[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Election of GNSO council vice chair NCPH

Robin Gross robin
Sat Dec 1 03:10:56 EET 2012


FYI:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Date: October 25, 2012 6:10:58 PM PDT
> To: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> Subject: Fwd: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>
> Reminder of the NCSG agreement with CSG to rotate the vice-chair  
> role between the SG's for two full rotations between the SG's.   
> We've only had one rotation of the vice-chair seat between the SG's  
> so far, so CSG will breach its agreement with us if it continues to  
> refuse to accept our vice-chair candidate Wendy Seltzer.
>
>
>> Reminder of the deal with the CSG on vice-chair issue.
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>>> Date: October 25, 2011 2:48:48 AM PDT
>>> To: "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>
>>> Cc: Tony Holmes <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, Marilyn Cade  
>>> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>
>>> Thank you for getting back to me, Steve.    Since CSG would like  
>>> to stick to the yearly rotation, we will support Wolf for VC, and  
>>> then next year's VC will come from the NCSG, as we agreed.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Robin,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your note.  We have considered this option but on  
>>>> balance we would like to keep to the agreement struck last  
>>>> year.  Wolf is our CSG candidate and we think he should go  
>>>> through the election process as agreed.  We believe he will do a  
>>>> good job for all parts of our non-contracted party house.  I  
>>>> know he has reached out to the non-commercial side and will  
>>>> continue to do so.  We also think Mary, who is clearly an asset  
>>>> to the entire council, has much to contribute in other important  
>>>> roles.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>> for the CSG Executive Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:21 AM
>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>>
>>>> Hello Steve,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the email.  Given the dominance the contracted  
>>>> parties have historically had in the GNSO, and the need for the  
>>>> NCPH to help set the agenda in the GNSO, I'm sure you agree that  
>>>> it is most important to both our SG's that we have a VC who will  
>>>> be an effective advocate for the entire NCPH.  Considering the  
>>>> excellent job Mary has done for the entire NCPH in this last  
>>>> year, would the CSG be willing to consider allowing her to stand  
>>>> for a 2nd term VC?
>>>>
>>>> I should note that we would be equally willing to consider  
>>>> supporting extending the term of a really good CSG councilor, in  
>>>> a subsequent year.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is in both our SG's interest to have the best VC that  
>>>> the NCPH can produce (from either SG), so I don't want us to get  
>>>> too bogged down in CSG candidate v. NCSG candidate thinking.   
>>>> Rather, let's think about what will best advance the interests  
>>>> of the entire NCPH, and a 2nd-year VC, when we've got an  
>>>> excellent advocate for both our SG's, will serve us both well  
>>>> (and the entire GNSO Council).
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?  Can CSG consider Mary for a 2nd term?   Next  
>>>> year we can return to the rotation and CSG can put forth a VC.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Robin,
>>>>> At the time that our Non-Contracted Parties House last selected  
>>>>> a vice Chair of the GNSO Council, the NCSG proposed, and the  
>>>>> CSG agreed, that at the next election, the SG whose candidate  
>>>>> did not prevail would have the preferential option to nominate  
>>>>> a candidate for vice chair.  That nominee would undergo a vote  
>>>>> (nominated candidate v. none of above) and, if the candidate  
>>>>> received 8 or more votes, would be elected.  If not, then the  
>>>>> same process as used last time would be followed (nominations  
>>>>> from both SGs, one or more round of voting, etc.).  Please see  
>>>>> below   e-mail chain setting forth this agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>> In accordance with this, on behalf of the CSG executive  
>>>>> committee, let me confirm that we have nominated Wolf-Ulrich  
>>>>> Knoben as Vice Chair.  May I suggest that you work with Marilyn  
>>>>> Cade or Tony Holmes, who are onsite in Dakar, to arrange either  
>>>>> for a meeting place, or for an e-mail ballot administered by  
>>>>> the GNSO secretariat, in order to conduct an election between  
>>>>> Wolf and none of the above before the GNSO council meeting on  
>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, and please let me know if any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>>> For CSG Executive Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:42 AM
>>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven; Glen de Saint Gery
>>>>> Subject: Re: Council vice chair was RE: [] Updated GNSO Council  
>>>>> agenda for 13 January
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just confirming there was no objection in the NCSG Policy  
>>>>> committee to the CSG caveat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen: Please proceed with the vote at your convenience.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> a.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Dec 2010, at 10:03, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Steve, thanks for the reply.  I do not expect there will be  
>>>>> any problem accepting the CSG caveat, just want to give the  
>>>>> NCSG Policy group a day to review it.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Glen, I think planning on sending out the ballots on Monday,  
>>>>> or whenever works out for you after that, should be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I will get back to you both,  should there be any issue.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks to you both and wishes for a great 2011.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > a.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 30 Dec 2010, at 09:35, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Avri,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The process you propose below now has the support of all of  
>>>>> CSG, with the caveat that we review the process after two  
>>>>> iterations (i.e., before the election for the term beginning  
>>>>> after the last ICANN meeting in 2012).
