[PC-NCSG] [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we all have time for

Tue Aug 11 11:32:04 EEST 2015

Tony was just a fill in this year and, as I understand it, is not interested in Chair and may not be returning to Council next year.

I like Heather personally and the idea of taking away one of two IPC Council voices during the upcoming debates (Chairs have to at least pretend to be neutral) is appealing but I feel Heather is far too narrow in terms of personality and perspective to be an effective Council leader in this time of change. I'd encourage people to wait for elections in the other House to see who exactly will be on Council next year. I'm expecting someone will emerge who both would be willing to be a candidate and I believe would be more than acceptable to most, if not all, of us but it's premature to name him or her on a public list. I see no reason to prefer someone from the NCPH out of House loyalty: the day one of our members is acceptable to the IPC as Chair is the day we can all go home because Hell will hath frozen over and the end is near.

That said, Amr is someone who would be acceptable to more than a few CSG and CPH members. Although I certainly wouldn't wish the responsibilities of the job on any sane and personable individual if he were willing to stand as a placeholder he would find some support elsewhere, although I expect not enough to get the job. Failure to reach agreement on a candidate from amongst those returning to Council I believe would lead to the emergence of a candidate from new, although ICANN experienced, Council members that would be in our best interest.

Sorry for being so cryptic - I don't want to put a name out there and be accused of interfering in an ongoing election process in another SG group.  Happy to discuss off list until the election results are final.

Ed

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> On Aug 11, 2015, at 7:59 AM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What about Tony Holmes, who has always been a straight shooter, neutral and friendly to us?  Too retired-feeling for your tastes?
> 
> I don?t know Heather well and yes she did seem reasonable but given all the history with IPC I do have trouble getting my head around this. It is absolutely inconceivable that they in turn would ever support a NCSG person for chair?
> 
> BD
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree, for what it is worth.  I think it is going to be especially difficult for her, as a relative newcomer, to stay neutral.  However I do agree with Avri's assessment and if it came down to having Heather, we could do a lot worse.  and given that risk we need to ponder any rejection of her very carefully.
>> I also factor in the fact that she is very strong, and a lawyer.  If I am going to pick a fight with a potentially non-neutral Chair, I would prefer a weaker one, if you follow my somewhat convoluted logic.
>> Cheers Steph
>> 
>>> On 2015-08-10 13:55, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>> Yeah?, like I said, I like Heather a lot too. I?ve also attended a GNSO WG newcomers webinar that she presented in, and she really does know the PDP manual backwards.
>>> 
>>> Which is kinda why I was surprised she took a strange position on the motion to request an issues report for the new gTLD round (and the suggested amendment to that motion). It seemed inconsistent with what I believe her to know about what issue reports are, and what should go into them.
>>> 
>>> My concern is that in situations like this (or others), being an IPC rep with a special interest in how the GNSO is managed will trump the individual councillor?s knowledge of what may or may not be the best course of action to take.
>>> 
>>> I may be reading too much into this, but just sayin?.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Amr
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I support Heather as a candidate.  I have seen her operate as a neutral
>>>> chair and think she is good at it.
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, despite IPC being IPC, they do have very reasonable
>>>> people as their reps.
>>>> 
>>>> avri
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10-Aug-15 09:54, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They refused to honor it and it became an ombudsman issue.  We then
>>>>>> agreed to let them keep the seat for another year and put in David as an
>>>>>> anodyne candidate the year after.
>>>>> OK. Thanks. That will give (at least) me some guidance on what circumstances I would agree to if we go ahead with rotations.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW, have you all been discussing the chair candidacy?  Will we have a
>>>>>> reasonable candidate to propose?
>>>>> That?s a good question. The NCPH can make one nomination. To my knowledge, NCSG and CSG have not agreed on one. I wouldn?t be surprised if we have a new chair from the CPH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I?m not mistaken, there has been an informal suggestion that Heather Forrest be a NCPH nominee. I really do like her a lot, but can?t say I would feel too good about an IPC member chairing the council. I suspect they feel the same way about us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Amr
>>>> 
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