From rafik.dammak Tue Feb 3 15:17:55 2015 From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:17:55 +0900 Subject: [PC-NCSG] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_For_Review_and_Action_=C2=AD_Prep_For_?= =?utf-8?q?ICANN_52_High_Interest_Topic_Session?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, below, you will find info about the high Interest topic session focusing on operational improvement and aiming to get community input. I will be glad to represent NCSG there. Best, Rafik ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "David Olive" Date: Jan 31, 2015 6:57 PM Subject: For Review and Action ? Prep For ICANN 52 High Interest Topic Session To: "byron.holland at cira.ca" , " jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com" , " louie at louie.net" , "Alan Barrett" , " thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch" , " alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca" , "patrik at frobbit.se" < patrik at frobbit.se>, "tsinha at umd.edu" , "liman at netnod.se" < liman at netnod.se>, "Metalitz, Steven" , " Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com" , " tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" , " rafik.dammak at gmail.com" , "william.drake at uzh.ch" < william.drake at uzh.ch>, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be" , " Michele at blacknight.com" , "kdrazek at Verisign.com" < kdrazek at verisign.com>, "Greg Shatan (gregshatanipc at gmail.com)" < gregshatanipc at gmail.com> Cc: "Global Leadership" , "Duncan Burns" < duncan.burns at icann.org>, "Brad White" , "Robert Hoggarth" , "Benedetta Rossi" < benedetta.rossi at icann.org> Dear Community Leaders: As we all prepare for travel to the ICANN Public Meeting in Singapore (ICANN 52), this note is designed to update you and ask for assistance regarding our preparations for the SO-AC High Interest Topic session scheduled for the main ballroom (Padang) on the afternoon of Monday 9 February at 1400 Local Time. As you know, based on our recent calls and correspondence, the main topic you agreed to focus on for the ICANN 52 session was the operational and workload improvement efforts that were started at the ICANN 51 meeting in Los Angeles. During our last meeting (a couple of weeks ago with Fadi) we discussed the brainstorm idea to try to associate that operational improvements discussion with the broader ICANN Accountability topic. As Jonathan and Keith warned during the meeting, that connection has proven to be too tenuous. As a result, we have explored re-fining the session to focus directly on the three operational improvement themes - (1) Establishing a stakeholder-led mechanism for prioritizing ICANN?s overall policy issues and related work areas; (2) Developing a comprehensive knowledge database or network to make information about ICANN?s current and past work easily accessible and available to all existing and future ICANN participants; and (3) Identifying ways to improve our capabilities to identify and attract new and productive community participation while retaining existing participants who dedicate their time and efforts to ICANN?s work. The overall goal of the Monday session can now be more focused - to develop a useful dialogue that demonstrates to the broader community that their leadership (all of you) is engaged in developing solutions to the community?s current workload challenges and is interested in absorbing community ideas to help collectively solve these issues. The more concise agenda also works well because due to scheduling of other sessions we are limited to a 75-minute session time block. We?ve structured the session in two parts. The first part (25 minutes) will offer the audience a general discussion among you and other community representative panelists on the overall view you or communities have about ICANN?s community workload challenges and how those challenges impact ICANN?s operational accountability generally ? that is, what is currently working operationally, what can be improved and what ideas are being explored to take improvement steps. You or your fellow community members might even have specific best practice suggestions that work in your communities. The second part of the session (45 minutes) will address, in turn, each of the three work streams you have developed (15 minutes a piece), so that the community can see and hear the various approaches that are being considered in the three topic areas to help address ICANN?s workload challenges. We hope that through in-room and remote participation that audience members (via in-room microphones and twitter posts) will be able to contribute some thoughts and ideas to the discussion. The session will present itself as more of a problem-solving exercise which will enable you and your community representatives to talk about ideas for changes. We hope the session transcript will be a useful tool to help us take the various subgroups to the next step of their discussions and ultimate recommendations. We think the modified theme will work nicely - enmeshed with the Monday ICG IANA Stewardship Transition and the CCWG Accountability programming as an example of how ICANN community leadership is looking to improve ICANN?s effectiveness and operational excellence. We?ve created some draft context/background material and sample ?seed? questions for moderator Brad White to consider in introducing the session and keeping things moving. Please feel free to suggest additional questions or modifications to the context materials for Brad that are attached to this message. Also, when we meet next Friday in Singapore, please share with me who you plan to have on the stage to represent your community during the session. We will follow the now-traditional protocol of the following panelist assignments: *?? a maximum two (2) representatives from each of the ASO, ccNSO, GAC, SSAC and RSSAC communities, and a maximum of four (4) participants from the GNSO (one per Stakeholder Group) and a maximum of 5 from At-Large (one per RALO)?.* I look forward to finalizing these arrangements with you when we meet next week in Singapore. Looking forward to your feedback via email and at the meeting. Best regards, David David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, Istanbul Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 Email: david.olive at icann.org www.icann.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amr --------------------------------- NCSG-PC Meeting Agenda: Sunday, February 8th 2015 from 16:30 - 18:30 local Singapore time (UTC +8) Room: Moor. Remote Participation Details: To be confirmed. I. Preparation for GNSO Council public meeting (30 minutes): The agenda of the GNSO Council public meeting is still to be confirmed, however, there don?t appear to be any motions set to be voted on as of yet. II. Open public comment periods (20 minutes): 1.GNSO policy and implementation working group initial report: Mainly as a result of discussions stemming from implementation related issues of the new generic Top-Level Domain (gTLD) program, there has been an increased focus on which topics call for policy and which call for implementation work, including which processes should be used, at what time and how issues which are the subject of diverging opinions during the implementation process should be acted upon. Following several discussions, including the publication of a staff discussion paper and a community session during the ICANN meeting in Beijing in April 2013, the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council decided in July 2013 to form a Working Group (WG) which was tasked to provide the GNSO Council with a set of recommendations on a number of questions that specifically relate to policy and implementation in a GNSO context. The public comment period closes on March 3rd. Details can be found here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/policy-implementation-2015-01-19-en 2. Draft Report - Rights Protection Mechanisms Review: This paper is intended to provide an outline for an initial review of the effectiveness of the rights protection mechanisms established as safeguards in the New gTLD Program. Particularly, this paper will review the data and input collected in many of the key areas relating to protection of trademark rights in the domain name system, including the Trademark Clearinghouse, Uniform Rapid Suspension system, and Post-Delegation Dispute Resolution Procedures. The public comment period closes on April 3rd. Details can be found here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rpm-review-2015-02-02-en III. Update on ongoing working groups (40 minutes): 1. Privacy/Proxy Services Accreditation PDP Working Group 2. Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group 3. Policy and Implementation Working Group (This topic will be discussed separately with other issues with open public comment periods) 4. IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms PDP 5. Board-GNSO EWG Process WG IV. Preparation for NCSG meeting with the ICANN board (20 minutes): 1. ICANN?s involvement in Web content regulation 2. Public interest and human rights + Public Interest Commitments Specification (PICs) of the registry agreement 3. Privacy issues at ICANN V. AOB (10 minutes) Possible topic may be the report and public comments submitted regarding the GAC subgroup on the protection of geographic names in the new gTLDs process (https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/Community+Input+-+The+protection+of+Geographic+Names+in+the+New+gTLDs+process) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rafik.dammak Wed Feb 4 14:43:13 2015 From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:43:13 +0900 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining to NCSG. Best, Rafik 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak : > Hi, > > we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we > should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) > > Rafik > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Olive > Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 > Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN > Enterprise Risks > To: "byron.holland at cira.ca" , " > jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com" , " > louie at louie.net" , "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch" < > thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch>, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca" < > alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, "patrik at frobbit.se" , " > tsinha at umd.edu" , "liman at netnod.se" , > "Metalitz, Steven" , "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com" < > Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" < > tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" < > rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, "william.drake at uzh.ch" , " > rudi.vansnick at isoc.be" , "Michele at blacknight.com" < > Michele at blacknight.com>, "kdrazek at Verisign.com" > Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org" , "rmohan at afilias.info" > > > > Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > Dear SO/AC/SG: > > > > The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and guidance > into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. ICANN has > developed a risk management framework and methodology that is used to > identify, mitigate and monitor risks. > > > > The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG > Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the *top > five enterprise-wide risks* to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to > calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by > the community. > > > > We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise > risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. > > > > We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February 2015*. We > anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC Constituency > meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please send all > written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org. > > > We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal response > from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate > you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set > of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will > iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are > most welcome. > > > > Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. > > > > Regards, > > Mike Silber & Ram Mohan > > ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs > > > > David A. Olive > Vice President, Policy Development Support > General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul > Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, > Istanbul > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 > Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 > Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 > Email: david.olive at icann.org > www.icann.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjdrake Wed Feb 4 15:16:12 2015 From: wjdrake (William Drake) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:16:12 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the first risk is if they think of ICANN as an corporate enterprise. Beyond that, will have to respond after flying in a bit, Bill > On Feb 4, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining to NCSG. > > Best, > > Rafik > > 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak >: > Hi, > > we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) > > Rafik > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Olive > > Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 > Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks > To: "byron.holland at cira.ca " >, "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com " >, "louie at louie.net " >, "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch " >, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca " >, "patrik at frobbit.se " >, "tsinha at umd.edu " >, "liman at netnod.se " >, "Metalitz, Steven" >, "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com " >, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com " >, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com " >, "william.drake at uzh.ch " >, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be " >, "Michele at blacknight.com " >, "kdrazek at Verisign.com" > > Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org " >, "rmohan at afilias.info " > > > > Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. > > --------------------------------------------- > > Dear SO/AC/SG: > > The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. > > The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the top five enterprise-wide risks to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by the community. > > We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. > > We ask to provide a written response via email by 5 February 2015. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org . > > We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are most welcome. > > Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. > > Regards, > Mike Silber & Ram Mohan > ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs > > > David A. Olive > Vice President, Policy Development Support > General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul > Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, Istanbul > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 > Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 > Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 > Email: david.olive at icann.org > www.icann.