-7955B07C5649@ipjustice.org>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>
	<D08C514D-3687-495C-A795-7955B07C5649@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <DAC12450-0354-4E1B-9D95-87DE4AA5A631@difference.com.au>

Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done here is just what is needed.

Cheers

David

> On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> 
> Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for pulling this together in time for submission.
> 
> Best,
> Robin
> 
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Stephanie!
>> 
>> More input welcome...
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
>>> attached in markup
>>> Steph
>>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>> HI all,
>>>> 
>>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From mariliamaciel  Mon Jun 22 00:03:45 2015
From: mariliamaciel (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:03:45 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <DAC12450-0354-4E1B-9D95-87DE4AA5A631@difference.com.au>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>
	<D08C514D-3687-495C-A795-7955B07C5649@ipjustice.org>
	<DAC12450-0354-4E1B-9D95-87DE4AA5A631@difference.com.au>
Message-ID: <CACpVkK245FX-tBeyGWm0a1G8BN9PZruycOJC1_V+pY_SeR6Dww@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we make
clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the softening of
some language with regards to that.

Thanks
Mar?lia





On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au> wrote:

> Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done here is just
> what is needed.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
>
> > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> >
> > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for pulling this
> together in time for submission.
> >
> > Best,
> > Robin
> >
> > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Stephanie!
> >>
> >> More input welcome...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea
> that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is
> pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so
> quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about
> what it is, too vague right now....
> >>> attached in markup
> >>> Steph
> >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
> >>>> HI all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to
> submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're
> going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and
> submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PC-NCSG mailing list
> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>


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Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law
School
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From wjdrake  Mon Jun 22 00:12:04 2015
From: wjdrake (William Drake)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:12:04 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <CACpVkK245FX-tBeyGWm0a1G8BN9PZruycOJC1_V+pY_SeR6Dww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>
	<D08C514D-3687-495C-A795-7955B07C5649@ipjustice.org>
	<DAC12450-0354-4E1B-9D95-87DE4AA5A631@difference.com.au>
	<CACpVkK245FX-tBeyGWm0a1G8BN9PZruycOJC1_V+pY_SeR6Dww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E6C5C3D-8A27-47A3-A2C9-3DACE5AA0C2C@gmail.com>

I am for a bit softer, thanks

BD

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the softening of some language with regards to that.
> 
> Thanks 
> Mar?lia
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>> wrote:
> Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done here is just what is needed.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> David
> 
> > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for pulling this together in time for submission.
> >
> > Best,
> > Robin
> >
> > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Stephanie!
> >>
> >> More input welcome...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
> >>> attached in markup
> >>> Steph
> >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
> >>>> HI all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PC-NCSG mailing list
> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg <http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg <http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mar?lia Maciel
> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts <http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts>
> 
> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>
> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ <http://www.politics.org.br/>
> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en <http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en> 
> 
> <draft .travel pcsp-MM.docx>_______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From aelsadr  Mon Jun 22 00:42:00 2015
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 23:42:00 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <5E6C5C3D-8A27-47A3-A2C9-3DACE5AA0C2C@gmail.com>
References: <CAHdAZHaqqk8_2tEWET_jX3-U_LWJEN3q0VfQUc2B1ZVat6k6zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5587174D.8010303@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<2903BBAF-FE22-47A5-A2A5-4A83DFB7FD9A@toast.net>
	<D08C514D-3687-495C-A795-7955B07C5649@ipjustice.org>
	<DAC12450-0354-4E1B-9D95-87DE4AA5A631@difference.com.au>
	<CACpVkK245FX-tBeyGWm0a1G8BN9PZruycOJC1_V+pY_SeR6Dww@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E6C5C3D-8A27-47A3-A2C9-3DACE5AA0C2C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5539F88-7B54-4322-8BE0-8B62A29F2C46@egyptig.org>

Hi,

Also like Marilia?s word-smithing, and agree with her first comment. We should probably stick to process, not substance. The argument on substance should take place on a PDP WG, which we have been deprived of.

Thanks.

Amr

On Jun 21, 2015, at 11:12 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am for a bit softer, thanks
> 
> BD
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the softening of some language with regards to that.
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Mar?lia
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au> wrote:
>> Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done here is just what is needed.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for pulling this together in time for submission.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Robin
>> >
>> > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks Stephanie!
>> >>
>> >> More input welcome...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
>> >>> attached in markup
>> >>> Steph
>> >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>> >>>> HI all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ed
>> >>>
>> >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > PC-NCSG mailing list
>> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mar?lia Maciel
>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>> 
>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu
>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/
>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en 
>> 
>> <draft .travel pcsp-MM.docx>_______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg




From egmorris1  Mon Jun 22 15:20:40 2015
From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:20:40 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Public Comment on Reviews Schedule
References: <D1AD7DC7.1B7E3%grace.abuhamad@icann.org>
Message-ID: <512F4765-4493-4C68-9313-66865D76CAAE@toast.net>

Hi everyone,

I'm passing on this message from Grace in the hope we could generate a few personal comments on this issue. James has kindly volunteered to do the NCSG comment - thanks James!

