[PC-NCSG] Consensus check on Re: [] [] NCSG position regarding by-laws change for GAC advice

Mon Sep 22 15:23:22 EEST 2014

Hi everyone,

I think this document is ready for consensus call, hope the PC chairs can
do it asap

Rafik

2014-09-18 7:12 GMT+09:00 Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>:

> Hi again,
>
> Made some changes to the document based on feedback. I exchanged ?less
> private sector-led? to ?less community-driven? in the first paragraph
> (although not completely convinced with this).
>
> Also took the part about some of the GAC members representing
> authoritarian regimes out of the fourth paragraph. Some rationale provided
> in comments on the document.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>
> Great. I?m fine with those two.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> My inclination
>
> On 17-Sep-14 16:33, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The ones I liked that weren?t by NCSG members were the ones by:
>
> The Internet Commerce Association submitted by Phil Corwin
> (
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00012.html
> )
>
>
> i do not support this one. Has an implication that paying money is
> relevant.  also seems to deny that governments are stakeholders like
> everyone wwesle (I know we don't all agree wtih this)
>
> Blacknight submitted by Michele Neylon
> (
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00036.html
> )
>
>
> not this one either.
> he refers to Corwin whose comment i dont endorse.
>
> but we might want to endorse thee Internet Infrastructure he refers to.
>
>
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00032.html
>
> and
>
> Tucows submitted by Graeme Bunton
> (
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00038.html
> )
>
>
> i agree with this one.
>
> avri
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think we would need to read and agree.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 17-Sep-14 11:51, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>
> Sounds good. Would that include non-NCSG comments we might want
> to approve of? Or would that be too big a reading assignment?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> I approve.
>
> We may want to include in the cover note that this is sent in
> response and support of previous comments and then enumerate
> any we agree with.
>
> That we have followed the response rule.  I recommend leaving
> the stmt as is.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 17-Sep-14 09:48, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can we get this comment approved and submitted soon. There
> have only been a couple of minor changes; mostly just
> language.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
> wrote:
>
> Great catch, Carlos. Slipped my mind. Thanks for that.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 15, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
> <carlosraulg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Only one additional comment: there is already a direct
> liaison between GNSO and GAC to ensure early and active
> communication and engagement.
>
> Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez Chair ISOC Costa Rica Chapter
> _____________________
>
> email:    crg at isoc-cr.org Skype:   carlos.raulg +506 8335
> 2487
>
> La Internet Society (ISOC) es una organizaci?n
> internacional sin fines de lucro fundada en 1992 para
> proporcionar liderazgo en est?ndares relacionados
> educaci?n y pol?tica de Internet. Con oficinas en
> Washington DC, Estados Unidos, y en Ginebra, Suiza, busca
> asegurar el desarrollo, la evoluci?n y la utilizaci?n de
> Internet en beneficio de las personas en todo el mundo.
>
> El 15/09/2014, a las 08:58, Amr Elsadr
> <aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG> escribi?:
>
> Hi,
>
> I?ve tried to capture the essence of the different
> comments submitted by NCSG members including, Milton,
> Robin, Ed, Avri, Wisdom and my own. I don?t know if it
> does them all justice, but I?ve posted it here:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>
> If I?ve missed any other comments submitted by NCSG members, please let
>
> me know.
>
>
> The document is open for viewing and editing, but it?d
> be helpful if folks highlighted and commented on
> proposed changes so I can keep track of them.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 12, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Amr Elsadr
> <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I could try to consolidate the comments submitted by
> NCSG members into one document and see if folks like
> it. I believe that they all cover different and
> important aspects of why the proposed by-laws
> amendment is really bad!!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks Avri again for submitting your contribution
> and sharing it with us. we had discussion within
> NCSG list about the proposal and maybe it is time
> to summarise a common position on that matter. we
> need volunteer(s) to collect the opinions shared in
> the list and draft a comment for review.  the
> deadline is 14th september but we have still the
> reply period we can use to submit our comment.
>
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/bylaws-amend-gac-advice-2014-08-15-en
>
>
>
>
>
> @Amr @Kathy you participated in the discussion is it possible to
>
> volunteer for drafting a NCSG contribution?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Avri
> Doria <avri at acm.org> Date: 2014-09-09 3:23
> GMT+09:00 Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Submitted
> individual comment on GAC advice amendment To:
> NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I submitted an individual comment.
>
>
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00017.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> avri
>
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