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avri Wed Feb 4 16:56:54 2015 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:56:54 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D23336.5030406@acm.org> Hi, I have to agree with this. I was put off by this enterprise model they assume. - That ICANN sees itself as a profit making business as opposed to as a public service entity - A CEO who acts as if he were responsible for producing the vision for ICANN as opposed to having a vision that comes from the community that he uses his talents to implement and deploy. - A Board and Senior Staff that are not accountable to the community avri On 04-Feb-15 14:16, William Drake wrote: > I think the first risk is if they think of ICANN as an corporate > enterprise. > > Beyond that, will have to respond after flying in a bit, > > Bill > >> On Feb 4, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Rafik Dammak > > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint >> meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks >> pertaining to NCSG. >> >> Best, >> >> Rafik >> >> 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak > >: >> >> Hi, >> >> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and >> we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the >> singapore meeting) >> >> Rafik >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: *David Olive* > > >> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN >> Enterprise Risks >> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca " >> >, >> "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com >> " >> > >, "louie at louie.net >> " > >, "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch >> " >> > >, >> "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca " >> >, >> "patrik at frobbit.se " > >, "tsinha at umd.edu >> " > >, "liman at netnod.se >> " > >, "Metalitz, Steven" > >, "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com >> " >> > >, >> "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com >> " >> > >, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com >> " > >, "william.drake at uzh.ch >> " > >, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be >> " > >, "Michele at blacknight.com >> " > >, "kdrazek at Verisign.com >> " > > >> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org " >> >, >> "rmohan at afilias.info " >> > >> >> >> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> Dear SO/AC/SG: >> >> >> >> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and >> guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for >> ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and >> methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >> >> >> >> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG >> Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are >> the _top five enterprise-wide risks_ to ICANN. This feedback >> process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified >> internally with those identified by the community. >> >> >> >> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five >> enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be >> ICANN?s top priorities. >> >> >> >> We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February >> 2015*. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the >> SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in >> Singapore. Please send all written responses directly >> to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org . >> >> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal >> response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would >> appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or those >> of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let us know >> if you have done so. We will iterate the process to improve it >> and comments on possible improvements are most welcome. >> >> >> >> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >> >> >> David A. Olive >> Vice President, Policy Development Support >> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >> Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, >> Besiktas, Istanbul >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 >> Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 >> Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 >> Email: david.olive at icann.org >> www.icann.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanie.perrin Wed Feb 4 18:18:50 2015 From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:18:50 -0500 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. Stephanie Perrin On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: > Hi everyone, > > any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint > meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks > pertaining to NCSG. > > Best, > > Rafik > > 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak >: > > Hi, > > we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and > we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the > singapore meeting) > > Rafik > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *David Olive* > > Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 > Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN > Enterprise Risks > To: "byron.holland at cira.ca " > >, > "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com > " > >, "louie at louie.net > " >, "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch > " > >, > "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca " > >, > "patrik at frobbit.se " >, "tsinha at umd.edu > " >, > "liman at netnod.se " >, "Metalitz, Steven" >, "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com > " > >, > "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com " > >, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com > " >, "william.drake at uzh.ch > " >, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be > " >, "Michele at blacknight.com > " >, "kdrazek at Verisign.com" > > > Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org " > >, > "rmohan at afilias.info " > > > > > Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > Dear SO/AC/SG: > > The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and > guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for > ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and > methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. > > The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG > Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are > the _top five enterprise-wide risks_ to ICANN. This feedback > process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified > internally with those identified by the community. > > We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five > enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be > ICANN?s top priorities. > > We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February > 2015*. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the > SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in > Singapore. Please send all written responses directly to > Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org . > > > We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal > response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would > appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or those > of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let us know > if you have done so. We will iterate the process to improve it and > comments on possible improvements are most welcome. > > Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. > > Regards, > > Mike Silber & Ram Mohan > > ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs > > > > David A. Olive > Vice President, Policy Development Support > General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul > Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, > Besiktas, Istanbul > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > Direct Line:+90.212.999.6212 > Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 > Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 > Email: david.olive at icann.org > www.icann.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmorris1 Wed Feb 4 18:31:53 2015 From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:31:53 +0000 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Not being entirely sure what they want how about... The risk that once the tie to the US government is severed ICANN will be found guilty of being a monopoly under antitrust/competition law in California (Cartwright Ace), the USA (Sherman), the EU (TFEU 101-109) ? On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Stephanie Perrin < stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: > i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five > risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. > Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. > Stephanie Perrin > On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint > meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining > to NCSG. > > Best, > > Rafik > > 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak : > >> Hi, >> >> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we >> should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) >> >> Rafik >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Olive >> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN >> Enterprise Risks >> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca" , " >> jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com" , " >> louie at louie.net" , "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch" < >> thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch>, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca" < >> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, "patrik at frobbit.se" , " >> tsinha at umd.edu" , "liman at netnod.se" , >> "Metalitz, Steven" , "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com" < >> Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" < >> tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" < >> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, "william.drake at uzh.ch" , " >> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be" , "Michele at blacknight.com" >> , "kdrazek at Verisign.com" < >> kdrazek at verisign.com> >> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org" , "rmohan at afilias.info" >> >> >> >> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Dear SO/AC/SG: >> >> >> >> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and >> guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. >> ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is >> used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >> >> >> >> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG >> Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the *top >> five enterprise-wide risks* to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to >> calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by >> the community. >> >> >> >> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise >> risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. >> >> >> >> We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February 2015*. >> We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC >> Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please >> send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org. >> >> >> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal >> response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate >> you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set >> of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will >> iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are >> most welcome. >> >> >> >> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >> >> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >> >> >> >> David A. Olive >> Vice President, Policy Development Support >> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >> Hakki Yeten Cad. 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URL: From egmorris1 Wed Feb 4 18:33:47 2015 From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:33:47 +0000 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Sorry...rough train caused me to hit send early. Not being entirely sure what they want, how about... The risk that once the tie to the US government is severed ICANN will be found guilty of being a monopoly under antitrust/competition law in California (Cartwright Ace), the USA (Sherman), the EU (TFEU 101-109) or in some other jurisdiction? Ed ? On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Stephanie Perrin < stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: > i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five > risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. > Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. > Stephanie Perrin > On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint > meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining > to NCSG. > > Best, > > Rafik > > 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak : > >> Hi, >> >> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we >> should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) >> >> Rafik >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Olive >> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN >> Enterprise Risks >> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca" , " >> jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com" , " >> louie at louie.net" , "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch" < >> thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch>, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca" < >> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, "patrik at frobbit.se" , " >> tsinha at umd.edu" , "liman at netnod.se" , >> "Metalitz, Steven" , "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com" < >> Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" < >> tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" < >> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, "william.drake at uzh.ch" , " >> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be" , "Michele at blacknight.com" >> , "kdrazek at Verisign.com" < >> kdrazek at verisign.com> >> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org" , "rmohan at afilias.info" >> >> >> >> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Dear SO/AC/SG: >> >> >> >> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and >> guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. >> ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is >> used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >> >> >> >> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG >> Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the *top >> five enterprise-wide risks* to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to >> calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by >> the community. >> >> >> >> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise >> risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. >> >> >> >> We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February 2015*. >> We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC >> Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please >> send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org. >> >> >> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal >> response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate >> you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set >> of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will >> iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are >> most welcome. >> >> >> >> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >> >> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >> >> >> >> David A. Olive >> Vice President, Policy Development Support >> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >> Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, >> Istanbul >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 >> Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 <%2B%201.%20202.341.3611> >> Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 >> Email: david.olive at icann.org >> www.icann.org >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rudi.vansnick Wed Feb 4 18:46:01 2015 From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:46:01 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3E2B7085-2C3E-4E77-8DF9-B6CF9980B0C6@isoc.be> I?m fully with you Stephanie ? Too often we are getting these queries with no good background definition of what will be done with what we supply to them ? As last NCPH I?m still waiting for any response from my proposals ? how long does that have to take ? forever ? or never ? Rudi Vansnick Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) www.npoc.org rudi.vansnick at npoc.org Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 > Op 4-feb.