From aelsadr  Wed Apr  2 14:49:20 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:49:20 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] FInal Reports for last two Whois Studies
	published
References: <CF4F7A26.70D1%mary.wong@icann.org>
Message-ID: <F21ED0DC-8BB1-4B38-9E9A-E00046D04BFE@egyptig.org>

Hi,

This email was sent by Mary to the Council list a few weeks ago. I have admittedly not been able to look into it until recently.

I have gone through the responses to the comments we made on the privacy/proxy abuse study. Those are included in the study?s final report here: http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/39861

Thanks.

Amr

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> Subject: [council] FInal Reports for last two Whois Studies published
> Date: March 19, 2014 at 9:45:26 AM GMT+1
> To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> You and your constituents/groups may be interested to know that we have just published the Final Reports on Whois Privacy & Proxy Abuse and on Whois Misuse on the GNSO website: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/whois/studies. The Final Report on Privacy and Proxy Abuse can be accessed at http://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/pp-abuse-study-final-07mar14-en.pdf, and that for Whois Misuse at http://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/misuse-study-final-13mar14-en.pdf.
> 
> As you know, the preliminary reports for both studies were published in September and November 2013 respectively for public comment. A substantial number of comments were received, all of which were considered by both research teams (NPL & Dr. Richard Clayton for Privacy & Proxy; CMU's Cylab for Misuse). Both teams' Final Reports include additions and comments that address the public comments that were received.
> 
> As you also know, the publication of these two reports means that the series of studies commissioned by the GNSO Council that were intended to gather objective data regarding various aspects of Whois are now complete. The GNSO Council can now ? beginning with the planned update session in Singapore ? start to consider possible next steps in relation to these studies, in the broader context of the other policy work that is now going on with respect to Whois.
> 
> Cheers
> Mary
> 
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
> 
> * One World. One Internet. *

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From rafik.dammak  Sun Apr  6 09:26:43 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:26:43 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Comments on RAA data retention?
In-Reply-To: <B3AF260F-CC29-4B50-BC50-E38CF064A3B8@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <B3AF260F-CC29-4B50-BC50-E38CF064A3B8@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThk3uYr_=Tw_fT+oAQnSkb1r7eL1or_yaMyK6TgcAPSA2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stephanie,

learning from previous experience, we need someone to take the lead to
draft the first comment , expecting other PC members to read the report and
provide their feedback too.
the concrete questions are; who can volunteer and by when s/he can provide
the draft since the 21st April is the deadline to send the comment.
the draft can be a straw-man just to start from somewhere and involving all
PC members in the editing process.
@Maria/Rudi can you please add this to action item to be followed-up ?

Best Regards,

Rafik


2014-03-28 10:11 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:

> Are we planning to comment on this?
> https://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-21mar14-en.htm
> cheers stephanie
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From rafik.dammak  Sun Apr  6 09:34:59 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:34:59 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] FInal Reports for last two Whois
	Studies published
In-Reply-To: <F21ED0DC-8BB1-4B38-9E9A-E00046D04BFE@egyptig.org>
References: <CF4F7A26.70D1%mary.wong@icann.org>
	<F21ED0DC-8BB1-4B38-9E9A-E00046D04BFE@egyptig.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=v12gFCkkQEGG5AWLCpubRjmqeE94CqN2X5j+fkzY_QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amr,

Thanks for sharing this,
1- we have to wait for council decision for the next stepson those
studies?after that we can follow-up
2- can you please point to the link for the comments we made to add them in
wiki space (fro documentation purpose)
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments-Current
I hope that PC members use the wiki space and update it in regular basis
(please tell if you dont have a confluence account)

Best Regards,

Rafik

2014-04-02 20:49 GMT+09:00 Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>:

> Hi,
>
> This email was sent by Mary to the Council list a few weeks ago. I have
> admittedly not been able to look into it until recently.
>
> I have gone through the responses to the comments we made on the
> privacy/proxy abuse study. Those are included in the study?s final report
> here: http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/39861
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> *Subject: **[council] FInal Reports for last two Whois Studies published*
> *Date: *March 19, 2014 at 9:45:26 AM GMT+1
> *To: *"council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
>
> Dear all,
>
> You and your constituents/groups may be interested to know that we have
> just published the Final Reports on Whois Privacy & Proxy Abuse and on
> Whois Misuse on the GNSO website:
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/whois/studies. The Final
> Report on Privacy and Proxy Abuse can be accessed at
> http://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/pp-abuse-study-final-07mar14-en.pdf,
> and that for Whois Misuse at
> http://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/misuse-study-final-13mar14-en.pdf
> .
>
> As you know, the preliminary reports for both studies were published in
> September and November 2013 respectively for public comment. A substantial
> number of comments were received, all of which were considered by both
> research teams (NPL & Dr. Richard Clayton for Privacy & Proxy; CMU's Cylab
> for Misuse). Both teams' Final Reports include additions and comments that
> address the public comments that were received.
>
> As you also know, the publication of these two reports means that the
> series of studies commissioned by the GNSO Council that were intended to
> gather objective data regarding various aspects of Whois are now complete.
> The GNSO Council can now ? beginning with the planned update session in
> Singapore ? start to consider possible next steps in relation to these
> studies, in the broader context of the other policy work that is now going
> on with respect to Whois.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
>
> * One World. One Internet. *
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
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From maria.farrell  Sun Apr  6 09:40:50 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 07:40:50 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Comments on RAA data retention?
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk3uYr_=Tw_fT+oAQnSkb1r7eL1or_yaMyK6TgcAPSA2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3AF260F-CC29-4B50-BC50-E38CF064A3B8@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<CAH5sThk3uYr_=Tw_fT+oAQnSkb1r7eL1or_yaMyK6TgcAPSA2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdDu6pSeCjoB2nhyvoF7Sexd4u8Thd2rZYnUqB9N7Ld4nA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm en route back home finally & expect to get in tonight. As I had so much
to say about this issue during the meeting, I'll take the lead on drafting
and working with interested people to get a statement in.

(as well as catching up with MUCH other NCSG PC business).

Cheers all,


On 6 April 2014 07:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephanie,
>
> learning from previous experience, we need someone to take the lead to
> draft the first comment , expecting other PC members to read the report and
> provide their feedback too.
> the concrete questions are; who can volunteer and by when s/he can provide
> the draft since the 21st April is the deadline to send the comment.
> the draft can be a straw-man just to start from somewhere and involving
> all PC members in the editing process.
> @Maria/Rudi can you please add this to action item to be followed-up ?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-03-28 10:11 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>
> Are we planning to comment on this?
>> https://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-21mar14-en.htm
>> cheers stephanie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
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From maria.farrell  Sun Apr  6 09:43:43 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 07:43:43 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- RDS Risk Survey and Webinar: How
 will a Proposed Next Generation Registration Directory Services (RDS) to
 Replace Whois Impact You? (Available Until 15 May 2014)
In-Reply-To: <0.0.22.86E.1CF505601EF4A66.0@drone097.ral.icpbounce.com>
References: <0.0.22.86E.1CF505601EF4A66.0@drone097.ral.icpbounce.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdAJRGzChbxqEj9+Ap7q=Qvhb-DE72Qs-3NUxADL=+VcSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

These surveys will have a big influence on the forthcoming work of the EWG
- just ask Stephanie....

So I strongly recommend that anyone who has the time fills in the survey as
meaningfully, i.e. with examples and data where possible, as they can.

We may need to circulate this more broadly, but this message is just a
quick head's up for the NCSG.

Cheers, m

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ICANN News Alert <communications at icann.org>
Date: 4 April 2014 23:34
Subject: ICANN News Alert -- RDS Risk Survey and Webinar: How will a
Proposed Next Generation Registration Directory Services (RDS) to Replace
Whois Impact You? (Available Until 15 May 2014)
To: maria.farrell at gmail.com


  [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert

http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-04apr14-en.htm
------------------------------
RDS Risk Survey and Webinar: How will a Proposed Next Generation
Registration Directory Services (RDS) to Replace Whois Impact You?
(Available Until 15 May 2014)

4 April 2014

The *Expert Working Group on gTLD Directory Services (EWG)
<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40175189>*invites
you to participate in its recently launched Registration Directory
Service (RDS) Risk Survey.

If you provide or use gTLD domain name registration data (today known as
Whois), please consider responding to this survey to share your unique
perspective on potential risks and benefits associated with the EWG's
proposed RDS, should ICANN choose to implement such as system to replace
Whois.

Today, anyone can query Whois to identify the organization or individual
responsible for an Internet domain name, known as a Registrant, along with
their postal address, email address, and telephone number. The EWG was
asked to re-examine the purpose and provision of this information,
envisioning a clean-slate approach to meet global Internet community needs
with greater privacy, accuracy, and accountability. The EWG's proposed next
generation RDS would collect, validate and disclose registration
information for permissible purposes only, with some values remaining
public and others being gated - that is, returned only to authorized users
with legitimate purposes.

At this point, the RDS is simply a proposal being refined by the EWG for
ICANN Board and community consideration. If you are one of the many
different individuals, businesses, and other organizations that consume
Whois data today, or a domain name Registrant, Registrar, or Registry that
provides Whois data today, please participate in this survey. This survey
is a chance to tell the EWG about the risks and benefits that the
recommended RDS might have for YOU.

All risks and benefits identified through this survey will be published in
aggregated, anonymized form and used by the EWG to refine its
recommendations and as input to a full risk assessment.
*RDS Risk Survey attributes:*

   - RDS Risk Survey Availability Date: 15 March 2014
   - RDS Risk Survey address:
   http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/rds-risk-survey-14mar14-en.htm
   - RDS Risk Survey Close Date: *15 May 2014, 23:59 UTC*

To read more, you may download a printable
PDF<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/rds-risk-survey-01apr14-en.pdf>[PDF,
1.93 MB] before returning to
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/rds-risk-survey-14mar14-en.htmto
take the on-line survey. Translated versions of this survey will also
be
available shortly.

*To learn more about this survey, please join the EWG for this interactive
online workshop: How will Next Generation Registration Directory Services
impact you?*

*Date:* Wednesday, 16 April 2014
*Time:* 19:00-20:30 UTC (time converter:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EWG+Workshop+Webinar+-+Session+1&iso=20140416T19&ah=1&am=30
)

*Date:* Thursday, 17 April 2014

*Time:* 12:00-13:30 UTC (time converter:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EWG+Workshop+Webinar+-+Session+2&iso=20140417T12&ah=1&am=30
)

Additional details on the interactive online workshop are available
here<http://www.icann.org/en/about/learning/webinars/rds-workshop-04apr14-en.htm>
.

You may also learn more about the proposed next generation RDS at any time
by:

   - WATCHING this short introductory
video<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40175189>
   - LISTENING to this longer
presentation<http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-rds>
   - EXPLORING these
FAQs<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/faqs>,
   or
   - READING the EWG's Initial
Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf>[PDF,
1.70 MB] and Status
   Update Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/status-update-11nov13-en.pdf>[PDF,
2.26 MB]

*Background*

In December 2012, ICANN announced the creation of an Expert Working Group
(EWG) on next generation gTLD Registration Directory Services, as a first
step in fulfilling the ICANN Board's directive to help redefine the purpose
and provision of gTLD registration data. The EWG's findings are expected to
serve as a foundation to help the GNSO create a new global policy for the
provision of gTLD registration data.

A significant milestone was reached on 24 June
2013<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-24jun13-en.htm>with
the publication
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-24jun13-en.htm>of
the Expert Working Group on gTLD Directory
Services<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services>(EWG)'s
Initial Report and FAQs, opening a consultation period with the
ICANN community. The Initial
Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf>[PDF,
1.70 MB] enumerated the users, purposes, data elements, recommended
principles and features, and proposed model to guide the development of a
next generation Registration Directory Service (RDS) to replace Whois.

Prior to the ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires, the EWG published its Status
Update Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/status-update-11nov13-en.pdf>[PDF,
2.26 MB] to highlight the EWG's thinking on these and many other key
issues. It also provides a great deal more detail on the analysis that lay
behind the Initial
Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf>[PDF,
1.70 MB].
*What's Next?*

The EWG is now completing its research and information gathering phase
before delivering its final recommendations to the ICANN Board. The RDS
Risk Survey is one of several research efforts undertaken being the EWG to
ensure that its final recommendations are supported by facts and informed
by current practices and input from all those potentially impacted by any
next generation system to replace Whois.

The EWG expects to complete its recommendations in 2014, informed by
Community feedback and in-depth analysis of selected areas, including the
responses to this RDS Risk Survey. The EWG plans to deliver its final
report to the ICANN Board in June 2014.
*Questions*

If questions arise about the RDS Risk Survey, please contact us at
Risk-EWG-Survey at icann.org.


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From maria.farrell  Sun Apr  6 11:15:31 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 10:15:31 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] Please participate - Singapore meeting
	survey
In-Reply-To: <CF61C3D5.2FD1E%marika.konings@icann.org>
References: <CF61C3D5.2FD1E%marika.konings@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdDS0BaWpYaB-ADwq42d=LyoUUkk+z0tCyMpUhtU7o9MNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Purely for interest, i.e. not such a priority as our other work, but if
anyone wants to fill in this survey on what worked and didn't work at the
GNSO weekend working sessions in SIngapore (including remote participants
of course), please feel free.

Maria

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
Date: 2 April 2014 13:41
Subject: Re: [council] Please participate - Singapore meeting survey
To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>


*Reminder* - if you have not done so yet, please participate in this
survey. For those of you that have responded, thank you very much! As
indicated, please feel free to share the survey with your respective groups
as we are also interested to hear the feedback of non-Council members.

From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
Date: Thursday 27 March 2014 08:21
To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: [council] Please participate - Singapore meeting survey

Dear All,

As discussed, please participate in the following survey to provide your
feedback on the GNSO related meetings at the ICANN meeting in Singapore
that will help prepare us in our planning efforts for the ICANN meeting in
London. Please feel free to share this with your respective communities.

To participate, please go to: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JB5MDBH.

Thanks,

Marika
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From rudi.vansnick  Sun Apr  6 12:49:04 2014
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 17:49:04 +0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Comments on RAA data retention?
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdDu6pSeCjoB2nhyvoF7Sexd4u8Thd2rZYnUqB9N7Ld4nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3AF260F-CC29-4B50-BC50-E38CF064A3B8@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<CAH5sThk3uYr_=Tw_fT+oAQnSkb1r7eL1or_yaMyK6TgcAPSA2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7qwdDu6pSeCjoB2nhyvoF7Sexd4u8Thd2rZYnUqB9N7Ld4nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <879BA4C7-79A9-4A5D-A745-DADC11BF5857@isoc.be>

Dear all,

Being on travel too, till next Thursday I?ll be in Hong Kong, will read mails by occasion as we have long days of meetings. However I will respond when required. I will already sent the message to our NPOC PC members so they can start reading and drafting ?

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

Op 6-apr.-2014, om 14:40 heeft Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm en route back home finally & expect to get in tonight. As I had so much to say about this issue during the meeting, I'll take the lead on drafting and working with interested people to get a statement in. 
> 
> (as well as catching up with MUCH other NCSG PC business). 
> 
> Cheers all, 
> 
> 
> On 6 April 2014 07:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stephanie,
> 
> learning from previous experience, we need someone to take the lead to draft the first comment , expecting other PC members to read the report and provide their feedback too.
> the concrete questions are; who can volunteer and by when s/he can provide the draft since the 21st April is the deadline to send the comment.
> the draft can be a straw-man just to start from somewhere and involving all PC members in the editing process.
> @Maria/Rudi can you please add this to action item to be followed-up ?
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> 2014-03-28 10:11 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
> 
> Are we planning to comment on this?
> https://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-21mar14-en.htm
> cheers stephanie
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From mariliamaciel  Sun Apr  6 15:19:40 2014
From: mariliamaciel (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 09:19:40 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Comments on RAA data retention?
In-Reply-To: <CACpVkK3sOC6xWF8ZntnUB3sKUh7t2-5VjbY4EvH7Mxt6FkpSfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3AF260F-CC29-4B50-BC50-E38CF064A3B8@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<CAH5sThk3uYr_=Tw_fT+oAQnSkb1r7eL1or_yaMyK6TgcAPSA2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7qwdDu6pSeCjoB2nhyvoF7Sexd4u8Thd2rZYnUqB9N7Ld4nA@mail.gmail.com>
	<879BA4C7-79A9-4A5D-A745-DADC11BF5857@isoc.be>
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Traveling until tuesday attending a conference in Boston. I could help as
well after my return.
Mar?lia
Em 06/04/2014 06:49, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> escreveu:

Dear all,

Being on travel too, till next Thursday I'll be in Hong Kong, will read
mails by occasion as we have long days of meetings. However I will respond
when required. I will already sent the message to our NPOC PC members so
they can start reading and drafting ...

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

Op 6-apr.-2014, om 14:40 heeft Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com> het
volgende geschreven:

Hi all,

I'm en route back home finally & expect to get in tonight. As I had so much
to say about this issue during the meeting, I'll take the lead on drafting
and working with interested people to get a statement in.

(as well as catching up with MUCH other NCSG PC business).

