[PC-NCSG] CSG decision regarding our candidate
Avri Doria
avri
Tue Jun 3 00:03:51 EEST 2014
Hi,
This was not part of the deal and it is not something I support.
avri
On 02-Jun-14 21:05, Klaus Stoll wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just to make my position clear again. Avri had her chance to be elected,
> her chances to be supported by the CSG where as high or even lower as
> Sams are now to be supported by the CSG. Was this then also "a poor use
> of our precious few resources?" (Rafik). What is now different when it
> comes to Sam? This is a question of fairness! We can not judge what
> happens before it actually takes place.
> As a second thought. We had an agreement in the NCSG about Sams
> nomination following Avri. I agreed and voted consistently on that basis
> for Avri giving her as much chances as was possible for me. It seems as
> the NCUC candidate did not make it, the rules changed and all sorts of
> lame excuses are made. Are we accepting now that the CSG is dictating to
> us to ditch a candidate that has not even appeared on the ballot. If
> that is the case I recommend, to make long things short, that we just
> ask the CSG for their candidate and promise to vote for it. The end
> effect is the same!.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> On 6/2/2014 7:10 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi Joy,
>>
>> for the end of game, it depends which election process we will agree
>> with CSG , I suspect that they may suggest what they already proposed
>> for next elections (when they thought we could elect a board member
>> with the first 3 rounds), it seems more complex version of what Avri
>> proposed
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-06-02 14:22 GMT+09:00 joy <joy at apc.org <mailto:joy at apc.org>>:
>>
>> thanks for the updates - as Stephanie requests, yes, it would be
>> good to
>> have reasons
>> Klaus, I also do not understand the rationale of proposing a candidate
>> that CSG has made clear they will not support - is this not a poor use
>> of our precious few resources?
>> meanwhile, any thoughts on the end game here?
>>
>> joy
>>
>> On 2/06/2014 5:20 a.m., Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>> > why not, did they give a reason?
>> > steph
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org
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>> <pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org
>> <mailto:pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org>> on behalf of Amr Elsadr
>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>
>> > Sent: June 1, 2014 12:01 PM
>> > To: Avri Doria
>> > Cc: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] CSG decision regarding our candidate
>> >
>> > From what I can tell, the CSG have clearly indicated that they
>> will not support Sam. Is there any reason to believe that there
>> may be a splinter constituency within them that we don't know about?
>> >
>> > If not, I don't understand the rationale behind putting Sam up
>> in a vote against a candidate of theirs. Klaus..., could you
>> please elaborate on this?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Amr
>> >
>> > Sent from mobile
>> >
>> >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps he did not have a chance for stray votes, just as i
>> never had a
>> >> chance to go up against NOTA in a third round. He was selected
>> as the
>> >> compromise candidate and that did not work. Now we move on.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we disagree.
>> >> This is something the rest of the PC will have to weigh in on.
>> >>
>> >> avri
>> >>
>> >>> On 01-Jun-14 16:53, Klaus Stoll wrote:
>> >>> Dear Colleagues
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 6/1/2014 2:44 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I do not think that makes sense. We already know that he is
>> not going
>> >>>> to get their votes.
>> >>> to get their votes.
>> >>>
>> >>> I very strongly disagree with this! You had your chance to see
>> if there
>> >>> are any stray votes, Sam has the same right to have a chance
>> to collect
>> >>> stray votes. In fact I have a feeling that he might be able to
>> pick 2
>> >>> votes up, he was well received by some.
>> >>>> First we need to come to a mutual decide that none of the
>> previous
>> >>>> candidates are qualified to run.
>> >>> Agree, on the other side, why should we allow Bill to take the due
>> >>> process hostage?
>> >>>> Then CSG and NCSG pick 2 new candidates
>> >>> See above, much too early! Sam needs to have his day!
>> >>>> And we come up with a procedure that terminates - like the one i
>> >>>> suggested.
>> >>> We should discuss this, but nothing is agreed and decided!
>> >>>
>> >>> Yours
>> >>>
>> >>> Klaus
>> >>>> avri
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 01-Jun-14 15:29, Klaus Stoll wrote:
>> >>>>> Dear Friends
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Greetings. We should be disappointed but not beaten. We
>> should still put
>> >>>>> Sam up as a candidate and have one if not three round of
>> votes on him.
>> >>>>> We might be n for a pleasant surprise.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yours
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Klaus
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 5/30/2014 11:54 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi Everybody,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Steve Metalitz just informed me that CSG cannot support Sam
>> candidate.
>> >>>>>> I am really for Sam and definitely don't like bringing
>> those kind of
>> >>>>>> news.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> we shouldn't wait for CSG to come with proposals and we
>> should be more
>> >>>>>> proactive in this regard.
>> >>>>>> first thing is to agree about deadline to elect board
>> member to impose
>> >>>>>> some visibility. agree on election process. I don't know if
>> they will
>> >>>>>> propose to meet in London but I would like the NCSG PC to
>> work on that
>> >>>>>> before.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> looking to hear your comments.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rafik
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>> From: *Metalitz, Steven* <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>
>> <mailto:met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>>
>> >>>>>> Date: 2014-05-31 6:11 GMT+09:00
>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription
>> - 19 May
>> >>>>>> 2014
>> >>>>>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rafik,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I wanted to let you know that on our call today, CSG
>> concluded that we
>> >>>>>> cannot support Sam as a Board candidate at this time. We are
>> >>>>>> continuing to explore further options for moving forward.
>> I will let
>> >>>>>> you know as soon as we have something further to propose.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Steve
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>]
>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:56 PM
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven
>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco
>> Transcription - 19
>> >>>>>> May 2014
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve, so we will wait then for the final decision.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rafik
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2014-05-24 4:01 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
>> <mailto:met at msk.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We had a CSG leadership call on this today and are
>> undertaking further
>> >>>>>> consultation within our constituencies on a couple of
>> points. We are
>> >>>>>> to meet again next Friday.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Steve
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>]
>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:56 PM
>> >>>>>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven
>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco
>> Transcription - 19
>> >>>>>> May 2014
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi Steve,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> is it possible to know when CSG will respond to us about Sam
>> >>>>>> candidature?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rafik
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2014-05-21 9:53 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak
>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rafik
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2014-05-21 4:36 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
>> <mailto:met at msk.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rafik,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> For circulation to NCSG.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Steve
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Nathalie Peregrine
>> [mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
>> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
>> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>>]
>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:48 AM
>> >>>>>> To: Rosette, Kristina; Metalitz, Steven; tony holmes
>> >>>>>> (tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
>> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
>> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>); Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
>> >>>>>> (Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>>);
>> >>>>>> Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com
>> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com
>> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>>; marilynscade at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>; harris at cabase.org.ar
>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>>
>> >>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
>> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>> Subject: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription - 19
>> May 2014
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dear all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Please find attached the transcript of the CSG call
>> held with Sam
>> >>>>>> Lanfranco on May 19th 2014.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Kind regards
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Nathalie
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
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