-2015, om 17:18 heeft Stephanie Perrin het volgende geschreven: > > i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. > Stephanie Perrin > On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining to NCSG. >> >> Best, >> >> Rafik >> >> 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak >: >> Hi, >> >> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) >> >> Rafik >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Olive > >> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks >> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca " >, "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com " >, "louie at louie.net " >, "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch " >, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca " >, "patrik at frobbit.se " >, "tsinha at umd.edu " >, "liman at netnod.se " >, "Metalitz, Steven" >, "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com " >, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com " >, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com " >, "william.drake at uzh.ch " >, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be " >, "Michele at blacknight.com " >,"kdrazek at Verisign.com" > >> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org " >, "rmohan at afilias.info " > >> >> >> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> Dear SO/AC/SG: >> >> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >> >> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the top five enterprise-wide risks to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by the community. >> >> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. >> >> We ask to provide a written response via email by 5 February 2015. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org . >> >> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are most welcome. >> >> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >> >> Regards, >> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >> >> >> David A. Olive >> Vice President, Policy Development Support >> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >> Hakki Yeten Cad. 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URL: From robin Wed Feb 4 20:23:38 2015 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:23:38 -0800 Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCSG-PC Meeting Agenda Draft In-Reply-To: <26B75D98-C060-4408-84A1-215E67308911@egyptig.org> References: <26B75D98-C060-4408-84A1-215E67308911@egyptig.org> Message-ID: <0D994395-2948-477D-B830-847273249FBF@ipjustice.org> Thanks it would be great if we could talk about at the PC mtg because it would be nice to take an NCSG position on the matter. Maybe that is too ambitious, but I can ask. Thanks again, Robin On Feb 3, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a preliminary draft of the NCSG-PC meeting agenda set to take place in Singapore. I?d like to get feedback from all of you before sending it out to the rest of the list. This is the first time I?ve had to do this, so help me out. Let me know what you think. :) > > Thanks. > > Amr > > --------------------------------- > > NCSG-PC Meeting Agenda: > > Sunday, February 8th 2015 from 16:30 - 18:30 local Singapore time (UTC +8) > Room: Moor. > Remote Participation Details: To be confirmed. > > I. Preparation for GNSO Council public meeting (30 minutes): > > The agenda of the GNSO Council public meeting is still to be confirmed, however, there don?t appear to be any motions set to be voted on as of yet. > > II. Open public comment periods (20 minutes): > > 1.GNSO policy and implementation working group initial report: > > Mainly as a result of discussions stemming from implementation related issues of the new generic Top-Level Domain (gTLD) program, there has been an increased focus on which topics call for policy and which call for implementation work, including which processes should be used, at what time and how issues which are the subject of diverging opinions during the implementation process should be acted upon. Following several discussions, including the publication of a staff discussion paper and a community session during the ICANN meeting in Beijing in April 2013, the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council decided in July 2013 to form a Working Group (WG) which was tasked to provide the GNSO Council with a set of recommendations on a number of questions that specifically relate to policy and implementation in a GNSO context. > > The public comment period closes on March 3rd. Details can be found here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/policy-implementation-2015-01-19-en > > 2. Draft Report - Rights Protection Mechanisms Review: > > This paper is intended to provide an outline for an initial review of the effectiveness of the rights protection mechanisms established as safeguards in the New gTLD Program. Particularly, this paper will review the data and input collected in many of the key areas relating to protection of trademark rights in the domain name system, including the Trademark Clearinghouse, Uniform Rapid Suspension system, and Post-Delegation Dispute Resolution Procedures. > > The public comment period closes on April 3rd. Details can be found here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rpm-review-2015-02-02-en > > III. Update on ongoing working groups (40 minutes): > > 1. Privacy/Proxy Services Accreditation PDP Working Group > 2. Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group > 3. Policy and Implementation Working Group (This topic will be discussed separately with other issues with open public comment periods) > 4. IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms PDP > 5. Board-GNSO EWG Process WG > > IV. Preparation for NCSG meeting with the ICANN board (20 minutes): > > 1. ICANN?s involvement in Web content regulation > 2. Public interest and human rights + Public Interest Commitments Specification (PICs) of the registry agreement > 3. Privacy issues at ICANN > > V. AOB (10 minutes) > > Possible topic may be the report and public comments submitted regarding the GAC subgroup on the protection of geographic names in the new gTLDs process (https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/Community+Input+-+The+protection+of+Geographic+Names+in+the+New+gTLDs+process) > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is nonsense to ask us all for our top >> five risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess >> risk. Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. >> Stephanie Perrin >> On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint >>> meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks >>> pertaining to NCSG. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Rafik >>> >>> 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak >> >: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks >>> and we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the >>> singapore meeting) >>> >>> Rafik >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *David Olive* >> > >>> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >>> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 >>> ICANN Enterprise Risks >>> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca " >>> >, >>> "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com >>> " >>> >> >, "louie at louie.net >>> " >> >, "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch >>> " >>> >> >, >>> "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca " >>> >, >>> "patrik at frobbit.se " >>> >, "tsinha at umd.edu >>> " >> >, "liman at netnod.se >>> " >> >, "Metalitz, Steven" >> >, "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com >>> " >>> >> >, >>> "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com >>> " >>> >> >, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com >>> " >> >, "william.drake at uzh.ch >>> " >> >, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be >>> " >> >, "Michele at blacknight.com >>> " >> >, "kdrazek at Verisign.com" >>> > >>> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org " >>> >, >>> "rmohan at afilias.info " >>> > >>> >>> >>> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Dear SO/AC/SG: >>> >>> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight >>> and guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation >>> for ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and >>> methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >>> >>> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG >>> Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are >>> the _top five enterprise-wide risks_ to ICANN. This feedback >>> process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified >>> internally with those identified by the community. >>> >>> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five >>> enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be >>> ICANN?s top priorities. >>> >>> We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February >>> 2015*. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the >>> SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in >>> Singapore. Please send all written responses directly to >>> Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org . >>> >>> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal >>> response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would >>> appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or >>> those of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let >>> us know if you have done so. We will iterate the process to >>> improve it and comments on possible improvements are most welcome. >>> >>> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >>> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >>> >>> >>> David A. Olive >>> Vice President, Policy Development Support >>> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >>> Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, >>> Besiktas, Istanbul >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >>> >>> Direct Line:+90.212.999.6212 >>> Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 >>> Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 >>> Email: david.olive at icann.org >>> www.icann.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjdrake Fri Feb 6 04:08:16 2015 From: wjdrake (William Drake) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 10:08:16 +0800 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: <54D3C7FA.3000808@yorku.ca> References: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> <3E2B7085-2C3E-4E77-8DF9-B6CF9980B0C6@isoc.be> <54D3C7FA.3000808@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <6EB202BF-9E98-4989-8782-82DABE2A66B6@gmail.com> Well, that would certainly qualify as an ?enterprise-wide? risk :-) BD > On Feb 6, 2015, at 3:43 AM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > > I have not answered the query yet but I would offer (pro bono) the following outstanding risk: "Persistent failure to learn" > > > On 2015-02-04 11:46 AM, Rudi Vansnick wrote: >> I?m fully with you Stephanie ? >> >> Too often we are getting these queries with no good background definition of what will be done with what we supply to them ? >> As last NCPH I?m still waiting for any response from my proposals ? how long does that have to take ? forever ? or never ? >> >> >> Rudi Vansnick >> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) >> www.npoc.org >> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 >> >> >> >>> Op 4-feb.-2015, om 17:18 heeft Stephanie Perrin > het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. >>> Stephanie Perrin >>> On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining to NCSG. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Rafik >>>> >>>> 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak >: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) >>>> >>>> Rafik >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: David Olive > >>>> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >>>> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks >>>> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca " >, "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com " >, "louie at louie.net " >, "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch " >, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca " >, "patrik at frobbit.se " >, "tsinha at umd.edu " >, "liman at netnod.se " >, "Metalitz, Steven" >, "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com " >, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com " >, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com " >, "william.drake at uzh.ch " >, "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be " >, "Michele at blacknight.com " >, "kdrazek at Verisign.com" > >>>> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org " >, "rmohan at afilias.info " > >>>> >>>> >>>> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Dear SO/AC/SG: >>>> >>>> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >>>> >>>> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the top five enterprise-wide risks to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by the community. >>>> >>>> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. >>>> >>>> We ask to provide a written response via email by 5 February 2015. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org . >>>> >>>> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are most welcome. >>>> >>>> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >>>> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >>>> >>>> >>>> David A. Olive >>>> Vice President, Policy Development Support >>>> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >>>> Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, Istanbul >>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >>>> >>>> Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 >>>> Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 >>>> Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 >>>> Email: david.olive at icann.org >>>> www.icann.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rafik.dammak Fri Feb 6 08:00:27 2015 From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 15:00:27 +0900 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: <6EB202BF-9E98-4989-8782-82DABE2A66B6@gmail.com> References: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> <3E2B7085-2C3E-4E77-8DF9-B6CF9980B0C6@isoc.be> <54D3C7FA.3000808@yorku.ca> <6EB202BF-9E98-4989-8782-82DABE2A66B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, thanks for the input, I will try to frame all those comments somehow :) Rafik 2015-02-06 11:08 GMT+09:00 William Drake : > Well, that would certainly qualify as an ?enterprise-wide? risk :-) > > BD > > On Feb 6, 2015, at 3:43 AM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > > I have not answered the query yet but I would offer (pro bono) the > following outstanding risk: "Persistent failure to learn" > > > On 2015-02-04 11:46 AM, Rudi Vansnick wrote: > > I?m fully with you Stephanie ? > > Too often we are getting these queries with no good background > definition of what will be done with what we supply to them ? > As last NCPH I?m still waiting for any response from my proposals ? how > long does that have to take ? forever ? or never ? > > > Rudi Vansnick > Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) > www.npoc.org > > rudi.vansnick at npoc.org > Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 > Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 > > > > Op 4-feb.