Cheers all,


On 6 April 2014 07:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephanie,
>
> learning from previous experience, we need someone to take the lead to
> draft the first comment , expecting other PC members to read the report and
> provide their feedback too.
> the concrete questions are; who can volunteer and by when s/he can provide
> the draft since the 21st April is the deadline to send the comment.
> the draft can be a straw-man just to start from somewhere and involving
> all PC members in the editing process.
> @Maria/Rudi can you please add this to action item to be followed-up ?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-03-28 10:11 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>
> Are we planning to comment on this?
>> https://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-21mar14-en.htm
>> cheers stephanie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>
>
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From mariliamaciel  Sun Apr  6 15:27:51 2014
From: mariliamaciel (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 09:27:51 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- RDS Risk Survey and Webinar:
 How will a Proposed Next Generation Registration Directory Services (RDS)
 to Replace Whois Impact You? (Available Until 15 May 2014)
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdAJRGzChbxqEj9+Ap7q=Qvhb-DE72Qs-3NUxADL=+VcSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0.0.22.86E.1CF505601EF4A66.0@drone097.ral.icpbounce.com>
	<CAC7qwdAJRGzChbxqEj9+Ap7q=Qvhb-DE72Qs-3NUxADL=+VcSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, Maria!
Em 06/04/2014 03:44, "Maria Farrell" <maria.farrell at gmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi all,
>
> These surveys will have a big influence on the forthcoming work of the EWG
> - just ask Stephanie....
>
> So I strongly recommend that anyone who has the time fills in the survey
> as meaningfully, i.e. with examples and data where possible, as they can.
>
> We may need to circulate this more broadly, but this message is just a
> quick head's up for the NCSG.
>
> Cheers, m
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: ICANN News Alert <communications at icann.org>
> Date: 4 April 2014 23:34
> Subject: ICANN News Alert -- RDS Risk Survey and Webinar: How will a
> Proposed Next Generation Registration Directory Services (RDS) to Replace
> Whois Impact You? (Available Until 15 May 2014)
> To: maria.farrell at gmail.com
>
>
>   [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert
>
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-04apr14-en.htm
> ------------------------------
> RDS Risk Survey and Webinar: How will a Proposed Next Generation
> Registration Directory Services (RDS) to Replace Whois Impact You?
> (Available Until 15 May 2014)
>
> 4 April 2014
>
> The *Expert Working Group on gTLD Directory Services (EWG)
> <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40175189>*invites you to participate in its recently launched Registration Directory
> Service (RDS) Risk Survey.
>
> If you provide or use gTLD domain name registration data (today known as
> Whois), please consider responding to this survey to share your unique
> perspective on potential risks and benefits associated with the EWG's
> proposed RDS, should ICANN choose to implement such as system to replace
> Whois.
>
> Today, anyone can query Whois to identify the organization or individual
> responsible for an Internet domain name, known as a Registrant, along with
> their postal address, email address, and telephone number. The EWG was
> asked to re-examine the purpose and provision of this information,
> envisioning a clean-slate approach to meet global Internet community needs
> with greater privacy, accuracy, and accountability. The EWG's proposed next
> generation RDS would collect, validate and disclose registration
> information for permissible purposes only, with some values remaining
> public and others being gated - that is, returned only to authorized users
> with legitimate purposes.
>
> At this point, the RDS is simply a proposal being refined by the EWG for
> ICANN Board and community consideration. If you are one of the many
> different individuals, businesses, and other organizations that consume
> Whois data today, or a domain name Registrant, Registrar, or Registry that
> provides Whois data today, please participate in this survey. This survey
> is a chance to tell the EWG about the risks and benefits that the
> recommended RDS might have for YOU.
>
> All risks and benefits identified through this survey will be published in
> aggregated, anonymized form and used by the EWG to refine its
> recommendations and as input to a full risk assessment.
> *RDS Risk Survey attributes:*
>
>    - RDS Risk Survey Availability Date: 15 March 2014
>    - RDS Risk Survey address:
>    http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/rds-risk-survey-14mar14-en.htm
>    - RDS Risk Survey Close Date: *15 May 2014, 23:59 UTC*
>
> To read more, you may download a printable PDF<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/rds-risk-survey-01apr14-en.pdf>[PDF, 1.93 MB] before returning to
> http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/rds-risk-survey-14mar14-en.htmto take the on-line survey. Translated versions of this survey will also be
> available shortly.
>
> *To learn more about this survey, please join the EWG for this interactive
> online workshop: How will Next Generation Registration Directory Services
> impact you?*
>
> *Date:* Wednesday, 16 April 2014
> *Time:* 19:00-20:30 UTC (time converter:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EWG+Workshop+Webinar+-+Session+1&iso=20140416T19&ah=1&am=30
> )
>
> *Date:* Thursday, 17 April 2014
>
> *Time:* 12:00-13:30 UTC (time converter:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EWG+Workshop+Webinar+-+Session+2&iso=20140417T12&ah=1&am=30
> )
>
> Additional details on the interactive online workshop are available here<http://www.icann.org/en/about/learning/webinars/rds-workshop-04apr14-en.htm>
> .
>
> You may also learn more about the proposed next generation RDS at any time
> by:
>
>    - WATCHING this short introductory video<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40175189>
>    - LISTENING to this longer presentation<http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-rds>
>    - EXPLORING these FAQs<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/faqs>,
>    or
>    - READING the EWG's Initial Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf>[PDF, 1.70 MB] and Status
>    Update Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/status-update-11nov13-en.pdf>[PDF, 2.26 MB]
>
> *Background*
>
> In December 2012, ICANN announced the creation of an Expert Working Group
> (EWG) on next generation gTLD Registration Directory Services, as a first
> step in fulfilling the ICANN Board's directive to help redefine the purpose
> and provision of gTLD registration data. The EWG's findings are expected to
> serve as a foundation to help the GNSO create a new global policy for the
> provision of gTLD registration data.
>
> A significant milestone was reached on 24 June 2013<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-24jun13-en.htm>with the publication
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-3-24jun13-en.htm>of
> the Expert Working Group on gTLD Directory Services<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services>(EWG)'s Initial Report and FAQs, opening a consultation period with the
> ICANN community. The Initial Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf>[PDF, 1.70 MB] enumerated the users, purposes, data elements, recommended
> principles and features, and proposed model to guide the development of a
> next generation Registration Directory Service (RDS) to replace Whois.
>
> Prior to the ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires, the EWG published its Status
> Update Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/status-update-11nov13-en.pdf>[PDF, 2.26 MB] to highlight the EWG's thinking on these and many other key
> issues. It also provides a great deal more detail on the analysis that lay
> behind the Initial Report<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report-24jun13-en.pdf>[PDF, 1.70 MB].
> *What's Next?*
>
> The EWG is now completing its research and information gathering phase
> before delivering its final recommendations to the ICANN Board. The RDS
> Risk Survey is one of several research efforts undertaken being the EWG to
> ensure that its final recommendations are supported by facts and informed
> by current practices and input from all those potentially impacted by any
> next generation system to replace Whois.
>
> The EWG expects to complete its recommendations in 2014, informed by
> Community feedback and in-depth analysis of selected areas, including the
> responses to this RDS Risk Survey. The EWG plans to deliver its final
> report to the ICANN Board in June 2014.
> *Questions*
>
> If questions arise about the RDS Risk Survey, please contact us at
> Risk-EWG-Survey at icann.org.
>
>
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>
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From magaly.pazello  Sun Apr  6 23:30:54 2014
From: magaly.pazello (Magaly Pazello)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 17:30:54 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Comments on RAA data retention?
In-Reply-To: <CACpVkK2ht7b+Z1zO85JK5jq313jFy0P98jr_LVsfr4eUQ6gGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3AF260F-CC29-4B50-BC50-E38CF064A3B8@mail.utoronto.ca>
	<CAH5sThk3uYr_=Tw_fT+oAQnSkb1r7eL1or_yaMyK6TgcAPSA2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7qwdDu6pSeCjoB2nhyvoF7Sexd4u8Thd2rZYnUqB9N7Ld4nA@mail.gmail.com>
	<879BA4C7-79A9-4A5D-A745-DADC11BF5857@isoc.be>
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I think it is a very busy week for most of us, I am also traveling untill
wednesday when I back home from London. Still hadn't find time enough check
emails, sorry.
Magaly

On Sunday, April 6, 2014, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Traveling until tuesday attending a conference in Boston. I could help as
well after my return.
> Mar?lia
>
> Em 06/04/2014 06:49, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> escreveu:
>
> Dear all,
> Being on travel too, till next Thursday I'll be in Hong Kong, will read
mails by occasion as we have long days of meetings. However I will respond
when required. I will already sent the message to our NPOC PC members so
they can start reading and drafting ...
> Kind regards,
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
> Op 6-apr.-2014, om 14:40 heeft Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>
het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm en route back home finally & expect to get in tonight. As I had so
much to say about this issue during the meeting, I'll take the lead on
drafting and working with interested people to get a statement in.
>
> (as well as catching up with MUCH other NCSG PC business).
>
> Cheers all,
>
>
> On 6 April 2014 07:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephanie,
> learning from previous experience, we need someone to take the lead to
draft the first comment , expecting other PC members to read the report and
provide their feedback too.
> the concrete questions are; who can volunteer and by when s/he can
provide the draft since the 21st April is the deadline to send the comment.
> the draft can be a straw-man just to start from somewhere and involving
all PC members in the editing process.
> @Maria/Rudi can you please add this to action item to be followed-up ?
> Best Regards,
> Rafik
>
> 2014-03-28 10:11 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
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From robin  Mon Apr  7 05:56:11 2014
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 19:56:11 -0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
Message-ID: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>

Representatives:

It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
  https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0

All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.

So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?  

Thanks,
Robin
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From klaus.stoll  Mon Apr  7 10:47:53 2014
From: klaus.stoll (Klaus Stoll)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:47:53 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
 election
In-Reply-To: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>

Dear Friends

This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am 
loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the 
freedom for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells 
him, but in this case we had a clear agreement and everybody explicitly 
and verbally agreed with the block vote.

Disappointed

Klaus

On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Representatives:
>
> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>    https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0
>
> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>
> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From maria.farrell  Mon Apr  7 11:59:13 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:59:13 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
In-Reply-To: <53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be me...
Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having been
offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.

As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of the
first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the election
organiser and said this would suffice.

(In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had
previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left Singapore.)

If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, then the
fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, yet, but I will
find out and tell you as soon as I do.

All the best, Maria


On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:

>  Dear Friends
>
> This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am
> loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the freedom
> for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells him, but in
> this case we had a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally
> agreed with the block vote.
>
> Disappointed
>
> Klaus
>
>
> On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
> Representatives:
>
> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>   https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0 <https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>
> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>
> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
>
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From klaus.stoll  Mon Apr  7 12:35:35 2014
From: klaus.stoll (Klaus Stoll)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:35:35 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
 election
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>

Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it 
can/should be sorted out with Glen.

With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.

Yours

Klaus

  On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be 
> me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having 
> been offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>
> As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of 
> the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the 
> election organiser and said this would suffice.
>
> (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had 
> previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left 
> Singapore.)
>
> If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, 
> then the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, 
> yet, but I will find out and tell you as soon as I do.
>
> All the best, Maria
>
>
> On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org 
> <mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Friends
>
>     This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I
>     am loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect
>     the freedom for every councilor to vote as his opinion and
>     conscience tells him, but in this case we had a clear agreement
>     and everybody explicitly and verbally agreed with the block vote.
>
>     Disappointed
>
>     Klaus
>
>
>     On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>     Representatives:
>>
>>     It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>        https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0  <https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>>
>>     All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>
>>     So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Robin
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     PC-NCSG mailing list
>>     PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org  <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>     http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     PC-NCSG mailing list
>     PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>     http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From maria.farrell  Mon Apr  7 13:00:08 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 11:00:08 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
In-Reply-To: <53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>
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Thank you, Klaus!

I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this.

OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is that
the tally.icann.org page Robin sent around cannot be adjusted to record
verbal votes - i.e. mine, received by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by
Nathalie. So it just 'looks' like the round is five votes to six. Glen says
that later on today when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six
votes each, and we will then start on the second round.

Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in this
instance not the same as the tally.icann.org page.

Cheers, m


On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:

>  Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it
> can/should be sorted out with Glen.
>
> With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
>
>  On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>
>   Dear all,
>
>  I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be me...
> Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having been
> offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>
>  As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of the
> first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the election
> organiser and said this would suffice.
>
> (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had
> previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left Singapore.)
>
>  If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, then
> the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, yet, but I
> will find out and tell you as soon as I do.
>
>  All the best, Maria
>
>
> On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>>  Dear Friends
>>
>> This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am
>> loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the freedom
>> for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells him, but in
>> this case we had a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally
>> agreed with the block vote.
>>
>> Disappointed
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>
>>  Representatives:
>>
>> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>   https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0 <https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>>
>> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>
>> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>>
>
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From aelsadr  Mon Apr  7 13:52:06 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 12:52:06 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdB9SxujNP1SXQ=dO14O2tKdYbh5ppucSrXxMK8BB6ZgUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdB9SxujNP1SXQ=dO14O2tKdYbh5ppucSrXxMK8BB6ZgUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <470A855D-0797-4BF7-B561-9A37765EE5E3@egyptig.org>

Thanks for clearing that up, Maria. Is proxy voting allowed in board elections? If it isn?t, it may be something we might want to consider addressing.

Thanks.

Amr

On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Klaus!
> 
> I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this. 
> 
> OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is that the tally.icann.org page Robin sent around cannot be adjusted to record verbal votes - i.e. mine, received by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by Nathalie. So it just 'looks' like the round is five votes to six. Glen says that later on today when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six votes each, and we will then start on the second round. 
> 
> Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org page. 
> 
> Cheers, m
> 
> 
> On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
> Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it can/should be sorted out with Glen. 
> 
> With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
> 
> Yours
> 
> Klaus
> 
> 
>  On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having been offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>> 
>> As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the election organiser and said this would suffice. 
>> 
>> (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left Singapore.) 
>> 
>> If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, then the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, yet, but I will find out and tell you as soon as I do. 
>> 
>> All the best, Maria
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>> Dear Friends
>> 
>> This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the freedom for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells him, but in this case we had a clear agreement and everybody                 explicitly and verbally agreed with the block vote.
>> 
>> Disappointed
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>> Representatives:
>>> 
>>> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>>   https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0
>>> 
>>> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>> 
>>> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From avri  Mon Apr  7 13:56:22 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 06:56:22 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] proxy voting.   Re: [] ICANN Board Election ...
In-Reply-To: <470A855D-0797-4BF7-B561-9A37765EE5E3@egyptig.org>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>	<CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>	<53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>	<CAC7qwdB9SxujNP1SXQ=dO14O2tKdYbh5ppucSrXxMK8BB6ZgUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<470A855D-0797-4BF7-B561-9A37765EE5E3@egyptig.org>
Message-ID: <53428456.70406@acm.org>

Hi,

I think that it could best be done by appointing a temporary alternate
for the period that someone is off the net.

avri


On 07-Apr-14 06:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Thanks for clearing that up, Maria. Is proxy voting allowed in board
> elections? If it isn?t, it may be something we might want to consider
> addressing.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you, Klaus!
>>
>> I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this.
>>
>> OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is
>> that the tally.icann.org <http://tally.icann.org/> page Robin sent
>> around cannot be adjusted to record verbal votes - i.e. mine, received
>> by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by Nathalie. So it just 'looks'
>> like the round is five votes to six. Glen says that later on today
>> when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six votes each, and
>> we will then start on the second round.
>>
>> Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in
>> this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org
>> <http://tally.icann.org/> page.
>>
>> Cheers, m
>>
>>
>> On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org
>> <mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it
>>     can/should be sorted out with Glen.
>>
>>     With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
>>
>>     Yours
>>
>>     Klaus
>>
>>
>>      On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>>>     Dear all,
>>>
>>>     I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may
>>>     be me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night,
>>>     having been offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia
>>>     without Internet.
>>>
>>>     As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the
>>>     week of the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote
>>>     verbally to the election organiser and said this would suffice.
>>>
>>>     (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and
>>>     had previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I
>>>     left Singapore.)
>>>
>>>     If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my
>>>     vote, then the fault lies with me. I don't know what the
>>>     explanation is, yet, but I will find out and tell you as soon as
>>>     I do.
>>>
>>>     All the best, Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org
>>>     <mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear Friends
>>>
>>>         This is serious not just about the election outcome but
>>>         because I am loosing trust in the people I should trust the
>>>         most. I respect the freedom for every councilor to vote as
>>>         his opinion and conscience tells him, but in this case we had
>>>         a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally
>>>         agreed with the block vote.
>>>
>>>         Disappointed
>>>
>>>         Klaus
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>>         Representatives:
>>>>
>>>>         It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>>>           https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0 <https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>>>>
>>>>         All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>>>
>>>>         So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?  
>>>>
>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>         Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>>         PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>>         PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>>         http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>         PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>         http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 



From maria.farrell  Mon Apr  7 14:25:36 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 12:25:36 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] proxy voting. Re: [] ICANN Board Election ...
In-Reply-To: <53428456.70406@acm.org>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdB9SxujNP1SXQ=dO14O2tKdYbh5ppucSrXxMK8BB6ZgUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<470A855D-0797-4BF7-B561-9A37765EE5E3@egyptig.org>
	<53428456.70406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdC_2kKU_MKfmuas=hORp7kgeXFnZzR_m9c2dFZywfwOOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I think there's no rule against proxy voting per se, but the issue is that
the practicalities of the election are that it's only done by email, and
the email ballots go to the named person.

Maybe it's one for the SCI to look at?

i.e. figuring out a documented procedure for how people vote if they're not
going to receive an email ballot in the time an election is on.

m


On 7 April 2014 11:56, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think that it could best be done by appointing a temporary alternate
> for the period that someone is off the net.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 07-Apr-14 06:52, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> > Thanks for clearing that up, Maria. Is proxy voting allowed in board
> > elections? If it isn't, it may be something we might want to consider
> > addressing.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Amr
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> > <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Klaus!
> >>
> >> I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this.
> >>
> >> OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is
> >> that the tally.icann.org <http://tally.icann.org/> page Robin sent
> >> around cannot be adjusted to record verbal votes - i.e. mine, received
> >> by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by Nathalie. So it just 'looks'
> >> like the round is five votes to six. Glen says that later on today
> >> when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six votes each, and
> >> we will then start on the second round.
> >>
> >> Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in
> >> this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org
> >> <http://tally.icann.org/> page.
> >>
> >> Cheers, m
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org
> >> <mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it
> >>     can/should be sorted out with Glen.
> >>
> >>     With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
> >>
> >>     Yours
> >>
> >>     Klaus
> >>
> >>
> >>      On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
> >>>     Dear all,
> >>>
> >>>     I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may
> >>>     be me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night,
> >>>     having been offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia
> >>>     without Internet.
> >>>
> >>>     As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the
> >>>     week of the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote
> >>>     verbally to the election organiser and said this would suffice.
> >>>
> >>>     (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and
> >>>     had previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I
> >>>     left Singapore.)
> >>>
> >>>     If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my
> >>>     vote, then the fault lies with me. I don't know what the
> >>>     explanation is, yet, but I will find out and tell you as soon as
> >>>     I do.
> >>>
> >>>     All the best, Maria
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org
> >>>     <mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         Dear Friends
> >>>
> >>>         This is serious not just about the election outcome but
> >>>         because I am loosing trust in the people I should trust the
> >>>         most. I respect the freedom for every councilor to vote as
> >>>         his opinion and conscience tells him, but in this case we had
> >>>         a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally
> >>>         agreed with the block vote.
> >>>
> >>>         Disappointed
> >>>
> >>>         Klaus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
> >>>>         Representatives:
> >>>>
> >>>>         It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote
> in last week's ICANN Board election:
> >>>>           https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0<
> https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
> >>>>
> >>>>         All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote
> for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our
> candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent
> noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the
> most important things that NCSG does.
> >>>>
> >>>>         So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on
> the first round?
> >>>>
> >>>>         Thanks,
> >>>>         Robin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         _______________________________________________
> >>>>         PC-NCSG mailing list
> >>>>         PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> >>>>         http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         _______________________________________________
> >>>         PC-NCSG mailing list
> >>>         PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> >>>         http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PC-NCSG mailing list
> >> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PC-NCSG mailing list
> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From maria.farrell  Mon Apr  7 17:24:26 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 15:24:26 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting
 to 17 April (re-send with minot correction)
In-Reply-To: <010901cf4d91$9595e8a0$c0c1b9e0$@afilias.info>
References: <010901cf4d91$9595e8a0$c0c1b9e0$@afilias.info>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdC_XRdv17yhr8papV8kYL8ANDF9N6jvHrcODzo_PzuVVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just FYI, there will be a GNSO Council call this week but it looks like we
will not have one to ratify the results of the Board seat election - I'd
originally asked Jonathan to put aside 17 April for that date.

Will keep everyone posted if another Council is called before the May
meeting.

Cheers, m

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
Date: 1 April 2014 11:03
Subject: RE: Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting to 17
April (re-send with minot correction)
To: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <
rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, krosette at cov.com, Marilyn Cade <
marilynscade at hotmail.com>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au>, "WUK1950 ."
<Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>, "
Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, Rudi Vansnick <
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>, "gnso.icann" <gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>,
Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>


Dear Maria,



Thank-you for this request.



I have checked up on this and, whilst it is the case that the operating
procedures make reference to "confirmation of election" we will interpret
this as essentially an administrative point and not something requiring a
motion.

Therefore, please do advise the Council of the NCPH selection as soon as
practical and I will then take it upon myself (in my capacity as Council
Chair) to notify ICANN.

The GNSO Council will then take advantage of the next available Council
meeting to confirm this for the record i.e. "confirmation of election" by
simply noting and recording the selection of the NCPH.



Notwithstanding the above, the Council may well need to hold an additional
meeting between now and the next scheduled meeting on May 8th so please
keep an eye out for any further discussion on the scheduling of An
additional meeting.



Best wishes,





Jonathan



*From:* Maria Farrell [mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com]
*Sent:* 28 March 2014 01:52
*To:* Rafik Dammak; krosette at cov.com; Marilyn Cade; David Cake; WUK1950 .;
Metalitz, Steven; Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com; Rudi Vansnick; gnso.icann;
Jonathan Robinson; Marika Konings
*Subject:* Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting to 17 April



Dear Jonathan,

Following up on our brief chat yesterday, the NCPH leadership met and
decided a timeline for the election for Board Seat 14.

We would like to request that the GNSO Council meeting scheduled for 10
April be re-scheduled to the 17 April.

(I relayed to everyone cc'ed that you need to check calendars and are
double-checking the necessity of convening a meeting after the election.)


FYI we believe a short extension from ICANN's General Counsel to the
current deadline of April 16 is possible.

Here are our agreed timings and procedure.



*Timing*:



Round 1:  March 31-April 4

Round 2:  April 8-11

Round 3:  April 14-16



*Votes required for candidate to win*:  8 of 13 (60%).  Ensures that
elected Board member has received vote in support of her/his candidacy from
at least one member of each SG in the NCPH.

As I'm going to be offline for the next week, Rudi can follow up with you
on this.



Safe travels and alll the best, Maria
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From rafik.dammak  Mon Apr  7 17:43:37 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 23:43:37 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdB9SxujNP1SXQ=dO14O2tKdYbh5ppucSrXxMK8BB6ZgUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380894A7-A543-4AB8-AC2D-A54FF4E08326@ipjustice.org>
	<53425829.5090002@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdC4hE7gKL-AdD1sPqS6-4D2HY1NNiWFbc3uvRq+05k0pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53427167.3030903@gkpfoundation.org>
	<CAC7qwdB9SxujNP1SXQ=dO14O2tKdYbh5ppucSrXxMK8BB6ZgUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkVUFzJtC5CRE=XbkotLULk0+Gv+uO-SSokswu1H1bM5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Maria,

thank you for clarifying this, such misunderstanding may happen anytime and
hopefully can be sorted out.
Next round will start in the 8th April, so everybody please be ready to
vote .

