[PC-NCSG] Joint SO/AC/SG Leaders' Statement on the IANA Globalization Progress?
William Drake
wjdrake
Tue Mar 18 12:24:08 EET 2014
Hi
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you disagree with the stmt?
As I said on the list I?d have thought it more strategic to hold off on pushing the new principle until we get into discussions of how, as there is still a lot of discontent about whether in other silos and this ups the ante ex ante. And I?d have lost some of the tone that I know will be poorly received in some quarters, don?t see the value. But whatever, if everyone else thinks it?s good to do it this way, I don?t have the bandwidth to debate it, I?m flying today. Anyway I?m just a constituency chair and have no vote on the PC.
> It that what you are saying.
I was addressing the procedural more than the substantive.
>
> So, at the point that you see something as important, you want to take the decision away from the PC.
This of course is not what I?m saying. I said it?d be nice to include the wider membership in the discussion before deciding.
> Having rethought things, I agree, we must withhold approval of the Leaders stmt until the wording is satisfactory.
If by leaders you mean the rest of the ICANN community then ok.
> On rereading I am also troubled that it may be indicating that only those 4 priunciples are needed, and that I simply cannot agree with. I would need some Inter alia sort of wording on the principles.
>
> So please, ignore my previous agrement with the stmt. I had a weak moment as was just go along with the leaders. I am thankful the error of my ways has been illustrated.
>
> avri
>
> On 17-Mar-14 15:48, William Drake wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it is more important to get an NCSG stmt out than to wait for the Leaders to do one.
>>
>> The silo leads are consulting with their respective groups on language, which is how it should be, and in response proposing revisions. I?d like to see the same thing happening here, frankly. Nobody reads the PC list, including it seems some of the PC. An issue of this magnitude should not be handled in the same manner as a council motion on procedural arcana etc. We should consult more broadly rather than just going off what and doing what a few people want.
>>
>> I don?t see the argument for rushing, especially since the vast majority of our members probably have not read and thought through the relevant proposals. It?s a moment that be leveraged to try to get broader engagement and buy in, and there?s no pressure to be the first silo into the pool.
>>>
>>> And i think it is more important to make the extra point thant to accept the lowest common denominator.
>>
>> If so, then why not propose language to that effect into the SOAC process in the same way the others are? See if there?s support for it.
>>>
>>> So if the idea is to wait until the leaders have made up their mind, and thus delay, I say never mind, just send the NCSG stmt.
>>
>> Misconstruction of the process.
>>>
>>> And if Amr is right, then don't bother signing the Leader's stmt. I did not see the issue.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Mar-14 14:52, William Drake wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I think Amr?s right about the thinking behind "transition key Internet
>>>> domain name functions to the global multistakeholder community.?
>>>>
>>>> Insofar as this statement could be read as at odds with the one being
>>>> pushed within NCSG, I?m not clear how we could endorse both. In any
>>>> event, you might want to hold of and see how things evolve rather than
>>>> rush; the world doesn?t need to hear from us before anyone else.
>>>> Different groups in the SO/AC are proposing amendments and the text is
>>>> not stable.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG
>>>> <mailto:aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a question. The first paragraph stating that:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We, the signatories to this statement, welcome the announcement by
>>>>>> the U.S. Commerce Department?s National Telecommunications and
>>>>>> Information Administration (NTIA) to transition key Internet domain
>>>>>> name functions to the global multistakeholder community, a
>>>>>> development that was envisaged since the early days of the Internet
>>>>>> Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) functions contract.
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn?t this a little different than saying that we welcome the
>>>>> announcement, and the opportunity for the global mulistakeholder
>>>>> community to collectively develop a proposal/plan for the transition,
>>>>> rather than a transition TO THE global multistakeholder community?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wondering if I?m reading it right or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amr
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marie-Laure,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Hope we got endorsement soon, also being synchronized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2014 12:53 AM, "marie-laure Lemineur"
>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to discuss this at our excom level. But I think we will
>>>>>> join, since we already issued a statement, if we want to be
>>>>>> consistent we should also support this statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will let you know in the course of the day-.
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mll
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> proposal for statement to be signed by SO/AC/SG "leaders" .
>>>>>> reviewing it, I think that I can sign it and hope to get
>>>>>> support from you on this matter. we will need the
>>>>>> cross-community work in the coming months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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