-2015, om 17:18 heeft Stephanie Perrin < > stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> het volgende geschreven: > > i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five > risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. > Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. > Stephanie Perrin > On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint > meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining > to NCSG. > > Best, > > Rafik > > 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak : > >> Hi, >> >> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we >> should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) >> >> Rafik >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Olive >> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN >> Enterprise Risks >> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca" , " >> jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com" , " >> louie at louie.net" , "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch" < >> thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch>, "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca" < >> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, "patrik at frobbit.se" , " >> tsinha at umd.edu" , "liman at netnod.se" , >> "Metalitz, Steven" , "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com" < >> Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" < >> tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" < >> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, "william.drake at uzh.ch" , " >> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be" , "Michele at blacknight.com" >> , "kdrazek at Verisign.com" < >> kdrazek at verisign.com> >> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org" , "rmohan at afilias.info" >> >> >> >> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> Dear SO/AC/SG: >> >> >> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and >> guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. >> ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is >> used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >> >> >> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG >> Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the *top >> five enterprise-wide risks* to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to >> calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by >> the community. >> >> >> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise >> risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. >> >> >> We ask to provide a written response *via email* by *5 February 2015*. >> We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC >> Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please >> send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org. >> >> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal >> response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate >> you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set >> of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will >> iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are >> most welcome. >> >> >> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >> >> >> Regards, >> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >> >> >> David A. Olive >> Vice President, Policy Development Support >> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >> Hakki Yeten Cad. Selenium Plaza No:10/C K:10 34349 Fulya, Besiktas, >> Istanbul >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Direct Line: +90.212.999.6212 >> Mobile: + 1. 202.341.3611 <%2B%201.%20202.341.3611> >> Mobile: +90.533.341.6550 >> Email: david.olive at icann.org >> www.icann.org >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave Fri Feb 6 08:57:28 2015 From: dave (David Cake) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 14:57:28 +0800 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks In-Reply-To: References: <54D2466A.4030801@mail.utoronto.ca> <3E2B7085-2C3E-4E77-8DF9-B6CF9980B0C6@isoc.be> <54D3C7FA.3000808@yorku.ca> <6EB202BF-9E98-4989-8782-82DABE2A66B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?d add as risks: - lack of confidence in the domain name system as adequately protecting consumer security and privacy leading to widespread adoption of alternative mechanisms. - over reliance on commercial gTLD profits as driving ICANNs planning and growth, leading to planning that is not focussed on ICANNs core mission. - alternative, external, policy discussion outside ICANN community due to lack of engagement - for example, ICANNs fate being part of US congressional politics is an example of this form of risk Cheers David On 6 Feb 2015, at 2:00 pm, Rafik Dammak wrote: > Hi everyone, > > thanks for the input, I will try to frame all those comments somehow :) > > Rafik > > 2015-02-06 11:08 GMT+09:00 William Drake : > Well, that would certainly qualify as an ?enterprise-wide? risk :-) > > BD > >> On Feb 6, 2015, at 3:43 AM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >> >> I have not answered the query yet but I would offer (pro bono) the following outstanding risk: "Persistent failure to learn" >> >> >> On 2015-02-04 11:46 AM, Rudi Vansnick wrote: >>> I?m fully with you Stephanie ? >>> >>> Too often we are getting these queries with no good background definition of what will be done with what we supply to them ? >>> As last NCPH I?m still waiting for any response from my proposals ? how long does that have to take ? forever ? or never ? >>> >>> >>> Rudi Vansnick >>> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) >>> www.npoc.org >>> >>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org >>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 >>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 >>> >>> >>> >>>> Op 4-feb.-2015, om 17:18 heeft Stephanie Perrin het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>> i keep repeating myself. It is nonsense to ask us all for our top five risks, without giving us the framework they are using to assess risk. Garbage in, garbage out. They should know better. >>>> Stephanie Perrin >>>> On 2015-02-04 7:43, Rafik Dammak wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> any help on this. after sending the topic to board for the joint meeting, I got the question what are the top 5 entreprise risks pertaining to NCSG. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Rafik >>>>> >>>>> 2015-01-19 9:06 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak : >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> we are asked to give input about top 5 ICANN entreprise risks and we should provide this by 5th February (few days before the singapore meeting) >>>>> >>>>> Rafik >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: David Olive >>>>> Date: 2015-01-18 0:10 GMT+09:00 >>>>> Subject: Board Risk Committee Request for Feedback on Top 5 ICANN Enterprise Risks >>>>> To: "byron.holland at cira.ca" , "jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com" , "louie at louie.net" , "thomas.schneider at bakom.admin.ch" , "alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca" , "patrik at frobbit.se" , "tsinha at umd.edu" , "liman at netnod.se" , "Metalitz, Steven" , "Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com" , "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" , "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" , "william.drake at uzh.ch" , "rudi.vansnick at isoc.be" , "Michele at blacknight.com" , "kdrazek at Verisign.com" >>>>> Cc: "mike.silber at icann.org" , "rmohan at afilias.info" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Below is a note from the ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs. >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Dear SO/AC/SG: >>>>> >>>>> The Board Risk Committee (BRC) is tasked to provide oversight and guidance into enterprise risk identification and remediation for ICANN. ICANN has developed a risk management framework and methodology that is used to identify, mitigate and monitor risks. >>>>> >>>>> The purpose of this email is to reach out to you, the SO/AC/SG Leadership, to ask your group to identify what it believes are the top five enterprise-wide risks to ICANN. This feedback process allows us to calibrate and evaluate risks identified internally with those identified by the community. >>>>> >>>>> We envision a response as an enumerated list of the top five enterprise risks that your SO or AC group believes ought to be ICANN?s top priorities. >>>>> >>>>> We ask to provide a written response via email by 5 February 2015. We anticipate discussion on these identified risks in the SO/AC Constituency meetings with the Board during ICANN 52 in Singapore. Please send all written responses directly to Enterprise-Risk at ICANN.Org. >>>>> >>>>> We understand that you may not have the time to develop a formal response from your SO or AC group. In that case, we would appreciate you providing us with your own personal views or those of a small sub-set of your SO or AC group, but please let us know if you have done so. We will iterate the process to improve it and comments on possible improvements are most welcome. >>>>> >>>>> Again, thank you in advance and we look forward to your input. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Mike Silber & Ram Mohan >>>>> ICANN Board Risk Committee Co-Chairs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David A. Olive >>>>> Vice President, Policy Development Support >>>>> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters ?Istanbul >>>>> Hakki Yeten Cad. 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'" > Cc: > Reply-To: > > Thanks Heather & Carlos, > > Assuming there are not objections or other issues raised in the meantime, that will be very helpful. > > Jonathan > > From: Heather Forrest [mailto:Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au] > Sent: 09 February 2015 19:59 > To: Carlos Ra?l G. > Cc: jrobinson at afilias.info; council at gnso.icann.org > Subject: RE: [council] RE: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community Session on Protection of Geographic Names > > Dear colleagues, > > Following on from Carlos's comments below, if you are comfortable with the arrangement, Carlos and I are both prepared to represent the GNSO on the panel and put forward the views submitted by the constituencies and SGs who commented. > > Best wishes, > > Heather > > > From: Carlos Ra?l G. [crg at isoc-cr.org] > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2015 18:57 > To: Heather Forrest > Cc: jrobinson at afilias.info; council at gnso.icann.org > Subject: Re: [council] RE: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community Session on Protection of Geographic Names > > Heather, Jonathan ! > > I want to participate as well on Wednesday. > > I just had a short but intense conversation on the issue with Thomas Schneider: although the GAC is far from a common position on the paper/report of their Working Group, processing the experience and taking action after the last round of gTLD is of great importance to the GAC. > > We will be able to report back toe Council on WED afternoon. > > Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez > +506 8837 7176 (New Number) > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El feb 9, 2015, a las 18:10, Heather Forrest escribi?: > > Dear Jonathan, > > Thank you for your email below. I am pleased to see that the GNSO ultimately received an invitation to this "community session" which unquestionably involves matters of gTLD policy. > > Jonathan, I would be very grateful if you were willing to reply thanking Olga for the invitation and confirming that we will convey the name of the GNSO representative very soon. > > I will attend this session but do not wish to be put forward as representing the GNSO on the panel without input from Council colleagues. My concern about this panel has been procedural - that the GNSO be represented, not that I or any particular person be the representative. > > Also involved in this issue is Carlos Gutierrez, who serves with me as GNSO co-chairs on the CWG Country and Territory Names; Carlos is the Council's liaison on that CWG. > > Many thanks and best wishes in advance for any feedback received, > > Heather > > > From: Jonathan Robinson [jrobinson at afilias.info] > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2015 17:32 > To: Heather Forrest > Cc: council at gnso.icann.org > Subject: FW: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community Session on Protection of Geographic Names > > Heather, > > I have received the below and attached invitation from Olga Cavelli. > > I expect that this is of interest to you and would like confirmation that you will be able to attend. > In addition, are you able to do the five minute presentation requested or could you suggest someone who may be able to? > > Thank-you. > > Jonathan > > From: Olga Cavalli [mailto:olgacavalli at gmail.com] > Sent: 08 February 2015 23:05 > To: jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com > Cc: Mason Cole; Schneider, Thomas > Subject: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community Session on Protection of Geographic Names > > Dear Jonathan, > > as I told you this evening, working group on protection of geographic names in the GAC wants to invite the GNSO to join us in the community session on Protection of Geographic names. > > We also want to invite the GNSO for a five minutes presentation about comments to the draft background document. > > See attached documents for your refence: > > - Summary of comments recieved > - Community session relevant links and agenda. > > Looking forward for your participation. 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Matthew On 2/10/2015 3:53 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi, > > We discussed this topic at the PC meeting on Sunday. I was wondering > if anyone has any thoughts on the below thread. > > Thanks. > > Amr > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From: *"Jonathan Robinson" > > >> *Subject: **RE: [council] RE: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community >> Session on Protection of Geographic Names* >> *Date: *February 10, 2015 at 9:35:55 AM GMT+8 >> *To: *"'Heather Forrest'" > >, "'Carlos Ra?l G. '" >> > >> *Cc: *> >> *Reply-To: *> >> >> Thanks Heather & Carlos, >> Assuming there are not objections or other issues raised in the >> meantime, that will be very helpful. >> Jonathan >> *From:*Heather Forrest [mailto:Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au] >> *Sent:*09 February 2015 19:59 >> *To:*Carlos Ra?l G. >> *Cc:*jrobinson at afilias.info ; >> council at gnso.icann.org >> *Subject:*RE: [council] RE: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community >> Session on Protection of Geographic Names >> Dear colleagues, >> Following on from Carlos's comments below, if you are comfortable >> with the arrangement, Carlos and I are both prepared to represent the >> GNSO on the panel and put forward the views submitted by the >> constituencies and SGs who commented. >> Best wishes, >> Heather >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*Carlos Ra?l G. [crg at isoc-cr.org ] >> *Sent:*Monday, 9 February 2015 18:57 >> *To:*Heather Forrest >> *Cc:*jrobinson at afilias.info >> ;council at gnso.icann.org >> >> *Subject:*Re: [council] RE: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community >> Session on Protection of Geographic Names >> >> Heather, Jonathan ! >> I want to participate as well on Wednesday. >> I just had a short but intense conversation on the issue with Thomas >> Schneider: although the GAC is far from a common position on the >> paper/report of their Working Group, processing the experience and >> taking action after the last round of gTLD is of great importance to >> the GAC. >> We will be able to report back toe Council on WED afternoon. >> >> Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez >> +506 8837 7176 (New Number) >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> >> El feb 9, 2015, a las 18:10, Heather Forrest >> > >> escribi?: >> >> Dear Jonathan, >> Thank you for your email below. I am pleased to see that the GNSO >> ultimately received an invitation to this "community session" >> which unquestionably involves matters of gTLD policy. >> Jonathan, I would be very grateful if you were willing to reply >> thanking Olga for the invitation and confirming that we will >> convey the name of the GNSO representative very soon. >> I will attend this session but do not wish to be put forward as >> representing the GNSO on the panel without input from Council >> colleagues. My concern about this panel has been procedural - >> that the GNSO be represented, not that I or any particular person >> be the representative. >> Also involved in this issue is Carlos Gutierrez, who serves with >> me as GNSO co-chairs on the CWG Country and Territory Names; >> Carlos is the Council's liaison on that CWG. >> Many thanks and best wishes in advance for any feedback received, >> Heather >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*Jonathan Robinson [jrobinson at afilias.info >> ] >> *Sent:*Monday, 9 February 2015 17:32 >> *To:*Heather Forrest >> *Cc:*council at gnso.icann.org >> *Subject:*FW: Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community Session on >> Protection of Geographic Names >> >> Heather, >> I have received the below and attached invitation from Olga Cavelli. >> I expect that this is of interest to you and would like >> confirmation that you will be able to attend. >> In addition, are you able to do the five minute presentation >> requested or could you suggest someone who may be able to? >> Thank-you. >> Jonathan >> *From:*Olga Cavalli [mailto:olgacavalli at gmail.com] >> *Sent:*08 February 2015 23:05 >> *To:*jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com >> >> *Cc:*Mason Cole; Schneider, Thomas >> *Subject:*Invitation to the GNSO - GAC Community Session on >> Protection of Geographic Names >> Dear Jonathan, >> as I told you this evening, working group on protection of >> geographic names in the GAC wants to invite the GNSO to join us >> in the community session on Protection of Geographic names. >> We also want to invite the GNSO for a five minutes presentation >> about comments to the draft background document. >> See attached documents for your refence: >> - Summary of comments recieved >> - Community session relevant links and agenda. >> Looking forward for your participation. Please confirm who form >> GNSO will come, session will take place on Wednesday 10:30 to >> 11:30 at the Collyer room. >> Best regards >> Olga >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aelsadr Thu Feb 19 13:56:04 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:56:04 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Status Report on PICS post-Singapore References: <009f01d04bae$ed87ff50$c897fdf0$@rnapartners.com> Message-ID: <5C58399E-262F-42B8-B8EE-47A19F12E06E@egyptig.org> Hi all, The latest from Ron Andruff on the PICS. I hope we can find a way to engage in this process in a manner we can all agree. Apart from mapping out the differences we may have on this topic, we probably do need to identify the short-term questions that need to be answered, not just the long-term positions we wish the NCSG to take. I would certainly prefer if discussions on this topic between the NGPC, the BC, the ALAC and the registries do not continue to exclude us and other interested parties. David, you indicated in Singapore that you?d be willing to take the lead on this. Thanks. Amr Begin forwarded message: > From: "Ron Andruff" > Subject: Status Report on PICS post-Singapore > Date: February 18, 2015 at 8:12:57 PM GMT+1 > To: , "'Evan Leibovitch'" , "Olivier Crepin-Leblond " , , "'Amr Elsadr'" , "'Greg Shatan'" , "'Rafik Dammak'" > Cc: > > Dear all, > > As mentioned to some of you this past Thursday during the Public Forum, attached is a Status Report on PICS post-Singapore. As you will see, we have finally managed to put the issue of deficient PICS front and center for the NGPC and executive staff. 