I'll note that those willing to make a comment have the option of using a "fill in the blank" template in doing so.  I'm going to do so: I'm not sure I like the concept but I want to give it a shot before condemning it. :)

Thanks for considering,

Ed

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>
> Date: June 22, 2015 at 8:54:36 AM GMT-3
> To: "egmorris1 at toast.net" <egmorris1 at toast.net>
> Subject: Public Comment on Reviews Schedule
> 
> Hi Edward, 
> 
> Thank you for your kind words yesterday. In a service-oriented organization, it?s always good to know that our stakeholders are satisfied with our work. 
> 
> I mentioned the open public comment on the Reviews. If you can pass this along and encourage some folks to submit to this public comment, this will be really helpful. It?s important because, most of all, the review schedule affects the volunteers? workload. I?ll let you make your own determination on this of course, but any feedback will be helpful to the public comment process. Also, there is a public session on Wednesday that will help introduce the public comment and answer some questions that you may already have. I?ve included the information for both below:  
> 
> Public session at ICANN53 AoC and Organizational Reviews: Supporting ICANN Accountability
> ?         Wed, 24 June 2015 - 10:30 to 12:00 ART; Room: Libertador AB
> ?         Session overview:  Reviews make an important contribution to supporting ICANN accountability. During this session, we will cover Reviews defined by the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC) and Organizational Reviews, mandated by ICANN's Bylaws. Topics will include: proposed schedule for upcoming reviews, proposed process and operational improvements to enhance efficiency and effectiveness of reviews, implementation status of recommendations from the Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT2), the Security, Stability & Resiliency of the DNS Review (SSR) and the "WHOIS Policy" Review (WHOIS).
>  
> Public Comment pertaining to Proposed Schedule and Process/Operational Improvements for AoC and Organizational Reviews.
> ?         Public comments period closes 2 July.
> ?         The purpose of this Public Comment posting:  to request community feedback on a proposed schedule and process, including operational improvements, for Reviews mandated by the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC Reviews) and the ICANN Bylaws (Organizational Reviews). The request for the community is based on both appreciating the community's workload and the timing of several Reviews in FY2016.
>  
> 
> Thank you, 
> Grace
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From robin  Mon Jun 22 15:37:38 2015
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 05:37:38 -0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd:  .Travel public comment
References: <5587F053.3030103@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <8046E3B7-CAB5-46A3-A054-211E651957CA@ipjustice.org>

Kathy, I'm just seeing this now and forwarding it on.

Thank you!
Robin

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment
> Date: June 22, 2015 4:24:03 AM PDT
> To: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au>
> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org" <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
> 
> Hi All,
> My email to the PC will bounce so if someone could forward this to the group, I would appreciate it.  
> 
> Great comment!!! Tx Stephanie and Ed, and Marilia! 
> 
> To Marilia's version, I added additions to paragraph 3 and a new short paragraph 4 about the STI - Special Trademarks Initiative group the rewrote the URS. It was the STI's recommendations and its URS rules and URS limitations that the GNSO Council adopted only and explicitly for New gTLDs (and with very express reasons for that limitation), so I can't understand how ICANN staff can shove URS into legacy gTLDs.
> 
> Hopefully shown in "Track Changes."
> Best,
> Kathy
> :
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the softening of some language with regards to that.
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Mar?lia
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au> wrote:
>> Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done here is just what is needed.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for pulling this together in time for submission.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Robin
>> >
>> > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks Stephanie!
>> >>
>> >> More input welcome...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title should have something in there about what it is, too vague right now....
>> >>> attached in markup
>> >>> Steph
>> >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>> >>>> HI all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m. Argentina time tonight.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ed
>> >>>
>> >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > PC-NCSG mailing list
>> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mar?lia Maciel
>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>> 
>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu
>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/
>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en 
>> 
> 

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From avri  Mon Jun 22 17:41:44 2015
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:41:44 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd:  .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <8046E3B7-CAB5-46A3-A054-211E651957CA@ipjustice.org>
References: <5587F053.3030103@kathykleiman.com>
	<8046E3B7-CAB5-46A3-A054-211E651957CA@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <55881EA8.4010205@acm.org>

Hi,

Why aren't we demanding that the whole issue of URS be subjected to PDP.
In fact we could submit an issue report request for a PDP on the URS.

One can accept an implementation solution as something temporary until
such time as it can undergo a PDP.  But it is time.  Especially given
the talk we heard this morning about the threat of  URS-T, aka UDRP -ez.

avri


On 22-Jun-15 09:37, Robin Gross wrote:
> Kathy, I'm just seeing this now and forwarding it on.
>
> Thank you!
> Robin
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com
>> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>
>> *Subject: **Re: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment*
>> *Date: *June 22, 2015 4:24:03 AM PDT
>> *To: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>
>> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>,
>> "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>"
>> <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> My email to the PC will bounce so if someone could forward this to
>> the group, I would appreciate it. 
>>
>> Great comment!!! Tx Stephanie and Ed, and Marilia!
>>
>> To Marilia's version, I added additions to paragraph 3 and a new
>> short paragraph 4 about the STI - Special Trademarks Initiative group
>> the rewrote the URS. It was the STI's recommendations and its URS
>> rules and URS limitations that the GNSO Council adopted only and
>> explicitly for New gTLDs (and with very express reasons for that
>> limitation), so I can't understand how ICANN staff can shove URS into
>> legacy gTLDs.
>>
>> Hopefully shown in "Track Changes."
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>> :
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we
>>> make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the
>>> softening of some language with regards to that.
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>> Mar?lia
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done
>>>     here is just what is needed.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     David
>>>
>>>     > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for
>>>     pulling this together in time for submission.
>>>     >
>>>     > Best,
>>>     > Robin
>>>     >
>>>     > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >> Thanks Stephanie!
>>>     >>
>>>     >> More input welcome...
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Thanks,
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Ed
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>     >>
>>>     >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board
>>>     the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff
>>>     free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and
>>>     thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title
>>>     should have something in there about what it is, too vague right
>>>     now....
>>>     >>> attached in markup
>>>     >>> Steph
>>>     >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>     >>>> HI all,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for
>>>     NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make
>>>     better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to
>>>     approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m.
>>>     Argentina time tonight.
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Thanks,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Ed
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>>>     >>
>>>     >
>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>     > PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>     > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>     > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>     PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>     http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> *Mar?lia Maciel*
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV
>>> Direito Rio
>>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV
>>> Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu
>>> <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>
>>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/
>>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the
>>> Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en 
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg


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From lanfran  Mon Jun 22 17:45:03 2015
From: lanfran (Sam Lanfranco)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:45:03 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd:  .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <8046E3B7-CAB5-46A3-A054-211E651957CA@ipjustice.org>
References: <5587F053.3030103@kathykleiman.com>
	<8046E3B7-CAB5-46A3-A054-211E651957CA@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <55881F6F.3090104@yorku.ca>

I think this has the right mix of stern and soft as it now stands and I 
endorse it.
(/tec point: is there some residual textual garbage on page 5?/)

Sam

On 2015-06-22 9:37 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Kathy, I'm just seeing this now and forwarding it on.
>
> Thank you!
> Robin
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com 
>> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>
>> *Subject: **Re: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment*
>> *Date: *June 22, 2015 4:24:03 AM PDT
>> *To: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au 
>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>
>> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>, 
>> "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>" 
>> <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> My email to the PC will bounce so if someone could forward this to 
>> the group, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Great comment!!! Tx Stephanie and Ed, and Marilia!
>>
>> To Marilia's version, I added additions to paragraph 3 and a new 
>> short paragraph 4 about the STI - Special Trademarks Initiative group 
>> the rewrote the URS. It was the STI's recommendations and its URS 
>> rules and URS limitations that the GNSO Council adopted only and 
>> explicitly for New gTLDs (and with very express reasons for that 
>> limitation), so I can't understand how ICANN staff can shove URS into 
>> legacy gTLDs.
>>
>> Hopefully shown in "Track Changes."
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>> :
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we 
>>> make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the 
>>> softening of some language with regards to that.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Mar?lia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au 
>>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done
>>>     here is just what is needed.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     David
>>>
>>>     > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for
>>>     pulling this together in time for submission.
>>>     >
>>>     > Best,
>>>     > Robin
>>>     >
>>>     > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >> Thanks Stephanie!
>>>     >>
>>>     >> More input welcome...
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Thanks,
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Ed
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>     >>
>>>     >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board
>>>     the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff
>>>     free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and
>>>     thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title
>>>     should have something in there about what it is, too vague right
>>>     now....
>>>     >>> attached in markup
>>>     >>> Steph
>>>     >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>     >>>> HI all,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for
>>>     NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make
>>>     better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to
>>>     approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m.
>>>     Argentina time tonight.
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Thanks,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Ed
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>>>     >>
>>>     >
>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>     > PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>     > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>     > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>     PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>     http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV 
>>> Direito Rio
>>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV 
>>> Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu 
>>> <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>
>>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/
>>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - 
>>> http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en
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>
>
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From lanfran  Mon Jun 22 17:52:42 2015
From: lanfran (Sam Lanfranco)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:52:42 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd:  .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <55881EA8.4010205@acm.org>
References: <5587F053.3030103@kathykleiman.com>	<8046E3B7-CAB5-46A3-A054-211E651957CA@ipjustice.org>
	<55881EA8.4010205@acm.org>
Message-ID: <5588213A.8060407@yorku.ca>

All,

Having just said that I like the current language, let me join Avri in 
concern about how how the dispute resolution processes are actually 
taking place. The run rough shod over the normal processes that one 
would expect in a legal process, and are producing a body of "case law" 
like rulings that are fraught with problems. The trumpcard.com WIPO 
decision (and process) are a poster child for the problems. A PDP that 
included an assessment of performance, and issues, to date is needed. We 
are finding particular risks here for the Not-for-profit, NGO and civil 
society communities. This will get worse as the new trans-Atlantic and 
trans-Pacific trade (and intellectual property) agreements come into play.

Sam

On 2015-06-22 11:41 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why aren't we demanding that the whole issue of URS be subjected to PDP.
> In fact we could submit an issue report request for a PDP on the URS.
>
> One can accept an implementation solution as something temporary until
> such time as it can undergo a PDP.  But it is time.  Especially given
> the talk we heard this morning about the threat of  URS-T, aka UDRP -ez.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 22-Jun-15 09:37, Robin Gross wrote:
>> Kathy, I'm just seeing this now and forwarding it on.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Robin
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> *From: *Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com
>>> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>
>>> *Subject: **Re: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment*
>>> *Date: *June 22, 2015 4:24:03 AM PDT
>>> *To: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>
>>> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>,
>>> "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>"
>>> <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> My email to the PC will bounce so if someone could forward this to
>>> the group, I would appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Great comment!!! Tx Stephanie and Ed, and Marilia!
>>>
>>> To Marilia's version, I added additions to paragraph 3 and a new
>>> short paragraph 4 about the STI - Special Trademarks Initiative group
>>> the rewrote the URS. It was the STI's recommendations and its URS
>>> rules and URS limitations that the GNSO Council adopted only and
>>> explicitly for New gTLDs (and with very express reasons for that
>>> limitation), so I can't understand how ICANN staff can shove URS into
>>> legacy gTLDs.
>>>
>>> Hopefully shown in "Track Changes."
>>> Best,
>>> Kathy
>>> :
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we
>>>> make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the
>>>> softening of some language with regards to that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Mar?lia
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>>>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done
>>>>      here is just what is needed.
>>>>
>>>>      Cheers
>>>>
>>>>      David
>>>>
>>>>      > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>      <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>      >
>>>>      > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for
>>>>      pulling this together in time for submission.
>>>>      >
>>>>      > Best,
>>>>      > Robin
>>>>      >
>>>>      > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>>      >
>>>>      >> Thanks Stephanie!
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >> More input welcome...
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >> Thanks,
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >> Ed
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>      <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>      <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>      >>>
>>>>      >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board
>>>>      the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff
>>>>      free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and
>>>>      thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title
>>>>      should have something in there about what it is, too vague right
>>>>      now....
>>>>      >>> attached in markup
>>>>      >>> Steph
>>>>      >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>>      >>>> HI all,
>>>>      >>>>
>>>>      >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for
>>>>      NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make
>>>>      better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to
>>>>      approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m.
>>>>      Argentina time tonight.
>>>>      >>>>
>>>>      >>>> Thanks,
>>>>      >>>>
>>>>      >>>> Ed
>>>>      >>>
>>>>      >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >
>>>>      > _______________________________________________
>>>>      > PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>>      > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>>      > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      _______________________________________________
>>>>      PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>>      PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>>      http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> *Mar?lia Maciel*
>>>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV
>>>> Direito Rio
>>>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV
>>>> Law School
>>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>>
>>>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu
>>>> <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>
>>>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/
>>>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the
>>>> Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From director-general  Mon Jun 22 19:55:20 2015
From: director-general (Dorothy K. Gordon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:55:20 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd:  .Travel public comment
In-Reply-To: <55881EA8.4010205@acm.org>
Message-ID: <23942437.671434992120674.JavaMail.root@mail.aiti-kace.com.gh>