Best Regards,

Rafik


2014-04-07 19:00 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:

> Thank you, Klaus!
>
> I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this.
>
> OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is that
> the tally.icann.org page Robin sent around cannot be adjusted to record
> verbal votes - i.e. mine, received by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by
> Nathalie. So it just 'looks' like the round is five votes to six. Glen says
> that later on today when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six
> votes each, and we will then start on the second round.
>
> Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in
> this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org page.
>
> Cheers, m
>
>
> On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it
>> can/should be sorted out with Glen.
>>
>> With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>>  On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>>
>>   Dear all,
>>
>>  I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be me...
>> Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having been
>> offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>>
>>  As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of
>> the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the
>> election organiser and said this would suffice.
>>
>> (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had
>> previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left Singapore.)
>>
>>  If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, then
>> the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, yet, but I
>> will find out and tell you as soon as I do.
>>
>>  All the best, Maria
>>
>>
>> On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear Friends
>>>
>>> This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am
>>> loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the freedom
>>> for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells him, but in
>>> this case we had a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally
>>> agreed with the block vote.
>>>
>>> Disappointed
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>
>>>  Representatives:
>>>
>>> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>>   https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0 <https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>>>
>>> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>>
>>> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From avri  Mon Apr  7 17:49:54 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:49:54 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council
 meeting to 17 April (re-send with minot correction)
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdC_XRdv17yhr8papV8kYL8ANDF9N6jvHrcODzo_PzuVVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010901cf4d91$9595e8a0$c0c1b9e0$@afilias.info>
	<CAC7qwdC_XRdv17yhr8papV8kYL8ANDF9N6jvHrcODzo_PzuVVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5342BB12.7090809@acm.org>

Hi,

Do we have, or need, a pre-call?

avri


On 07-Apr-14 10:24, Maria Farrell wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just FYI, there will be a GNSO Council call this week but it looks like
> we will not have one to ratify the results of the Board seat election -
> I'd originally asked Jonathan to put aside 17 April for that date.
> 
> Will keep everyone posted if another Council is called before the May
> meeting.
> 
> Cheers, m
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Jonathan Robinson* <jrobinson at afilias.info
> <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> Date: 1 April 2014 11:03
> Subject: RE: Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting to 17
> April (re-send with minot correction)
> To: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, krosette at cov.com
> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com
> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>, "WUK1950 ."
> <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>>, "Metalitz, Steven"
> <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>, "Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> <mailto:Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>" <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>, Rudi Vansnick
> <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>, "gnso.icann"
> <gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>>, Marika Konings
> <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> 
> 
> Dear Maria,____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Thank-you for this request.____
> 
> __ __
> 
> I have checked up on this and, whilst it is the case that the operating
> procedures make reference to ?confirmation of election? we will
> interpret this as essentially an administrative point and not something
> requiring a motion.____
> 
> Therefore, please do advise the Council of the NCPH selection as soon as
> practical and I will then take it upon myself (in my capacity as Council
> Chair) to notify ICANN.  ____
> 
> The GNSO Council will then take advantage of the next available Council
> meeting to confirm this for the record i.e. ?confirmation of election?
> by simply noting and recording the selection of the NCPH.____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Notwithstanding the above, the Council may well need to hold an
> additional meeting between now and the next scheduled meeting on May
> 8^th so please keep an eye out for any further discussion on the
> scheduling of An additional meeting.____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Best wishes,____
> 
> __ __
> 
> __ __
> 
> Jonathan____
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From:*Maria Farrell [mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com
> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* 28 March 2014 01:52
> *To:* Rafik Dammak; krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>; Marilyn
> Cade; David Cake; WUK1950 .; Metalitz, Steven;
> Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com <mailto:Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>; Rudi
> Vansnick; gnso.icann; Jonathan Robinson; Marika Konings
> *Subject:* Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting to 17
> April____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Dear Jonathan,____
> 
> Following up on our brief chat yesterday, the NCPH leadership met and
> decided a timeline for the election for Board Seat 14. ____
> 
> We would like to request that the GNSO Council meeting scheduled for 10
> April be re-scheduled to the 17 April. ____
> 
> (I relayed to everyone cc'ed that you need to check calendars and are
> double-checking the necessity of convening a meeting after the
> election.)____
> 
> 
> FYI we believe a short extension from ICANN's General Counsel to the
> current deadline of April 16 is possible. ____
> 
> Here are our agreed timings and procedure. ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> _Timing_:____
> 
>  ____
> 
> Round 1:  March 31-April 4____
> 
> Round 2:  April 8-11____
> 
> Round 3:  April 14-16____
> 
>  ____
> 
> _Votes required for candidate to win_:  8 of 13 (60%).  Ensures that
> elected Board member has received vote in support of her/his candidacy
> from at least one member of each SG in the NCPH.  ____
> 
> As I'm going to be offline for the next week, Rudi can follow up with
> you on this.____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Safe travels and alll the best, Maria____
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 



From rafik.dammak  Mon Apr  7 17:52:37 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 23:52:37 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council
 meeting to 17 April (re-send with minot correction)
In-Reply-To: <5342BB12.7090809@acm.org>
References: <010901cf4d91$9595e8a0$c0c1b9e0$@afilias.info>
	<CAC7qwdC_XRdv17yhr8papV8kYL8ANDF9N6jvHrcODzo_PzuVVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5342BB12.7090809@acm.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkZPsjsD2cm+LmqaMoiBJvFUiPBgSVg6OLRS7K25iQ9+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Avri,

no pre-call, checking the agenda, other than the consent agenda, there is
only 2 items for update and info.

Best,

Rafik
2014-04-07 23:49 GMT+09:00 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>:

> Hi,
>
> Do we have, or need, a pre-call?
>
> avri
>
>
> On 07-Apr-14 10:24, Maria Farrell wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just FYI, there will be a GNSO Council call this week but it looks like
> > we will not have one to ratify the results of the Board seat election -
> > I'd originally asked Jonathan to put aside 17 April for that date.
> >
> > Will keep everyone posted if another Council is called before the May
> > meeting.
> >
> > Cheers, m
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *Jonathan Robinson* <jrobinson at afilias.info
> > <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> > Date: 1 April 2014 11:03
> > Subject: RE: Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting to 17
> > April (re-send with minot correction)
> > To: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> > <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> > <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, krosette at cov.com
> > <mailto:krosette at cov.com>, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com
> > <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
> > <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>, "WUK1950 ."
> > <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
> > <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>>, "Metalitz, Steven"
> > <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>, "Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> > <mailto:Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>" <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> > <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>, Rudi Vansnick
> > <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>, "gnso.icann"
> > <gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
> > <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>>, Marika Konings
> > <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> >
> >
> > Dear Maria,____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Thank-you for this request.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I have checked up on this and, whilst it is the case that the operating
> > procedures make reference to ?confirmation of election? we will
> > interpret this as essentially an administrative point and not something
> > requiring a motion.____
> >
> > Therefore, please do advise the Council of the NCPH selection as soon as
> > practical and I will then take it upon myself (in my capacity as Council
> > Chair) to notify ICANN.  ____
> >
> > The GNSO Council will then take advantage of the next available Council
> > meeting to confirm this for the record i.e. ?confirmation of election?
> > by simply noting and recording the selection of the NCPH.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Notwithstanding the above, the Council may well need to hold an
> > additional meeting between now and the next scheduled meeting on May
> > 8^th so please keep an eye out for any further discussion on the
> > scheduling of An additional meeting.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Best wishes,____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Jonathan____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Maria Farrell [mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com
> > <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>]
> > *Sent:* 28 March 2014 01:52
> > *To:* Rafik Dammak; krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>; Marilyn
> > Cade; David Cake; WUK1950 .; Metalitz, Steven;
> > Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com <mailto:Tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>; Rudi
> > Vansnick; gnso.icann; Jonathan Robinson; Marika Konings
> > *Subject:* Request to re-schedule 10 April GNSO Council meeting to 17
> > April____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Dear Jonathan,____
> >
> > Following up on our brief chat yesterday, the NCPH leadership met and
> > decided a timeline for the election for Board Seat 14. ____
> >
> > We would like to request that the GNSO Council meeting scheduled for 10
> > April be re-scheduled to the 17 April. ____
> >
> > (I relayed to everyone cc'ed that you need to check calendars and are
> > double-checking the necessity of convening a meeting after the
> > election.)____
> >
> >
> > FYI we believe a short extension from ICANN's General Counsel to the
> > current deadline of April 16 is possible. ____
> >
> > Here are our agreed timings and procedure. ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > _Timing_:____
> >
> >  ____
> >
> > Round 1:  March 31-April 4____
> >
> > Round 2:  April 8-11____
> >
> > Round 3:  April 14-16____
> >
> >  ____
> >
> > _Votes required for candidate to win_:  8 of 13 (60%).  Ensures that
> > elected Board member has received vote in support of her/his candidacy
> > from at least one member of each SG in the NCPH.  ____
> >
> > As I'm going to be offline for the next week, Rudi can follow up with
> > you on this.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Safe travels and alll the best, Maria____
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PC-NCSG mailing list
> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
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From aelsadr  Mon Apr  7 18:00:01 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:00:01 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] Call for volunteers - GNSO Review Committee
References: <CF68873E.2FEB8%marika.konings@icann.org>
Message-ID: <C97614A7-476D-44A5-B5AF-F68CF04DA5D0@egyptig.org>

Hi all,

I hope someone can volunteer to at least monitor this. I?m already spread pretty thin, and have deadlines coming up both this month and next.

Thanks.

Amr

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Subject: [council] Call for volunteers - GNSO Review Committee
> Date: April 7, 2014 at 4:47:58 PM GMT+2
> To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> Following our discussion in Singapore concerning the formation of a small committee to liaise with the SIC on the GNSO Review and discuss a potential self-review of the GNSO Council, we've reviewed the existing gnso-review-dt mailing list and the following GNSO Council members are currently subscribed:
> Jen Wolfe
> John Berard
> Brian Winterfeldt
> Thomas Rickert
> Osvaldo Novoa
> Please let us know if you would like to be added to the list or removed from the list. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Marika
>  

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From rudi.vansnick  Mon Apr  7 18:11:55 2014
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 23:11:55 +0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] Call for volunteers - GNSO Review
	Committee
In-Reply-To: <C97614A7-476D-44A5-B5AF-F68CF04DA5D0@egyptig.org>
References: <CF68873E.2FEB8%marika.konings@icann.org>
	<C97614A7-476D-44A5-B5AF-F68CF04DA5D0@egyptig.org>
Message-ID: <B5CF2277-0595-4BE3-9D96-1F03A5E121EF@isoc.be>

Is this list only for GNSO councillors ? Can others join (volunteer too) ?

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

Op 7-apr.-2014, om 23:00 heeft Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
> 
> I hope someone can volunteer to at least monitor this. I?m already spread pretty thin, and have deadlines coming up both this month and next.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
>> Subject: [council] Call for volunteers - GNSO Review Committee
>> Date: April 7, 2014 at 4:47:58 PM GMT+2
>> To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Following our discussion in Singapore concerning the formation of a small committee to liaise with the SIC on the GNSO Review and discuss a potential self-review of the GNSO Council, we've reviewed the existing gnso-review-dt mailing list and the following GNSO Council members are currently subscribed:
>> Jen Wolfe
>> John Berard
>> Brian Winterfeldt
>> Thomas Rickert
>> Osvaldo Novoa
>> Please let us know if you would like to be added to the list or removed from the list. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Marika
>>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From aelsadr  Mon Apr  7 18:37:33 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:37:33 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] Call for volunteers - GNSO Review
	Committee
In-Reply-To: <B5CF2277-0595-4BE3-9D96-1F03A5E121EF@isoc.be>
References: <CF68873E.2FEB8%marika.konings@icann.org>
	<C97614A7-476D-44A5-B5AF-F68CF04DA5D0@egyptig.org>
	<B5CF2277-0595-4BE3-9D96-1F03A5E121EF@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <A998A349-56B8-4055-A971-DC846F3BEC91@egyptig.org>

Hi Rudi,

It's only for councillors as far as I know, in order to coordinate the upcoming GNSO review with the board SIC. I'm sorry, I should have been clear on that point.

I do appreciate the interest though. It seems Avri volunteered, so that's great. I thought it would be a good idea to have an NCSG councillor keeping an eye on it. 

Thanks. 

Amr

Sent from mobile

> On Apr 7, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:
> 
> Is this list only for GNSO councillors ? Can others join (volunteer too) ?
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
> 
>> Op 7-apr.-2014, om 23:00 heeft Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I hope someone can volunteer to at least monitor this. I?m already spread pretty thin, and have deadlines coming up both this month and next.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Amr
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [council] Call for volunteers - GNSO Review Committee
>>> Date: April 7, 2014 at 4:47:58 PM GMT+2
>>> To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> Following our discussion in Singapore concerning the formation of a small committee to liaise with the SIC on the GNSO Review and discuss a potential self-review of the GNSO Council, we've reviewed the existing gnso-review-dt mailing list and the following GNSO Council members are currently subscribed:
>>> Jen Wolfe
>>> John Berard
>>> Brian Winterfeldt
>>> Thomas Rickert
>>> Osvaldo Novoa
>>> Please let us know if you would like to be added to the list or removed from the list. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Marika
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
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From robin  Mon Apr  7 22:10:16 2014
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 12:10:16 -0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
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Thank you, Maria, for clarifying this ambiguous situation.  What a huge relief!

Best,
Robin

On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:

> Hi Maria,
> 
> thank you for clarifying this, such misunderstanding may happen anytime and hopefully can be sorted out. 
> Next round will start in the 8th April, so everybody please be ready to vote .
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> 2014-04-07 19:00 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
> Thank you, Klaus!
> 
> I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this. 
> 
> OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is that the tally.icann.org page Robin sent around cannot be adjusted to record verbal votes - i.e. mine, received by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by Nathalie. So it just 'looks' like the round is five votes to six. Glen says that later on today when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six votes each, and we will then start on the second round. 
> 
> Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org page. 
> 
> Cheers, m
> 
> 
> On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
> Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it can/should be sorted out with Glen. 
> 
> With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
> 
> Yours
> 
> Klaus
> 
> 
>  On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having been offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>> 
>> As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the election organiser and said this would suffice. 
>> 
>> (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left Singapore.) 
>> 
>> If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, then the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, yet, but I will find out and tell you as soon as I do. 
>> 
>> All the best, Maria
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>> Dear Friends
>> 
>> This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the freedom for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells him, but in this case we had a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally agreed with the block vote.
>> 
>> Disappointed
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>> Representatives:
>>> 
>>> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>>   https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0
>>> 
>>> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>> 
>>> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> 
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>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
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>> 
> 
> 
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From mllemineur  Tue Apr  8 05:00:32 2014
From: mllemineur (marie-laure Lemineur)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:00:32 +0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
	election
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Thanks Maria for clarifying!

best,

Marie-laure


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:10 AM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Thank you, Maria, for clarifying this ambiguous situation.  What a huge
> relief!
>
> Best,
> Robin
>
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi Maria,
>
> thank you for clarifying this, such misunderstanding may happen anytime
> and hopefully can be sorted out.
> Next round will start in the 8th April, so everybody please be ready to
> vote .
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-04-07 19:00 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>
>> Thank you, Klaus!
>>
>> I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw this.
>>
>> OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened is that
>> the tally.icann.org page Robin sent around cannot be adjusted to record
>> verbal votes - i.e. mine, received by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by
>> Nathalie. So it just 'looks' like the round is five votes to six. Glen says
>> that later on today when the *official* result is sent out, it will be six
>> votes each, and we will then start on the second round.
>>
>> Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result is in
>> this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org page.
>>
>> Cheers, m
>>
>>
>> On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that it
>>> can/should be sorted out with Glen.
>>>
>>> With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
>>>
>>> Yours
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dear all,
>>>
>>>  I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link may be
>>> me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night, having been
>>> offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>>>
>>>  As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for the week of
>>> the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote verbally to the
>>> election organiser and said this would suffice.
>>>
>>> (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote and had
>>> previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left Singapore.)
>>>
>>>  If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my vote, then
>>> the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is, yet, but I
>>> will find out and tell you as soon as I do.
>>>
>>>  All the best, Maria
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Dear Friends
>>>>
>>>> This is serious not just about the election outcome but because I am
>>>> loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I respect the freedom
>>>> for every councilor to vote as his opinion and conscience tells him, but in
>>>> this case we had a clear agreement and everybody explicitly and verbally
>>>> agreed with the block vote.
>>>>
>>>> Disappointed
>>>>
>>>> Klaus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Representatives:
>>>>
>>>> It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>>>   https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0 <https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>>>>
>>>> All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>>>
>>>> So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this election on the first round?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>> PC-NCSG mailing listPC-NCSG at ipjustice.orghttp://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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From joy  Tue Apr  8 08:50:48 2014
From: joy (joy)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:50:48 +1200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Board Election and NCSG participation in the
 election
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yes, thanks so much for clarifying maria
Joy
On 8/04/2014 7:10 a.m., Robin Gross wrote:
> Thank you, Maria, for clarifying this ambiguous situation.  What a huge relief!
>
> Best,
> Robin
>
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
>> Hi Maria,
>>
>> thank you for clarifying this, such misunderstanding may happen
anytime and hopefully can be sorted out.
>> Next round will start in the 8th April, so everybody please be ready
to vote .
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-07 19:00 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
<mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>     Thank you, Klaus!
>>
>>     I have to admit I pretty much sprouted a stomach ulcer when I saw
this.
>>
>>     OK, I have now talked to Glen and it looks like what has happened
is that the tally.icann.org <http://tally.icann.org/> page Robin sent
around cannot be adjusted to record verbal votes - i.e. mine, received
by Glen and transmitted & confirmed by Nathalie. So it just 'looks' like
the round is five votes to six. Glen says that later on today when the
*official* result is sent out, it will be six votes each, and we will
then start on the second round.
>>
>>     Sorry, folks, for causing any consternation. The official result
is in this instance not the same as the tally.icann.org
<http://tally.icann.org/> page.
>>
>>     Cheers, m
>>
>>
>>     On 7 April 2014 10:35, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org
<mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Thanks Maria for letting us know. Shit happens!!! I hope that
it can/should be sorted out with Glen.
>>
>>         With regard to my previous email: Trust restored.
>>
>>         Yours
>>
>>         Klaus
>>
>>
>>          On 4/7/2014 9:59 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:
>>>         Dear all,
>>>
>>>         I am checking what happened because I fear the missing link
may be me... Apologies as I got home from my travels only last night,
having been offline for over a week in a part of Indonesia without Internet.
>>>
>>>         As it was an email vote and I was going to be offline for
the week of the first round, Glen kindly offered to give my vote
verbally to the election organiser and said this would suffice.
>>>
>>>         (In fact, I hadn't twigged that it was a purely email vote
and had previously given my proxy to David, but ran into Glen as I left
Singapore.)
>>>
>>>         If something happened and Glen didn't or couldn't send in my
vote, then the fault lies with me. I don't know what the explanation is,
yet, but I will find out and tell you as soon as I do.
>>>
>>>         All the best, Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 7 April 2014 08:47, Klaus Stoll
<klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org <mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear Friends
>>>
>>>             This is serious not just about the election outcome but
because I am loosing trust in the people I should trust the most. I
respect the freedom for every councilor to vote as his opinion and
conscience tells him, but in this case we had a clear agreement and
everybody explicitly and verbally agreed with the block vote.
>>>
>>>             Disappointed
>>>
>>>             Klaus
>>>
>>>
>>>             On 4/7/2014 3:56 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>>             Representatives:
>>>>
>>>>             It looks like one of NCSG's GNSO Representatives did
not vote in last week's ICANN Board election:
>>>>              
https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&amp;e=478fe5066c0
<https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?a=pr&e=478fe5066c0>
>>>>
>>>>             All 6 representatives in Singapore agreed to be bound
to vote for the NCSG candidate in the election for a board seat and Avri
was our candidate.  This is a very important responsibility: to
represent noncommercial users in the election for a board seat.  It is
one of the most important things that NCSG does.
>>>>
>>>>             So what happened?  How did we happen to lose this
election on the first round? 
>>>>
>>>>             Thanks,
>>>>             Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>>             PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>>             PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>>             http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>             PC-NCSG mailing list
>>>             PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>>             http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>     http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
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From aelsadr  Wed Apr  9 16:06:42 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 15:06:42 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] new gTLD Program Committee resolution
	regarding Specification 13 of the new gTLD registry agreement
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Hi,

The board?s resolution on specification 13 of the new gTLD registry agreement is going to be a discussion topic on tomorrow?s irregularly scheduled GNSO council call. This resolution is specific to .Brand registries, a model that was (as far as I can tell) not taken into consideration back in 2007 when the GNSO WG on Introduction of new gTLDs concluded its work.