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A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated some disagreement with his responses. While it is late, responses could still be submitted. avri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avri Tue Feb 24 02:09:24 2015 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:09:24 +0800 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> Message-ID: <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> hi, So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. Perhaps I am too close at the moment. Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at this point. But perhaps others can see one. Chair how do you want to handle this? avri On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive > doc: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing > > No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some > +1s on the list for Milton's position > > I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want > to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps > with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon > in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated > some disagreement with his responses. > > While it is late, responses could still be submitted. > > avri > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mshears Tue Feb 24 15:12:19 2015 From: mshears (Matthew Shears) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:12:19 +0000 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> Message-ID: <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the mechanisms are for taking this forward. Matthew On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > hi, > > So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. > > Perhaps I am too close at the moment. > > Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is > much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at > this point. But perhaps others can see one. > > Chair how do you want to handle this? > > avri > > > On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a >> Drive doc: >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >> >> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some >> +1s on the list for Milton's position >> >> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want >> to do. 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URL: From aelsadr Tue Feb 24 15:29:19 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:29:19 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> Message-ID: Hi Avri, Thanks for following up on this. To be clear, the answers being solicited by the CWG-stewardship are meant to be provided by stakeholder groups, and not their representative members? If that is the case, then the NCSG Policy Committee will need to endorse the responses as NCSG input to the CWG. Looking over the responses to the questions, it seems that most of the responses will need to be consolidated, but one conflict clearly stands out to me; the last response to question 2: > This depends on whether there can be adequate accountability mechanism that empowers the policy making body community to be involved in the decision making making process that will affect their respective functions of IANA. I am certainly NOT in favour of this answer being included in the NCSG response. For one thing, I?m not convinced that there is any guarantee that this level of accountability is achievable. Besides, the statement seems a little vague to me. The ?policy making body community? includes the ICANN board and staff. Aren?t they the ones who need to be held accountable? More importantly, I am very much in favour of one of the initial principles agreed to by the CWG early in its work - separation of ICANN?s policy development role from the IANA operator functions. I was never really comfortable with the idea of directly involving the ICANN SOs and ACs in the oversight or decision-making processes of IANA. This is irrespective of ICANN?s overall accountability. These groups (including our own) are all geared towards policy development. Including actors of policy development in IANA decision-making processes could lead to attempts to abuse the IANA functions to influence policy decisions already made. Note that the community is already involved in policy implementation at an earlier stage in the process via GNSO implementation review teams. The IANA function should remain, to the extent possible, solely a technical function absent any policy agendas. Well?, those are my thoughts for what they?re worth. Thanks. Amr On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:51 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive doc: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing > > No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some +1s on the list for Milton's position > > I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated some disagreement with his responses. > > While it is late, responses could still be submitted. > > avri > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aelsadr Tue Feb 24 15:46:12 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:46:12 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> Message-ID: Hi, Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear to be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to numerous members indicating their agreement. There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. Thoughts? Thanks. Amr On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears wrote: > I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the mechanisms are for taking this forward. > > Matthew > > On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> hi, >> >> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >> >> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >> >> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >> >> Chair how do you want to handle this? >> >> avri >> >> >> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive doc: >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>> >>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. 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I would like to think that the PC > members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before > deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. > > My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is > my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to > numerous members indicating their agreement. > > There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t > necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on > consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, > the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. > Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? > > Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I > can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed > something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is > also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent > with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously > conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need > whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its > responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears > wrote: > >> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. >> Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the >> mechanisms are for taking this forward. >> >> Matthew >> >> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>> >>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>> >>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is >>> much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view >>> at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>> >>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>> >>> avri >>> >>> >>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a >>>> Drive doc: >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some >>>> +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>> >>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they >>>> want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses >>>> perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the >>>> NCSG positon in the live session. 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At our Singapore meeting we discussed sending a response - that is why i initiated the drive document and added some of the comments that had been expressed on the list. avri I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avri Tue Feb 24 03:03:49 2015 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:03:49 +0800 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> Message-ID: <54EBCDF5.10000@acm.org> Hi, Well Milton has already given them as if they were our opinions, so that would be consistent. but we need to deal failry with the dissenting voices. Would not do to have out NCSG statement publicly rebuked by those NCSG members who disagree. Would not be fair to them either. I will abstain from this decision and accept whatever way it goes. I have become the saleperson for the Integrated proposal and since these comments endorse that proposal am somewhat cautious of supporting it. avri On 24-Feb-15 21:46, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Hi, > > Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. > I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear to > be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. > > We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough > consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC > members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before > deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. > > My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is > my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to > numerous members indicating their agreement. > > There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t > necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on > consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, > the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. > Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? > > Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I > can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed > something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is > also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent > with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously > conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need > whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its > responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears > wrote: > >> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. >> Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the >> mechanisms are for taking this forward. >> >> Matthew >> >> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>> >>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>> >>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is >>> much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view >>> at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>> >>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>> >>> avri >>> >>> >>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a >>>> Drive doc: >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some >>>> +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>> >>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they >>>> want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses >>>> perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the >>>> NCSG positon in the live session. 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Would not be fair to them either. > > I will abstain from this decision and accept whatever way it goes. I have become the saleperson for the Integrated proposal and since these comments endorse that proposal am somewhat cautious of supporting it. > > avri > > On 24-Feb-15 21:46, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear to be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. >> >> We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. >> >> My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to numerous members indicating their agreement. >> >> There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? >> >> Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears wrote: >> >>> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the mechanisms are for taking this forward. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>>> >>>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>>> >>>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive doc: >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>>> >>>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated some disagreement with his responses. >>>>> >>>>> While it is late, responses could still be submitted. >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aelsadr Tue Feb 24 18:26:04 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:26:04 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <68E822A0-5BB1-4BE7-91CB-5CE54C20DE3C@egyptig.org> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> <54EBCDF5.10000@acm.org> <68E822A0-5BB1-4BE7-91CB-5CE54C20DE3C@egyptig.org> Message-ID: Hi again, At this point, it?d also be helpful to hear from other members of the NCSG PC. So far, only Matt and I seem to endorse Milton?s original comments. Avri has opted to abstain (@Avri: although I don?t personally feel you really need to do that). Doesn?t anyone else have an opinion? Thanks. Amr On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > It looks like Milton?s asking for permission to send in the responses, so he hasn?t yet. Is there a deadline we need to be aware of? > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:03 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Well Milton has already given them as if they were our opinions, so that would be consistent. but we need to deal failry with the dissenting voices. Would not do to have out NCSG statement publicly rebuked by those NCSG members who disagree. Would not be fair to them either. >> >> I will abstain from this decision and accept whatever way it goes. I have become the saleperson for the Integrated proposal and since these comments endorse that proposal am somewhat cautious of supporting it. >> >> avri >> >> On 24-Feb-15 21:46, Amr Elsadr wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear to be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. >>> >>> We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. >>> >>> My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to numerous members indicating their agreement. >>> >>> There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? >>> >>> Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Amr >>> >>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears wrote: >>> >>>> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the mechanisms are for taking this forward. >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>> hi, >>>>> >>>>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>>>> >>>>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive doc: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>> >>>>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>>>> >>>>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated some disagreement with his responses. >>>>>> >>>>>> While it is late, responses could still be submitted. >>>>>> >>>>>> avri >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmorris1 Tue Feb 24 18:35:33 2015 From: egmorris1 (Edward Morris) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:35:33 +0000 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> <54EBCDF5.10000@acm.org> <68E822A0-5BB1-4BE7-91CB-5CE54C20DE3C@egyptig.org> Message-ID: <4750314B-24AD-4E71-A78E-28B6303B92F0@toast.net> Full support. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > > Hi again, > > At this point, it?d also be helpful to hear from other members of the NCSG PC. So far, only Matt and I seem to endorse Milton?s original comments. Avri has opted to abstain (@Avri: although I don?t personally feel you really need to do that). > > Doesn?t anyone else have an opinion? > > Thanks. > > Amr > >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> >> It looks like Milton?s asking for permission to send in the responses, so he hasn?t yet. Is there a deadline we need to be aware of? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:03 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Well Milton has already given them as if they were our opinions, so that would be consistent. but we need to deal failry with the dissenting voices. Would not do to have out NCSG statement publicly rebuked by those NCSG members who disagree. Would not be fair to them either. >>> >>> I will abstain from this decision and accept whatever way it goes. I have become the saleperson for the Integrated proposal and since these comments endorse that proposal am somewhat cautious of supporting it. >>> >>> avri >>> >>>> On 24-Feb-15 21:46, Amr Elsadr wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear to be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. >>>> >>>> We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. >>>> >>>> My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to numerous members indicating their agreement. >>>> >>>> There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? >>>> >>>> Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Amr >>>> >>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the mechanisms are for taking this forward. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>>> hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>>>>> >>>>>> avri >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive doc: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated some disagreement with his responses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While it is late, responses could still be submitted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> avri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanie.perrin Tue Feb 24 20:43:32 2015 From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:43:32 -0500 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <54EBCDF5.10000@acm.org> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> <54EBCDF5.10000@acm.org> Message-ID: <54ECC654.1090109@mail.utoronto.ca> Just to be clear, My quibble is just to raise it, I would go with Milton's statement. On 2015-02-23 20:03, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Well Milton has already given them as if they were our opinions, so > that would be consistent. but we need to deal failry with the > dissenting voices. Would not do to have out NCSG statement publicly > rebuked by those NCSG members who disagree. Would not be fair to them > either. > > I will abstain from this decision and accept whatever way it goes. I > have become the saleperson for the Integrated proposal and since these > comments endorse that proposal am somewhat cautious of supporting it. > > avri > > On 24-Feb-15 21:46, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. >> I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear >> to be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. >> >> We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough >> consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC >> members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members >> before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what >> not to. >> >> My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is >> my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to >> numerous members indicating their agreement. >> >> There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t >> necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work >> on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some >> point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or >> lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these >> comments? >> >> Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I >> can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed >> something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is >> also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent >> with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously >> conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need >> whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its >> responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears > > wrote: >> >>> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous >>> +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the >>> mechanisms are for taking this forward. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>>> >>>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is >>>> much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view >>>> at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>>> >>>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a >>>>> Drive doc: >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen >>>>> some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>>> >>>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they >>>>> want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses >>>>> perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the >>>>> NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people >>>>> have indicated some disagreement with his responses. >>>>> >>>>> While it is late, responses could still be submitted. >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to think that the PC >> members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members >> before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what >> not to. >> >> My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is >> my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to >> numerous members indicating their agreement. >> >> There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t >> necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work >> on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some >> point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or >> lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these >> comments? >> >> Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I >> can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed >> something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is >> also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent >> with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously >> conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need >> whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its >> responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears > > wrote: >> >>> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous >>> +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the >>> mechanisms are for taking this forward. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>>> >>>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is >>>> much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view >>>> at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>>> >>>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a >>>>> Drive doc: >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen >>>>> some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>>> >>>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they >>>>> want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses >>>>> perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the >>>>> NCSG positon in the live session. 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Best regards, Marika From: ICANN News Alert > Reply-To: "communications at icann.org " > Date: Monday 19 January 2015 20:08 To: Marika Konings > Subject: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment ICANN News Alert ICANN News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-19-en ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment 19 January 2015 *Forum Announcement:* Comment Period Opens on *Date:* 19 January 2015 *Categories/Tags:* Policy Processes *Purpose (Brief):* Mainly as a result of discussions stemming from implementation related issues of the new generic Top-Level Doman (gTLD) program, there has been an increased focus on which topics call for policy and which call for implementation work, including which processes should be used, at what time and how issues which are the subject of diverging opinions during the implementation process should be acted upon. Following several discussions, including the publication of a staff discussion paper and a community session during the ICANN meeting in Beijing in April 2013, the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council decided in July 2013 to form a Working Group (WG) which was tasked to provide the GNSO Council with a set of recommendations on a number of questions that specifically relate to policy and implementation in a GNSO context. 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Not exactly light reading, but I would recommend that as many of you as possible at least skim through the recommendations. https://www.icann.org/public-comments/policy-implementation-2015-01-19-en For my part, I hope to have a draft response very soon (tomorrow?). Thanks. Amr On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > > Forgive my failing memory....who volunteered to hold the pen on this? > Stephanie > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Reminder: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:42:18 +0000 > From: Marika Konings > To: gnso-policyimpl-wg at icann.org > > > Reminder ? the public comment forum is closing on 3 March. For your convenience, please find also attached the pdf format of the survey. > > Best regards, > > Marika > > From: Marika Konings > Date: Tuesday 20 January 2015 09:56 > To: "gnso-policyimpl-wg at icann.org" > Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] FW: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment > > For your information, the Initial Recommendations Report has now been published and the public comment forum opened. Thank you all for your efforts! > > Best regards, > > Marika > > From: ICANN News Alert > Reply-To: "communications at icann.org" > Date: Monday 19 January 2015 20:08 > To: Marika Konings > Subject: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment > > > News Alert > > https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-19-en > > GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment > 19 January 2015 > > Forum Announcement: Comment Period Opens on Date: 19 January 2015 > Categories/Tags: Policy Processes > Purpose (Brief): Mainly as a result of discussions stemming from implementation related issues of the new generic Top-Level Doman (gTLD) program, there has been an increased focus on which topics call for policy and which call for implementation work, including which processes should be used, at what time and how issues which are the subject of diverging opinions during the implementation process should be acted upon. Following several discussions, including the publication of a staff discussion paper and a community session during the ICANN meeting in Beijing in April 2013, the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council decided in July 2013 to form a Working Group (WG) which was tasked to provide the GNSO Council with a set of recommendations on a number of questions that specifically relate to policy and implementation in a GNSO context. 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URL: From avri Tue Feb 24 08:21:43 2015 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:21:43 +0800 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: ] Reminder: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment In-Reply-To: <54ECCC94.9030507@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <54ECCC94.9030507@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <54EC1877.5030200@acm.org> hi, whoever does hold the pen i will add them as editor of the existing drive doc. they can then accept and reject the various comments. just me know. the file is : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing avri On 25-Feb-15 03:10, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > > Forgive my failing memory....who volunteered to hold the pen on this? > Stephanie > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Reminder: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO > Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial > Recommendations Report for Public Comment > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:42:18 +0000 > From: Marika Konings > To: gnso-policyimpl-wg at icann.org > > > > Reminder ? the public comment forum is closing on *_3 March_*. For > your convenience, please find also attached the pdf format of the survey. > > Best regards, > > Marika > > From: Marika Konings > > Date: Tuesday 20 January 2015 09:56 > To: "gnso-policyimpl-wg at icann.org > " > > Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] FW: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & > Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report > for Public Comment > > For your information, the Initial Recommendations Report has now been > published and the public comment forum opened. Thank you all for your > efforts! > > Best regards, > > Marika > > From: ICANN News Alert > > Reply-To: "communications at icann.org " > > > Date: Monday 19 January 2015 20:08 > To: Marika Konings > > Subject: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working > Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment > > ICANN News Alert > ICANN > > > News Alert > > https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-19-en > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial > Recommendations Report for Public Comment > > 19 January 2015 > > > > *Forum Announcement:* Comment Period Opens on *Date:* 19 January 2015 > *Categories/Tags:* Policy Processes > *Purpose (Brief):* Mainly as a result of discussions stemming from > implementation related issues of the new generic Top-Level Doman > (gTLD) program, there has been an increased focus on which topics call > for policy and which call for implementation work, including which > processes should be used, at what time and how issues which are the > subject of diverging opinions during the implementation process should > be acted upon. 