So far it reads well and makes all its points clearly. I am comfortable with whichever way we choose to go, incorporating the URS issue in this submission or in a separate submission. Others may know which would have more impact strategically.
best
Dorothy K. Gordon
Director-General
Ghana-India Kofi Annan Centre of Excellence in ICT
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Direct Line: 233 302 683579
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>
To: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
Sent: Monday, 22 June, 2015 2:41:44 PM GMT +00:00 Casablanca / Monrovia
Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd:  .Travel public comment

Hi,

Why aren't we demanding that the whole issue of URS be subjected to PDP.
In fact we could submit an issue report request for a PDP on the URS.

One can accept an implementation solution as something temporary until
such time as it can undergo a PDP.  But it is time.  Especially given
the talk we heard this morning about the threat of  URS-T, aka UDRP -ez.

avri


On 22-Jun-15 09:37, Robin Gross wrote:
> Kathy, I'm just seeing this now and forwarding it on.
>
> Thank you!
> Robin
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com
>> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>
>> *Subject: **Re: [PC-NCSG] .Travel public comment*
>> *Date: *June 22, 2015 4:24:03 AM PDT
>> *To: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>
>> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>,
>> "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>"
>> <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> My email to the PC will bounce so if someone could forward this to
>> the group, I would appreciate it. 
>>
>> Great comment!!! Tx Stephanie and Ed, and Marilia!
>>
>> To Marilia's version, I added additions to paragraph 3 and a new
>> short paragraph 4 about the STI - Special Trademarks Initiative group
>> the rewrote the URS. It was the STI's recommendations and its URS
>> rules and URS limitations that the GNSO Council adopted only and
>> explicitly for New gTLDs (and with very express reasons for that
>> limitation), so I can't understand how ICANN staff can shove URS into
>> legacy gTLDs.
>>
>> Hopefully shown in "Track Changes."
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>> :
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Please find it attached with a few suggestions. I believe that we
>>> make clear that staff is acting inappropriately, so I suggested the
>>> softening of some language with regards to that.
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>> Mar?lia
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Looks great to me. A strong statement of the problem as done
>>>     here is just what is needed.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     David
>>>
>>>     > On 21 Jun 2015, at 5:49 pm, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     > Excellent work, Ed and Stephanie!   Thank you so much for
>>>     pulling this together in time for submission.
>>>     >
>>>     > Best,
>>>     > Robin
>>>     >
>>>     > On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >> Thanks Stephanie!
>>>     >>
>>>     >> More input welcome...
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Thanks,
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Ed
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>     >>
>>>     >>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> I have made a few editorial revisions...I am taking on board
>>>     the idea that this should be a strong condemnation of staff
>>>     free-wheeling, but it is pretty direct.   I like it though, and
>>>     thanks for whipping it up so quickly...one more thing, the title
>>>     should have something in there about what it is, too vague right
>>>     now....
>>>     >>> attached in markup
>>>     >>> Steph
>>>     >>>> On 2015-06-21 16:45, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>     >>>> HI all,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Attached find a rather rushed public comment proposed for
>>>     NCSG to submit on .travel. Please take a look, correct, make
>>>     better etc. If we're going to get something in we need to
>>>     approve it at tonight's meeting and submit before 8 p.m.
>>>     Argentina time tonight.
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Thanks,
>>>     >>>>
>>>     >>>> Ed
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> <draft .travel pcsp.docx>
>>>     >>
>>>     >
>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>     > PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>     > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>     > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>     PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>     http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> *Mar?lia Maciel*
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV
>>> Direito Rio
>>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV
>>> Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu
>>> <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>
>>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/
>>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the
>>> Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en 
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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From stephanie.perrin  Wed Jun 24 00:39:51 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:39:51 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Voting on the motions in the Wednesday GNSO
Message-ID: <5589D227.1030809@mail.utoronto.ca>

As you know, we finished early with a strenuous discussion on the topic 
of the IANA tm issue being included in the CWG text.  It is still there, 
albeit in square brackets.  If you have views on the matter, please let 
me know.
Stephanie



From rafik.dammak  Wed Jun 24 15:40:36 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:40:36 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] meeting with Markus and Bruce in Thursday Breakfast time
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmjH58948hfQdQXmvMrQGO+AjhDQFx-qWUZ7g-SsQHMeg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

as usual we will have a breakfast meeting with  Bruce and Markus at 7:30am
in Aligbe room.
please be there,

Best,

Rafik
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From aelsadr  Wed Jun 24 18:11:30 2015
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:30 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Draft comments to the AoC/Organisational review
	schedule public comment
In-Reply-To: <B50F7373-33AD-4E39-A93C-2A74F7931D81@toast.net>
References: <C601F8AD-797F-4A0B-A8D5-968D298F8415@cyberinvasion.net>
	<B50F7373-33AD-4E39-A93C-2A74F7931D81@toast.net>
Message-ID: <EA138646-D24A-43F3-99ED-EBD42B326E60@egyptig.org>

Hi,

I suppose what Ed says regarding delaying the At-Large review makes sense, although I can?t guess how helpful this review will actually be. The almost complete review of the GNSO leaves quite a bit to be desired as far as organisational reviews are concerned in ICANN.

