[PC-NCSG] NCSG letter to board RE: NomCom seat allocation to NPOC

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

Perhaps the reason I did not sit down to write it I don't know what to say.  I do not know how to frame the argument so that I fell comfortable with having written it.

I agree with the need of NPOC to get a seat on NomCom.  I want them to have their proper seat as a constituency - it is part of the bottom-up agreement.  I find it inappropriate that they are being denied this seat by the ICANN Board.  They felt it was important enough to have the Constituency, but did not think it worth giving them full constituency status.  It is not like we are asking for double representation that way the BC has it.

I think that it is pathetic, that the best solution we came up with is a gaming that uses the academic seat instead of getting them their own seat.  They change the bylaws all the time, so that is trivial.  And as an excuse it is a spin.

And finally, after watching the Board dither on what to do with this seat before, I doubt they will do as we ask.  But I have been wrong about the Board will do, especially this one that has its own set of rules for ICANN*. 

So every time I thought about this letter, I thought, it is ridiculous that we should need to do this.
And thus I never wrote it.  

Of course I never volunteered to write it, but being one of the volunteers of last resort in NCSG, I guess I feel a little bad about not having fulfilled this seemingly simple task.

I am sure others in the PC had their own reasons for not having stepped forward to write the letter.
I think it is harder to write than the proponent feels.

Perhaps NPOC, or the NPOC reps to the PC, can write the letter and give it to the PC to endorse and send on their behalf.
Alternatively, if NCUC want to present such a letter to the group, I am sure that the PC-NCSG and NCSG chair would send it formally.

I just don't have it in me to write this one.
(though i could have called it bandwidth.)

avri

*  I never would have beleived that a board could do so much to destroy the fabric of ICANN


On 3 Jul 2013, at 07:59, Avri Doria wrote:

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> 
> Hi,
> 
>> But I guess my phraseology didn't seen clearly operational enough in orientation?
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> I did not realize you were giving directions.  Please forgive me for not having understood our instructions.
> 
> Perhaps if you had also fed us the letter, we would have known what to do with it.
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> 
> avri
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> On 3 Jul 2013, at 04:21, William Drake wrote:
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>> I saw no disagreement at the time with the suggestion,
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>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:25 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
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>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> The Nomcom arrangements and NCUC bylaws antedate NPOC's arrival on the scene, and the defined processes don't reflect the current situation.  So sure, it'd make sense to consult with NPOC on the selection; as there are a number of NCUC members who are also involved in NPOC, including in leadership positions, I'd ask them to pass this along and solicit input.  More broadly, it would make sense NPOC and NCSG (with NCUC support) to lobby ICANN for an additional position on the NomCom at either the constituency of SG level; I believe there's a currently inactive 'academic' slot, maybe that could be repurposed.  The imbalance between commercial and noncommercial interests on Nomcom is after all pretty hard to deny?
>> 
>> Which to me meant NPOC and NCSG write a letter and NCUC signs off.  So I thought that was happening already, and was surprised to be revisiting.  But I guess my phraseology didn't seen clearly operational enough in orientation?
>> 
>> Bill
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>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don't think we ever got so far as to know who was volunteering to do it.
>>> As in write the letter.  
>>> 
>>> avri
>>> 
>>> On 2 Jul 2013, at 17:29, William Drake wrote:
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>>>> I thought we talked about and agreed all this like a month ago?
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