The ICANN board has delayed implementation of this resolution for 45 days pending feedback from the GNSO Council on whether the council believes this resolution conflicts with policies developed in the GNSO, or not. Personally, I?m somewhat divided on whether I have substantive difficulties with this resolution or not and am keen to hear others thoughts (from both in and out of NCSG). I am, however concerned from a process perspective. This resolution does strike me as a new policy, and it hasn?t gone through the regular PDP. I would also appreciate thoughts on this aspect of the resolution.

If you want to listen in on tomorrow?s call, you can do so here:

GNSO Council meeting audio cast
http://stream.icann.org:8000/gnso.m3u

The meeting agenda is posted here:

https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+10th+April+2014

So?, thoughts anyone?

Thanks.

Amr

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>
> Subject: [council] new gTLD Program Committee resolution regarding Specification 13 of the new gTLD registry agreement
> Date: March 31, 2014 at 9:01:48 AM GMT+2
> To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
> 
> From:  http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-new-gtld-26mar14-en.htm
> 
> Approval of Registry Agreement Specification 13 for Brand Category of Applicants
> 
> Whereas, on 2 July 2013, the ICANN Board New gTLD Program Committee (NGPC) approved the form of the New gTLD Registry Agreement to be entered into by ICANN and successful New gTLD applicants.
> 
> Whereas, the Brand Registry Group engaged with ICANN regarding modifications to the New gTLD Registry Agreement to address concerns of their constituents.
> 
> Whereas, on 6 December 2013, ICANN posted for public comment a proposed Specification 13 to the New gTLD Registry Agreement http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/base-agreement-spec-13-proposed-06dec13-en.pdf   [PDF, 80 KB] ("Specification 13"), which if adopted would provide limited accommodations to registry operators of TLDs that qualify as ".Brand TLDs."
> 
> Whereas, the proposed Specification 13 was revised in response to the public comments, including the removal of a provision allowing a registry operator of a .BRAND TLD to designate one or more ICANN accredited registrars as the exclusive registrar(s) for the TLD in response to a comment submitted by a group of eleven registrars.   An update to the community and a revised draft was posted on the ICANN Blog on 14 March 2014 (http://blog.icann.org/2014/03/summary-and-analysis-of-specification-13-public-comments/ ). 
> 
> Whereas, on 25 March 2014 the NGPC received notification from the group of registrars that submitted the joint comment referenced above during the public comment period that it no longer objected to the inclusion of a provision allowing a registry operator of a .BRAND TLD to be limited to using no more than two registrars at one time.
> 
> Whereas, the NGPC takes specific note of Policy Recommendation 19 in the GNSO's Final Report on the Introduction of New Generic Top-Level Domains (8 August 2007), which provides that "registries must use only ICANN accredited registrars in registering domain names and may not discriminate among such accredited registrars."
> 
> Whereas, the NGPC has considered all of the comments received from the community, and has determined that the revised Specification 13 provides appropriate and limited accommodations to registry operators of TLDs that qualify as .Brand TLDs.
> 
> Whereas, the NGPC is undertaking this action pursuant to the authority granted to it by the Board on 10 April 2012, to exercise the ICANN Board's authority for any and all issues that may arise relating to the New gTLD Program.
> 
> Resolved (2014.03.26.NG01), the NGPC approves Specification 13 to the New gTLD Registry Agreement attached to this Resolution as Annex 1  (http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-new-gtld-annex-1-26mar14-en.pdf   ) [PDF, 106 KB] (which does not include the clause allowing a .Brand registry operator to designate a limited number preferred registrars for the TLD), and authorizes the President and CEO, or his designee, to take all necessary steps to implement Specification 13 to the New gTLD Registry Agreement consistent with this resolution.
> 
> Resolved (2014.03.26.NG02), the NGPC approves the incorporation of the additional clause identified below into Specification 13. Implementation will not take effect until 45 days from the publication of this resolution to:
> 
> (i) provide the GNSO Council an opportunity to advise ICANN as to whether the GNSO Council believes that this additional provision is inconsistent with the letter and intent of GNSO Policy Recommendation 19 on the Introduction of New Generic Top-Level Domains; 
> 
> or (ii) advise ICANN that the GNSO Council needs additional time for review, including an explanation as to why additional time is required.
> 
> 
> 	"The second sentence of Section 2.9(a) of the Agreement is superseded by the following:
> 
> 	Subject to the requirements of Specification 11, Registry Operator must either (i) provide non-discriminatory access to 	Registry Services to all ICANN accredited registrars that enter into and are in compliance with the registry-registrar 	agreement for the TLD; provided that Registry Operator may establish non-discriminatory criteria for qualification to register 	names in the TLD that are reasonably related to the proper functioning of the TLD, or (ii) designate no more than three 	ICANN accredited registrars at any point in time to serve as the exclusive registrar(s) for the TLD."
> 
> A .BRAND TLD registry operator may amend its Specification 13 to incorporate this provision upon request as part of implementation. The President and CEO, or his designee, is authorized to take all necessary steps to implement this provision in Specification 13 to the New gTLD Registry Agreement consistent with this resolution.

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From stephanie.perrin  Thu Apr 10 04:09:56 2014
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 21:09:56 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [HLMC] NETmundial draft outcome document
References: <F5EC910E-D639-47AF-AA7D-E02D6030C1E5@ca.inter.net>
Message-ID: <3E430787-76DE-4C44-89AA-49605F492EA2@mail.utoronto.ca>



> From: Stephanie Perrin <forge at ca.inter.net>
> Date: April 9, 2014 4:48:29 PM EDT
> To: "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org NCSG-Policy" <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
> Subject: Fwd: [HLMC] NETmundial draft outcome document
> 
> I am sharing with you my comments to the Netmundial.  Please do not forward further as I am supposed to be acting within the confidential space of the HLMC group.  However, given that the draft is now up on wikileaks, and I am accountable to you guys, I figured there is no harm in sharing my comments.  I note that the CCWG is studying the leaked document.  I hope you agree with the basic tone and content.  Various others have done a wholesale job on the document, including our own Fadi and Tarek, so I restrained myself from repeating their points.  I understand that the business community also commented on the Fadi draft.  The lady from the EC, Kroes, did a great job, so she got a little shout-out.
> What a process....
> I had already told them they needed to state a clear purpose for the document, and Jeannette Hoffman seconded that and came in with some excellent words from the recent UN declaration (dec, 2013) and from the IGF. 
> And I am dead serious about kicking our maturity level up a notch.  We need more accountability and transparency, and we need to start some method of ensuring the bona fides of whoever is representing us at these meetings.  And we need stable, secure, accountable funding mechanisms. 
I have written to some of you about my concerns regarding the Co-chair of the meeting, who was not chosen by Civil Society.  Whatever the credentials this person might have, the process was not following the multistakeholder bottom up process.  However, I learned today that the same is true for the Business Co-chair, and not only that, he is not responding to the business caucus.  I find this to be odd. 

Please let me know any comments you may have, I heard that the final draft will be posted on the 11th, prior to the meeting, and there will be no communique after the meeting, so I am not quite sure why we are all killing ourselves to get to Brazil.
Best wishes,  
>> 
>> 
>> :-)
>> Steph
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>> Date: April 9, 2014 4:37:48 PM EDT
>>> To: Daniel Fink <daniel at netmundial.br>
>>> Cc: <hlmc at netmundial.br>, Virgilio Augusto Fernandes Almeida <virgilio.almeida at mct.gov.br>, "Demi Getschko" <demi at cgi.br>, Raul Echeberria <raul at lacnic.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [HLMC] NETmundial draft outcome document
>>> 
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>> I join in congratulating you on a difficult task done rather quickly.  I attach my few comments to your initial draft, recognizing that you will now have an equally difficult task compiling the feedback you have received.  
>>> I would reiterate a few points that have been made in the dialogue online, and in other submissions. 
>>> 	*	It would be good to elaborate on the purpose of the document, as Jeannette has organized in greater detail
>>> 	*	I would urge you to start with human rights, as indeed you have, and retain them as explicit goals, as deliverables.  An information society that fails to get explicit and concrete about how it delivers human rights has only created a fully transparent populace.
>>> 	*	I have made a note in the report on the need to separate privacy from surveillance.  Data protection rarely protects the individual from state surveillance, whether their own state or somebody else's.  I am therefore uncomfortable conflating the two.  We need a separate, open conversation in the Information Society, on how national security matters ought to be 		managed, in a way that respects to the maximum possible, the human rights of the individual, and the democratic ideals of the state.  This will be a hard problem, and perhaps one that we need not attempt to address here.  Let us focus on the privacy rights of the individual, the obligations of service providers, and the need to build a technical system that 			facilitates both of these aspects of data protection first.   If you wish to address surveillance, it needs to be unpacked separately, including access to private sector systems and how it meets the rule of law, including transparency and data protection requirements.
>>> 	*	I am deeply concerned that we speak of a multi-stakeholder model, yet we have not really defined it.  I would be happy if we set ourselves the task, in the roadmap, to meet again, consult our stakeholders, and fully define what the next generation of the 
>>> 		"multistakeholder" model is.  I volunteer my time at ICANN, so I am familiar with how that model works, and I think it works pretty well, with room for improvement.  I have also volunteered in other civil society organizations, and on international standards bodies for many years.  I believe there are several persistent problems with multi-stakeholder 				approaches, many of which you mention in the report, which are far from solved:
>>> 		*	transparency and accountability
>>> 		*	funding, particularly for groups such as civil society and academics, who depend on outside agencies for support.  This creates an invisible hand.  If the multi-stakeholder model is to work, truly independent funding, established, predictable, and dispensed in a measureable and accountable way, needs to be developed.
>>> 		* 	capacity building, particularly for players who are not well represented at the moment, such as those in developing countries
>>> 		*	democratic processes.  We are still in growing pains in most organizations, we need an explicit recognition of this, and a commitment to work on fully transparent, accountable systems of delegation.  We cannot let people self appoint, and stakeholder groups need to figure out how to set up transparent and accountable processes to choose their 					representatives.
>>> 		There is no perfect system of human government.  The Internet has grown rapidly, partly due to the experimentation that has been demonstrated in its governance bodies.  Let's not lose the experimentation, but let's get more transparency, more accountability, more fairness and equity, more dedication to human rights and development as the reason we do 		this.   Funding will be a key issue, I suggest we address this explicitly at the outset.  Who wants to pay for multi-stakeholderism?
>>> 	I agree very strongly with the submission that Neelie Kroes made today.  Recognizing how difficult the task you have taken on is, and thanking you for all your hard work,  I do believe we need to force ourselves to start some of the hard discussions, and have a roadmap and timetable for doing it.  I will certainly commit to going back to my stakeholders in Civil Society, and ask them to kick our maturity level up a notch.  We need to make the multi-stakeholder model work.  As someone who spent their whole career in government, much of it working internationally, I have no illusions as to how difficult this is, regardless of the structures we work in and the humans we work with.  There is tremendous goodwill at the moment to make this work, starting at Netmundial, we need sustained effort to make it concrete. 
>>> 
>>> Congratulations on all your hard work, and I look forward to further collaboration at the meeting!
>>> 
>>> 

>>> 
>>> On 2014-04-03, at 6:36 PM, Daniel Fink wrote:
>>> 
>>>> <NETmundial draft outcome document_April_3_EMC_to_HLMC.docx>
>>> 
>> 
> 

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From rudi.vansnick  Thu Apr 10 07:34:53 2014
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:34:53 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] GNSO council meeting 10 April
Message-ID: <ECA76CA4-9942-4D93-8C08-0CD455A296CE@isoc.be>

Dear all,

Except if I missed a call (due to too many travels these weeks) we did not have a call on how to advise our councillors for this GNSO council meeting ? 

https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+10th+April+2014

How do we advise them ? 

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

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From rafik.dammak  Thu Apr 10 07:38:24 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:38:24 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] GNSO council meeting 10 April
In-Reply-To: <ECA76CA4-9942-4D93-8C08-0CD455A296CE@isoc.be>
References: <ECA76CA4-9942-4D93-8C08-0CD455A296CE@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThk+qYeiMwWaDg0ZNavzy7QDFvzoA-dAEhmkEZAru8Pb+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rudi,

There is no motion to vote for this call. The agenda is quite light and has
only 2 items as update.

Rafik
On Apr 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Except if I missed a call (due to too many travels these weeks) we did not
> have a call on how to advise our councillors for this GNSO council meeting
> ?
>
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+10th+April+2014
>
> How do we advise them ?
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
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From aelsadr  Thu Apr 10 12:54:30 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:54:30 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] GNSO council meeting 10 April
In-Reply-To: <ECA76CA4-9942-4D93-8C08-0CD455A296CE@isoc.be>
References: <ECA76CA4-9942-4D93-8C08-0CD455A296CE@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <791BC134-7970-4925-81B1-50A1709C7E36@egyptig.org>

Hi Rudi,

Like Rafik said, there are no motions on this meeting?s agenda, so no votes. I did post a message yesterday to the NCSG and NCSG-PC lists on one of the discussion items (the board resolution on changes to the RA). I?m not sure if it got through to the PC list. I didn?t get it in my inbox, but it seems to be in the archives.

If you have any concerns about today?s agenda, please make them known. Today?s call is a meant only for discussion though, and we will have time to review whatever is discussed beyond today?s meeting.

Thanks.

Amr

On Apr 10, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> Except if I missed a call (due to too many travels these weeks) we did not have a call on how to advise our councillors for this GNSO council meeting ? 
> 
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+10th+April+2014
> 
> How do we advise them ? 
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From rafik.dammak  Fri Apr 11 17:43:49 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:43:49 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] =?utf-8?q?ICANN_Draft_Five-Year_Strategic_Plan_=28FY16_?=
	=?utf-8?q?=C2=AD_FY20=29_=7C_ICANN?=
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnVEOCtKH+u4uYPG5Org38+WJWUh4fdCh+U8HpzqiCrrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

ICANN has put the draft 5 year strategic plan for comment. that is quite
important draft since it set the directions for ICANN . The process
regarding the strategy started since few months and that is critical time
to provide input at this stage.

Best Regards,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
Date: 2014-04-10 15:20 GMT+09:00
Subject: [Soac-infoalert] ICANN Draft Five-Year Strategic Plan (FY16 ?
FY20) | ICANN
To: "soac-infoalert at icann.org" <soac-infoalert at icann.org>


http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-09apr14-en.htm

Public comment is invited on the Draft ICANN Five?Year Strategic Plan
(FY16?FY20)<http://www.icann.org/en/about/planning/strategic/draft-strategic-plan-2016-2020-09apr14-en.pdf>[PDF,
1.62 MB] through May 2014. Built on community input received
throughout an extensive, public strategy conversation, the Draft Strategic
Plan proposes a new *Vision*, reiterates ICANN's existing *Mission*, and
describes five focus areas with *Strategic Objectives and Goals*. Each goal
includes proposed, strategic outcomes, risks, measures and phasing over
five years. ICANN is seeking general feedback, as well as input on the
proposed measurable outcomes for the Focus Area Goals. Your comments will
help inform the final ICANN Five?Year Strategic Plan.
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From rafik.dammak  Sat Apr 12 13:17:16 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:17:16 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,

The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.

Best,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <
rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>



Dear Kristina and Rafik,



Please find the results of the second round of voting which closed on
Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
Final tally :



  7 votes     Avri Doria

  6 votes     Bill Graham

  0 vote      None of the above



We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting
due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at
23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any
covering note that has to be sent with the vote.



Thank you.

Kind regards,



Glen




*Machine tally:**Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):* 13
*Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
*Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0

*Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*

                Select just one of the nominees below

1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria

2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham

3:  0 votes    [] None of the above



*Ballots Received:*



Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]





Glen de Saint G?ry

GNSO Secretariat

gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org

http://gnso.icann.org
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From aelsadr  Sat Apr 12 14:39:17 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:39:17 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
	round
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>

Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)

Nice.

On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi ,
> 
> The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
> To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Kristina and Rafik,
> 
>  
> 
> Please find the results of the second round of voting which closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> Final tally :
> 
>  
> 
>   7 votes     Avri Doria
>   6 votes     Bill Graham
>   0 vote      None of the above
>  
> We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.
>  
> Thank you.
> Kind regards,
>  
> Glen
>  
> 
> Machine tally:
> Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates): 13
> Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates): 13
> Voters Who Haven't Voted: 0
> 
> Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):
> 
>                 Select just one of the nominees below
> 
> 1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria
> 
> 2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham
> 
> 3:  0 votes    [] None of the above
> 
>  
> 
> Ballots Received:
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [ ]
> 
>   2: [X]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [ ]
> 
>   2: [X]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [ ]
> 
>   2: [X]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [ ]
> 
>   2: [X]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [ ]
> 
>   2: [X]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [ ]
> 
>   2: [X]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
> Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36 UTC (counted)
> 
>   1: [X]
> 
>   2: [ ]
> 
>   3: [ ]
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Glen de Saint G?ry
> 
> GNSO Secretariat
> 
> gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
> 
> http://gnso.icann.org
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From robin  Sat Apr 12 19:33:46 2014
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 09:33:46 -0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
	round
In-Reply-To: <7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>
Message-ID: <7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>

This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!

Best,
Robin

On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:

> Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
> 
> Nice.
> 
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi ,
>> 
>> The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>> To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dear Kristina and Rafik,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Please find the results of the second round of voting which closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>> Final tally :
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   7 votes     Avri Doria
>>   6 votes     Bill Graham
>>   0 vote      None of the above
>>  
>> We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.
>>  
>> Thank you.
>> Kind regards,
>>  
>> Glen
>>  
>> 
>> Machine tally:
>> Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates): 13
>> Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates): 13
>> Voters Who Haven't Voted: 0
>> 
>> Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):
>> 
>>                 Select just one of the nominees below
>> 
>> 1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria
>> 
>> 2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham
>> 
>> 3:  0 votes    [] None of the above
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballots Received:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [ ]
>> 
>>   2: [X]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [ ]
>> 
>>   2: [X]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [ ]
>> 
>>   2: [X]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [ ]
>> 
>>   2: [X]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [ ]
>> 
>>   2: [X]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [ ]
>> 
>>   2: [X]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36 UTC (counted)
>> 
>>   1: [X]
>> 
>>   2: [ ]
>> 
>>   3: [ ]
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Glen de Saint G?ry
>> 
>> GNSO Secretariat
>> 
>> gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>> 
>> http://gnso.icann.org
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
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From wjdrake  Sun Apr 13 12:59:47 2014
From: wjdrake (William Drake)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:59:47 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>
	<7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <3B23855A-DF37-430F-86FB-3092C5241AF4@gmail.com>

Mikey is the key.  


