[PC-NCSG] resending the GNSO documents
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin
Sun Aug 2 17:40:53 EEST 2015
Me too. I had already indicated that to Klaus, but forgot to ask if he
were interested in endorsements. Duh. As you say, many of us are in
the middle of summer (holiday weekend here in Ontario) and are a bit
distracted.
cheers Steph
On 2015-08-02 7:05, Edward Morris wrote:
> I also support Klaus' statement.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Respectfully, Ed?, I will have to disagree with you. I?m perfectly fine with NCSG supporting your submission. Personally, I certainly agree with its intent and reasoning. If I had more time, I would have also liked to address the deficient methods used in this study, and perhaps made comparisons to other more thoroughly conducted ones, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
>>
>> I?ve noted two objections to endorsements so far:
>>
>> 1. Ed objecting to endorsement of his own statement by the NCSG PC
>>
>> 2. Klaus objecting to endorsement of comments on this topic by the NCSG PC (in the absence of a broader discussion with NCSG membership).
>>
>> The public comment forum seems to still be accepting email submissions, so we still have an opportunity to endorse comments. I?m not sure how long this window of opportunity will last. I am also aware that we are on a weekend in the middle of summer, which may limit participation in this discussion. Sam has already indicated that he is offline.
>>
>> However, what I would like to do is propose a hard deadline to endorsements or objections to endorsements as of tomorrow (August 3rd) at UTC 20:00.
>>
>> All comments are available for review here: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/
>>
>> So far, we have been discussing the endorsement of three comments by Stephanie, Ed and myself. I have failed to note that Klaus has also submitted a statement of his own in his personal capacity that I would also very much like to support, so I will add it to the list of comments under consideration. Apologies for not doing this sooner. It was an oversight on my part. Klaus? comment can be found here: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/msg00010.html
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:43 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Amr,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words. What I liked most about your comment was you pointed out the downside of increased financial support. Merely giving more people trips does not necessarily translate into superior or more diverse output. The concept of increased F2F meetings on working groups: you correctly pointed out that may not be the way to go. Speaking personally, I wasn't caught up in my personal and professional lives from Buenos Aires before I had to go to Paris for the CCWG. The more travel they dump on us, the fewer of us who will be able to participate.
>>>
>>> I fully support PC endorsement of both your and Stephanie's comments. Thank you both so much for your hard work.
>>>
>>> Equally, I do not support PC endorsement of my comments. They are a bit too "provocative" as you called them, IMHO, for a respectful group to endorse and if Mr. Westlake is litigious I want him to pick on me and not anyone else. Of course, that might just be greed on my part. People who sue me not only tend to lose but they usually wind up having to pay me money. :)
>>>
>>> That said, if anyone wants to support the idea of a study re-do please feel free to do so on the comment forum. That, and putting Westlake Governance on the "no hire" list at ICANN, were the two objectives of my comment and DIDP request.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Amr Elsadr" <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 1:19 PM
>>> To: avri at acm.org
>>> Cc: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
>>> Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] resending the GNSO documents
>>>
>>> So am I. Would be good to hear from others here as well. On a personal, I thought Ed?s submission was quite provoking. Certainly worth a read. Thanks for that, Ed.
>>>
>>> Might also be worth looking at the summary of comments from sessions at ICANN 53 (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/pdfdG81WdzuPx.pdf). As far as I can tell, transcripts of all of our interactions in BA with the Westlake team are present in a spreadsheet along with their responses. I hope those will be considered by Westlake and the working party while formulating the final report.
>>>
>>> For the time being, can we have a show of hands indicating support or lack of for the following comments:
>>>
>>> Stephanie?s: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/msg00014.html
>>>
>>> Ed?s: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/msg00013.html
>>>
>>> Mine: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/pdfjkahfPFXN2.pdf
>>>
>>> Thanks again to everyone.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yep, that would work.
>>>> as ong as you have buy in.
>>>>
>>>> i'm in.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>> On 01-Aug-15 13:49, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is also my understanding, although I am not sure how to go about doing it. Submission of emails to the comment forum is still open. I suppose that if we decide to, Rafik (or I) could send an email to the forum stating that the NCSG endorses on or more of the three comments submitted by our members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amr
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW if our chair and others wish we could still sumit, even late, and
>>>>>> endorsement of the comments that were filed by our members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-15 01:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>> Off it goes then....
>>>>>>> cheers sp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 18:54, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok here is the amended version. Any other signatures? I put down
>>>>>>>> me, avri, ed and James. Anybody else ready to sign on? Looks a wee
>>>>>>>> bit lame....
>>>>>>>> cheers SP
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 18:37, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> thanks Avri, I will put your name down. all those who want their
>>>>>>>>> name on it please let me know, sending v soon....time is up.
>>>>>>>>> cheers steph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 18:32, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been too focused on other stutff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and though i know it is too late,
>>>>>>>>>> I am fine with NCSG sending in an endorsement of the 2 comments.
>>>>>>>>>> or whatever was already done.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for doing all this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-15 00:22, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank Ed, good catch. Since NCUC and I both sent comments on the
>>>>>>>>>>> methodology, and we are only doing this now as me with signatories, I
>>>>>>>>>>> shall refer to them both.
>>>>>>>>>>> cheers SP
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 18:11, Edward Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd first like to thank Klaus for the work he did on his personal
>>>>>>>>>>>> comment on this matter. First rate and I agree with most of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for doing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to endorse this document, Steph, despite my misgivings
>>>>>>>>>>>> about taking anything Westlake does seriously. The only minor point
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that the NCSG did not previously, to the best of my knowledge,
>>>>>>>>>>>> submit comments on the first draft. That was done by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> constituencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all of your work on this Stephanie.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From*: "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To*: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [PC-NCSG] resending the GNSO documents
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough, can we gather a list of folks who will sign on?
>>>>>>>>>>>> SP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 14:51, Klaus Stoll wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Stephanie and Friends
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand and appreciate all the hard work that has been done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this document. However, I feel that I can not agree on that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> document is send as the position of the whole NCSG. It simply has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not been discussed broadly enough and just the members of the PC is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enough for such an important letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no objection that the letter is forwarded with signatures on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a personal basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2015 1:03 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New version of the 2 pager folks, I have incorporated James' edits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and added a mini paragraph acknowledging that the first 19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendations do attempt to deal with worker burnout ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for the rapid turnaround James!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers SP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 12:51, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us say that at UTC 23:00 I will send them in as personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments, if we have not achieved concensus on them yet. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 6 hours from now folks, achieving consensus is doable if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks try....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers Steph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-07-31 11:34, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Stephanie. I?m going through these now. May I ask other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of the PC to also go through the documents Stephanie has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided, and give feedback and indicate whether or not they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support these as NCSG submissions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently some did not receive this yesterday, my apologies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were sent at 17:33 and 23:18 yesterday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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