[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Election of GNSO council vice chair

Robin Gross robin
Fri Oct 26 04:10:58 EEST 2012


Reminder of the NCSG agreement with CSG to rotate the vice-chair role  
between the SG's for two full rotations between the SG's.  We've only  
had one rotation of the vice-chair seat between the SG's so far, so  
CSG will breach its agreement with us if it continues to refuse to  
accept our vice-chair candidate Wendy Seltzer.


> Reminder of the deal with the CSG on vice-chair issue.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Date: October 25, 2011 2:48:48 AM PDT
>> To: "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>
>> Cc: Tony Holmes <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, Marilyn Cade  
>> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>
>> Thank you for getting back to me, Steve.    Since CSG would like  
>> to stick to the yearly rotation, we will support Wolf for VC, and  
>> then next year's VC will come from the NCSG, as we agreed.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Robin,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your note.  We have considered this option but on  
>>> balance we would like to keep to the agreement struck last year.   
>>> Wolf is our CSG candidate and we think he should go through the  
>>> election process as agreed.  We believe he will do a good job for  
>>> all parts of our non-contracted party house.  I know he has  
>>> reached out to the non-commercial side and will continue to do  
>>> so.  We also think Mary, who is clearly an asset to the entire  
>>> council, has much to contribute in other important roles.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve Metalitz
>>> for the CSG Executive Committee
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:21 AM
>>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>
>>> Hello Steve,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the email.  Given the dominance the contracted parties  
>>> have historically had in the GNSO, and the need for the NCPH to  
>>> help set the agenda in the GNSO, I'm sure you agree that it is  
>>> most important to both our SG's that we have a VC who will be an  
>>> effective advocate for the entire NCPH.  Considering the  
>>> excellent job Mary has done for the entire NCPH in this last  
>>> year, would the CSG be willing to consider allowing her to stand  
>>> for a 2nd term VC?
>>>
>>> I should note that we would be equally willing to consider  
>>> supporting extending the term of a really good CSG councilor, in  
>>> a subsequent year.
>>>
>>> I think it is in both our SG's interest to have the best VC that  
>>> the NCPH can produce (from either SG), so I don't want us to get  
>>> too bogged down in CSG candidate v. NCSG candidate thinking.   
>>> Rather, let's think about what will best advance the interests of  
>>> the entire NCPH, and a 2nd-year VC, when we've got an excellent  
>>> advocate for both our SG's, will serve us both well (and the  
>>> entire GNSO Council).
>>>
>>> What do you think?  Can CSG consider Mary for a 2nd term?   Next  
>>> year we can return to the rotation and CSG can put forth a VC.
>>>
>>> Thank you again,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Robin,
>>>> At the time that our Non-Contracted Parties House last selected  
>>>> a vice Chair of the GNSO Council, the NCSG proposed, and the CSG  
>>>> agreed, that at the next election, the SG whose candidate did  
>>>> not prevail would have the preferential option to nominate a  
>>>> candidate for vice chair.  That nominee would undergo a vote  
>>>> (nominated candidate v. none of above) and, if the candidate  
>>>> received 8 or more votes, would be elected.  If not, then the  
>>>> same process as used last time would be followed (nominations  
>>>> from both SGs, one or more round of voting, etc.).  Please see  
>>>> below e-mail chain setting forth this agreement.
>>>>
>>>> In accordance with this, on behalf of the CSG executive  
>>>> committee, let me confirm that we have nominated Wolf-Ulrich  
>>>> Knoben as Vice Chair.  May I suggest that you work with Marilyn  
>>>> Cade or Tony Holmes, who are onsite in Dakar, to arrange either  
>>>> for a meeting place, or for an e-mail ballot administered by the  
>>>> GNSO secretariat, in order to conduct an election between Wolf  
>>>> and none of the above before the GNSO council meeting on Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, and please let me know if any questions.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>> For CSG Executive Committee
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:42 AM
>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven; Glen de Saint Gery
>>>> Subject: Re: Council vice chair was RE: [] Updated GNSO Council  
>>>> agenda for 13 January
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Just confirming there was no objection in the NCSG Policy  
>>>> committee to the CSG caveat.
>>>>
>>>> Glen: Please proceed with the vote at your convenience.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> a.
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Dec 2010, at 10:03, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > Steve, thanks for the reply.  I do not expect there will be  
>>>> any problem accepting the CSG caveat, just want to give the NCSG  
>>>> Policy group a day to review it.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Glen, I think planning on sending out the ballots on Monday,  