On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
> 
> Best,
> Robin
> 
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> 
>> Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>> 
>> Nice.
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi ,
>>> 
>>> The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>>> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>>> To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dear Kristina and Rafik,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Please find the results of the second round of voting which closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>> Final tally :
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   7 votes     Avri Doria
>>>   6 votes     Bill Graham
>>>   0 vote      None of the above
>>>  
>>> We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.
>>>  
>>> Thank you.
>>> Kind regards,
>>>  
>>> Glen
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Machine tally:
>>> Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates): 13
>>> Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates): 13
>>> Voters Who Haven't Voted: 0
>>> 
>>> Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):
>>> 
>>>                 Select just one of the nominees below
>>> 
>>> 1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria
>>> 
>>> 2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham
>>> 
>>> 3:  0 votes    [] None of the above
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballots Received:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   2: [X]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   2: [X]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   2: [X]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   2: [X]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   2: [X]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   2: [X]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36 UTC (counted)
>>> 
>>>   1: [X]
>>> 
>>>   2: [ ]
>>> 
>>>   3: [ ]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Glen de Saint G?ry
>>> 
>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>> 
>>> gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>> 
>>> http://gnso.icann.org
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 
> _______________________________________________
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William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
  Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
  University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
  ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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From mllemineur  Mon Apr 14 07:18:35 2014
From: mllemineur (marie-laure Lemineur)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:18:35 +0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <3B23855A-DF37-430F-86FB-3092C5241AF4@gmail.com>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>
	<7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>
	<3B23855A-DF37-430F-86FB-3092C5241AF4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3sNqHnGRfy9AVUPkRmH7qjoyNnKa8CukO_m0ZvaWm0hUA0SQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
Singapore, for the third round, is still on...

best,

ml


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mikey is the key.
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
> This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>
> Best,
> Robin
>
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>
> Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>
> Nice.
>
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi ,
>
> The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
> To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>
>
>
> Dear Kristina and Rafik,
>
>
>
> Please find the results of the second round of voting which closed on
> Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> Final tally :
>
>
>
>   7 votes     Avri Doria
>
>   6 votes     Bill Graham
>
>   0 vote      None of the above
>
>
>
> We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>
> *Machine tally:**Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):* 13
> *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
> *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0
>
> *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*
>
>                 Select just one of the nominees below
>
> 1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria
>
> 2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham
>
> 3:  0 votes    [] None of the above
>
>
>
> *Ballots Received:*
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [ ]
>
>   2: [X]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [ ]
>
>   2: [X]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01 UTC
> *(counted)*
>
>   1: [ ]
>
>   2: [X]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [ ]
>
>   2: [X]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [ ]
>
>   2: [X]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [ ]
>
>   2: [X]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
> Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36 UTC *(counted)*
>
>   1: [X]
>
>   2: [ ]
>
>   3: [ ]
>
>
>
>
>
> Glen de Saint G?ry
>
> GNSO Secretariat
>
> gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>
> http://gnso.icann.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
>
> ***********************************************
> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> william.drake at uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com (lists),
>   www.williamdrake.org
> ***********************************************
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mllemineur  Mon Apr 14 09:47:37 2014
From: mllemineur (marie-laure Lemineur)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:47:37 +0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <CAD3sNqHnGRfy9AVUPkRmH7qjoyNnKa8CukO_m0ZvaWm0hUA0SQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>
	<7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>
	<3B23855A-DF37-430F-86FB-3092C5241AF4@gmail.com>
	<CAD3sNqHnGRfy9AVUPkRmH7qjoyNnKa8CukO_m0ZvaWm0hUA0SQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3sNqGZC+FsEKEM3_vEK=8w1rkLVj6dbUZtR-ZSkffp=eOg0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rafik,

I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.

Best,

Marie-laure


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur <mllemineur at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
> Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>
> best,
>
> ml
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mikey is the key.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>
>> Best,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>
>> Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>> To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <
>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Kristina and Rafik,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find the results of the second round of voting which closed on
>> Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>> Final tally :
>>
>>
>>
>>   7 votes     Avri Doria
>>
>>   6 votes     Bill Graham
>>
>>   0 vote      None of the above
>>
>>
>>
>> We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Machine tally:**Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):* 13
>> *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>> *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0
>>
>> *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*
>>
>>                 Select just one of the nominees below
>>
>> 1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria
>>
>> 2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham
>>
>> 3:  0 votes    [] None of the above
>>
>>
>>
>> *Ballots Received:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [ ]
>>
>>   2: [X]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [ ]
>>
>>   2: [X]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [ ]
>>
>>   2: [X]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [ ]
>>
>>   2: [X]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [ ]
>>
>>   2: [X]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [ ]
>>
>>   2: [X]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36 UTC
>> *(counted)*
>>
>>   1: [X]
>>
>>   2: [ ]
>>
>>   3: [ ]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen de Saint G?ry
>>
>> GNSO Secretariat
>>
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>>
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>>
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From avri  Mon Apr 14 18:06:50 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:06:50 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <CAD3sNqGZC+FsEKEM3_vEK=8w1rkLVj6dbUZtR-ZSkffp=eOg0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>	<7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>	<7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>	<3B23855A-DF37-430F-86FB-3092C5241AF4@gmail.com>	<CAD3sNqHnGRfy9AVUPkRmH7qjoyNnKa8CukO_m0ZvaWm0hUA0SQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <534BF98A.7080608@acm.org>

Hi,

I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.

If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.

Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.

thanks

avri


On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> Dear Rafik,
> 
> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Marie-laure
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>     I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>     Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
> 
>     best,
> 
>     ml
> 
> 
>     On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>     <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Mikey is the key.  
> 
> 
>         On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>         <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> 
>>         This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>
>>         Best,
>>         Robin
>>
>>         On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>
>>>         Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>>>
>>>         Nice.
>>>
>>>         On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>         <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>         Hi ,
>>>>
>>>>         The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>>>
>>>>         Best,
>>>>
>>>>         Rafik
>>>>
>>>>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>         From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>         <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>         Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>         Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>>>>         To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>         <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>         "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>         <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>         Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>         <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>>>>         closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>         Final tally :____
>>>>
>>>>         *__ __*
>>>>
>>>>           7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>           6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>           0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>         __ __
>>>>         We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.____
>>>>         __ __
>>>>         Thank you.____
>>>>         Kind regards,____
>>>>         __ __
>>>>         Glen____
>>>>
>>>>         *__ __*
>>>>
>>>>         *Machine tally:
>>>>         **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>         *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>         *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>
>>>>         *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>
>>>>                         Select just one of the nominees below____
>>>>
>>>>         1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>
>>>>         2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>
>>>>         3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>
>>>>         *__ __*
>>>>
>>>>         *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08 15:57:41
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08 13:35:34
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08 11:39:05
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08 11:31:12
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36
>>>>         UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>
>>>>           1: [X]____
>>>>
>>>>           2: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>           3: [ ]____
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         __ __
>>>>
>>>>         Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>
>>>>         GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>
>>>>         gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>>>         <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org> ____
>>>>
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From rudi.vansnick  Mon Apr 14 18:29:19 2014
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:29:19 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <534BF98A.7080608@acm.org>
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549EC0F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>	<CAH5sThnWt9Pswr1gYLQYS0NxsbfdD2f2FmcZF_XW1uWHOuGNvA@mail.gmail.com>	<7FE24A9B-C107-4E3B-96B0-2A8E093D33A0@egyptig.org>	<7DE7C863-145B-4C8B-A2AF-64B6C094D418@ipjustice.org>	<3B23855A-DF37-430F-86FB-3092C5241AF4@gmail.com>	<CAD3sNqHnGRfy9AVUPkRmH7qjoyNnKa8CukO_m0ZvaWm0hUA0SQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD3sNqGZC+FsEKEM3_vEK=8w1rkLVj6dbUZtR-ZSkffp=eOg0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<534BF98A.7080608@acm.org>
Message-ID: <25388823-7321-4924-B859-6A2217C58719@isoc.be>

Dear Policy Committee members,

As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as the compromise candidate.

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
> 
> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
> 
> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
> 
> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> 
> thanks
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> Dear Rafik,
>> 
>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Marie-laure
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Hi all,
>> 
>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>> 
>>    best,
>> 
>>    ml
>> 
>> 
>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>        Mikey is the key.  
>> 
>> 
>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>> 
>>>        Best,
>>>        Robin
>>> 
>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>> 
>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>>>> 
>>>>        Nice.
>>>> 
>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>> 
>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>> 
>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> 
>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.____
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11 15:28:42
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10 13:40:01
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10 13:08:07
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10 09:26:14
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08 16:52:25
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
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>>          Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>          University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>        Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
>>          ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>
>>        william.drake at uzh.ch
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From stephanie.perrin  Mon Apr 14 18:39:14 2014
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:39:14 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <534BF98A.7080608@acm.org>
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You go girl!! we will be rooting for you, (and Sam too of course, if we wind up in the deadlock)  when is the next round?
steph
On 2014-04-14, at 11:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
> 
> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
> 
> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> 
> thanks
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> Dear Rafik,
>> 
>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Marie-laure
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Hi all,
>> 
>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>> 
>>    best,
>> 
>>    ml
>> 
>> 
>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>        Mikey is the key.  
>> 
>> 
>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>> 
>>>        Best,
>>>        Robin
>>> 
>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>> 
>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>>>> 
>>>>        Nice.
>>>> 
>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>> 
>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>> 
>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> 
>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.____
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> 
>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
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>>>>>        Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36
>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>        <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org> ____
>>>>> 
>>>>>        http://gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org/>____
>>>>> 
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>>>>>        PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
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>>>> 
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>> 
>>        ***********************************************
>>        William J. Drake
>>        International Fellow & Lecturer
>>          Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>          University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>        Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
>>          ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>
>>        william.drake at uzh.ch
>>        <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch> (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> (lists),
>>          www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org>
>>        ***********************************************
>> 
>> 
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From avri  Mon Apr 14 23:41:58 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:41:58 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
In-Reply-To: <BAFCEC7E-F1A3-4751-8856-FE75A87BA563@mail.utoronto.ca>
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On 14-Apr-14 11:39, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> when is the next round?

started today.
ends on the 16th.

avri



From rafik.dammak  Thu Apr 17 17:34:34 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 23:34:34 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: NCPH Election - round three results
In-Reply-To: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5F01CAF549ED60@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
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Hello everyone,

here the official results of the election.

Best Regards,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
Date: 2014-04-17 14:42 GMT+09:00
Subject: NCPH Election - round three results
To: "krosette at cov.com" <krosette at cov.com>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com" <
rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Cc: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>


Dear Kristina and Rafik,

Please find the results of the third round of the Board seat 14 elections.

1:  7 votes    Avri Doria

2:  6 votes    Bill Graham
3:  0 votes   None of the above

Please contact Jonathan Robinson with regard to the procedure and way
forward from here because the ICANN secretary should be notified of the
results on 16 April 2014.

Please let me know if you need me to do anything further.

Thank you.
Kind regards,

Glen

*Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):* 13
*Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
*Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0

*Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*

                Select just one of the nominees below

1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria

2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham

3:  0 votes    [] None of the above

*Ballots Received:*



Ballot ID 3157821b53b4641  Received at 2014-04-16 15:31:24 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 07bb01366635703  Received at 2014-04-16 15:25:19 UTC *(counted)*

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  2: [X]

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Ballot ID 66ce8d4042e9a7f  Received at 2014-04-16 10:29:42 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID d05744ccf7009c7  Received at 2014-04-15 20:14:19 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 2670f42cfac3303  Received at 2014-04-15 18:17:31 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID c3714952bd84634  Received at 2014-04-15 17:48:45 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID c3dfc8ca7bf71e7  Received at 2014-04-14 19:21:24 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

  2: [ ]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID ccf0f84721710e2  Received at 2014-04-14 15:54:24 UTC *(counted)*

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  2: [X]

  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 9f24bedbee49b47 Received at 2014-04-14 13:14:39 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [ ]

  2: [X]

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Ballot ID bf1f92c6327ba24  Received at 2014-04-14 09:52:05 UTC *(counted)*

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  3: [ ]



Ballot ID 12aa668086c3c96  Received at 2014-04-14 09:17:35 UTC *(counted)*

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Ballot ID 5ba101d144ffc5b  Received at 2014-04-14 08:42:55 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

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  3: [ ]



Ballot ID bb0f53cc14a550a  Received at 2014-04-14 08:02:16 UTC *(counted)*

  1: [X]

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  3: [ ]



*List of Authorized Voters: *

gabrielaszlak at gmail.com:1

john at crediblecontext.com:1

mike at haven2.com:1

onovoa at Antel.com.uy:1

brian.winterfeldt at kattenlaw.com:1

petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu:1

maria.farrell at gmail.com:1

magaly.pazello at gmail.com:1

kdrstoll at gmail.com:1

dave at difference.com.au:1

avri at acm.org:1

aelsadr at egyptig.org:1

dan-reed at uiowa.edu:1



*Email errors: *No email errors reported yet (reload page to check)





Glen de Saint G?ry

GNSO Secretariat

gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org

http://gnso.icann.org
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From mllemineur  Thu Apr 17 18:13:27 2014
From: mllemineur (Marie-laure Lemineur)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 22:13:27 +0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Dear NCSG-PC members, 

The results of the third round were just released.  This third round ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we ( NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that many can feel.

Best, 

Marie-laure





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> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> escribi?:
> 
> Dear Policy Committee members,
> 
> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as the compromise candidate.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
> 
>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>> 
>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>> 
>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>> Dear Rafik,
>>> 
>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Marie-laure
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Hi all,
>>> 
>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>> 
>>>    best,
>>> 
>>>    ml
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>        Mikey is the key.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>>> 
>>>>        Best,
>>>>        Robin
>>>> 
>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>>>>> 
>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>> 
>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the vote.____
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11 16:49:17
>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
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>>>>>>        __ __
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
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>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
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>>>>>>        Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08 09:48:11
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>>>>>>        Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08 08:41:13
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08 06:59:36
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>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>>        <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org> ____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        http://gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org/>____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> 
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From avri  Thu Apr 17 18:39:33 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:39:33 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi,

While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.

And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.

Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
in a election between Sam and none of the above.

That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
shows that.

avri

On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> Dear NCSG-PC members, 
> 
> The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
> many can feel.
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Marie-laure
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPad
> 
> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
> 
>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>
>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
>> the compromise candidate.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Rudi Vansnick
>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> NPOC treasurer
>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>
>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>>>
>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>
>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>
>>>>    best,
>>>>
>>>>    ml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        Mikey is the key.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>
>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>        Robin
>>>>>
>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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>>>>>>>
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From maria.farrell  Thu Apr 17 18:57:25 2014
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:57:25 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi Marie Laure et al,

Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to
three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't
going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG
as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least
we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will
agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather
in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
inconclusive.

So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet - apart
from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
outright in three rounds of voting.

Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
stand behind Sam as that person.

>From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they
will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make
sure we're all happy.

Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we
should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome
in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when
they agree, say we propose Sam.

How does that sound as a next step?

Maria

p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!


On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>
> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>
> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>
> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
> shows that.
>
> avri
>
> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
> >
> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
> > many can feel.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Marie-laure
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPad
> >
> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
> >
> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
> >>
> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
> >> the compromise candidate.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Rudi Vansnick
> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> >> NPOC treasurer
> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
> >>
> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
> >>>
> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
> >>>
> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rafik,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
> >>>>
> >>>>    best,
> >>>>
> >>>>    ml
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Best,
> >>>>>        Robin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!!
> :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        Nice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Rafik
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
> >>>>>>> vote.____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        Glen____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Glen de Saint G?ry ____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        GNSO Secretariat ____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org> ____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        http://gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org/>____
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> >>>>
> >>>>        ***********************************************
> >>>>        William J. Drake
> >>>>        International Fellow & Lecturer
> >>>>          Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> >>>>          University of Zurich, Switzerland
> >>>>        Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> >>>>          ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org> <
> http://www.ncuc.org>
> >>>>        william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
> >>>>        <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch> (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>>>        <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> (lists),
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From mllemineur  Thu Apr 17 19:27:11 2014
From: mllemineur (Marie-laure Lemineur)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 23:27:11 +0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi all, 

Agree with you Avri and Maria about what we agreed. The only thing, is that I remember and I somehow registered we agreed on  two rounds, which at this stage does not make a difference, plus the transcript is there.  But the truth is, that I am more tired than curious tonight, thus I 
won' t  double-check today and look for the transcript, if this is just a case of  memory failing me on this one. 

Anyhow,  Maria, I fully agree on your proposed strategy. Sounds the best way to go. And of course, Avri you have done a good job gaining more votes than Bill, no doubt. You should be proud of it. 

Best, 

Mll
Enviado desde mi iPad

> El 17/04/2014, a las 10:57 p.m., Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com> escribi?:
> 
> Hi Marie Laure et al,
> 
> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive. 
> 
> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting. 
> 
> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
> 
> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.  
> 
> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
> 
> How does that sound as a next step?
> 
> Maria
> 
> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
> 
> 
>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>> 
>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>> 
>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>> 
>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>> shows that.
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>> >
>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
>> > many can feel.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Marie-laure
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>> >
>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>> >
>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>> >>
>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
>> >> the compromise candidate.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> >> NPOC treasurer
>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>> >>
>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>> >>>
>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> avri
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Marie-laure
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    ml
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>        Best,
>> >>>>>        Robin
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
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From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:40:25 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi Maria,

Thanks for the summary,
it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and having
the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd and
final round .
yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate the
discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict CSG
reactions and we should be ready for that.
I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that we
should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this
weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who
are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).

Best Regards,

Rafik


2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:

> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>
> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to
> three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't
> going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG
> as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least
> we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will
> agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather
> in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
> inconclusive.
>
> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet -
> apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
> outright in three rounds of voting.
>
> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
> stand behind Sam as that person.
>
> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they
> will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make
> sure we're all happy.
>
> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we
> should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome
> in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when
> they agree, say we propose Sam.
>
> How does that sound as a next step?
>
> Maria
>
> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
> behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
> shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>
>
> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>
>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>
>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>
>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>> shows that.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>> >
>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
>> > many can feel.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Marie-laure
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>> >
>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>> >
>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>> >>
>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
>> >> the compromise candidate.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> >> NPOC treasurer
>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>> >>
>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>> >>>
>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> avri
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Marie-laure
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    ml
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>        Best,
>> >>>>>        Robin
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!!
>> :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>
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From: magaly.pazello (Magaly Pazello)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:50:28 -0300
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi!
It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik observations
about the CSG reactions.
Thank you our brave Avri!

For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
account card fraud!

Magaly


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Maria,
>
> Thanks for the summary,
> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and having
> the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd and
> final round .
> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate the
> discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict CSG
> reactions and we should be ready for that.
> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that
> we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this
> weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who
> are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>
>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to
>> three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't
>> going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG
>> as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least
>> we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will
>> agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather
>> in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
>> inconclusive.
>>
>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet -
>> apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
>> outright in three rounds of voting.
>>
>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>
>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they
>> will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make
>> sure we're all happy.
>>
>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we
>> should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome
>> in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when
>> they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>
>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>
>> Maria
>>
>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
>> behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
>> shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>
>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>
>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>
>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>> shows that.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>> >
>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment
>>> that
>>> > many can feel.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Marie-laure
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>> >
>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>> >>
>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>> >>
>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> avri
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Best,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>    best,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>    ml
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>> round!! :)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
>>> round
>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting
>>> which
>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
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>>> >>>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
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>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
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>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
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From rafik.dammak  Sat Apr 19 12:14:38 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 18:14:38 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi everybody,

I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it
may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such
call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about
the compromise there.
Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)

Best Regards,

Rafik

2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:

> Hi!
> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
> observations about the CSG reactions.
> Thank you our brave Avri!
>
> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
> account card fraud!
>
> Magaly
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Maria,
>>
>> Thanks for the summary,
>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and having
>> the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd and
>> final round .
>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate
>> the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict
>> CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that
>> we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this
>> weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who
>> are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>
>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to
>>> three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't
>>> going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG
>>> as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least
>>> we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will
>>> agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather
>>> in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
>>> inconclusive.
>>>
>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet -
>>> apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
>>> outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>
>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>
>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they
>>> will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make
>>> sure we're all happy.
>>>
>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think
>>> we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear
>>> outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and
>>> if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>
>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>
>>> Maria
>>>
>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
>>> behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
>>> shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>>
>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>
>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>
>>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>>> shows that.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>> >
>>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
>>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed
>>>> that
>>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
>>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in
>>>> order
>>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that
>>>> it
>>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to
>>>> do
>>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment
>>>> that
>>>> > many can feel.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> >
>>>> > Marie-laure
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>> >
>>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for
>>>> the
>>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco
>>>> as
>>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Kind regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> thanks
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> avri
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order
>>>> to
>>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Best,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting
>>>> in
>>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>    best,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>    ml
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>>> round!! :)
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd
>>>> round.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
>>>> round
>>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting
>>>> which
>>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
>>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>> 16:49:17
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>>>> 15:28:42
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From avri  Sat Apr 19 14:05:49 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:05:49 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi,

I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
the NetMundial or other activities of next week.

What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
way on things, he can be on the Board.