I also wonder about the second WHOIS review. This is scheduled to begin in late 2015. Apart from the Privacy/Proxy Accreditation Issues (PPSAI) PDP and the WHOIS and national law conflicts Implementation Advisory Group (IAG) ? both mentioned in the draft comment ? there is also the next generation gTLD registration directory services (post EWG) PDP that is scheduled to start sometime in the next couple of months. Seems to me that the second WHOIS review would be of more benefit if it would take place before or after this PDP, which may drastically change the WHOIS. I would be grateful to hear the opinions of others, particularly those who were involved in the first WHOIS review team on this.

Either way?, thanks for drafting this, James. The public comment period on this closes on July 2nd. The NCSG policy committee could perhaps begin considering this for submission, and keep track of changes made to the current draft.

Thanks again.

Amr

On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> Thanks for your hard work on this. Much appreciated.
> 
> Although I agree with your general sentiments, I really don't want the ALAC review to be delayed. I'm fine with holding off on the other reviews but ALAC is such a big part of whatever post transition regime we settle on I think it's best to help them make whatever reforms that are deemed necessary sooner rather than later.
> 
> In terms of community overload I might also suggest that increased commitment in terms of support (staff, travel) might help a bit.
> 
> Thanks again for your hard work, always difficult in the middle of the Meeting, that produced this document.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ed 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, James Gannon <james at CYBERINVASION.NET> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Please find my initial drafting for the public comment to the AOC and Organisational review schedule that is coming to  close in the next few days.
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LLCWNYombphjN5Pxob4IVEXNMjyuNim8YPUNCQVdx3g/edit?usp=sharing
>> 
>> I welcome any comments or further input. 
>> 
>> -James




From stephanie.perrin  Wed Jun 24 18:16:58 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:16:58 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Draft comments to the AoC/Organisational review
 schedule public comment
In-Reply-To: <EA138646-D24A-43F3-99ED-EBD42B326E60@egyptig.org>
References: <C601F8AD-797F-4A0B-A8D5-968D298F8415@cyberinvasion.net>	<B50F7373-33AD-4E39-A93C-2A74F7931D81@toast.net>
	<EA138646-D24A-43F3-99ED-EBD42B326E60@egyptig.org>
Message-ID: <558AC9EA.9030909@mail.utoronto.ca>

Indeed, and we have to factor in the results of the accuracy discussions 
currently going on with the registrars....v important.
Thanks James, great to have this done...
Will get to it in the next boring session I am at....
SP
On 2015-06-24 12:11, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I suppose what Ed says regarding delaying the At-Large review makes sense, although I can?t guess how helpful this review will actually be. The almost complete review of the GNSO leaves quite a bit to be desired as far as organisational reviews are concerned in ICANN.
>
> I also wonder about the second WHOIS review. This is scheduled to begin in late 2015. Apart from the Privacy/Proxy Accreditation Issues (PPSAI) PDP and the WHOIS and national law conflicts Implementation Advisory Group (IAG) ? both mentioned in the draft comment ? there is also the next generation gTLD registration directory services (post EWG) PDP that is scheduled to start sometime in the next couple of months. Seems to me that the second WHOIS review would be of more benefit if it would take place before or after this PDP, which may drastically change the WHOIS. I would be grateful to hear the opinions of others, particularly those who were involved in the first WHOIS review team on this.
>
> Either way?, thanks for drafting this, James. The public comment period on this closes on July 2nd. The NCSG policy committee could perhaps begin considering this for submission, and keep track of changes made to the current draft.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Amr
>
> On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Thanks for your hard work on this. Much appreciated.
>>
>> Although I agree with your general sentiments, I really don't want the ALAC review to be delayed. I'm fine with holding off on the other reviews but ALAC is such a big part of whatever post transition regime we settle on I think it's best to help them make whatever reforms that are deemed necessary sooner rather than later.
>>
>> In terms of community overload I might also suggest that increased commitment in terms of support (staff, travel) might help a bit.
>>
>> Thanks again for your hard work, always difficult in the middle of the Meeting, that produced this document.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, James Gannon <james at CYBERINVASION.NET> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Please find my initial drafting for the public comment to the AOC and Organisational review schedule that is coming to  close in the next few days.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LLCWNYombphjN5Pxob4IVEXNMjyuNim8YPUNCQVdx3g/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I welcome any comments or further input.
>>>
>>> -James
>
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From mshears  Wed Jun 24 19:21:51 2015
From: mshears (Matthew Shears)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:21:51 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
In-Reply-To: <558AC073.7070308@cdt.org>
References: <558AC073.7070308@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CABAnqJOmP42rDCUk+YBxVLw-S-gmh=BnDBbC2ypeiCAVzEKxxQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Matthew Shears* <mshears at cdt.org>
Date: Wednesday, 24 June 2015
Subject: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
To: "ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org" <ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>


Hi Rafik, all

Can we fit in a wrap-up get-together, even if informal, to review what
actions we need to take from this meeting and get done by Dublin?