>>>> or whenever works out for you after that, should be fine.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > I will get back to you both,  should there be any issue.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks to you both and wishes for a great 2011.
>>>> >
>>>> > a.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 30 Dec 2010, at 09:35, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Avri,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The process you propose below now has the support of all of  
>>>> CSG, with the caveat that we review the process after two  
>>>> iterations (i.e., before the election for the term beginning  
>>>> after the last ICANN meeting in 2012).
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> By copy to Glen, and subject to Avri's confirmation on behalf  
>>>> of NCSG, I ask her to distribute ballots to the 13 council  
>>>> representatives from the CSG, NCSG, and NCA (Olga), to choose  
>>>> between the following candidates for vice chair:
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (CSG)
>>>> >> Mary Wong (NCSG)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I believe 7 calendar days would be an adequate time frame for  
>>>> ballots to be returned to Glen.  If either candidate gets 8  
>>>> votes, then that candidate is the winner.  If not, the leader  
>>>> runs against none of the above in a second round.   So if we do  
>>>> not have vice chair in place by the time of the 1/13 council  
>>>> meeting, we will be well on our way to doing so.
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks to all for patience as we worked this through.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And best wishes to all for a happy new year!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steve
>>>> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:22 PM
>>>> >> To: Metalitz, Steven; Olga Cavalli
>>>> >> Subject: Fwd: [] Updated GNSO Council agenda for 13 January
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi,,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> 9.1 Status of Vice Chair elections in the Non Contracted  
>>>> Party House.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Where are we at?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I know we agreed that Olga serves interim, and I think that  
>>>> is great.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is there any feedback on the NCSG suggestion that we just  
>>>> elect following the general practice that was used for the Chair  
>>>> election?
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I repeat it below.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> thanks
>>>> >> a.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:15 PM
>>>> >>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>> >>> Cc: Marilyn Cade; Olga Cavalli; Holmes Tony
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: update from the CSG side about progression toward
>>>> >>> election process for V.Chair/House
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We certainly accept Olga remaining while we figure this out,  
>>>> which I
>>>> >>> hope is soon, really soon.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yes, our candidate is Mary.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I would like to counter propose.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We follow the GCOT defined process for the chair.  it is, in
>>>> >>> diplomatic speak, agreed language and would allow us to be  
>>>> done with it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That means
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 1 candidate from each SG
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> a. need 8 votes to win
>>>> >>> b. if no one gets 8, person in the lead runs against none of  
>>>> the
>>>> >>> above
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> - From now on, we alternate with the SG who did not pick the
>>>> >>> successful candidate, picking the v-chair candidate.  They  
>>>> can pick
>>>> >>> the person who is currently in the v-chair (assuming they  
>>>> are doing
>>>> >>> a good job, and are really neutral), someone from their  
>>>> group, or
>>>> >>> the NCA (don't assume they would pick someone from the other  
>>>> group
>>>> >>> who wasn't already v-chair but they could)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This person would still have to endure a vote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> - chosen candidate vs. none of the above
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Takes 8 to win.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I/we hate the idea of having to do this again, so I am  
>>>> hoping we can
>>>> >>> find a way to just finalize this and move on.  especially  
>>>> since we
>>>> >>> have Olga filling the spot while we discuss this, the hurry  
>>>> probably
>>>> >>> isn't as great.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We accept that this does not prejudice the Board seat election,
>>>> >>> though must say that the NCSG generally accepts staying with
>>>> >>> accepted language, i.e. the same process as is already  
>>>> accepted for the chair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> a.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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