The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
vs. NOTA.

avri

On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
> about the compromise there.
> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
> 
>     Hi!
>     It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>     observations about the CSG reactions.
>     Thank you our brave Avri!
> 
>     For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>     airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>     credit/bank account card fraud!
> 
>     Magaly
> 
> 
>     On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>     <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Hi Maria,
> 
>         Thanks for the summary,
>         it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>         and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>         deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>         yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>         initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>         we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>         I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>         results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>         easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>         quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>         soon). 
> 
>         Best Regards,
> 
>         Rafik 
> 
> 
>         2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>         <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
> 
>             Hi Marie Laure et al,
> 
>             Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>             thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>             an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>             candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>             compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>             (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>             and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>             Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>             we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
> 
>             So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>             just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>             NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting.
> 
>             Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>             on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>             NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
> 
>             From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>             or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>             across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
> 
>             Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>             step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>             basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>             shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>             agree, say we propose Sam.
> 
>             How does that sound as a next step?
> 
>             Maria
> 
>             p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>             election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>             secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>             through. Tant pis!
> 
> 
>             On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>             <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> 
>                 Hi,
> 
>                 While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>                 agreed to, I
>                 appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>                 the fact that all
>                 of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>                 majority vote.
> 
>                 And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
> 
>                 Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>                 sole candidate
>                 in a election between Sam and none of the above.
> 
>                 That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>                 the record
>                 shows that.
> 
>                 avri
> 
>                 On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>                 > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>                 >
>                 > The results of the third round were just released.
>                  This third round
>                 > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>                 NCSG though its
>                 > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>                 candidate. Just in
>                 > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>                 we had agreed that
>                 > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>                 happened, Sam would be
>                 > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>                 despite that, in order
>                 > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>                 good faith, we (
>                 > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>                 happen. Now, that it
>                 > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>                 fair thing to do
>                 > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>                 disappointment that
>                 > many can feel.
>                 >
>                 > Best,
>                 >
>                 > Marie-laure
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > Enviado desde mi iPad
>                 >
>                 > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>                 <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>                 > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>                 <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>                 >
>                 >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>                 >>
>                 >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>                 the committee
>                 >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>                 mail. We go for the
>                 >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>                 Sam Lanfranco as
>                 >> the compromise candidate.
>                 >>
>                 >> Kind regards,
>                 >>
>                 >> Rudi Vansnick
>                 >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>                 >> NPOC treasurer
>                 >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>                 <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>                 <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>                 <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>                 >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>                 <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>                 >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>                 <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>                 >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org> <http://www.npoc.org>
>                 >>
>                 >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>                 <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>                 >> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>                 volgende geschreven:
>                 >>
>                 >>> Hi,
>                 >>>
>                 >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>                 what happens.
>                 >>>
>                 >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>                 the deadlock we
>                 >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>                 candidate.
>                 >>>
>                 >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>                 >>>
>                 >>> thanks
>                 >>>
>                 >>> avri
>                 >>>
>                 >>>
>                 >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>                 >>>> Dear Rafik,
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>                  soonest in order to
>                 >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>                 round.
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>> Best,
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>> Marie-laure
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>                 >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>                 <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>                 >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>    Hi all,
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>                 policy meeting in
>                 >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>    best,
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>    ml
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>                 <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>                 >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>                 >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>                 <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>                 >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>                 <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>                 >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>                 <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>                 >>>>
>                 >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>                  Keep it up, team!!
>                 >>>>>
>                 >>>>>        Best,
>                 >>>>>        Robin
>                 >>>>>
>                 >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>                 >>>>>
>                 >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>                 vote this round!! :)
>                 >>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>        Nice.
>                 >>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>                 >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>                 >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>                 >>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>                 have a 3rd round.
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Best,
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Rafik
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>                 >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>                 <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>                 >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>                 >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>                 <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>                 >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>                 results second round
>                 >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com
>                 <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>                 <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>                 >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>                 >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com
>                 <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>                 <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>                 >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>                 <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>                 >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>                 >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
>                 >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>                 >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>                 <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>                 >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>                 >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>                 <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second
>                 round of voting which
>                 >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>                 >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>                 >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>                 >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue
>                 with the third
>                 >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>                 April 2014 and
>                 >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>                 us with the text
>                 >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>                 be sent with the
>                 >>>>>>> vote.____
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>                 >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>        Glen____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>                 >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including
>                 duplicates):*13
>                 >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>                 >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>                 if any):*____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the
>                 nominees below____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at
>                 2014-04-11 16:49:17
>                 >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at
>                 2014-04-11 15:28:42
>                 >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        __ __
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at
>                 2014-04-10 13:40:01
>                 >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>                 >>>>>>>
>                 >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>                 >>>>>>>
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From aelsadr  Sat Apr 19 14:29:15 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 13:29:15 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi,

I would like to be on this call if it takes place, but recommend that it be postponed (even for a few days) if it won?t be populated well because of NM conflicts.

In terms of what we should discuss; we should certainly present Sam as a compromise candidate as an item to be followed up on. I?m sure the CSG will want to talk to him, like they did Avri as well as David when we proposed him as a GNSO Council VC.

We should also start discussions with them on the broken voting mechanism. We need a serious discussion with them on this, and figure out ways to remedy it. If the discussion starts well on a call, it can be followed up on the NCPH list afterwards.

Thanks.

Amr

On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
> 
> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
> way on things, he can be on the Board.
> 
> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
> vs. NOTA.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> 
>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>> about the compromise there.
>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rafik 
>> 
>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>>    Hi!
>>    It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>    observations about the CSG reactions.
>>    Thank you our brave Avri!
>> 
>>    For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>    airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>    credit/bank account card fraud!
>> 
>>    Magaly
>> 
>> 
>>    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>    <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>        Hi Maria,
>> 
>>        Thanks for the summary,
>>        it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>        and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>        deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>        yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>        initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>        we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>        I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>        results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>        easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>        quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>        soon). 
>> 
>>        Best Regards,
>> 
>>        Rafik 
>> 
>> 
>>        2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>>            Hi Marie Laure et al,
>> 
>>            Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>            thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>            an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>            candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>            compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>            (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>            and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>            Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>            we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>> 
>>            So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>            just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>            NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting.
>> 
>>            Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>            on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>            NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>> 
>>            From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>            or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>            across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
>> 
>>            Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>            step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>            basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>            shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>            agree, say we propose Sam.
>> 
>>            How does that sound as a next step?
>> 
>>            Maria
>> 
>>            p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>            election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>            secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>            through. Tant pis!
>> 
>> 
>>            On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>            <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>                Hi,
>> 
>>                While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>                agreed to, I
>>                appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>>                the fact that all
>>                of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>                majority vote.
>> 
>>                And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>> 
>>                Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>                sole candidate
>>                in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>> 
>>                That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>>                the record
>>                shows that.
>> 
>>                avri
>> 
>>                On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>> 
>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>                 This third round
>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>                NCSG though its
>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>                candidate. Just in
>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>                we had agreed that
>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>                happened, Sam would be
>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>                despite that, in order
>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>                good faith, we (
>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>                happen. Now, that it
>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>                fair thing to do
>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>                disappointment that
>>> many can feel.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Marie-laure
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>> 
>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>                <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>> 
>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>                the committee
>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>                mail. We go for the
>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>                Sam Lanfranco as
>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org> <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>> 
>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>                <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>                volgende geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>                what happens.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>                the deadlock we
>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>                candidate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> avri
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>                 soonest in order to
>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>                round.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>                policy meeting in
>>>>>>   Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   ml
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>                <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>   <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Mikey is the key.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>                <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>       <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>>                 Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>       Robin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>       Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>                vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>       Nice.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Hi ,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>                have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Rafik
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>       From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>                <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>       Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>                results second round
>>>>>>>>>       To: "krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>       <krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>>>>>>>>>       "rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
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>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Please find the results of the second
>>                round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>       closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>       Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>         7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>         6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>         0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>       We await your instructions to continue
>>                with the third
>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>                April 2014 and
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>>                us with the text
>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>                be sent with the
>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>       Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>       Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>       Glen____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>       **Total Ballots Cast (including
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>>>>>>>>>       *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                       Select just one of the
>>                nominees below____
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From stephanie.perrin  Sat Apr 19 16:06:32 2014
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:06:32 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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+1.  Unclear whether our little HLMC committee has some function next week, but they would be the priority.  Not clear why policy cttee needs to cluster on this, i for one have no real contribution to make.  This process is still pretty odd to me.
And congrats again to Avri for beating the odds!!
stephanie
On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
> 
> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
> way on things, he can be on the Board.
> 
> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
> vs. NOTA.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> 
>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>> about the compromise there.
>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rafik 
>> 
>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>>    Hi!
>>    It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>    observations about the CSG reactions.
>>    Thank you our brave Avri!
>> 
>>    For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>    airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>    credit/bank account card fraud!
>> 
>>    Magaly
>> 
>> 
>>    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>    <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>        Hi Maria,
>> 
>>        Thanks for the summary,
>>        it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>        and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>        deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>        yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>        initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>        we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>        I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>        results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>        easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>        quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>        soon). 
>> 
>>        Best Regards,
>> 
>>        Rafik 
>> 
>> 
>>        2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>> 
>>            Hi Marie Laure et al,
>> 
>>            Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>            thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>            an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>            candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>            compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>            (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>            and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>            Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>            we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>> 
>>            So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>            just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>            NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting.
>> 
>>            Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>            on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>            NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>> 
>>            From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>            or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>            across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
>> 
>>            Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>            step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>            basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>            shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>            agree, say we propose Sam.
>> 
>>            How does that sound as a next step?
>> 
>>            Maria
>> 
>>            p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>            election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>            secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>            through. Tant pis!
>> 
>> 
>>            On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>            <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>                Hi,
>> 
>>                While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>                agreed to, I
>>                appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>>                the fact that all
>>                of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>                majority vote.
>> 
>>                And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>> 
>>                Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>                sole candidate
>>                in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>> 
>>                That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>>                the record
>>                shows that.
>> 
>>                avri
>> 
>>                On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>> 
>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>                 This third round
>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>                NCSG though its
>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>                candidate. Just in
>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>                we had agreed that
>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>                happened, Sam would be
>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>                despite that, in order
>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>                good faith, we (
>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>                happen. Now, that it
>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>                fair thing to do
>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>                disappointment that
>>> many can feel.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Marie-laure
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>> 
>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>                <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>> 
>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>                the committee
>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>                mail. We go for the
>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>                Sam Lanfranco as
>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
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>>>> 
>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>                <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>                volgende geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>                what happens.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>                the deadlock we
>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>                candidate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> avri
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>                 soonest in order to
>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>                round.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>                policy meeting in
>>>>>>   Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   ml
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>                <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>   <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Mikey is the key.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>                <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>       <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>>                 Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>       Robin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>       Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>                vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>       Nice.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Hi ,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>                have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Rafik
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>       From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>                <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>       Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>                results second round
>>>>>>>>>       To: "krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>       <krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>>>>>>>>>       "rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Please find the results of the second
>>                round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>       closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>       Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>         7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>         6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>         0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>       We await your instructions to continue
>>                with the third
>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>                April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>>                us with the text
>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>                be sent with the
>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>       Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>       Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>       Glen____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>       **Total Ballots Cast (including
>>                duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>>>       *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>>>       *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>>                if any):*____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                       Select just one of the
>>                nominees below____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>                2014-04-11 16:49:17
>>>>>>>>>       UTC *(counted)*____
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>>>>>>>>>       __ __
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>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>                <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>                <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>                <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>> ____
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       http://gnso.icann.org
>>                <http://gnso.icann.org/>____
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>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>       ***********************************************
>>>>>>       William J. Drake
>>>>>>       International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>>>>         Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>>>>         University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>>>>       Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>>>>>         ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>
>>                <http://www.ncuc.org> <http://www.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>       william.drake at uzh.ch
>>                <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
>>                <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
>>>>>>       <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch
>>                <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> (direct),
>>                wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>       <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> (lists),
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>>                <http://www.williamdrake.org> <http://www.williamdrake.org>
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>>                <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
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From avri  Sat Apr 19 16:10:01 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:10:01 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi,

Well, as a compromise candidate, perhaps we should suggest that we talk
to Sam together as a house.

avri



On 19-Apr-14 07:29, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to be on this call if it takes place, but recommend that it
> be postponed (even for a few days) if it won?t be populated well because
> of NM conflicts.
> 
> In terms of what we should discuss; we should certainly present Sam as a
> compromise candidate as an item to be followed up on. I?m sure the CSG
> will want to talk to him, like they did Avri as well as David when we
> proposed him as a GNSO Council VC.
> 
> We should also start discussions with them on the broken voting
> mechanism. We need a serious discussion with them on this, and figure
> out ways to remedy it. If the discussion starts well on a call, it can
> be followed up on the NCPH list afterwards.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
>> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>>
>> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
>> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
>> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
>> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
>> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
>> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
>> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>>
>> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
>> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
>> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
>> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
>> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
>> vs. NOTA.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>>> about the compromise there.
>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik 
>>>
>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>    Hi!
>>>    It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>    observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>    Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>
>>>    For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>    airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>>    credit/bank account card fraud!
>>>
>>>    Magaly
>>>
>>>
>>>    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>    <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>        Hi Maria,
>>>
>>>        Thanks for the summary,
>>>        it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>>        and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>>        deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>>        yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>        initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>>        we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>        I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>>        results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>>        easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>>        quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>>        soon). 
>>>
>>>        Best Regards,
>>>
>>>        Rafik 
>>>
>>>
>>>        2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell
>>> <maria.farrell at gmail.com <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>
>>>        <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>            Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>
>>>            Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>>            thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>>            an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>>            candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>>            compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>            (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>>            and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>>            Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>>            we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>>>
>>>            So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>>            just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>>            NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of
>>> voting.
>>>
>>>            Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>>            on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>>            NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>
>>>            From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>>            or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>>            across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
>>>
>>>            Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>>            step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>>            basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>>            shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>>            agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>
>>>            How does that sound as a next step?
>>>
>>>            Maria
>>>
>>>            p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>>            election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>>            secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>>            through. Tant pis!
>>>
>>>
>>>            On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>            <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                Hi,
>>>
>>>                While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>>                agreed to, I
>>>                appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>>>                the fact that all
>>>                of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>>                majority vote.
>>>
>>>                And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>
>>>                Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>>                sole candidate
>>>                in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>
>>>                That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>>>                the record
>>>                shows that.
>>>
>>>                avri
>>>
>>>                On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>
>>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>>                 This third round
>>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>>                NCSG though its
>>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>>                candidate. Just in
>>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>>                we had agreed that
>>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>>                happened, Sam would be
>>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>>                despite that, in order
>>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>>                good faith, we (
>>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>>                happen. Now, that it
>>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>>                fair thing to do
>>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>                disappointment that
>>>> many can feel.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>
>>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>>                <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>>                the committee
>>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>>                mail. We go for the
>>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>>                Sam Lanfranco as
>>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/> <http://www.npoc.org
>>>>> <http://www.npoc.org/>> <http://www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>>                <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>>                volgende geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>>                what happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>>                the deadlock we
>>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>>                candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>>                 soonest in order to
>>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>>                round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>>                policy meeting in
>>>>>>>   Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>>                <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>   <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>>                <robin at ipjustice.org
>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>>       <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>>>                 Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>>       Robin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>>                vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Nice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>>                have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>       From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>>                <Glen at icann.org
>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>       Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>>                results second round
>>>>>>>>>>       To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>       <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>>>>>>>>>>       "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Please find the results of the second
>>>                round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>>       closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>>       Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>         6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>         0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>       We await your instructions to continue
>>>                with the third
>>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>>                April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>>>                us with the text
>>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>>                be sent with the
>>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>       Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>>       Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>       Glen____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>>       **Total Ballots Cast (including
>>>                duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>>>>       *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>>>>       *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>>>                if any):*____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                       Select just one of the
>>>                nominees below____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
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>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>       ***********************************************
>>>>>>>       William J. Drake
>>>>>>>       International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>>>>>         Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>>>>>         University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>>>>>       Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
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>>>>>>>       william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
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>>>                <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
>>>>>>>       <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch
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>>>                wjdrake at gmail.com
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>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>       <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> (lists),
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From wjdrake  Sat Apr 19 16:24:54 2014
From: wjdrake (William Drake)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:24:54 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Tony Holmes wrote me to saying we need a house pow wow to improve working methods, might be worth proposing a meeting in London?

Best

Bill

On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> +1.  Unclear whether our little HLMC committee has some function next week, but they would be the priority.  Not clear why policy cttee needs to cluster on this, i for one have no real contribution to make.  This process is still pretty odd to me.
> And congrats again to Avri for beating the odds!!
> stephanie
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
>> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>> 
>> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
>> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
>> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
>> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
>> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
>> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
>> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>> 
>> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
>> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
>> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
>> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
>> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
>> vs. NOTA.
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> 
>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>>> about the compromise there.
>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Rafik 
>>> 
>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>>   Hi!
>>>   It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>   observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>   Thank you our brave Avri!
>>> 
>>>   For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>   airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>>   credit/bank account card fraud!
>>> 
>>>   Magaly
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>   <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>       Hi Maria,
>>> 
>>>       Thanks for the summary,
>>>       it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>>       and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>>       deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>>       yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>       initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>>       we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>       I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>>       results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>>       easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>>       quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>>       soon). 
>>> 
>>>       Best Regards,
>>> 
>>>       Rafik 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>>>       <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>>           Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>> 
>>>           Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>>           thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>>           an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>>           candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>>           compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>           (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>>           and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>>           Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>>           we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>>> 
>>>           So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>>           just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>>           NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting.
>>> 
>>>           Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>>           on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>>           NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>>> 
>>>           From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>>           or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>>           across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
>>> 
>>>           Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>>           step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>>           basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>>           shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>>           agree, say we propose Sam.
>>> 
>>>           How does that sound as a next step?
>>> 
>>>           Maria
>>> 
>>>           p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>>           election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>>           secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>>           through. Tant pis!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>           On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>           <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>               Hi,
>>> 
>>>               While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>>               agreed to, I
>>>               appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>>>               the fact that all
>>>               of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>>               majority vote.
>>> 
>>>               And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>> 
>>>               Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>>               sole candidate
>>>               in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>> 
>>>               That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>>>               the record
>>>               shows that.
>>> 
>>>               avri
>>> 
>>>               On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>> 
>>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>>                This third round
>>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>>               NCSG though its
>>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>>               candidate. Just in
>>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>>               we had agreed that
>>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>>               happened, Sam would be
>>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>>               despite that, in order
>>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>>               good faith, we (
>>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>>               happen. Now, that it
>>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>>               fair thing to do
>>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>               disappointment that
>>>> many can feel.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Marie-laure
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>> 
>>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>>               <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>>               the committee
>>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>>               mail. We go for the
>>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>>               Sam Lanfranco as
>>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org> <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>>               <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>>               volgende geschreven:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>>               what happens.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>>               the deadlock we
>>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>>               candidate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>>                soonest in order to
>>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>>               round.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>>               policy meeting in
>>>>>>>  Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  ml
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>>               <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>  <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>>               <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>>      <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>      This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>>>                Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>      Best,
>>>>>>>>      Robin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>>               vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      Nice.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>>               have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Best,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Rafik
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>      From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>>               <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>      Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>>               results second round
>>>>>>>>>>      To: "krosette at cov.com
>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>      <krosette at cov.com
>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>>>>>>>>>>      "rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Please find the results of the second
>>>               round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>>      closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>>      Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>        7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>        6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>        0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>      We await your instructions to continue
>>>               with the third
>>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>>               April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>>>               us with the text
>>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>>               be sent with the
>>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>      Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>>      Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>      Glen____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>>      **Total Ballots Cast (including
>>>               duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>>>>      *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>>>>      *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>>>               if any):*____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>                      Select just one of the
>>>               nominees below____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
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>>>>>>>>>>      Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>      ***********************************************
>>>>>>>      William J. Drake
>>>>>>>      International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>>>>>        Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>>>>>        University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>>>>>      Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>>>>>>        ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>
>>>               <http://www.ncuc.org> <http://www.ncuc.org>
>>>>>>>      william.drake at uzh.ch
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>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
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From stephanie.perrin  Sat Apr 19 22:03:59 2014
From: stephanie.perrin (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:03:59 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] working on the NCSG comments on ICANN privacy policies
Message-ID: <1EAB20CA-1BA6-4FC8-82FF-29074F9A054F@mail.utoronto.ca>

Hi folks, 
I know everyone is busy  and Netmundial threatens to block out all other thoughts....but we have a lot of work to do yet on the comments on the privacy policy.  Chris Parsons has inputted quite a few useful comments, which I plan to go over on the plane to Sao Paulo, and then perhaps draft the next chunk if noone else is going to do that..  Please add your comments and contributions!! You can find the text here: https://icannpriv.etherpad.mozilla.org/1
Stephanie Perrin
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From rafik.dammak  Sun Apr 20 05:44:18 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:44:18 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi Bill,

Wolf-ulrich sent previously a proposal when CSG nominated BillG.
If they want a discussion  , we have a list for the house for such purpose.
We can have meeting in london too, for more regular NCPH dialogue .