I can see a number: PICS, restructuring, Auction $ proposal, next steps HR
CCWP, board member selection process, etc.

Would be good to gather, discuss and prioritize engagement among other
things.

Matthew

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From stephanie.perrin  Wed Jun 24 19:32:57 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 13:32:57 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
In-Reply-To: <CABAnqJOmP42rDCUk+YBxVLw-S-gmh=BnDBbC2ypeiCAVzEKxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <558AC073.7070308@cdt.org>
	<CABAnqJOmP42rDCUk+YBxVLw-S-gmh=BnDBbC2ypeiCAVzEKxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <558ADBB9.5000903@mail.utoronto.ca>

totally agree.  I would add to that list the prioritization of the 
various comments periods and required texts.
Stephanie

On 2015-06-24 13:21, Matthew Shears wrote:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Matthew Shears* <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
> Date: Wednesday, 24 June 2015
> Subject: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
> To: "ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>" 
> <ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>
>
>
> Hi Rafik, all
>
> Can we fit in a wrap-up get-together, even if informal, to review what 
> actions we need to take from this meeting and get done by Dublin?
>
> I can see a number: PICS, restructuring, Auction $ proposal, next 
> steps HR CCWP, board member selection process, etc.
>
> Would be good to gather, discuss and prioritize engagement among other 
> things.
>
> Matthew
>
> -- 
> Matthew Shears
> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
> + 44 (0)771 247 2987
>
>
>
>
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From rafik.dammak  Wed Jun 24 19:37:42 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:37:42 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
In-Reply-To: <CABAnqJOmP42rDCUk+YBxVLw-S-gmh=BnDBbC2ypeiCAVzEKxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <558AC073.7070308@cdt.org>
	<CABAnqJOmP42rDCUk+YBxVLw-S-gmh=BnDBbC2ypeiCAVzEKxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=N_e2oMdz1GWo8kcwxJETOGkHDkEX8LF3KE8=GjzcjGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi .

For  election process, avri sent proposal to CSG yesterday so they can
comment on it.

Rafik
On Jun 24, 2015 1:21 PM, "Matthew Shears" <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:

>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Matthew Shears* <mshears at cdt.org>
> Date: Wednesday, 24 June 2015
> Subject: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
> To: "ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org" <ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
>
>
> Hi Rafik, all
>
> Can we fit in a wrap-up get-together, even if informal, to review what
> actions we need to take from this meeting and get done by Dublin?
>
> I can see a number: PICS, restructuring, Auction $ proposal, next steps HR
> CCWP, board member selection process, etc.
>
> Would be good to gather, discuss and prioritize engagement among other
> things.
>
> Matthew
>
> --
> Matthew Shears
> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
> + 44 (0)771 247 2987
>
>
>
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From mariliamaciel  Wed Jun 24 20:45:50 2015
From: mariliamaciel (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:45:50 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=N_e2oMdz1GWo8kcwxJETOGkHDkEX8LF3KE8=GjzcjGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <558AC073.7070308@cdt.org>
	<CABAnqJOmP42rDCUk+YBxVLw-S-gmh=BnDBbC2ypeiCAVzEKxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH5sTh=N_e2oMdz1GWo8kcwxJETOGkHDkEX8LF3KE8=GjzcjGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACpVkK3iEj3pyw4masH=JvZjLWvor4dFFo1q4UG94VxrE5oLVA@mail.gmail.com>

I support that. Can we schedule this meeting please?
Mar?lia

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi .
>
> For  election process, avri sent proposal to CSG yesterday so they can
> comment on it.
>
> Rafik
> On Jun 24, 2015 1:21 PM, "Matthew Shears" <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Matthew Shears* <mshears at cdt.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, 24 June 2015
>> Subject: NCSG wrap-up/next steps meeting
>> To: "ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org" <ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi Rafik, all
>>
>> Can we fit in a wrap-up get-together, even if informal, to review what
>> actions we need to take from this meeting and get done by Dublin?
>>
>> I can see a number: PICS, restructuring, Auction $ proposal, next steps
>> HR CCWP, board member selection process, etc.
>>
>> Would be good to gather, discuss and prioritize engagement among other
>> things.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Shears
>> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
>> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
>> + 44 (0)771 247 2987
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>>
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>


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From rafik.dammak  Thu Jun 25 13:15:26 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:15:26 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] meeting with Markus and Bruce in Thursday Breakfast
	time
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmjH58948hfQdQXmvMrQGO+AjhDQFx-qWUZ7g-SsQHMeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThmjH58948hfQdQXmvMrQGO+AjhDQFx-qWUZ7g-SsQHMeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmEz0ZG=KV42uibDwCPkz6YK15Ldm6W2=e87sAdBY55Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

The room is retiro A not aljibe

Rafik
On Jun 24, 2015 9:40 AM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> as usual we will have a breakfast meeting with  Bruce and Markus at 7:30am
> in Aligbe room.
> please be there,
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
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From avri  Thu Jun 25 16:28:53 2015
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:28:53 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [EWG-Process-WG] Draft Preliminary Issue Report
In-Reply-To: <55856751.50801@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20150616104840.10414d50@mail.corecom.com>
	<5581E05E.907@acm.org> <55856751.50801@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <558C0215.6010502@acm.org>


ps.  today (25 June UTC) is the last day to add edits/comments to:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GGHDeu4GptK-QUo7qdBBiVXMzHSEZrR1doEbltmsddU/edit?usp=sharing

