[PC-NCSG] Time to elect a new chair and alternate chair(s)

[Amr Elsadr]

Apologies about the confusion. Wasn?t my intent to complicate this at all.

I don?t think we should restrict any member of this committee from being able to run for chair. I personally don?t mind nominations or self-nominations. Election of chair should be via PC members votes.

In the event that we decide on having two vice chairs, I would suggest that they be approved by consensus of the NCSG-PC. I?m also open to other ideas on this; perhaps by constituency EC or policy committee (in the case of NPOC) appointments/decisions. I think leaving this up to an internal constituency process might not be so bad. Apart from assisting the NCSG-PC chair in his/her duties, I feel that the connect between policy statements on the constituency level and the NCSG-PC level is very important. In that light, constituencies deciding who this person is through internal (constituency) processes isn?t such a bad idea.

In the event that a constituency appointed NCSG-PC member is elected as the committee chair, then obviously the other appointee would need to fill in one of the two vice-chair positions. We do, however, have a larger pool of committee members representing the NCSG as a whole as options for the chair role (unless we have more constituencies in the NCSG in the future).

If this is all too complicated and folks would like to keep it simple, I don?t mind at all. I?m just trying to figure out a recipe to assign constructive functions to these positions, as opposed to just titles.

Thanks.

Amr

On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am confused.
> 
> What do you think we should be doing now.  Process wise.
> 
> Also do you think that the chair should be one of the C appointed members.  I have considered that, but was wondering if you included that thought.
> 
> And I agree, the charter just says we have to have  a chair and it can't be the SG chair.  Other than that we are free to discuss and do as we please in the absence of there being an EC defined process - which it is in their power to create.
> 
> perhaps we should ask them what to do and force them to create a process for us.
> 
> thanks
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 29-Jan-14 12:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> I should have clarified that what I meant by one from each constituency is one of each of the PC members appointed by the constituencies.
>> 
>> The bottom line is I feel it would be helpful to have a connect between the NCSG-PC and policy decision-making mechanisms in both NC constituencies. Still?, either model would probably work out well, and could be changed in the future if deemed necessary.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Amr
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I figured that having at least one from each C would be the result of the process I offered.  Not necessarily one Alternate, 'cause one might be the chair.
>>> 
>>> That is: assume that at least one would be nominated from each C and that person would get at least one vote.
>>> 
>>> How would this process work?:
>>> 
>>> We could just pick the chair with the vote and let each of the C decide who they wanted to serve as a-char.  i.e. the g-council method.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for something more collegial, but i am cool with that model.
>>> 
>>> Now we have two models and a discussion, what do others want.  is there a third model?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> avri
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29-Jan-14 11:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>> Hi Avri,
>>>> 
>>>> I still believe there is some merit in the idea of having two alternates - one from each constituency (regardless of who the chair is). This will hopefully help with fast-tracking responses to policy statements amongst other duties.
>>>> 
>>>> I would suggest voting for the chair, and a rough consensus for alternates if this model is agreeable to others on the PC.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW?, there is nothing in the NCSG charter that prevents us from having more than one alternate or vice chair.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Amr
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok we are now at our full compliment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We need to (s)elect a new chair.
>>>>> And we need to (s)elect new alternate chair(s)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest we get started.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about,
>>>>> nominations until next Monday.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then a simple doodle poll of those who agree to be candidates, where the person who gets most is chair, and anyone else who gets a vote becomes an alternate chair.  We get one vote each.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There really is a lot of work to do so a few alternates who have signed up to be doers for a year, would not be bad thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The doodle poll can be run by one of the observers, like a past EC or PC chair or a past council member.  I recommend that it be done as a blind poll while in progress so we don't see anything but our own vote, with only the totals revealed (not who voted for whom) at the end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is just about as simple as I can think of and prevents the collegial deadly embrace we saw when both Maria and Rudi, politely deferred to each other for the chair role.  Having served as alternate chair for the last bit, I believe there is little difference between a chair and an alternate,  except that the chair is the one who is the address for any urgent issue and is the point of contact for other committees etc.  Also I believe it is important for the actual chair to take primary responsibility for making sure everything gets done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If people agree, I suggest that we start with nominations, including selfies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If people disagree, lets discuss how we want to do this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> avri
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have BCC'ed this to the EC-NCSG list and Rafik, as the EC is process oversight for PC-NCSG.  They don't need to react unless they think something is amiss in the process.  Having recently re-read the charter, I decided this is something we should do in this sort of case.
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