Rafik

Ps did Tony really say literally "pow wow" ;)?
On Apr 19, 2014 5:24 PM, "William Drake" <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony Holmes wrote me to saying we need a house pow wow to improve working
> methods, might be worth proposing a meeting in London?
>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> > +1.  Unclear whether our little HLMC committee has some function next
> week, but they would be the priority.  Not clear why policy cttee needs to
> cluster on this, i for one have no real contribution to make.  This process
> is still pretty odd to me.
> > And congrats again to Avri for beating the odds!!
> > stephanie
> > On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
> >> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
> >>
> >> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
> >> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
> >> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
> >> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
> >> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
> >> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
> >> way on things, he can be on the Board.
> >>
> >> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
> >> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
> >> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
> >> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
> >> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
> >> vs. NOTA.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>> Hi everybody,
> >>>
> >>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
> >>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
> >>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
> >>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them
> know
> >>> about the compromise there.
> >>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result ,
> checking
> >>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
> >>>
> >>>   Hi!
> >>>   It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
> >>>   observations about the CSG reactions.
> >>>   Thank you our brave Avri!
> >>>
> >>>   For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
> >>>   airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
> >>>   credit/bank account card fraud!
> >>>
> >>>   Magaly
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>   <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       Hi Maria,
> >>>
> >>>       Thanks for the summary,
> >>>       it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
> >>>       and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
> >>>       deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
> >>>       yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
> >>>       initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
> >>>       we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
> >>>       I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
> >>>       results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
> >>>       easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
> >>>       quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
> >>>       soon).
> >>>
> >>>       Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>>       Rafik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> >>>       <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
> >>>
> >>>           Hi Marie Laure et al,
> >>>
> >>>           Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
> >>>           thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
> >>>           an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
> >>>           candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
> >>>           compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
> >>>           (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
> >>>           and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
> >>>           Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
> >>>           we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
> inconclusive.
> >>>
> >>>           So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
> >>>           just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
> >>>           NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of
> voting.
> >>>
> >>>           Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
> >>>           on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
> >>>           NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
> >>>
> >>>           From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
> >>>           or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
> >>>           across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.
> >>>
> >>>           Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
> >>>           step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
> >>>           basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
> >>>           shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
> >>>           agree, say we propose Sam.
> >>>
> >>>           How does that sound as a next step?
> >>>
> >>>           Maria
> >>>
> >>>           p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
> >>>           election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
> >>>           secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
> >>>           through. Tant pis!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>           On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >>>           <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>               Hi,
> >>>
> >>>               While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
> >>>               agreed to, I
> >>>               appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
> >>>               the fact that all
> >>>               of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
> >>>               majority vote.
> >>>
> >>>               And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
> >>>
> >>>               Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
> >>>               sole candidate
> >>>               in a election between Sam and none of the above.
> >>>
> >>>               That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
> >>>               the record
> >>>               shows that.
> >>>
> >>>               avri
> >>>
> >>>               On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
> >>>>
> >>>> The results of the third round were just released.
> >>>                This third round
> >>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
> >>>               NCSG though its
> >>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
> >>>               candidate. Just in
> >>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
> >>>               we had agreed that
> >>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
> >>>               happened, Sam would be
> >>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
> >>>               despite that, in order
> >>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
> >>>               good faith, we (
> >>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
> >>>               happen. Now, that it
> >>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
> >>>               fair thing to do
> >>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
> >>>               disappointment that
> >>>> many can feel.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
> >>>               <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
> >>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
> >>>               the committee
> >>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
> >>>               mail. We go for the
> >>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
> >>>               Sam Lanfranco as
> >>>>> the compromise candidate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rudi Vansnick
> >>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> >>>>> NPOC treasurer
> >>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
> >>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> >>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
> >>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> >>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
> >>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org> <http://www.npoc.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
> >>>               <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
> >>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
> >>>               volgende geschreven:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
> >>>               what happens.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
> >>>               the deadlock we
> >>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
> >>>               candidate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> avri
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
> >>>                soonest in order to
> >>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
> >>>               round.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> >>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:
> mllemineur at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
> >>>               policy meeting in
> >>>>>>>  Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ml
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
> >>>               <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>  <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      Mikey is the key.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
> >>>               <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
> >>>>>>>      <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
> >>>                Keep it up, team!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      Best,
> >>>>>>>>      Robin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
> >>>               vote this round!! :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      Nice.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Hi ,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      The result of 2nd round, we are going to
> >>>               have a 3rd round.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Rafik
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>>>>      From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
> >>>               <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
> >>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>      Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
> >>>               results second round
> >>>>>>>>>>      To: "krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
> >>>>>>>>>>      <krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
> >>>>>>>>>>      "rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
> >>>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
> >>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Please find the results of the second
> >>>               round of voting which
> >>>>>>>>>>      closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>>      Final tally :____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>        7 votes     Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>>>>        6 votes     Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>>>>        0 vote      None of the above____
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>      We await your instructions to continue
> >>>               with the third
> >>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
> >>>               April 2014 and
> >>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
> >>>               us with the text
> >>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
> >>>               be sent with the
> >>>>>>>>>> vote.____
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>      Thank you.____
> >>>>>>>>>>      Kind regards,____
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>      Glen____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *Machine tally:
> >>>>>>>>>>      **Total Ballots Cast (including
> >>>               duplicates):*13
> >>>>>>>>>>      *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
> >>>>>>>>>>      *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
> >>>               if any):*____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                      Select just one of the
> >>>               nominees below____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *Ballots Received:*____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>               2014-04-11 16:49:17
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>               2014-04-10 13:08:07
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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From rafik.dammak  Sun Apr 20 05:51:41 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:51:41 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi,

I dont see so much support for a call during a hectic week. I will propose
to postpone then (if nobody object) . I suspect that CSGers in netmundial
will approach us. I stress here that any discussion should go through
formal channels so everbody will be in the same page and coordinated.

Yes we will present Sam as compromise candidate and he will have probably
call with CSG in such case. Yes  BillG cannot  run again sinceehe couldnt
get any support from us. I see that we are making specific conditions

Rafik
On Apr 19, 2014 3:31 PM, "Amr Elsadr" <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to be on this call if it takes place, but recommend that it
> be postponed (even for a few days) if it won?t be populated well because of
> NM conflicts.
>
> In terms of what we should discuss; we should certainly present Sam as a
> compromise candidate as an item to be followed up on. I?m sure the CSG will
> want to talk to him, like they did Avri as well as David when we proposed
> him as a GNSO Council VC.
>
> We should also start discussions with them on the broken voting mechanism.
> We need a serious discussion with them on this, and figure out ways to
> remedy it. If the discussion starts well on a call, it can be followed up
> on the NCPH list afterwards.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>
> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>
> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
> vs. NOTA.
>
> avri
>
> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
> about the compromise there.
> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>>:
>
>    Hi!
>    It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>    observations about the CSG reactions.
>    Thank you our brave Avri!
>
>    For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>    airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>    credit/bank account card fraud!
>
>    Magaly
>
>
>    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>    <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
>
>        Hi Maria,
>
>        Thanks for the summary,
>        it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>        and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>        deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>        yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>        initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>        we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>        I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>        results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>        easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>        quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>        soon).
>
>        Best Regards,
>
>        Rafik
>
>
>        2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>        <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com <maria.farrell at gmail.com>>>:
>
>            Hi Marie Laure et al,
>
>            Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>            thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>            an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>            candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>            compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>            (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>            and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>            Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>            we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>
>            So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>            just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>            NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting.
>
>            Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>            on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>            NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>
>            From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>            or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>            across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.
>
>            Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>            step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>            basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>            shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>            agree, say we propose Sam.
>
>            How does that sound as a next step?
>
>            Maria
>
>            p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>            election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>            secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>            through. Tant pis!
>
>
>            On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>            <mailto:avri at acm.org <avri at acm.org>>> wrote:
>
>                Hi,
>
>                While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>                agreed to, I
>                appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>                the fact that all
>                of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>                majority vote.
>
>                And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>
>                Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>                sole candidate
>                in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>
>                That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>                the record
>                shows that.
>
>                avri
>
>                On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>
> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>
> The results of the third round were just released.
>
>                 This third round
>
> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>
>                NCSG though its
>
> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>
>                candidate. Just in
>
> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>
>                we had agreed that
>
> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>
>                happened, Sam would be
>
> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>
>                despite that, in order
>
> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>
>                good faith, we (
>
> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>
>                happen. Now, that it
>
> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>
>                fair thing to do
>
> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>
>                disappointment that
>
> many can feel.
>
> Best,
>
> Marie-laure
>
>
>
>
>
> Enviado desde mi iPad
>
> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>
>                <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be<rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
> >
>
> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>
>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>>>
> escribi?:
>
>
> Dear Policy Committee members,
>
> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>
>                the committee
>
> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>
>                mail. We go for the
>
> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>
>                Sam Lanfranco as
>
> the compromise candidate.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>
>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>>
>
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>
>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>
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>
> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>
>                <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org <avri at acm.org>>
>
> <mailto:avri at acm.org <avri at acm.org> <mailto:avri at acm.org <avri at acm.org>>>>
> het
>
>                volgende geschreven:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>
>                what happens.
>
>
> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>
>                the deadlock we
>
> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>
>                candidate.
>
>
> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>
> thanks
>
> avri
>
>
> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>
> Dear Rafik,
>
> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>
>                 soonest in order to
>
> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>
>                round.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Marie-laure
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>
>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mllemineur at gmail.com> <
> mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mllemineur at gmail.com>>>
>
> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mllemineur at gmail.com>
>
>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mllemineur at gmail.com>>>>
> wrote:
>
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>
>                policy meeting in
>
>   Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>
>   best,
>
>   ml
>
>
>   On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>
>                <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com<wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >
>
> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <wjdrake at gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com<wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>
>   <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <wjdrake at gmail.com>
>
>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <wjdrake at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>
>
>       Mikey is the key.
>
>
>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>
>                <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org<robin at ipjustice.org>
> >
>
> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org <robin at ipjustice.org>
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>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org <robin at ipjustice.org>>>
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>       <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org <robin at ipjustice.org>
>
>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org <robin at ipjustice.org>>>> wrote:
>
>
>       This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>
>                 Keep it up, team!!
>
>
>       Best,
>       Robin
>
>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>
>       Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>
>                vote this round!! :)
>
>
>       Nice.
>
>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>
>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
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> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
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>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>>
> wrote:
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>
>       Hi ,
>
>       The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>
>                have a 3rd round.
>
>
>       Best,
>
>       Rafik
>
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>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org <Glen at icann.org>>>>
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>       Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>       Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>
>                results second round
>
>       To: "krosette at cov.com
>
>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com <krosette at cov.com>> <
> mailto:krosette at cov.com <krosette at cov.com>
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> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com<krosette at cov.com>
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>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com <krosette at cov.com>>>>,
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> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
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>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>"
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>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
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>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
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> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
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>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>>
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>       Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
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>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org <Glen at icann.org>>
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> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <Glen at icann.org> <mailto:Glen at icann.org<Glen at icann.org>
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>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org <Glen at icann.org>
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>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org <Glen at icann.org>>>>
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>
>       __ __
>
>       Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>
>       __ __
>
>       Please find the results of the second
>
>                round of voting which
>
>       closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>       Final tally :____
>
>       *__ __*
>
>         7 votes     Avri Doria____
>         6 votes     Bill Graham____
>         0 vote      None of the above____
>       __ __
>       We await your instructions to continue
>
>                with the third
>
> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>
>                April 2014 and
>
> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>
>                us with the text
>
> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>
>                be sent with the
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> vote.____
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>       Thank you.____
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>       Glen____
>
>       *__ __*
>
>       *Machine tally:
>       **Total Ballots Cast (including
>
>                duplicates):*13
>
>       *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>       *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>
>       *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>
>                if any):*____
>
>
>                       Select just one of the
>
>                nominees below____
>
>
>       1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>
>       2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>
>       3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>
>       *__ __*
>
>       *Ballots Received:*____
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From avri  Sun Apr 20 06:15:45 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:15:45 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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On 19-Apr-14 22:51, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Yes we will present Sam as compromise candidate and he will have
> probably call with CSG in such case. Yes  BillG cannot  run again
> sinceehe couldnt get any support from us. I see that we are making
> specific conditions


Is it so much that he did not get support from us or that he got fewer
votes?  I vote for fewer votes.

It is a secret ballot, while we think we know, and we probably do, who
voted for whom, we actually do not know and can't know.  The reason we
require 60% is because that is the only point at which we can *know*
that one SG got at least one vote from the other SG.

Saying he did not get any of our votes is assuming facts not in evidence.

avri



From avri  Sun Apr 20 07:44:43 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:44:43 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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On 19-Apr-14 23:15, Avri Doria wrote:
> Saying he did not get any of our votes is assuming facts not in evidence.


Someone asked whether i was implying something.

The answer is no.

I am sure, absolutely positive, that everyone on NCSG voted as promised.

But that is a statement of belief, not fact.

Logically I also know that in a secret ballot, one can never know, one
can just believe.

I believe.  I was just making a stmt abut secret ballots in general.

avri



From aelsadr  Sun Apr 20 17:50:06 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:50:06 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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That would be even better. :)

Thanks.

Amr

On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Well, as a compromise candidate, perhaps we should suggest that we talk
> to Sam together as a house.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> 
> On 19-Apr-14 07:29, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to be on this call if it takes place, but recommend that it
>> be postponed (even for a few days) if it won?t be populated well because
>> of NM conflicts.
>> 
>> In terms of what we should discuss; we should certainly present Sam as a
>> compromise candidate as an item to be followed up on. I?m sure the CSG
>> will want to talk to him, like they did Avri as well as David when we
>> proposed him as a GNSO Council VC.
>> 
>> We should also start discussions with them on the broken voting
>> mechanism. We need a serious discussion with them on this, and figure
>> out ways to remedy it. If the discussion starts well on a call, it can
>> be followed up on the NCPH list afterwards.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Amr
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
>>> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>>> 
>>> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
>>> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
>>> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
>>> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
>>> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
>>> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
>>> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>>> 
>>> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
>>> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
>>> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
>>> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
>>> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
>>> vs. NOTA.
>>> 
>>> avri
>>> 
>>> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>> 
>>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>>>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>>>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>>>> about the compromise there.
>>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik 
>>>> 
>>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>>   Hi!
>>>>   It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>>   observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>>   Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>> 
>>>>   For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>>   airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>>>   credit/bank account card fraud!
>>>> 
>>>>   Magaly
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>   <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>       Hi Maria,
>>>> 
>>>>       Thanks for the summary,
>>>>       it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>>>       and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>>>       deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>>>       yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>>       initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>>>       we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>>       I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>>>       results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>>>       easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>>>       quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>>>       soon). 
>>>> 
>>>>       Best Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>       Rafik 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>       2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell
>>>> <maria.farrell at gmail.com <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>
>>>>       <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>>           Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>> 
>>>>           Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>>>           thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>>>           an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>>>           candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>>>           compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>>           (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>>>           and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>>>           Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>>>           we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>>>> 
>>>>           So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>>>           just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>>>           NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of
>>>> voting.
>>>> 
>>>>           Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>>>           on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>>>           NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>> 
>>>>           From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>>>           or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>>>           across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
>>>> 
>>>>           Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>>>           step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>>>           basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>>>           shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>>>           agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>> 
>>>>           How does that sound as a next step?
>>>> 
>>>>           Maria
>>>> 
>>>>           p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>>>           election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>>>           secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>>>           through. Tant pis!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>           <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>               Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>               While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>>>               agreed to, I
>>>>               appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>>>>               the fact that all
>>>>               of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>>>               majority vote.
>>>> 
>>>>               And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>> 
>>>>               Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>>>               sole candidate
>>>>               in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>> 
>>>>               That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>>>>               the record
>>>>               shows that.
>>>> 
>>>>               avri
>>>> 
>>>>               On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>>>                This third round
>>>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>>>               NCSG though its
>>>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>>>               candidate. Just in
>>>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>>>               we had agreed that
>>>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>>>               happened, Sam would be
>>>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>>>               despite that, in order
>>>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>>>               good faith, we (
>>>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>>>               happen. Now, that it
>>>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>>>               fair thing to do
>>>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>>               disappointment that
>>>>> many can feel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>>>               <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>>>               the committee
>>>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>>>               mail. We go for the
>>>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>>>               Sam Lanfranco as
>>>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>>>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/> <http://www.npoc.org
>>>>>> <http://www.npoc.org/>> <http://www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>>>               <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>>>               volgende geschreven:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>>>               what happens.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>>>               the deadlock we
>>>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>>>               candidate.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>>>                soonest in order to
>>>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>>>               round.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>>>               policy meeting in
>>>>>>>>  Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  best,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  ml
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>>>               <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>  <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>      Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>>>               <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>>>      <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>>>>                Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      Best,
>>>>>>>>>      Robin
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>>>               vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Nice.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>>>               have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>      From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>>>               <Glen at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>      Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>>>               results second round
>>>>>>>>>>>      To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>>      <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>      "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Please find the results of the second
>>>>               round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>>>      closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>>>      Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>        7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>>        6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>>        0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>>      We await your instructions to continue
>>>>               with the third
>>>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>>>               April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>>>>               us with the text
>>>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>>>               be sent with the
>>>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>>      Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>>>      Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>>>      __ __
>>>>>>>>>>>      Glen____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>>>      **Total Ballots Cast (including
>>>>               duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>>>>>      *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>>>>>      *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>>>>               if any):*____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>                      Select just one of the
>>>>               nominees below____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
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>>>>>>>>>>>      Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>               <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>>>               <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
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From avri  Sun Apr 20 18:26:04 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:26:04 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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just a thought on elections.  my favorite simple formula:


Process continues until someone gets to 8 in their favor

Start:

First ballot: as many people as get nominated and seconded (i prefer no
selfies) + NOTA (none of the above)

after first ballot in no one gets 8

Second Ballot: reduce to 2 + NOTA (even if there were only 2 to begin with)

after second ballot in neither gets 8

Thrid Ballot: reduce to 1 + NOTA

Anytime NOTA gets 8, scratch all candidates and return to start.

If no one gets 8 after third ballot, scratch all candidates and return
to start.

end:

cheers,

avri



From mllemineur  Mon Apr 21 09:22:36 2014
From: mllemineur (marie-laure Lemineur)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:22:36 +0700
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi,

I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose to
be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as policy
Chair ? Just for clarification.

...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..

best,

ml


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it
> may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such
> call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about
> the compromise there.
> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi!
>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>
>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
>> account card fraud!
>>
>> Magaly
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Maria,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and
>>> having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd
>>> and final round .
>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate
>>> the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict
>>> CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that
>>> we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this
>>> weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who
>>> are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to
>>>> three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't
>>>> going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG
>>>> as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least
>>>> we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will
>>>> agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather
>>>> in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
>>>> inconclusive.
>>>>
>>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet -
>>>> apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
>>>> outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>>
>>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>>>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>>>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>>
>>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they
>>>> will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make
>>>> sure we're all happy.
>>>>
>>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think
>>>> we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear
>>>> outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and
>>>> if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>>
>>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>>
>>>> Maria
>>>>
>>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
>>>> behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
>>>> shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that
>>>>> all
>>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
>>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>>>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though
>>>>> its
>>>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>>>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed
>>>>> that
>>>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
>>>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in
>>>>> order
>>>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>>>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that
>>>>> it
>>>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to
>>>>> do
>>>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment
>>>>> that
>>>>> > many can feel.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Marie-laure
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>> >
>>>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <
>>>>> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco
>>>>> as
>>>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Kind regards,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>>>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> thanks
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> avri
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Best,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting
>>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>    best,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>    ml
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>>>> round!! :)
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd
>>>>> round.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
>>>>> round
>>>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting
>>>>> which
>>>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the
>>>>> text
>>>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees
>>>>> below____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11
>>>>> 16:49:17
>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
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From rudi.vansnick  Mon Apr 21 11:00:46 2014
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:00:46 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Dear all,

The decision to have a NCSG PC meeting is that not the responsibility of the chair of the NCSG Policy Committee ? Maria, what about the call for a meeting or a doodle ? Do you take action ?