On 20-Jun-15 10:14, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> I am marking up with sticky notes, as I do not have edit capability
> for PDFs on my laptop.  Hope this will be helpful, I will include all
> the relevant bits from my dissenting report as I understand that they
> have been omitted.  A google doc actually might be more helpful here,
> or some other kind of pad, if we can convert from the PDF to that
> format, as it is 62 pages and it is really important we get our points
> in as early as possible.
> kind regards,
> stephanie perrin
>
> On 2015-06-17 18:02, Avri Doria wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> I am just reading this now.
>>
>> Let me know of anything in the next days.
>>
>> Just to make sure that people understand this is just a draft of the
>> preliminary issues report.  that will come next - at which point we can
>> submit formal comments.  At this point I will just be reviewing it as
>> part of the process team.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:     [EWG-Process-WG] Draft Preliminary Issue Report
>> Date:     Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:59:09 -0600
>> From:     Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com>
>> To:     ewg-process-wg at icann.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Attached please find a DRAFT of a new Preliminary Issue Report for your
>> review.
>>
>> As requested, staff has prepared this new draft to replace the original
>> Preliminary Issue Report published in March 2013. This new draft:
>>
>> * incorporates by reference further work and correspondence on this
>> topic over the past two years;
>>
>> * includes overviews of the EWG's outputs and Final Report (Section 3.6)
>> and the EP-WG's Process Framework (Section 3.7);
>>
>> * frames the issue addressed by this PDP to reflect the 26 May 2015
>> Board resolution (Section 3.5) and your framework adopted by that
>> resolution; and
>>
>> * discusses that issue (Section 4) by identifying questions,
>> available/needed inputs, and phased outputs, based on the EP-WG's
>> Process Framework.
>>
>> As agreed, this DRAFT is now being sent to EP-WG members to preview the
>> Preliminary Issue Report before it is posted for public comment, to
>> ensure that your framework (2 April 2015) has been properly reflected.
>>
>> *Please raise any errors or omissions spotted during your preview of
>> this DRAFT to the EP-WG list no later than 26 June.*
>>
>> Note that staff is also drafting a proposed PDP WG charter in parallel
>> with your Issue Report preview. Any edits resulting from this EP-WG
>> preview will be folded into the body of the Preliminary Issue Report and
>> proposed charter.
>>
>> We expect to post the Preliminary Issue Report (including proposed
>> charter) for public comment following your preview.
>>
>> In addition, after the public comment period, EP-WG members will have an
>> opportunity to review public comments and recommend any needed changes
>> to the framework.
>>
>> Staff (Marika and Margie) are also available in BA next week to discuss
>> any questions or concerns.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>>
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From stephanie.perrin  Thu Jun 25 20:34:08 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:34:08 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] the issues report of the WHOIS/Board group
Message-ID: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>

I have not finished marking up the report, because when i get to the 
directive section at the end, starting section 4, I find myself not in 
sympathy with too many of the "directions" to the PDP.  "needs" for data 
should be desires.  Questions like are we collecting enough data or do 
we need more should be thrown back, etc etc.  They do indeed cite the 
dissent, fairly far in, but not at the beginning (I noted it).  Frankly, 
I think your chances of changing the issues report to reflect these 
kinds of bias are minimal, so we should focus on raising a ruckus when 
the document goes out for public comments.
Let me know if you disagree and think I should mark up all the 
directions to the working group....It will take a good whack more time 
but I can do it...
cheers steph



From avri  Thu Jun 25 21:02:12 2015
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:02:12 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] the issues report of the WHOIS/Board group
In-Reply-To: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <558C4224.1010506@acm.org>

Hi,

I will go with what you have done.

thanks


avri

On 25-Jun-15 14:34, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> I have not finished marking up the report, because when i get to the
> directive section at the end, starting section 4, I find myself not in
> sympathy with too many of the "directions" to the PDP.  "needs" for
> data should be desires.  Questions like are we collecting enough data
> or do we need more should be thrown back, etc etc.  They do indeed
> cite the dissent, fairly far in, but not at the beginning (I noted
> it).  Frankly, I think your chances of changing the issues report to
> reflect these kinds of bias are minimal, so we should focus on raising
> a ruckus when the document goes out for public comments.
> Let me know if you disagree and think I should mark up all the
> directions to the working group....It will take a good whack more time
> but I can do it...
> cheers steph
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From stephanie.perrin  Thu Jun 25 21:55:47 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:55:47 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] the issues report of the WHOIS/Board group
In-Reply-To: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <558C4EB3.8050801@mail.utoronto.ca>

Got bored and finished it....actually, some of the stuff at the end is 
ok.ordering is a problem, as we know.  Assumptions are a problem.  
However, I think we need to explain those as we comment on the draft....
So I am going to comment on the entire EWG report, the oft promised 
annotated version.  You can carry it on your Ipads for future insomnia 
attacks.
we certainly need it now....
cheers steph

On 2015-06-25 14:34, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> I have not finished marking up the report, because when i get to the 
> directive section at the end, starting section 4, I find myself not in 
> sympathy with too many of the "directions" to the PDP. "needs" for 
> data should be desires.  Questions like are we collecting enough data 
> or do we need more should be thrown back, etc etc.  They do indeed 
> cite the dissent, fairly far in, but not at the beginning (I noted 
> it).  Frankly, I think your chances of changing the issues report to 
> reflect these kinds of bias are minimal, so we should focus on raising 
> a ruckus when the document goes out for public comments.
> Let me know if you disagree and think I should mark up all the 
> directions to the working group....It will take a good whack more time 
> but I can do it...
> cheers steph
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg




From avri  Fri Jun 26 05:48:29 2015
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 23:48:29 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] the issues report of the WHOIS/Board group
In-Reply-To: <558C4EB3.8050801@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<558C4EB3.8050801@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <558CBD7D.2090504@acm.org>

Hi,

Already sent them in earlier when I said I would.

