[PC-NCSG] Proposal for public comments process improvement

Tue Dec 22 06:20:44 EET 2015

Hi,

I do not know that this group could ever adhere to such a strict
schedule.  Might be fun to watch us try.

But I do think that a document that hasn't been reviewed by the Discuss
list in at least in its penultimate for a last call of at least a few
days should not be able to go as an NCSG comment.

Yes, this was on a fast schedule, but there several days of PC review
that should have also been Discuss list review.   Additionally we must
have an explicit opportunity for dissenting opinions to be appended -
the same criteria we demand of other groups.  Adhering to a few criteria
would be a start.

And if we had not had time for a proper NCSG review, perhaps we should
have done what the IPC did and told them it was coming in a few days.
Some of our number are among the most vocal when it comes to demanding
we mustn't rush if that does not lead to the right result. 

avri

On 21-Dec-15 21:19, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> hi everyone,
>
>
> I was thinking since a while that NCSG should have more clarity about
> the process to manage, plan and build responses to public comments. we
> had so many public comments lately, and in several occasions many in
> same time period. we cannot respond to everything but we can try to be
> more efficient and avoid (or lessen at least) the pressure.
>
> I am proposing a kind of straw-man to kick-off  the discussion here .
> While I want to focus on the public comments process, I am also making
> some suggestion about the NCSG PC work. so it is a mix.
>
>
> 1- NCSG PC should follow a timeline template for any public comment it
> wants to respond: except the CCWG report, the usual duration for
> public comment is 41 days, so we can use that as frame
>
> a timeline will include some milestones where NCSG PC has to act
> and/or make decision. we will track that with some tools (see below)
> showing each step. it will help us to move more or less from the
> ad-hoc approach .
>
> to do some project management, tracking deadlines and volunteers, we
> can use this
> board https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2015
> and this
> one https://trello.com/b/m2ec54mI/ncsg-policy-discussions-tracker  (we
> can add here the different milestones or steps and having the status)
>
> As timeline for example:
>
>   * Day 1-3 : NCSG PC either initiate a discussion or receive a
>     request from NCSG member to cover a public comment here
>     https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public (there are other
>     request such as WG sending request for feedback, GNSO council etc
>     for those we can adapt the process). Adding the public comment as
>     task into our tracking tool.
>
>   * Day 4 : when a public comment is considered as priority for NCSG,
>     the PC should make call for volunteers explaining why the comment
>     is critical and giving some context ( those active in WG and/or
>     gNSO council can help here by providing a brief), create a google
>     doc, etherpad or any other tool adapted to drafting and
>     co-authoring. the document/link should be shared in NCSG-DISCUSS
>     list with the announcement. 
>
> we should get lead pen holder(s) who can make a first straw-man to get
> people to give input and outline/highlights the areas of concerns or
> interests for NCSG 
>
>   * Day 7 organizing a webinar if needed or add the public comment
>     initial discussion to NCSG policy call (if it is not late), or at
>     least initiate the discussion in the mailing list
>   * Day 21: getting a first draft, asking NCSG members and NCSG PC
>     members for comments to make the edits and resolve any concerns.
>
>   * Day 28 a second draft is available , another optional webinar can
>     be suggested 
>   * Day 30 call for consensus within NCSG list to be initiated by NCSG
>     or PC chair(s)
>   * Day 37 NCSG PC to evaluate the consensus, solve any remaining concerns
>   * Day 40 submission of there is rough consensus. allowing the
>     addition of minority statement (we should work to resolve any
>     concerns from the beginning and reaching consensus). submission to
>     be done by NCSG or PC chair(s) .
>
>
> The timeline can be tweaked of course and other milestones added or
> removed here. looking for your suggestions.
> regarding the drafting and resolving concerns, we may need to discuss
> about some guidelines here e.g. giving rationale for edits, doing some
> polling in some cases etc
>
> 2- for other possible statement they are not public comments per se.
> we can shorten the timeline and consider a "fast-track" here
> the main milestones should be identifying a lead, consult NCSG list
> and having a deadline to evaluate the consensus.
> example:
>
>   * Day 1 receiving request for feedback form WG A
>   * Day 2 NCSG PC ask for volunteer to work on response (better to get
>     someone involved in the WG already)
>   * Day Deadline-7 days  call for consensus in NCSG and PC list
>   * Deadline sending the response
>
> we can follow the same template for call for volunteers for
> appointments to cross-community working group or drafting team
> we can add other cases where PC should act such endorsement to review
> teams
>
> 3- regarding PC work: I have concern that we tend to count on chairs
> only to handle the work. I do think that the whole PC should be
> proactive. 
>
> one suggestion would to get  PC member (or expert member) to take the
> lead of one policy area (areas to be identified) that will be ongoing
> in coming months : new gTLD, Right protection mechanisms review (e.g.
> UDRP), whois/RDS,  ICANN accountability, GNSO procedures or SCI  (we
> can find more in the GNSO project list).
>
> he/she will follow closely the progress in that area, alert if there
> is anything coming for PC to consider, giving short briefing and
> update, optionally coordinate with other members active or expert  in
> the PDP e.g. members in the WG
> We should also ensure that we are getting updates from those involved
> in the different working groups and also our representatives. same for
> NCSG GNSO councillors
>
> we also tend to discuss mostly in NCSG confcall, maybe we need to
> explore if there are other ways to discuss and do planning more
> regularly e.g. doing some planning every Monday for example via mail
> thread to check the status of comments drafting, any new public
> comment to consider etc. planning should be a continuous activity
> here, to be lead by the PC chair. 
>
> we don't need some heaving planning or project management here but
> ensuring that we get a process and enough people to do so. of course,
> all these should be documented in our wiki space.
> if people are ok to start the discussion, I will be happy to copy the
> straw-man to google doc to make it more easier to capture comments.
> Maryam or me can add you to trello.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
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