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

Op 21-apr.-2014, om 08:22 heeft marie-laure Lemineur <mllemineur at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
> 
> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose to be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as policy Chair ? Just for clarification.
> 
> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
> 
> best,
> 
> ml
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about the compromise there.
> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi!
> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik observations about the CSG reactions.
> Thank you our brave Avri!
> 
> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank account card fraud!
> 
> Magaly
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Maria,
> 
> Thanks for the summary,
> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon). 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Marie Laure et al,
> 
> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive. 
> 
> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting. 
> 
> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
> 
> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.  
> 
> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
> 
> How does that sound as a next step?
> 
> Maria
> 
> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
> 
> 
> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
> 
> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
> 
> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
> 
> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
> shows that.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
> >
> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
> > many can feel.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Marie-laure
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPad
> >
> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
> >
> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
> >>
> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
> >> the compromise candidate.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Rudi Vansnick
> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> >> NPOC treasurer
> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
> >>
> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
> >>>
> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
> >>>
> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rafik,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
> >>>>
> >>>>    best,
> >>>>
> >>>>    ml
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Best,
> >>>>>        Robin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        Nice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Rafik
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
> >>>>>>> vote.____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        Glen____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
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From aelsadr  Mon Apr 21 12:34:41 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:34:41 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi Marie-Laure,

On Apr 21, 2014, at 8:22 AM, marie-laure Lemineur <mllemineur at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose to be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as policy Chair ? Just for clarification.

My personal opinion; at a minimum, I believe the councillors and SG/Constituency chairs should be on the call. I assume this will be discussed on the NCPH list as part of the arrangements being made.

Thanks.

Amr

> 
> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
> 
> best,
> 
> ml
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about the compromise there.
> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi!
> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik observations about the CSG reactions.
> Thank you our brave Avri!
> 
> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank account card fraud!
> 
> Magaly
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Maria,
> 
> Thanks for the summary,
> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon). 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Marie Laure et al,
> 
> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive. 
> 
> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting. 
> 
> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
> 
> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.  
> 
> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
> 
> How does that sound as a next step?
> 
> Maria
> 
> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
> 
> 
> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
> 
> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
> 
> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
> 
> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
> shows that.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
> >
> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
> > many can feel.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Marie-laure
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPad
> >
> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
> >
> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
> >>
> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
> >> the compromise candidate.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Rudi Vansnick
> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> >> NPOC treasurer
> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
> >>
> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
> >>>
> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
> >>>
> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rafik,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
> >>>>
> >>>>    best,
> >>>>
> >>>>    ml
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Best,
> >>>>>        Robin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        Nice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Rafik
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
> >>>>>>> vote.____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
> >>>>>>>        __ __
> >>>>>>>        Glen____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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From rafik.dammak  Mon Apr 21 14:54:16 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:54:16 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi ,

just to clarify, it is not a NCSG PC meeting we are talking about but a
possible call between CSG and NCSG regarding the election. because
netmundial, it may be complicated for those in brazil from CSG and NCSG to
attend the call this week. it may be wise to have a call next week when
everybody go back home. we are also hashing out the process here in PC
list. Sam is our compromise candidate and we still need to discuss about
the election process and find out CSG reaction to our proposal.

@Avri thanks for the proposal, it looks for me a workable and clear way to
improve election process.

Best,

Rafik

2014-04-21 17:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:

> Dear all,
>
> The decision to have a NCSG PC meeting is that not the responsibility of
> the chair of the NCSG Policy Committee ? Maria, what about the call for a
> meeting or a doodle ? Do you take action ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
>
> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 08:22 heeft marie-laure Lemineur <mllemineur at gmail.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi,
>
> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose to
> be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as policy
> Chair ? Just for clarification.
>
> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
>
> best,
>
> ml
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it
>> may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such
>> call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about
>> the compromise there.
>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi!
>>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>
>>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
>>> account card fraud!
>>>
>>> Magaly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and
>>>> having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd
>>>> and final round .
>>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate
>>>> the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict
>>>> CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results
>>>> that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays
>>>> this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those
>>>> who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to
>>>>> three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't
>>>>> going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG
>>>>> as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least
>>>>> we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will
>>>>> agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather
>>>>> in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
>>>>> inconclusive.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet -
>>>>> apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
>>>>> outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>>>>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>>>>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>>>
>>>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how
>>>>> they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to
>>>>> make sure we're all happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think
>>>>> we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear
>>>>> outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and
>>>>> if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maria
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
>>>>> behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
>>>>> shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>>>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole
>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>>>>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>>>>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in
>>>>>> order
>>>>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>>>>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now,
>>>>>> that it
>>>>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> > many can feel.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Marie-laure
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <
>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>>>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam
>>>>>> Lanfranco as
>>>>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Kind regards,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> thanks
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> avri
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in
>>>>>> order to
>>>>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Best,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy
>>>>>> meeting in
>>>>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>    best,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>    ml
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>>>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>>>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up,
>>>>>> team!!
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>>>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>>>>> round!! :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd
>>>>>> round.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
>>>>>> round
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the
>>>>>> text
>>>>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees
>>>>>> below____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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From aelsadr  Mon Apr 28 22:54:20 2014
From: aelsadr (Amr Elsadr)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:54:20 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] draft motion - response to NGPC letter -
	Rec 19/Spec 13
References: <EB1BFF8B-1BC4-4E04-A648-B8551E6CB6C3@anwaelte.de>
Message-ID: <C257E29C-3E36-4886-8642-EFAD2D8E4857@egyptig.org>

Hi,

I know we?ve discussed this briefly a couple of weeks ago, and although I don?t see the harm in the policy itself?, I am more than a little uncomfortable with how it has come about.

This, thus far, is going to be the only motion on the agenda of the next Council meeting.

Thanks.

Amr

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de>
> Subject: [council] draft motion - response to NGPC letter - Rec 19/Spec 13
> Date: April 28, 2014 at 9:35:11 PM GMT+2
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>, GNSO Secretariat <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> 
> All,
> please find attached a draft motion in response to the NGPC's letter with
> respect to Specification 13.
> 
> We may need to continue our discussion but one clear message is that it is
> important to respond in a timely way to the deadline set by the NGPC.  
> Therefore, any associated motion must meet the documents and motions
> deadline today for the upcoming GNSO Council telephone conference.
> 
> The proposed motion encompasses the following messages, which I have heard
> and read so far:
> 
> - There is an inconsistency between Recommendation 9 and Spec 13.
> - There is an understanding for and recognition of the .BRAND Registries'
> request.
> - The Council should respond to the NGPC's request and - in case an
> inconsistency is existent - make a constructive proposal on how to deal with
> this. 
> 
> Therefore, I have included additional clauses to state that the Council does
> not oppose the implementation of all of Spec 13 now, but requests that the
> Board make sure that appropriate safeguards are put in place in future rounds. Also, I have included a clause on
> the Council reserving the right to initiate a PDP if need be. 
> 
> I hope this is an acceptable compromise and I am more than happy to discuss
> this further. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> 

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From avri  Mon Apr 28 23:33:45 2014
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:33:45 -0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [council] draft motion - response to NGPC letter
 - Rec 19/Spec 13
In-Reply-To: <C257E29C-3E36-4886-8642-EFAD2D8E4857@egyptig.org>
References: <EB1BFF8B-1BC4-4E04-A648-B8551E6CB6C3@anwaelte.de>
	<C257E29C-3E36-4886-8642-EFAD2D8E4857@egyptig.org>
Message-ID: <535EBB29.6040806@acm.org>

Hi,

I think I object to spec 13.  I think it is unnecessary and counter to
previous policy.

And if it needs changing, then it needs a PDP and those who want to get
the spec 13 exemption can either wait for the policy or use RSEP processes.

avri


On 28-Apr-14 15:54, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know we?ve discussed this briefly a couple of weeks ago, and although
> I don?t see the harm in the policy itself?, I am more than a little
> uncomfortable with how it has come about.
> 
> This, thus far, is going to be the only motion on the agenda of the next
> Council meeting.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> *From: *Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>
>> *Subject: **[council] draft motion - response to NGPC letter - Rec
>> 19/Spec 13*
>> *Date: *April 28, 2014 at 9:35:11 PM GMT+2
>> *To: *GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org
>> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>, GNSO Secretariat
>> <gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
>>
>> All,
>> please find attached a draft motion in response to the NGPC's letter with
>> respect to Specification 13.
>>
>> We may need to continue our discussion but one clear message is that it is
>> important to respond in a timely way to the deadline set by the NGPC.  
>> Therefore, any associated motion must meet the documents and motions
>> deadline today for the upcoming GNSO Council telephone conference.
>>
>> The proposed motion encompasses the following messages, which I have heard
>> and read so far:
>>
>> - There is an inconsistency between Recommendation 9 and Spec 13.
>> - There is an understanding for and recognition of the .BRAND Registries'
>> request.
>> - The Council should respond to the NGPC's request and - in case an
>> inconsistency is existent - make a constructive proposal on how to
>> deal with
>> this.
>>
>> Therefore, I have included additional clauses to state that the
>> Council does
>> not oppose the implementation of all of Spec 13 now, but requests that the
>> Board make sure that appropriate safeguards are put in place in future
>> rounds. Also, I have included a clause on
>> the Council reserving the right to initiate a PDP if need be.
>>
>> I hope this is an acceptable compromise and I am more than happy to
>> discuss
>> this further.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 



From rudi.vansnick  Tue Apr 29 23:00:09 2014
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:00:09 +0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Message-ID: <18CEADFE-5E93-45D4-AE0A-41E9CD76F085@isoc.be>

Dear Rafik,

As I did not hear nor read any reaction of action on the process of putting forward our compromise candidate and time is flowing away, may I ask what?s next ? Did CSG already react ? What are the steps we officially need to go through now (asap) ?

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
NPOC chair Policy Committee
NPOC treasurer
rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
www.npoc.org

Op 21-apr.-2014, om 13:54 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi ,
> 
> just to clarify, it is not a NCSG PC meeting we are talking about but a possible call between CSG and NCSG regarding the election. because netmundial, it may be complicated for those in brazil from CSG and NCSG to attend the call this week. it may be wise to have a call next week when everybody go back home. we are also hashing out the process here in PC list. Sam is our compromise candidate and we still need to discuss about the election process and find out CSG reaction to our proposal.
> 
> @Avri thanks for the proposal, it looks for me a workable and clear way to improve election process.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 2014-04-21 17:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:
> Dear all,
> 
> The decision to have a NCSG PC meeting is that not the responsibility of the chair of the NCSG Policy Committee ? Maria, what about the call for a meeting or a doodle ? Do you take action ?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
> 
> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 08:22 heeft marie-laure Lemineur <mllemineur at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose to be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as policy Chair ? Just for clarification.
>> 
>> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> ml
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> 
>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about the compromise there.
>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rafik 
>> 
>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik observations about the CSG reactions.
>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>> 
>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank account card fraud!
>> 
>> Magaly
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Maria,
>> 
>> Thanks for the summary,
>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon). 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Rafik 
>> 
>> 
>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>> 
>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>> 
>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on. (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive. 
>> 
>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting. 
>> 
>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>> 
>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.  
>> 
>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>> 
>> How does that sound as a next step?
>> 
>> Maria
>> 
>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that all
>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>> 
>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>> 
>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole candidate
>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>> 
>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>> shows that.
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>> >
>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third round
>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though its
>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed that
>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would be
>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in order
>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now, that it
>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing to do
>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the disappointment that
>> > many can feel.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Marie-laure
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>> >
>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>> >
>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>> >>
>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go for the
>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam Lanfranco as
>> >> the compromise candidate.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> >> NPOC treasurer
>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>> >>
>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what happens.
>> >>>
>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock we
>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> avri
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in order to
>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Marie-laure
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy meeting in
>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    ml
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up, team!!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>        Best,
>> >>>>>        Robin
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this round!! :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd round.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting which
>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the text
>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent with the
>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees below____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        __ __
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From rafik.dammak  Tue Apr 29 23:40:20 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:40:20 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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Hi Rudi,

I resumed the discussion with Kristina about the process after the
netmundial week and suggested our compromise candidate. CSG excom had call
before and discussed some options to be on or out (for example they decided
to not change the voting threshold of 8 votes), they didn't reach any
decision yet and now they have to check our own proposal.

we may have call early next week with CSG if it is OK and we will be able
to defend our option and listen to theirs. good to agree on some points
before the call .

btw the time is playing for our side,

Best

Rafik


2014-04-30 5:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:

> Dear Rafik,
>
> As I did not hear nor read any reaction of action on the process of
> putting forward our compromise candidate and time is flowing away, may I
> ask what?s next ? Did CSG already react ? What are the steps we officially
> need to go through now (asap) ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  Rudi Vansnick
> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> NPOC treasurer
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> www.npoc.org
>
> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 13:54 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi ,
>
> just to clarify, it is not a NCSG PC meeting we are talking about but a
> possible call between CSG and NCSG regarding the election. because
> netmundial, it may be complicated for those in brazil from CSG and NCSG to
> attend the call this week. it may be wise to have a call next week when
> everybody go back home. we are also hashing out the process here in PC
> list. Sam is our compromise candidate and we still need to discuss about
> the election process and find out CSG reaction to our proposal.
>
> @Avri thanks for the proposal, it looks for me a workable and clear way to
> improve election process.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2014-04-21 17:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The decision to have a NCSG PC meeting is that not the responsibility of
>> the chair of the NCSG Policy Committee ? Maria, what about the call for a
>> meeting or a doodle ? Do you take action ?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>  Rudi Vansnick
>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> NPOC treasurer
>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> www.npoc.org
>>
>> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 08:22 heeft marie-laure Lemineur <
>> mllemineur at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose to
>> be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as policy
>> Chair ? Just for clarification.
>>
>> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
>>
>> best,
>>
>> ml
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it
>>> may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such
>>> call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about
>>> the compromise there.
>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>>
>>>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
>>>> account card fraud!
>>>>
>>>> Magaly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and
>>>>> having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd
>>>>> and final round .
>>>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to initiate
>>>>> the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot predict
>>>>> CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results
>>>>> that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays
>>>>> this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those
>>>>> who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go
>>>>>> to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly
>>>>>> wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to
>>>>>> the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>>>> (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope
>>>>>> the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a
>>>>>> vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the
>>>>>> vote proved inconclusive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet -
>>>>>> apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't win
>>>>>> outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>>>>>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>>>>>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how
>>>>>> they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to
>>>>>> make sure we're all happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I
>>>>>> think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear
>>>>>> outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and
>>>>>> if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election on
>>>>>> behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and a
>>>>>> shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to, I
>>>>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact that
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole
>>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third
>>>>>>> round
>>>>>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG though
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just in
>>>>>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had agreed
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in
>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we (
>>>>>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now,
>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing
>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>>>>> disappointment that
>>>>>>> > many can feel.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Marie-laure
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <
>>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>>>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>>>>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam
>>>>>>> Lanfranco as
>>>>>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what
>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the deadlock
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> thanks
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> avri
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in
>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Best,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy
>>>>>>> meeting in
>>>>>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>    best,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>    ml
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>>>>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>>>>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up,
>>>>>>> team!!
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>>>>>> round!! :)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd
>>>>>>> round.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second
>>>>>>> round
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of voting
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the
>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if any):*____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees
>>>>>>> below____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> 16:49:17
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>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        GNSO Secretariat ____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org> ____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        http://gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org/>____
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> >>>>          Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>>>>> >>>>          University of Zurich, Switzerland
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From rafik.dammak  Tue Apr 29 23:43:25 2014
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:43:25 +0900
Subject: [PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
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again, btw can Sam share his CV ? we need to present him to CSG.

Rafik


2014-04-30 5:40 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi Rudi,
>
> I resumed the discussion with Kristina about the process after the
> netmundial week and suggested our compromise candidate. CSG excom had call
> before and discussed some options to be on or out (for example they decided
> to not change the voting threshold of 8 votes), they didn't reach any
> decision yet and now they have to check our own proposal.
>
> we may have call early next week with CSG if it is OK and we will be able
> to defend our option and listen to theirs. good to agree on some points
> before the call .
>
> btw the time is playing for our side,
>
> Best
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-04-30 5:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:
>
> Dear Rafik,
>>
>> As I did not hear nor read any reaction of action on the process of
>> putting forward our compromise candidate and time is flowing away, may I
>> ask what?s next ? Did CSG already react ? What are the steps we officially
>> need to go through now (asap) ?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>  Rudi Vansnick
>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> NPOC treasurer
>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> www.npoc.org
>>
>> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 13:54 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> just to clarify, it is not a NCSG PC meeting we are talking about but a
>> possible call between CSG and NCSG regarding the election. because
>> netmundial, it may be complicated for those in brazil from CSG and NCSG to
>> attend the call this week. it may be wise to have a call next week when
>> everybody go back home. we are also hashing out the process here in PC
>> list. Sam is our compromise candidate and we still need to discuss about
>> the election process and find out CSG reaction to our proposal.
>>
>> @Avri thanks for the proposal, it looks for me a workable and clear way
>> to improve election process.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-04-21 17:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> The decision to have a NCSG PC meeting is that not the responsibility of
>>> the chair of the NCSG Policy Committee ? Maria, what about the call for a
>>> meeting or a doodle ? Do you take action ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>  Rudi Vansnick
>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>> NPOC treasurer
>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>> www.npoc.org
>>>
>>> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 08:22 heeft marie-laure Lemineur <
>>> mllemineur at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose
>>> to be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as
>>> policy Chair ? Just for clarification.
>>>
>>> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> ml
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it
>>>> may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such
>>>> call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about
>>>> the compromise there.
>>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result ,
>>>> checking with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>>>
>>>>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
>>>>> account card fraud!
>>>>>
>>>>> Magaly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>>>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and
>>>>>> having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd
>>>>>> and final round .
>>>>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>>>> initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot
>>>>>> predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results
>>>>>> that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays
>>>>>> this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those
>>>>>> who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go
>>>>>>> to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly
>>>>>>> wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to
>>>>>>> the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>>>>> (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope
>>>>>>> the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a
>>>>>>> vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the
>>>>>>> vote proved inconclusive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet
>>>>>>> - apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't
>>>>>>> win outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>>>>>>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>>>>>>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how
>>>>>>> they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to
>>>>>>> make sure we're all happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I
>>>>>>> think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear
>>>>>>> outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and
>>>>>>> if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election
>>>>>>> on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and
>>>>>>> a shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact
>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole
>>>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third
>>>>>>>> round
>>>>>>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG
>>>>>>>> though its
>>>>>>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had
>>>>>>>> agreed that
>>>>>>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in
>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we
>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now,
>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing
>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>>>>>> disappointment that
>>>>>>>> > many can feel.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Marie-laure
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <
>>>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>>>>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>>>>>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam
>>>>>>>> Lanfranco as
>>>>>>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>>>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>>>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>>>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what
>>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the
>>>>>>>> deadlock we
>>>>>>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> thanks
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> avri
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in
>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy
>>>>>>>> meeting in
>>>>>>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    ml
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>>>>>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>>>>>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up,
>>>>>>>> team!!
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>>>>>>> round!! :)
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd
>>>>>>>> round.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results
>>>>>>>> second round
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of
>>>>>>>> voting which
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the
>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if
>>>>>>>> any):*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees
>>>>>>>> below____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        2:  6 votes    [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        3:  0 votes    [] None of the above____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Received:*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 1dd5b4c740cea13  Received at 2014-04-11
>>>>>>>> 16:49:17
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 1a1b25296676fb1  Received at 2014-04-11
>>>>>>>> 15:28:42
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 4c958b0a504c620   Received at 2014-04-10
>>>>>>>> 13:40:01
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID ad2820176335eb9  Received at 2014-04-10
>>>>>>>> 13:08:07
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID a1f76553370d1a0  Received at 2014-04-10
>>>>>>>> 09:26:14
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID fe7ceebe542d573  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 16:52:25
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 38e81b64ae7b939  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 15:57:41
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID b38aaa35f39640a  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 13:35:34
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 7b27a78001e9a0e  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 11:39:05
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 4b5a67b6bf8b080  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 11:31:12
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 56805a16c3eee62  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 09:48:11
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID a5658498dd4faf6  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 08:41:13
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Ballot ID 149c308cf7d49b7  Received at 2014-04-08
>>>>>>>> 06:59:36
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        UTC *(counted)*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          1: [X]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          2: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          3: [ ]____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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