The rest will have to wait for the initial draft.  They are rejecting
some other anyway.  will se what happens.

avri


On 25-Jun-15 15:55, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> Got bored and finished it....actually, some of the stuff at the end is
> ok.ordering is a problem, as we know.  Assumptions are a problem. 
> However, I think we need to explain those as we comment on the draft....
> So I am going to comment on the entire EWG report, the oft promised
> annotated version.  You can carry it on your Ipads for future insomnia
> attacks.
> we certainly need it now....
> cheers steph
>
> On 2015-06-25 14:34, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>> I have not finished marking up the report, because when i get to the
>> directive section at the end, starting section 4, I find myself not
>> in sympathy with too many of the "directions" to the PDP. "needs" for
>> data should be desires.  Questions like are we collecting enough data
>> or do we need more should be thrown back, etc etc.  They do indeed
>> cite the dissent, fairly far in, but not at the beginning (I noted
>> it).  Frankly, I think your chances of changing the issues report to
>> reflect these kinds of bias are minimal, so we should focus on
>> raising a ruckus when the document goes out for public comments.
>> Let me know if you disagree and think I should mark up all the
>> directions to the working group....It will take a good whack more
>> time but I can do it...
>> cheers steph
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
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From egmorris1  Fri Jun 26 07:04:05 2015
From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:04:05 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .cat, .pro
Message-ID: <D506380C-2488-4C60-9DE4-CB7738DA3F65@toast.net>

Hi everyone,

The public comment period for .cat and .pro closes on July 7th. Both of these legacy tld's have the same problem we faced with .travel: a staff attempt to create de facto consensus policy outside the pdp via contract.

We submitted a public comment on .travel: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-travel-renewal-12may15/msg00013.html. As the issues are identical I'd like to submit the exact same public comment, save for changes to the domain name involved, for .cat and .pro. It might be a bit boring for staff to read and analyze but I think it's important that the NCSG weigh in each time and in each instance that staff is usurping the proper policy making process.

Thanks for considering,

Ed

Sent from my iPad


From stephanie.perrin  Fri Jun 26 07:26:03 2015
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:26:03 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] the issues report of the WHOIS/Board group
In-Reply-To: <558CBD7D.2090504@acm.org>
References: <558C3B90.7020306@mail.utoronto.ca>	<558C4EB3.8050801@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<558CBD7D.2090504@acm.org>
Message-ID: <558CD45B.6010709@mail.utoronto.ca>

Yes I suspect it will be more important to make cogent public comments 
during the public comment period.
Thanks!
steph

On 2015-06-25 23:48, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Already sent them in earlier when I said I would.
>
> The rest will have to wait for the initial draft.  They are rejecting
> some other anyway.  will se what happens.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 25-Jun-15 15:55, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>> Got bored and finished it....actually, some of the stuff at the end is
>> ok.ordering is a problem, as we know.  Assumptions are a problem.
>> However, I think we need to explain those as we comment on the draft....
>> So I am going to comment on the entire EWG report, the oft promised
>> annotated version.  You can carry it on your Ipads for future insomnia
>> attacks.
>> we certainly need it now....
>> cheers steph
>>
>> On 2015-06-25 14:34, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>> I have not finished marking up the report, because when i get to the
>>> directive section at the end, starting section 4, I find myself not
>>> in sympathy with too many of the "directions" to the PDP. "needs" for
>>> data should be desires.  Questions like are we collecting enough data
>>> or do we need more should be thrown back, etc etc.  They do indeed
>>> cite the dissent, fairly far in, but not at the beginning (I noted
>>> it).  Frankly, I think your chances of changing the issues report to
>>> reflect these kinds of bias are minimal, so we should focus on
>>> raising a ruckus when the document goes out for public comments.
>>> Let me know if you disagree and think I should mark up all the
>>> directions to the working group....It will take a good whack more
>>> time but I can do it...
>>> cheers steph
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>>
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From rafik.dammak  Fri Jun 26 21:31:18 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 03:31:18 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] .cat, .pro
In-Reply-To: <D506380C-2488-4C60-9DE4-CB7738DA3F65@toast.net>
References: <D506380C-2488-4C60-9DE4-CB7738DA3F65@toast.net>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=ypns_4Ch8RdmyW=mZ6tRNzR0yrwhcYuU+EhUyJDoQRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ed,

thanks for the reminder. it makes sense, we can just check if there is any
other point we would like to raise or add that we didn't make previously.
it is good to get comments in record.

Best Regards,

Rafik

2015-06-26 13:04 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>:

> Hi everyone,
>
> The public comment period for .cat and .pro closes on July 7th. Both of
> these legacy tld's have the same problem we faced with .travel: a staff
> attempt to create de facto consensus policy outside the pdp via contract.
>
> We submitted a public comment on .travel:
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-travel-renewal-12may15/msg00013.html.
> As the issues are identical I'd like to submit the exact same public
> comment, save for changes to the domain name involved, for .cat and .pro.
> It might be a bit boring for staff to read and analyze but I think it's
> important that the NCSG weigh in each time and in each instance that staff
> is usurping the proper policy making process.
>
> Thanks for considering,
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From rafik.dammak  Mon Jun 29 07:43:10 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 13:43:10 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Draft comments to the AoC/Organisational review schedule
	public comment
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkT9d1hMGxd3LoZBHzU+-vr6qJx3fp5MP65o9_Zbfq3aQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

we got this comment initiated by James
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LLCWNYombphjN5Pxob4IVEXNMjyuNim8YPUNCQVdx3g/edit?usp=sharing
and which received some edits. please review it so NCSG PC can endorse it .
the deadline is 2nd July 23:59.

so please review, comments and help with edits.

Best,

Rafik
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