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> By copy to Glen, and subject to Avri's confirmation on  
>>>>> behalf of NCSG, I ask her to distribute ballots to the 13  
>>>>> council representatives from the CSG, NCSG, and NCA (Olga), to  
>>>>> choose between the following candidates for vice chair:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (CSG)
>>>>> >> Mary Wong (NCSG)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I believe 7 calendar days would be an adequate time frame  
>>>>> for ballots to be returned to Glen.  If either candidate gets 8  
>>>>> votes, then that candidate is the winner.  If not, the leader  
>>>>> runs against none of the above in a second round.   So if we do  
>>>>> not have vice chair in place by the time of the 1/13 council  
>>>>> meeting, we will be well on our way to doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks to all for patience as we worked this through.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And best wishes to all for a happy new year!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Steve
>>>>> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:22 PM
>>>>> >> To: Metalitz, Steven; Olga Cavalli
>>>>> >> Subject: Fwd: [] Updated GNSO Council agenda for 13 January
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> 9.1 Status of Vice Chair elections in the Non Contracted  
>>>>> Party House.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Where are we at?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I know we agreed that Olga serves interim, and I think that  
>>>>> is great.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is there any feedback on the NCSG suggestion that we just  
>>>>> elect following the general practice that was used for the  
>>>>> Chair election?
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I repeat it below.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> thanks
>>>>> >> a.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:15 PM
>>>>> >>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>>> >>> Cc: Marilyn Cade; Olga Cavalli; Holmes Tony
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: update from the CSG side about progression toward
>>>>> >>> election process for V.Chair/House
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We certainly accept Olga remaining while we figure this  
>>>>> out, which I
>>>>> >>> hope is soon, really soon.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Yes, our candidate is Mary.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I would like to counter propose.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We follow the GCOT defined process for the chair.  it is, in
>>>>> >>> diplomatic speak, agreed language and would allow us to be  
>>>>> done with it.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> That means
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 1 candidate from each SG
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> a. need 8 votes to win
>>>>> >>> b. if no one gets 8, person in the lead runs against none  
>>>>> of the
>>>>> >>> above
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> - From now on, we alternate with the SG who did not pick the
>>>>> >>> successful candidate, picking the v-chair candidate.  They  
>>>>> can pick
>>>>> >>> the person who is currently in the v-chair (assuming they  
>>>>> are doing
>>>>> >>> a good job, and are really neutral), someone from their  
>>>>> group, or
>>>>> >>> the NCA (don't assume they would pick someone from the  
>>>>> other group
>>>>> >>> who wasn't already v-chair but they could)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This person would still have to endure a vote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> - chosen candidate vs. none of the above
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Takes 8 to win.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I/we hate the idea of having to do this again, so I am  
>>>>> hoping we can
>>>>> >>> find a way to just finalize this and move on.  especially  
>>>>> since we
>>>>> >>> have Olga filling the spot while we discuss this, the hurry  
>>>>> probably
>>>>> >>> isn't as great.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We accept that this does not prejudice the Board seat  
>>>>> election,
>>>>> >>> though must say that the NCSG generally accepts staying with
>>>>> >>> accepted language, i.e. the same process as is already  
>>>>> accepted for the chair.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> a.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IP JUSTICE
>>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>>
>>>
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> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
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IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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