[PC-NCSG] Civil Society Roundtables

Sun Feb 17 14:48:48 EET 2013

any update about this discussion with ICANN staff?
for civil society it is diverse, and I am surprised that you used the term
"leaders" , are we really encouraging a kind of high level event? I am not
sure that only institutions and organizations are only the representative
of civil society. I do think that you agree with me that many individuals
 highly involved and being part of many communities like free software, FoE
etc are no member of any structure, some of those individuals are really
doubtful about ICANN and the "centralisation" of DNS for example, that is
probably totally different from the perspective of big
non-commercial organisations or associations involved in developing world.

Rafik

ps at least I learned that there is yet another diagram for some purpose
called vena diagram :)

2013/2/10 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>

> Correction.
>
> This is _not_ a discussions with us, the same old voices ...
>
>
> On 10 Feb 2013, at 09:18, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> >
> > Ps.  This is a discussion with us, the same old voices, though some may
> be invited, I have no idea.  This is about reaching out to the leaders who
> may not be participating.  We have a lot of problem getting many of the
> premiere NGOs participating so that was my first priority in making the
> personal suggestion I made - I did not make it as a NCSG member.   Talking
> to academic too, was a further thought, but as I say, academics are
> different from NGO activists and have different concerns and modalities.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 10 Feb 2013, at 09:13, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Since I proposed that there be 2 round tables instead of just one and
> suggested the split, I will continue suggesting it,.  I will mention that
> there are some that might see it as harmful.
> >>
> >> I see the role of advocacy and analysis as having different
> perspectives, that is why I suggested it.  I also the content  of concern
> and the perspective these two groups take as very different.
> >>
> >> I was looking for advice on the topic issue.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >> On 10 Feb 2013, at 05:02, Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can only support Bill: We have to avoid this "splitting" and to see
> CS as one animal with different wings.We have common interests and share
> values but there are certainly specifics. To organoze too much rivalry
> between different wings of CS is not helpful althougn some competition and
>  diversity is not bad.
> >>>
> >>> wolfgang
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von William Drake
> >>> Gesendet: So 10.02.2013 10:41
> >>> An: Avri Doria
> >>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> >>> Betreff: Re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Civil Society Roundtables
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> Why further divide us into NGO and academic?  I'm hard pressed to see
> the advantages of doubling down on the splintering, but do think a CS
> roundtable would be great.  Ahead of something like that one could imagine
> a serious collective effort to do a mapping exercise, long overdue....
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:28, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I sent off the following message to Fadi after the meting.
> >>>>
> >>>> I got a reply from Chris, and plan to talk him later this week.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any helpful clues from you all would be great. Especially helpful
> would be ideas on:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Venn Diagram of where NGO strategic interests and DNS developments
> >>>>> intersect.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> avri
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at ella.com]
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:30 AM
> >>>>>> To: Fadi Chehade
> >>>>>> Subject: Civil Society Rountables
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One thing I had meant to mention while in LA, but never found the
> >>>>>> opportunity:  I think that among the leaders' roundtables that you
> plan,
> >>>>>> I recommend that you consider doing one with Civil Society NGO
> Executive
> >>>>>> Directors etc.. and another with Civil Society's prominent Internet
> >>>>>> governance academics.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Again, the LA meeting was good.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best of luck,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> avri
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I got permission to pass this on to co-workers
> >>>>
> >>>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Chris Mondini <chris.mondini at icann.org>
> >>>>> Subject: FW: Civil Society Roundtables
> >>>>> Date: 5 February 2013 12:08:15 EST
> >>>>> To: "avri at ella.com" <avri at ella.com>
> >>>>> Cc: Nora Abusitta <nora.abusitta at icann.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Avri,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fadi passed your note to me and asked me to respond.  He thinks your
> idea
> >>>>> is a good one and asked me to speak with you to get a plan underway.
>  The
> >>>>> CEO roundtables have been envisioned largely as a way for him to
> encourage
> >>>>> Domain Name businesses to understand the scrutiny under which they
> find
> >>>>> themselves from governments and the public and to encourage them to
> work
> >>>>> together to focus on their reputation and to educate parties
> unfamiliar
> >>>>> with the DNS in anticipation of the increased attention that new
> gTLDS
> >>>>> will bring.   As a result, the agenda items have focused on
> reputational
> >>>>> analysis, Wall Street views, and Defining the DNS Industry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suspect that Executive Directors of NGOs and Civil Society
> Organizations
> >>>>> would have a separate set of interests, so I will need your help to
> create
> >>>>> the Venn Diagram of where NGO strategic interests and DNS
> developments
> >>>>> intersect.   Please keep in mind that the roundtable discussions
> aren't
> >>>>> about ICANN or ICANN policy making, but rather about bigger picture
> >>>>> issues, such as the value that the DNS and the scalable interoperable
> >>>>> internet bring to social discourse and civil society and where there
> is an
> >>>>> alignment of interests among players in the DNS ecosystem.   We need
> to
> >>>>> avoid any topics that are already being covered in ICANN policy
> forums.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for Internet Governance Academics, I will be interested to hear
> your
> >>>>> thoughts on what would be of interest to them, too!.  Please let me
> know
> >>>>> when would be a good time for you to speak about your idea.  I am
> cc-in my
> >>>>> colleague Nora Abusitta who is responsible for engagement with
> >>>>> international organizations, as she may be able to provide insights
> as
> >>>>> well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks again and I look forward to speaking with you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Christopher Mondini
> >>>>> Vice President, Business Engagement
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300; Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536
> >>>>>
> >>>>> chris.mondini at icann.org
> >>>>> +1 (310) 578-8658 (direct)
> >>>>> +1 (650) 796-4665 (mobile)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Skype: chris.mondini.icann
> >>>>
> >>>>
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