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Avri has opted to abstain (@Avri: although I don?t > personally feel you really need to do that)./ > / > / > /Doesn?t anyone else have an opinion?/ > / > / > /Thanks./ > / > / > /Amr/ -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured in an unjust state" -Confucius ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amr On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > All, > > I just got off a 33 hour flight (with layovers) and will endorse Milton's original comments. > I had some minor comments but will let them pass in the interest of time (& sleep). > > Sam > NPOC Policy Committee > > On 24/02/2015 11:26 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> At this point, it?d also be helpful to hear from other members of the NCSG PC. So far, only Matt and I seem to endorse Milton?s original comments. Avri has opted to abstain (@Avri: although I don?t personally feel you really need to do that). >> >> Doesn?t anyone else have an opinion? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured > in an unjust state" -Confucius > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) > Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 > email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco > blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanie.perrin Wed Feb 25 00:51:36 2015 From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:51:36 -0500 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Reminder: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment In-Reply-To: <8749815A-6EAC-47BD-9809-A27FA0C6D353@egyptig.org> References: <54ECCC94.9030507@mail.utoronto.ca> <8749815A-6EAC-47BD-9809-A27FA0C6D353@egyptig.org> Message-ID: <54ED0078.9060208@mail.utoronto.ca> Terrific! You are the best! I will give the report a fast read....I too was trying to follow but could not quote you a single gem from it, so clearly work on my end is required.... Thanks Steph PS that lets you off the hook on the 6 page latest from the PPSAI :-) On 2015-02-24 14:23, Amr Elsadr wrote: > That would be me. Work in progress. I?ve spent a considerable number > of hours over the past few days going over the 88 pages of the initial > report. Although I was paying attention throughout the course of this > WG, I thought it best to make sure I was thoroughly familiar with the > content of the report. Not exactly light reading, but I would > recommend that as many of you as possible at least skim through the > recommendations. > > https://www.icann.org/public-comments/policy-implementation-2015-01-19-en > > For my part, I hope to have a draft response very soon (tomorrow?). > > Thanks. > > Amr > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Stephanie Perrin > > wrote: > >> >> Forgive my failing memory....who volunteered to hold the pen on this? >> Stephanie >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Reminder: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO >> Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial >> Recommendations Report for Public Comment >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:42:18 +0000 >> From: Marika Konings >> To: gnso-policyimpl-wg at icann.org >> >> >> >> Reminder ? the public comment forum is closing on*_3 March_*. For >> your convenience, please find also attached the pdf format of the survey. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Marika >> >> From:Marika Konings > > >> Date:Tuesday 20 January 2015 09:56 >> To:"gnso-policyimpl-wg at icann.org >> " > > >> Subject:[gnso-policyimpl-wg] FW: ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & >> Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report >> for Public Comment >> >> For your information, the Initial Recommendations Report has now been >> published and the public comment forum opened. Thank you all for your >> efforts! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Marika >> >> From:ICANN News Alert > > >> Reply-To:"communications at icann.org " >> > >> Date:Monday 19 January 2015 20:08 >> To:Marika Konings > > >> Subject:ICANN News Alert -- GNSO Policy & Implementation Working >> Group Publishes Initial Recommendations Report for Public Comment >> >> ICANN >> >> >> News Alert >> >> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-19-en >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Publishes Initial >> Recommendations Report for Public Comment >> >> 19 January 2015 >> >> >> *Forum Announcement:* Comment Period Opens on *Date:* 19 January 2015 >> *Categories/Tags:* Policy Processes >> *Purpose (Brief):* Mainly as a result of discussions stemming from >> implementation related issues of the new generic Top-Level Doman >> (gTLD) program, there has been an increased focus on which topics >> call for policy and which call for implementation work, including >> which processes should be used, at what time and how issues which are >> the subject of diverging opinions during the implementation process >> should be acted upon. Following several discussions, including the >> publication of a staff discussion paper and a community session >> during the ICANN meeting in Beijing in April 2013, the Generic Names >> Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council decided in July 2013 to form a >> Working Group (WG) which was tasked to provide the GNSO Council with >> a set of recommendations on a number of questions that specifically >> relate to policy and implementation in a GNSO context. 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Rafik 2015-02-25 5:00 GMT+09:00 Amr Elsadr : > Thanks Sam, Stephanie and Ed. > > Amr > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > > All, > > I just got off a 33 hour flight (with layovers) and will endorse Milton's > original comments. > I had some minor comments but will let them pass in the interest of time > (& sleep). > > Sam > NPOC Policy Committee > > *On 24/02/2015 11:26 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:* > > *Hi again,* > > *At this point, it?d also be helpful to hear from other members of the > NCSG PC. So far, only Matt and I seem to endorse Milton?s original > comments. Avri has opted to abstain (@Avri: although I don?t personally > feel you really need to do that).* > > *Doesn?t anyone else have an opinion?* > > *Thanks.* > > *Amr* > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured > in an unjust state" -Confucius > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) > Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 > email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco > blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aelsadr Wed Feb 25 16:35:30 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:35:30 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Survey Questions for the GNSO Policy/Implementation Working Group Initial Report Message-ID: <327B8A95-7C3B-44C1-8832-9F073ED5F255@egyptig.org> Hi, One of the currently open public comment periods is for the GNSO Policy/Implementation Working Group initial report and recommendations. The public comment period closes on March 3rd. Details on that can be found here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/policy-implementation-2015-01-19-en Normally public comments are submitted via email after drafting, however, this working group members have developed a survey to help them get answers to specific questions. This does not preclude the option of sending in free text comments as part of the survey or separately. Several NCSG members participated in this working group, and I am personally largely in support of the recommendations it has made. It has come up with some very interesting principles it is asking the GNSO and ICANN board to adopt in relation to gTLD policy development and implementation. Additionally, it is proposing three new processes to be used under certain circumstances as well as formalising the role of implementation review teams; to keep the GNSO engaged with the Global Domains Division (GDD) of ICANN during policy implementation. I do have a few minor issues that I tried to make clear in a draft response to the survey that I?m drafting on behalf of the NCSG. I?ve attached that to this email, and would very much appreciate feedback before the policy committee has a go at it. If there are folks out there who are interested in GNSO processes, then please go through the working group?s initial report. It?s actually really good stuff. Be warned though that it isn?t exactly light reading. :) I?d be happy to answer any questions if anyone?s got ?em. Thanks. 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There have been some changes to the document since that time (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?pli=1#). I am fine with most of them, but would prefer if this paragraph is removed from the answer to question 2: > ICANN should separate both functions organizationally (staff) and structurally (separate budgets), kept them at arms length under an improved oversight. Oversight should be separate between an Exec Board (NomCom) and a Supervisory Board of delayed members of the SO/ACs, as per the European model proposed by Roelof Meier in the ACC group ?, and would really like this one removed (also from the answer to question 2): > This depends on whether there can be adequate accountability mechanism that empowers the policy making body community to be involved in the decision making making process that will affect their respective functions of IANA. I wouldn?t be able to endorse the responses if the second paragraph remained, but would appreciate guidance from the rest of the PC members. Joy is working on consolidating the response (thanks Joy), and as indicated by Milton on the discuss-list (and confirmed to me by Avri and Brenden off-list), we have until tomorrow to submit these responses. Quick action by the policy committee is necessary at this time. Thanks. Amr On Feb 24, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > Thanks Sam, Stephanie and Ed. > > Amr > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > >> All, >> >> I just got off a 33 hour flight (with layovers) and will endorse Milton's original comments. >> I had some minor comments but will let them pass in the interest of time (& sleep). >> >> Sam >> NPOC Policy Committee >> >> On 24/02/2015 11:26 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >>> Hi again, >>> >>> At this point, it?d also be helpful to hear from other members of the NCSG PC. So far, only Matt and I seem to endorse Milton?s original comments. 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There have been some changes to the document since that time (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?pli=1#). I am fine with most of them, but would prefer if this paragraph is removed from the answer to question 2: > >> ICANN should separate both functions organizationally (staff) and structurally (separate budgets), kept them at arms length under an improved oversight. Oversight should be separate between an Exec Board (NomCom) and a Supervisory Board of delayed members of the SO/ACs, as per the European model proposed by Roelof Meier in the ACC group > > > ?, and would really like this one removed (also from the answer to question 2): > >> This depends on whether there can be adequate accountability mechanism that empowers the policy making body community to be involved in the decision making making process that will affect their respective functions of IANA. > > > I wouldn?t be able to endorse the responses if the second paragraph remained, but would appreciate guidance from the rest of the PC members. > > Joy is working on consolidating the response (thanks Joy), and as indicated by Milton on the discuss-list (and confirmed to me by Avri and Brenden off-list), we have until tomorrow to submit these responses. Quick action by the policy committee is necessary at this time. > > Thanks. > > Amr > >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> >> Thanks Sam, Stephanie and Ed. >> >> Amr >> >>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I just got off a 33 hour flight (with layovers) and will endorse Milton's original comments. >>> I had some minor comments but will let them pass in the interest of time (& sleep). >>> >>> Sam >>> NPOC Policy Committee >>> >>>> On 24/02/2015 11:26 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >>>> Hi again, >>>> >>>> At this point, it?d also be helpful to hear from other members of the NCSG PC. So far, only Matt and I seem to endorse Milton?s original comments. Avri has opted to abstain (@Avri: although I don?t personally feel you really need to do that). >>>> >>>> Doesn?t anyone else have an opinion? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Amr >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured >>> in an unjust state" -Confucius >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) >>> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 >>> email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco >>> blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >>> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unless there is significant opposition to this going out (both on this list and the policy committee list) as the NCSG response to the survey questions, I?m going to ask Avri to send it to the CWG-Stewardship. > > I would like to point out that we have quite a few members who are putting in a lot of time and effort into representing the NCSG on the IANA Stewardship Transition CWG and ICANN Accountability CCWG. This is sincerely appreciated, and the NCSG Policy Committee should do everything it can to support you all. > > Thanks. > > Amr > > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > >> Milton, >> >> I would suggest that NCSG not only give some members "the pen" to work on documents, but assign "a gavel" to one member who can first warn of deadlines, and then pound the gavel and say "document closed and sent". >> Many of the nuances that are important don't really get carved in stone when documents are tabled and get struggled with in the ongoing processes. 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URL: From aelsadr Thu Feb 26 19:00:06 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:00:06 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: urgent: re IANA survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D0B77B0-30E2-4926-B9B4-7076ABA84E8F@egyptig.org> Hi, This version is consistent with the one I believe Sam, Ed and I endorsed. Matt also indicated his support of it in the AC room chat of the webinar that just ended. Would be good to hear from everyone else as soon as possible in order to send it to the CWG-Stewardship at the earliest opportunity. Thanks again. Amr On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Amr Elsadr >> Subject: Re: urgent: re IANA survey >> Date: February 26, 2015 at 5:53:07 PM GMT+1 >> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU >> Cc: NCSG-Policy >> >> Hi, >> >> We just had a very constructive webinar in which Avri presented the latest version of the NCSG response to the questions in the IANA survey, as well as the Integrated Model she has been working on along with Matthew Shears and Brenden Kuerbis. There are policy committee members who?ve already shown support for two versions of the responses to the IANA survey. I am considering this the final version. It has already received some endorsements. Unless there is significant opposition to this going out (both on this list and the policy committee list) as the NCSG response to the survey questions, I?m going to ask Avri to send it to the CWG-Stewardship. >> >> I would like to point out that we have quite a few members who are putting in a lot of time and effort into representing the NCSG on the IANA Stewardship Transition CWG and ICANN Accountability CCWG. This is sincerely appreciated, and the NCSG Policy Committee should do everything it can to support you all. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> > >> >> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >> >>> Milton, >>> >>> I would suggest that NCSG not only give some members "the pen" to work on documents, but assign "a gavel" to one member who can first warn of deadlines, and then pound the gavel and say "document closed and sent". >>> Many of the nuances that are important don't really get carved in stone when documents are tabled and get struggled with in the ongoing processes. 