[PC-NCSG] ALAC/NCSG meeting in Costa Rica

Sun Feb 26 16:09:19 EET 2012

I fine with moving the PC earlier.

KK

From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:05:23 +0000
To: "pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org<mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>" <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org<mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>
Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] ALAC/NCSG meeting in Costa Rica

Irrespective of the below, I'd favor moving the PC to 9 or 9:30 (90 min. could be enough since we meet again the next day) and meeting ALAC at 11 as there are things worth talking about.  But if liaising with others isn't a priority then fine I'll stop trying to arrange such things.  EIther way, we should respond?

BD

On Feb 26, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:

Dear Bill,

this is rather unfortunate. Our schedule is clear & posted at:
https://community.icann.org/x/hInbAQ

Please be so kind to study this & find when you as a group would be able to meet.

Since you appear to be saying that Monday's going to be impossible for NCSG, shall we free up the ALAC Meeting with the NCSG, Time: 11:00-12:00 , Meeting Room:  Las Americas time slot?

Kind regards,

Olivier

On 25/02/2012 12:23, William Drake wrotet :

Hi

Per previous, Monday's packed; NCSG has a policy committee meeting  from 10:30am - 12:30pm, and then there's workshops in the afternoon.  Given our collective lack of access to a schedule, continuing to go around on slots that invariably conflict doesn't seem useful.  My suggestion would be that a) we coordinate asynchronously via email to taste on the issues where we've asked the council to defer to allow more ALAC/community input, and b) any members of the two tribes who are interested could just have a drink together in the hotel bar Tuesday after constituency day and before music night.  Path of least resistance?

Ok?

Bill

On Feb 25, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Heidi Ullrich wrote:

Dear All,

The ALAC/NCSG Meeting is currently scheduled for Monday, 12 March 2012 between 11:00-12:00 in the Las Americas meeting room.

We scheduled this date and time to hopefully avoid conflict with meetings that are of key interest to the two groups.

This date and time has been confirmed by the ALAC. Could you please let me know if this slot will be good for the NCSG?

Kind regards,
Heidi

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From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch]
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Cc: Heidi Ullrich; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Leibovitch, Evan; Greenberg, Alan; Robin Gross; Konstantinos Komaitis
Subject: ALAC/NCSG meeting in Costa Rica

Hi

Well, so I've just discovered that Council is staying at the Ramada, so that's at least one shred of information.  Still in the dark on the schedule though-apparently it's a national security secret.  We'd talked about the possibility of trying to do a NCSG-ALAC thing on Monday, but in the meanwhile Monday's been getting pretty filled up at NC's end and I imagine ALAC's.  In principle, it would be desirable to meet before the Wednesday Council meeting to coordinate but I don't know how, unless perhaps we were to try something Tuesday late afternoon after the ccNSO's workshop on SOPA and related.  Failing that, maybe we could just have a drink before music night.?

Irrespective of whether we are able to co-locate our atoms at any point, there's a couple items discussed previously on which we should at least have some asynchronous coordination:

Institutional/process stuff:  Outreach, CCWG, Academy

Substantive: LEA/registrar/RAA, reserved names for IOs, UDRP, applicant support, AoC RTs/WHOIS, gTLD stock taking, maybe IRTP?

*CCWG: Council will take this up and presumably approve its preferred guidelines.  With the JAS experience in mind, some of us in NC (Wendy disagrees) have argued for a flexible approach to inter-species cooperation and in particular for not requiring single uniform charters.  In this we are pretty much alone and the DT language should pass, in which case it's not obvious there'd be a big point in being a tiny minority vote.  Nevertheless, by holding the thing up until a F2F in SJ we have at least created a space for people to present any arguments they'd like to make on the point.  So my suggestion would be that if ALAC wishes to argue against the DT language, some of you may wish to come to either the weekend or Wednesday Council meetings to amplify on whatever Alan will pass along.  Otherwise people are going to wonder why we insisted on holding this up until SJ.

*Outreach: I don't know where ALAC is on this, haven't had time to poke around your workspaces.  But you know that we had a WG that came up with a draft plan for an Outreach Task Force at the SO level, and that CSG unexpectedly shot it down.  We asked that discussion of what if anything to do next be held until F2F in SJ, in part on the hope that by then there'd be more clarity about what's being considered at an ICANN-wide level in the context of the staff and SO/AC chair discussions, so anything GNSO might do consider would fit into any larger framework.  But nobody at our end though seems to know what's really being considered in those discussions, so we're dancing in the dark and probably council will pass over this item quickly and do nothing.  If in fact ALAC has any particular aspirations on this point and more of a clue on what's happening at the wider level, we could coordinate and again make use of the space to pass any ideas into the Council deliberations. Or not. I belie
ve there's also a board outreach thing Thursday.

On most other points we've discussed, I imagine there will be the usual points of convergence/divergence and don't know whether people feel some coordination would be useful.  But on the two process points above we held discussions up with this in mind, so it'd be good to decide what if anything we want to do.

Best,

Bill

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:00 AM, William Drake wrote:

Again, there's no way to know until someone on the staff who has access to the draft agenda is consulted.  There's a lot of workshops Monday which varying people may need to be at and we don't have a clue as to which are when.

Best

Bill

On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Heidi Ullrich wrote:

Hi All,

Bill, thank you for letting me know of this scheduling conflict.

Currently, it looks as if Monday, 12 March between 11:00-12:00 might work. This time-slot is after the Welcome Ceremony and prior to the joint ccNSO/GNSO Council Monday lunch.

Do you see any conflicts with this time?

Kind regards,
Heidi

Heidi Ullrich
Director for At-Large
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: + 1 (310) 578 - 8647
Fax: +1 (310) 823 - 8649
Cell/Mobile: +1 (310) 437 - 3956

-----Original Message-----
From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:37 AM
To: Heidi Ullrich
Cc: "Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang"; Konstantinos Komaitis; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Robin Gross; ICANN At-Large Staff; NCSG-Policy
Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Request for ALAC/NCSG meeting in Costa Rica

Hi Heidi

The GNSO Council always does a wrap-up session Thursday 12:30-14:00.  Per previous, we don't have GNSO activities that morning, but I don't know about ALAC.  And it's unclear what workshops some of us might need to attend could be Thursday morning vs. Monday.  Any chance you could consult with whoever on the staff has access to the draft agenda and let us know?

Best,

Bill

On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Heidi Ullrich wrote:

Hi All,

Would Thursday, 15 March between 12:00-13:00 be convenient for the ALAC/NCSG meeting? This timing would fit into the current At-Large schedule.

Kind regards,
Heidi

Heidi Ullrich
Director for At-Large
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: + 1 (310) 578 - 8647
Fax: +1 (310) 823 - 8649
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang" [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:22 AM
To: Konstantinos Komaitis; Robin Gross; William Drake
Cc: Heidi Ullrich; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; ICANN At-Large Staff; NCSG-Policy
Subject: AW: [PC-NCSG] Request for ALAC/NCSG meeting in Costa Rica

Hi Bill and others

1. it is important to find a slot which does not overlap with other key meetings. Thursday is also the IGF Workshop where a lot of CS members are involved.

2. Bills liss of issues is already long. Nothing to add. Or should we discuss also NPOC?

3. An important objective (as a side effect is to create a construtive and friendly environment for future enhanced communication, coordination and collaboration.

wolfgang

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KK

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Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Request for ALAC/NCSG meeting in Costa Rica

Thanks for the suggestions for discussion items, Bill.  I especially like LEA/registrar/RAA & reserved names for IOs and the issues are in play at this time.

Best,

Robin

On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:31 PM, William Drake wrote:

Hi

On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Robin Gross wrote:

I think the time proposed below however may conflict with the GNSO Council meeting, where most of our members will need to be at that time.

The Council meeting is Wed. 14-18:00 as always.  There's no publicly visible draft schedule yet but it's looking like Monday may be thick with workshops for some of us. Could Thursday morning work, stock-taking in post-Council context etc?

We'll come up with a couple substantive policy issues to propose for the agenda in the coming days.

Off the top of my head, one would think the menu should include some of the following, although history suggests that in an hour we probably would get through a few in an hour:

Institutional/process stuff:  Outreach, CCWG, Academy

Substantive: LEA/registrar/RAA, reserved names for IOs, UDRP, applicant support, AoC RTs/WHOIS, gTLD stock taking, maybe IRTP?

Conversely, anything of mutual interest in particular on ALAC's mind?

Cheers

BD

Thanks again!

Robin

On Jan 25, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Heidi Ullrich wrote:

Hi Robin,

The ALAC Executive Committee (ExCom) and At-Large staff are developing the schedule and agendas for the At-Large meetings in Costa Rica.

Following up on the ALAC meeting with the NCSG in Dakar, we have tentatively scheduled a meeting of the ALAC with the NCSG for Wednesday, 14 March between 14:00 - 15:00. Could you please confirm that the NCSG would like to have a meeting with the ALAC during the Costa Rica Meeting? If so, is the current date and time convenient?  Please note that as the ICANN Meeting schedule is still being developed, we currently don't know which other meetings are scheduled for that time.

Also, the ExCom has requested that you let them know of any specific agenda items that you would like to discuss with the ALAC.

Kind regards,

Heidi

Heidi Ullrich

Director for At-Large

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

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