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Would be good to hear from everyone else as soon as > possible in order to send it to the CWG-Stewardship at the earliest > opportunity. > > Thanks again. > > Amr > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Amr Elsadr > *Subject: **Re: urgent: re IANA survey* > *Date: *February 26, 2015 at 5:53:07 PM GMT+1 > *To: *NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > *Cc: *NCSG-Policy > > Hi, > > We just had a very constructive webinar in which Avri presented the latest > version of the NCSG response to the questions in the IANA survey, as well > as the Integrated Model she has been working on along with Matthew Shears > and Brenden Kuerbis. There are policy committee members who?ve already > shown support for two versions of the responses to the IANA survey. I am > considering this the final version. It has already received some > endorsements. Unless there is significant opposition to this going out > (both on this list and the policy committee list) as the NCSG response to > the survey questions, I?m going to ask Avri to send it to the > CWG-Stewardship. > > I would like to point out that we have quite a few members who are putting > in a lot of time and effort into representing the NCSG on the IANA > Stewardship Transition CWG and ICANN Accountability CCWG. This is sincerely > appreciated, and the NCSG Policy Committee should do everything it can to > support you all. > > Thanks. > > Amr > > > > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > > Milton, > > I would suggest that NCSG not only give some members "the pen" to work on > documents, but assign "a gavel" to one member who can first warn of > deadlines, and then pound the gavel and say "document closed and sent". > Many of the nuances that are important don't really get carved in stone > when documents are tabled and get struggled with in the ongoing processes. > It is better to submit a more-or-less consensus document with a few warts > to be struggled over later, than to submit no document at all. > > Sam L. > > On 26/02/2015 9:32 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Well, the CWG meeting discussing the surveys was this morning. Early. > I wasn't able to attend, so maybe someone else can tell us whether we > missed the boat. > Probably so. This is very frustrating. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aelsadr Thu Feb 26 21:11:27 2015 From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:11:27 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: urgent: re IANA survey In-Reply-To: <54EF57BC.3080800@gkpfoundation.org> References: <2D0B77B0-30E2-4926-B9B4-7076ABA84E8F@egyptig.org> <54EF57BC.3080800@gkpfoundation.org> Message-ID: <686AD3BA-F6E5-421E-AAB2-609FB8013A52@egyptig.org> Hi again, So far we have endorsements from Sam, Ed, Klaus, Rafik and myself in addition to Matt and Stephanie who indicated their support to the responses in the AC room chat earlier today during the webinar. Avri, I think it?s safe to say we have a rough consensus, so you can go ahead and forward the response to the CWG. I?ve attached it to this email again. Thanks to all who responded on such short notice. For the sake of clarification, I was not aware these responses were meant to be a stakeholder group response. This was only made clear to me a couple of days ago. My understanding now is that it was initially meant to be directed towards individuals, but this somehow changed along the way as stakeholder groups and constituencies started sending in responses. In any case, I apologise for asking you all to get on top of this so suddenly. Thanks. Amr PS: Please don?t forget to take a look at the input to the policy/implementation working group?s public comment response I circulated yesterday. On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Klaus Stoll wrote: > Dear Amr > > I endorse. > > Yours > > Klaus > > On 2/26/2015 12:00 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This version is consistent with the one I believe Sam, Ed and I endorsed. Matt also indicated his support of it in the AC room chat of the webinar that just ended. Would be good to hear from everyone else as soon as possible in order to send it to the CWG-Stewardship at the earliest opportunity. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Amr >> >> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Amr Elsadr wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: Amr Elsadr >>>> Subject: Re: urgent: re IANA survey >>>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 5:53:07 PM GMT+1 >>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU >>>> Cc: NCSG-Policy >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We just had a very constructive webinar in which Avri presented the latest version of the NCSG response to the questions in the IANA survey, as well as the Integrated Model she has been working on along with Matthew Shears and Brenden Kuerbis. There are policy committee members who?ve already shown support for two versions of the responses to the IANA survey. I am considering this the final version. It has already received some endorsements. Unless there is significant opposition to this going out (both on this list and the policy committee list) as the NCSG response to the survey questions, I?m going to ask Avri to send it to the CWG-Stewardship. >>>> >>>> I would like to point out that we have quite a few members who are putting in a lot of time and effort into representing the NCSG on the IANA Stewardship Transition CWG and ICANN Accountability CCWG. This is sincerely appreciated, and the NCSG Policy Committee should do everything it can to support you all. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Amr >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >>>> >>>>> Milton, >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest that NCSG not only give some members "the pen" to work on documents, but assign "a gavel" to one member who can first warn of deadlines, and then pound the gavel and say "document closed and sent". >>>>> Many of the nuances that are important don't really get carved in stone when documents are tabled and get struggled with in the ongoing processes. It is better to submit a more-or-less consensus document with a few warts to be struggled over later, than to submit no document at all. >>>>> >>>>> Sam L. >>>>> >>>>> On 26/02/2015 9:32 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >>>>>> Well, the CWG meeting discussing the surveys was this morning. Early. >>>>>> I wasn't able to attend, so maybe someone else can tell us whether we missed the boat. >>>>>> Probably so. This is very frustrating. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NCSGresponsetothenineCWGquestions.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 167796 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rudi.vansnick Fri Feb 27 09:45:59 2015 From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:45:59 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] urgent: re IANA survey In-Reply-To: <2D0B77B0-30E2-4926-B9B4-7076ABA84E8F@egyptig.org> References: <2D0B77B0-30E2-4926-B9B4-7076ABA84E8F@egyptig.org> Message-ID: <3196ABAE-0900-4FC8-A38A-E1E0F7BA9EED@isoc.be> Dear Amr, As Sam Lanfranco is NPOC?s Policy Committee chair, I support the proposals he has put forward and would like to endorse the present version of NCSG response. Rudi Vansnick Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) www.npoc.org rudi.vansnick at npoc.org Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 > Op 26-feb.-2015, om 18:00 heeft Amr Elsadr het volgende geschreven: > > Hi, > > This version is consistent with the one I believe Sam, Ed and I endorsed. Matt also indicated his support of it in the AC room chat of the webinar that just ended. Would be good to hear from everyone else as soon as possible in order to send it to the CWG-Stewardship at the earliest opportunity. > > Thanks again. > > Amr > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Amr Elsadr > wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Amr Elsadr > >>> Subject: Re: urgent: re IANA survey >>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 5:53:07 PM GMT+1 >>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU >>> Cc: NCSG-Policy > >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We just had a very constructive webinar in which Avri presented the latest version of the NCSG response to the questions in the IANA survey, as well as the Integrated Model she has been working on along with Matthew Shears and Brenden Kuerbis. There are policy committee members who?ve already shown support for two versions of the responses to the IANA survey. I am considering this the final version. It has already received some endorsements. Unless there is significant opposition to this going out (both on this list and the policy committee list) as the NCSG response to the survey questions, I?m going to ask Avri to send it to the CWG-Stewardship. >>> >>> I would like to point out that we have quite a few members who are putting in a lot of time and effort into representing the NCSG on the IANA Stewardship Transition CWG and ICANN Accountability CCWG. This is sincerely appreciated, and the NCSG Policy Committee should do everything it can to support you all. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Amr >>> >> >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Sam Lanfranco > wrote: >>> >>>> Milton, >>>> >>>> I would suggest that NCSG not only give some members "the pen" to work on documents, but assign "a gavel" to one member who can first warn of deadlines, and then pound the gavel and say "document closed and sent". >>>> Many of the nuances that are important don't really get carved in stone when documents are tabled and get struggled with in the ongoing processes. It is better to submit a more-or-less consensus document with a few warts to be struggled over later, than to submit no document at all. >>>> >>>> Sam L. >>>> >>>> On 26/02/2015 9:32 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >>>>> Well, the CWG meeting discussing the surveys was this morning. Early. >>>>> I wasn't able to attend, so maybe someone else can tell us whether we missed the boat. >>>>> Probably so. 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URL: From wjdrake Fri Feb 27 10:39:38 2015 From: wjdrake (William Drake) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:39:38 +0100 Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] My answers to the CWG-IANA questions In-Reply-To: <54ECC654.1090109@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <6905de5a0aef4be8817c5647c0da6f01@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <54DACC10.2050405@gmx.net> <54EBFEA3.9080007@mail.utoronto.ca> <54EBBCF7.2040609@acm.org> <54EBC134.5040807@acm.org> <54EC78B3.9080007@cdt.org> <54EBCDF5.10000@acm.org> <54ECC654.1090109@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: I don?t have a vote, but on the Google doc expressed support for the integrated model developed by Avri Matt Brenden. BD > On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > > Just to be clear, My quibble is just to raise it, I would go with Milton's statement. > On 2015-02-23 20:03, Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Well Milton has already given them as if they were our opinions, so that would be consistent. but we need to deal failry with the dissenting voices. Would not do to have out NCSG statement publicly rebuked by those NCSG members who disagree. Would not be fair to them either. >> >> I will abstain from this decision and accept whatever way it goes. I have become the saleperson for the Integrated proposal and since these comments endorse that proposal am somewhat cautious of supporting it. >> >> avri >> >> On 24-Feb-15 21:46, Amr Elsadr wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just sent a response to the discuss list before reading these emails. I certainly agree that the responses need to be (or at least appear to be) consolidated. Right now, they kind of seem all over the place. >>> >>> We have no SOP detailed in our charter on how to achieve rough consensus on the policy committee. I would like to think that the PC members take into consideration what they?ve heard from members before deciding what to endorse as NCSG input to a process, and what not to. >>> >>> My suggestion would be to send in Milton?s initial responses. That is my view, because I personally largely agree with them, in addition to numerous members indicating their agreement. >>> >>> There are other comments provided in the google doc, that aren?t necessarily in conflict with Milton?s. If anyone would like to work on consolidating them, they?re welcome to have a go at it. At some point, the PC members will need a hard deadline to show support or lack of. Avri?, can you give guidance on when we need to submit these comments? >>> >>> Lastly, in term of the dissenting/conflicting comments; as far as I can tell, there hasn?t been much support for them unless I?ve missed something. They seem to be the views of only one NCSG member, who is also a member of the CWG representing ALAC. His views are consistent with theirs, and the ALAC and NCSG views have been notoriously conflicting since the CWG started its discussions. I see no need whatsoever in NCSG being required to include the ALAC view in its responses. I?m pretty sure they won?t include ours. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Amr >>> >>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Shears > wrote: >>> >>>> I am comfortable with Milton's answers as supported by numerous +1s. Of course there are some dissenting views. Not sure what the mechanisms are for taking this forward. >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> On 2/24/2015 12:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>> hi, >>>>> >>>>> So how we get a coherent set of answers at this point is beyond me. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I am too close at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> Somehow we need to come up with a single answer, not sure there is much value in sending in a mixed view. I do not see a single view at this point. But perhaps others can see one. >>>>> >>>>> Chair how do you want to handle this? >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 24-Feb-15 07:51, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> As I had indicated earlier, I had been collecting responses in a Drive doc: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U72dVBIuwU3eq8K1e3DWstXNZLOCpcB4YFvKmqHCHQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>> >>>>>> No one has commented there in a few days, though we have seen some +1s on the list for Milton's position >>>>>> >>>>>> I am copying the NCSG Policy Committee on this asking what they want to do. A few of people have stood up for Milton's responses perhaps with a few quibbles, and he did already offer them as the NCSG positon in the live session. On the other hand a few people have indicated some disagreement with his responses. >>>>>> >>>>>> While it is late, responses could still be submitted. >>>>>> >>>>>> avri >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PC-NCSG mailing list >>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PC-NCSG mailing list >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg > > _______________________________________________ > PC-NCSG mailing list > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg ********************************************************* William J. 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Like I said before, the output of this working group will very likely lead to multiple new processes by which the GNSO works including amendments to the ICANN bylaws. Not light reading, but certainly worth a look. Thanks. Amr Begin forwarded message: > From: Marika Konings > Subject: [council] Extension of public comment forum deadline for Policy & Implementation Initial Recommendations Report > Date: February 27, 2015 at 9:35:49 PM GMT+1 > To: Council GNSO > > Dear All, > > Please note that the public comment forum on the GNSO Policy & Implementation Working Group Initial Recommendations Report has been extended to Tuesday 17 March at 23:59 UTC. You can find all the details about the report and how to provide your input here: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/policy-implementation-2015-01-19-en. > > Best regards, > > Marika -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: