From robin  Sat Dec  1 02:06:50 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:06:50 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of the
	NCPH Vice-Chair
Message-ID: <4B17B180-10E4-43AF-B8AC-7ADE858CD136@ipjustice.org>

Dear Chris:

I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise  
regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online  
complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing,  
but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation  
that has stalled on its own.

Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse  
regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The  
understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that  
we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to  
rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between  
the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling  
to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate  
email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the  
impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG  
believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving  
this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair  
selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could  
assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you  
further about the details of the situation at your earliest  
convenience.  Thank you.

Regards,
Robin Gross
NCSG Chair



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From robin  Sat Dec  1 03:10:56 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:10:56 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Election of GNSO council vice chair NCPH
References: <BF05B01B-59DE-4241-B63F-87D751D93B4B@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <F75EC351-1D8B-4359-BF94-0EC37DB947F9@ipjustice.org>

FYI:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Date: October 25, 2012 6:10:58 PM PDT
> To: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> Subject: Fwd: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>
> Reminder of the NCSG agreement with CSG to rotate the vice-chair  
> role between the SG's for two full rotations between the SG's.   
> We've only had one rotation of the vice-chair seat between the SG's  
> so far, so CSG will breach its agreement with us if it continues to  
> refuse to accept our vice-chair candidate Wendy Seltzer.
>
>
>> Reminder of the deal with the CSG on vice-chair issue.
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>>> Date: October 25, 2011 2:48:48 AM PDT
>>> To: "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>
>>> Cc: Tony Holmes <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, Marilyn Cade  
>>> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>
>>> Thank you for getting back to me, Steve.    Since CSG would like  
>>> to stick to the yearly rotation, we will support Wolf for VC, and  
>>> then next year's VC will come from the NCSG, as we agreed.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Robin,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your note.  We have considered this option but on  
>>>> balance we would like to keep to the agreement struck last  
>>>> year.  Wolf is our CSG candidate and we think he should go  
>>>> through the election process as agreed.  We believe he will do a  
>>>> good job for all parts of our non-contracted party house.  I  
>>>> know he has reached out to the non-commercial side and will  
>>>> continue to do so.  We also think Mary, who is clearly an asset  
>>>> to the entire council, has much to contribute in other important  
>>>> roles.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>> for the CSG Executive Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:21 AM
>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>>
>>>> Hello Steve,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the email.  Given the dominance the contracted  
>>>> parties have historically had in the GNSO, and the need for the  
>>>> NCPH to help set the agenda in the GNSO, I'm sure you agree that  
>>>> it is most important to both our SG's that we have a VC who will  
>>>> be an effective advocate for the entire NCPH.  Considering the  
>>>> excellent job Mary has done for the entire NCPH in this last  
>>>> year, would the CSG be willing to consider allowing her to stand  
>>>> for a 2nd term VC?
>>>>
>>>> I should note that we would be equally willing to consider  
>>>> supporting extending the term of a really good CSG councilor, in  
>>>> a subsequent year.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is in both our SG's interest to have the best VC that  
>>>> the NCPH can produce (from either SG), so I don't want us to get  
>>>> too bogged down in CSG candidate v. NCSG candidate thinking.   
>>>> Rather, let's think about what will best advance the interests  
>>>> of the entire NCPH, and a 2nd-year VC, when we've got an  
>>>> excellent advocate for both our SG's, will serve us both well  
>>>> (and the entire GNSO Council).
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?  Can CSG consider Mary for a 2nd term?   Next  
>>>> year we can return to the rotation and CSG can put forth a VC.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Robin,
>>>>> At the time that our Non-Contracted Parties House last selected  
>>>>> a vice Chair of the GNSO Council, the NCSG proposed, and the  
>>>>> CSG agreed, that at the next election, the SG whose candidate  
>>>>> did not prevail would have the preferential option to nominate  
>>>>> a candidate for vice chair.  That nominee would undergo a vote  
>>>>> (nominated candidate v. none of above) and, if the candidate  
>>>>> received 8 or more votes, would be elected.  If not, then the  
>>>>> same process as used last time would be followed (nominations  
>>>>> from both SGs, one or more round of voting, etc.).  Please see  
>>>>> below   e-mail chain setting forth this agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>> In accordance with this, on behalf of the CSG executive  
>>>>> committee, let me confirm that we have nominated Wolf-Ulrich  
>>>>> Knoben as Vice Chair.  May I suggest that you work with Marilyn  
>>>>> Cade or Tony Holmes, who are onsite in Dakar, to arrange either  
>>>>> for a meeting place, or for an e-mail ballot administered by  
>>>>> the GNSO secretariat, in order to conduct an election between  
>>>>> Wolf and none of the above before the GNSO council meeting on  
>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, and please let me know if any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>>> For CSG Executive Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:42 AM
>>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven; Glen de Saint Gery
>>>>> Subject: Re: Council vice chair was RE: [] Updated GNSO Council  
>>>>> agenda for 13 January
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just confirming there was no objection in the NCSG Policy  
>>>>> committee to the CSG caveat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen: Please proceed with the vote at your convenience.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> a.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Dec 2010, at 10:03, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Steve, thanks for the reply.  I do not expect there will be  
>>>>> any problem accepting the CSG caveat, just want to give the  
>>>>> NCSG Policy group a day to review it.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Glen, I think planning on sending out the ballots on Monday,  
>>>>> or whenever works out for you after that, should be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I will get back to you both,  should there be any issue.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks to you both and wishes for a great 2011.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > a.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 30 Dec 2010, at 09:35, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Avri,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The process you propose below now has the support of all of  
>>>>> CSG, with the caveat that we review the process after two  
>>>>> iterations (i.e., before the election for the term beginning  
>>>>> after the last ICANN meeting in 2012).
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> By copy to Glen, and subject to Avri's confirmation on  
>>>>> behalf of NCSG, I ask her to distribute ballots to the 13  
>>>>> council representatives from the CSG, NCSG, and NCA (Olga), to  
>>>>> choose between the following candidates for vice chair:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (CSG)
>>>>> >> Mary Wong (NCSG)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I believe 7 calendar days would be an adequate time frame  
>>>>> for ballots to be returned to Glen.  If either candidate gets 8  
>>>>> votes, then that candidate is the winner.  If not, the leader  
>>>>> runs against none of the above in a second round.   So if we do  
>>>>> not have vice chair in place by the time of the 1/13 council  
>>>>> meeting, we will be well on our way to doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks to all for patience as we worked this through.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And best wishes to all for a happy new year!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Steve
>>>>> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:22 PM
>>>>> >> To: Metalitz, Steven; Olga Cavalli
>>>>> >> Subject: Fwd: [] Updated GNSO Council agenda for 13 January
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> 9.1 Status of Vice Chair elections in the Non Contracted  
>>>>> Party House.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Where are we at?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I know we agreed that Olga serves interim, and I think that  
>>>>> is great.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is there any feedback on the NCSG suggestion that we just  
>>>>> elect following the general practice that was used for the  
>>>>> Chair election?
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I repeat it below.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> thanks
>>>>> >> a.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:15 PM
>>>>> >>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>>> >>> Cc: Marilyn Cade; Olga Cavalli; Holmes Tony
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: update from the CSG side about progression toward
>>>>> >>> election process for V.Chair/House
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We certainly accept Olga remaining while we figure this  
>>>>> out, which I
>>>>> >>> hope is soon, really soon.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Yes, our candidate is Mary.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I would like to counter propose.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We follow the GCOT defined process for the chair.  it is, in
>>>>> >>> diplomatic speak, agreed language and would allow us to be  
>>>>> done with it.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> That means
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 1 candidate from each SG
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> a. need 8 votes to win
>>>>> >>> b. if no one gets 8, person in the lead runs against none  
>>>>> of the
>>>>> >>> above
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> - From now on, we alternate with the SG who did not pick the
>>>>> >>> successful candidate, picking the v-chair candidate.  They  
>>>>> can pick
>>>>> >>> the person who is currently in the v-chair (assuming they  
>>>>> are doing
>>>>> >>> a good job, and are really neutral), someone from their  
>>>>> group, or
>>>>> >>> the NCA (don't assume they would pick someone from the  
>>>>> other group
>>>>> >>> who wasn't already v-chair but they could)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This person would still have to endure a vote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> - chosen candidate vs. none of the above
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Takes 8 to win.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I/we hate the idea of having to do this again, so I am  
>>>>> hoping we can
>>>>> >>> find a way to just finalize this and move on.  especially  
>>>>> since we
>>>>> >>> have Olga filling the spot while we discuss this, the hurry  
>>>>> probably
>>>>> >>> isn't as great.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We accept that this does not prejudice the Board seat  
>>>>> election,
>>>>> >>> though must say that the NCSG generally accepts staying with
>>>>> >>> accepted language, i.e. the same process as is already  
>>>>> accepted for the chair.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> a.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IP JUSTICE
>>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
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> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
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From wendy  Sun Dec  2 06:56:39 2012
From: wendy (Wendy Seltzer)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 23:56:39 -0500
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
 the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <4B17B180-10E4-43AF-B8AC-7ADE858CD136@ipjustice.org>
References: <4B17B180-10E4-43AF-B8AC-7ADE858CD136@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <50BADF87.4030009@seltzer.com>

Thanks Robin!
This sets just the right tone, so I hope we'll get some help from Chris
to move forward.

--Wendy

On 11/30/2012 07:06 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Dear Chris:
> 
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing,
> but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation
> that has stalled on its own.
> 
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The
> understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we
> had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate
> the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two
> SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor
> that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and
> been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and
> work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your
> mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process
> forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a
> timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of
> course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the
> situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
> 
> 
> 
> IP JUSTICE
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> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
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Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter  Sun Dec  2 13:30:35 2012
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:30:35 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
 the NCPH Vice-Chair
References: <4B17B180-10E4-43AF-B8AC-7ADE858CD136@ipjustice.org>
	<50BADF87.4030009@seltzer.com>
Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD6A9@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Thanks Robin,
 
very diplomatic! Congratulations.
 
wolfgang 

________________________________

Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von Wendy Seltzer
Gesendet: So 02.12.2012 05:56
An: Robin Gross
Cc: NCSG-Policy
Betreff: Re: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair



Thanks Robin!
This sets just the right tone, so I hope we'll get some help from Chris
to move forward.

--Wendy

On 11/30/2012 07:06 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Dear Chris:
>
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing,
> but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation
> that has stalled on its own.
>
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The
> understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we
> had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate
> the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two
> SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor
> that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and
> been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and
> work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your
> mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process
> forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a
> timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of
> course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the
> situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org
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>
>
>
>
>
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Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project
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From robin  Mon Dec  3 05:24:49 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:24:49 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Policy Briefing Call at 11:00am (Eastern Time) on
	Monday 3 December
Message-ID: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>

Reminder:

We've set up a policy briefing call up for 11:00am Eastern Time on  
Monday 3 December on the issue of special privileges for  
intergovernmental orgs and the working group that has been set up to  
deal with the issue.

I hope the policy councilors can join the call and also those in NCSG  
who have been most active on this issue in recent months because  
legal academics Lea Shaver and David Opderbeck will also be on the  
call to get up to speed on this issue from NCSG's side. Lea and David  
have agreed to join the ICANN working group on behalf of NCSG to help  
bring some additional legal muscle to the working group to counter  
all the IOC-RC lobbyists who dominate the working group.  So they  
really need our support in getting up to speed on this issue which is  
already moving fast.

The password for the call will be "NCSG" and here are the dial-in  
numbers:
   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm

Thanks!  I'm looking forward to speaking with you all then.

All best,
Robin




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From magaly.pazello  Mon Dec  3 15:53:24 2012
From: magaly.pazello (Magaly Pazello)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:53:24 -0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Policy Briefing Call at 11:00am (Eastern Time)
 on Monday 3 December
In-Reply-To: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>
References: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <CA+dOKfA3cJYBf2HEyRha1oFiJR6ZEWHxk69z4Qtg==-fZpid4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!
is there any other way of participation instead a conference call?
Magaly

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Reminder:
>
> We've set up a policy briefing call up for 11:00am Eastern Time on Monday
> 3 December on the issue of special privileges for intergovernmental orgs
> and the working group that has been set up to deal with the issue.
>
> I hope the policy councilors can join the call and also those in NCSG who
> have been most active on this issue in recent months because legal
> academics Lea Shaver and David Opderbeck will also be on the call to get up
> to speed on this issue from NCSG's side. Lea and David have agreed to join
> the ICANN working group on behalf of NCSG to help bring some additional
> legal muscle to the working group to counter all the IOC-RC lobbyists who
> dominate the working group.  So they really need our support in getting up
> to speed on this issue which is already moving fast.
>
> The password for the call will be "NCSG" and here are the dial-in numbers:
>   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
>
> Thanks!  I'm looking forward to speaking with you all then.
>
> All best,
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
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From wendy  Mon Dec  3 15:56:50 2012
From: wendy (Wendy Seltzer)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:56:50 -0500
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Policy Briefing Call at 11:00am (Eastern Time)
 on Monday 3 December
In-Reply-To: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>
References: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <50BCAFA2.2090108@seltzer.com>

I'm sorry that I'll be unable to join the call. If it's still going when
prior meetings conclude, I'll dial-in then.

--Wendy

On 12/02/2012 10:24 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Reminder:
> 
> We've set up a policy briefing call up for 11:00am Eastern Time on
> Monday 3 December on the issue of special privileges for
> intergovernmental orgs and the working group that has been set up to
> deal with the issue.
> 
> I hope the policy councilors can join the call and also those in NCSG
> who have been most active on this issue in recent months because legal
> academics Lea Shaver and David Opderbeck will also be on the call to get
> up to speed on this issue from NCSG's side. Lea and David have agreed to
> join the ICANN working group on behalf of NCSG to help bring some
> additional legal muscle to the working group to counter all the IOC-RC
> lobbyists who dominate the working group.  So they really need our
> support in getting up to speed on this issue which is already moving fast.
> 
> The password for the call will be "NCSG" and here are the dial-in numbers:
>   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
> 
> Thanks!  I'm looking forward to speaking with you all then.
> 
> All best,
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> 


-- 
Wendy Seltzer -- wendy at seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613
Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project
http://wendy.seltzer.org/
https://www.chillingeffects.org/
https://www.torproject.org/
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/



From robin  Mon Dec  3 17:40:00 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 07:40:00 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00
	(Eastern Time)
References: <CCE24051.D1BBF%gisella.gruber@icann.org>
Message-ID: <FCC85E37-A71E-4C6B-84B1-C81D1EE3B4C9@ipjustice.org>

Dear all:

The policy call briefing on IGO- INGO working group was set up on the  
ADIGO conference system (NOT the one I sent out in email over the  
weekend).

Please see call-in details below.  Sorry about the mix-up.  I just  
got the confirm myself.  Speak to you in 20 minutes from now.

Thank you,
Robin


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Gisella Gruber <Gisella.Gruber at icann.org>
> Date: December 3, 2012 3:43:40 AM PST
> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Cc: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
> Subject: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00 (Eastern Time)
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> This call has been set up for you today, Monday 3 December at 11am  
> Eastern time.
>
> ADIGO Conference Call
>
> Participant passcode: 7308
>
> Dial in numbers:
> USA:                                                     toll free:  
> 1 800 550 6865 / toll +1 213 233 3193
>
> For all other numbers:
>
> http://www.adigo.com/icann
>
> Please let me know if you have any dial-outs.
>
> An operator will be starting this call for you.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gisella
>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Glen,
>>>
>>> Is it possible to please set up a phone bridge for NCSG Policy  
>>> Committee on Monday 3 December 11:30 am (Eastern Time)?  The call  
>>> would only be one hour.  No need for Adobe Connect for this, only  
>>> the phone line.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>
>>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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From maria.farrell  Mon Dec  3 18:40:01 2012
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:40:01 +0000
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Policy Briefing Call at 11:00am (Eastern Time)
 on Monday 3 December
In-Reply-To: <50BCAFA2.2090108@seltzer.com>
References: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>
	<50BCAFA2.2090108@seltzer.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdCmRVR5dU34UiccKgWjHCL8E-GcQo=KR4BLejMSwH_pMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Apologies - I'd not scheduled to join the call as I have other commitments
today and thought it out of my expertise before I saw Robin's request for
councillors to join in. Sorry!

Maria

On 3 December 2012 13:56, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry that I'll be unable to join the call. If it's still going when
> prior meetings conclude, I'll dial-in then.
>
> --Wendy
>
> On 12/02/2012 10:24 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> > Reminder:
> >
> > We've set up a policy briefing call up for 11:00am Eastern Time on
> > Monday 3 December on the issue of special privileges for
> > intergovernmental orgs and the working group that has been set up to
> > deal with the issue.
> >
> > I hope the policy councilors can join the call and also those in NCSG
> > who have been most active on this issue in recent months because legal
> > academics Lea Shaver and David Opderbeck will also be on the call to get
> > up to speed on this issue from NCSG's side. Lea and David have agreed to
> > join the ICANN working group on behalf of NCSG to help bring some
> > additional legal muscle to the working group to counter all the IOC-RC
> > lobbyists who dominate the working group.  So they really need our
> > support in getting up to speed on this issue which is already moving
> fast.
> >
> > The password for the call will be "NCSG" and here are the dial-in
> numbers:
> >   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
> >
> > Thanks!  I'm looking forward to speaking with you all then.
> >
> > All best,
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IP JUSTICE
> > Robin Gross, Executive Director
> > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> > p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> > w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PC-NCSG mailing list
> > PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
> >
>
>
> --
> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy at seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613
> Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
> Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project
> http://wendy.seltzer.org/
> https://www.chillingeffects.org/
> https://www.torproject.org/
> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter  Mon Dec  3 19:05:20 2012
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 18:05:20 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December
	11:00	(Eastern Time)
References: <CCE24051.D1BBF%gisella.gruber@icann.org>
	<FCC85E37-A71E-4C6B-84B1-C81D1EE3B4C9@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD6C2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

I just called in but nobody is here. Any information? 
 
wolfgang

________________________________

Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von Robin Gross
Gesendet: Mo 03.12.2012 16:40
An: NCSG-Policy
Cc: David Opderbeck; Lea Bishop Shaver
Betreff: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00 (Eastern Time)


Dear all: 

The policy call briefing on IGO- INGO working group was set up on the ADIGO conference system (NOT the one I sent out in email over the weekend).

Please see call-in details below.  Sorry about the mix-up.  I just got the confirm myself.  Speak to you in 20 minutes from now.

Thank you,
Robin


Begin forwarded message:


	From: Gisella Gruber <Gisella.Gruber at icann.org>
	Date: December 3, 2012 3:43:40 AM PST
	To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
	Cc: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
	Subject: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00 (Eastern Time)

	Dear Robin,
	
	
	This call has been set up for you today, Monday 3 December at 11am Eastern time.
	
	
	ADIGO Conference Call
	
	
	Participant passcode: 7308
	 
	Dial in numbers: 
	

	USA:                                                     toll free: 1 800 550 6865 / toll +1 213 233 3193

	For all other numbers:

	http://www.adigo.com/icann

	Please let me know if you have any dial-outs.

	An operator will be starting this call for you.

	Thank you.

	Kind regards,

	Gisella

	



		On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Robin Gross wrote:


			Dear Glen, 

			Is it possible to please set up a phone bridge for NCSG Policy Committee on Monday 3 December 11:30 am (Eastern Time)?  The call would only be one hour.  No need for Adobe Connect for this, only the phone line.

			Thank you!
			Robin

			

			IP JUSTICE
			Robin Gross, Executive Director
			1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
			p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
			w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org





		



		IP JUSTICE
		Robin Gross, Executive Director
		1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
		p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
		w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org








IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org






From maria.farrell  Mon Dec  3 19:21:14 2012
From: maria.farrell (Maria Farrell)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:21:14 +0000
Subject: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00
 (Eastern Time)
In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD6C2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
References: <CCE24051.D1BBF%gisella.gruber@icann.org>
	<FCC85E37-A71E-4C6B-84B1-C81D1EE3B4C9@ipjustice.org>
	<2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD6C2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <CAC7qwdBPNoLECUP1b88o0NEwrG_a3bb-jRZpKwzNsTxGw9yP2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I think the call was an hour ago.

On 3 December 2012 17:05, "Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> I just called in but nobody is here. Any information?
>
> wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von Robin Gross
> Gesendet: Mo 03.12.2012 16:40
> An: NCSG-Policy
> Cc: David Opderbeck; Lea Bishop Shaver
> Betreff: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00
> (Eastern Time)
>
>
> Dear all:
>
> The policy call briefing on IGO- INGO working group was set up on the
> ADIGO conference system (NOT the one I sent out in email over the weekend).
>
> Please see call-in details below.  Sorry about the mix-up.  I just got the
> confirm myself.  Speak to you in 20 minutes from now.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>         From: Gisella Gruber <Gisella.Gruber at icann.org>
>         Date: December 3, 2012 3:43:40 AM PST
>         To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>         Cc: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
>         Subject: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00 (Eastern Time)
>
>         Dear Robin,
>
>
>         This call has been set up for you today, Monday 3 December at 11am
> Eastern time.
>
>
>         ADIGO Conference Call
>
>
>         Participant passcode: 7308
>
>         Dial in numbers:
>
>
>         USA:                                                     toll
> free: 1 800 550 6865 / toll +1 213 233 3193
>
>         For all other numbers:
>
>         http://www.adigo.com/icann
>
>         Please let me know if you have any dial-outs.
>
>         An operator will be starting this call for you.
>
>         Thank you.
>
>         Kind regards,
>
>         Gisella
>
>
>
>
>
>                 On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
>
>                         Dear Glen,
>
>                         Is it possible to please set up a phone bridge for
> NCSG Policy Committee on Monday 3 December 11:30 am (Eastern Time)?  The
> call would only be one hour.  No need for Adobe Connect for this, only the
> phone line.
>
>                         Thank you!
>                         Robin
>
>
>
>                         IP JUSTICE
>                         Robin Gross, Executive Director
>                         1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>                         p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>                         w: http://www.ipjustice.org <
> http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                 IP JUSTICE
>                 Robin Gross, Executive Director
>                 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>                 p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>                 w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>
>    e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e:
> robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>
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From robin  Mon Dec  3 19:26:59 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:26:59 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00
	(Eastern Time)
In-Reply-To: <CAC7qwdBPNoLECUP1b88o0NEwrG_a3bb-jRZpKwzNsTxGw9yP2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCE24051.D1BBF%gisella.gruber@icann.org>
	<FCC85E37-A71E-4C6B-84B1-C81D1EE3B4C9@ipjustice.org>
	<2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD6C2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
	<CAC7qwdBPNoLECUP1b88o0NEwrG_a3bb-jRZpKwzNsTxGw9yP2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DEBB080-F503-46A6-9576-D888B673D60F@ipjustice.org>

Yes it was a one our call.

Thanks, all!
Robin

On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Maria Farrell wrote:

> I think the call was an hour ago.
>
> On 3 December 2012 17:05, "Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang"  
> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
> I just called in but nobody is here. Any information?
>
> wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von Robin Gross
> Gesendet: Mo 03.12.2012 16:40
> An: NCSG-Policy
> Cc: David Opderbeck; Lea Bishop Shaver
> Betreff: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December  
> 11:00 (Eastern Time)
>
>
> Dear all:
>
> The policy call briefing on IGO- INGO working group was set up on  
> the ADIGO conference system (NOT the one I sent out in email over  
> the weekend).
>
> Please see call-in details below.  Sorry about the mix-up.  I just  
> got the confirm myself.  Speak to you in 20 minutes from now.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>         From: Gisella Gruber <Gisella.Gruber at icann.org>
>         Date: December 3, 2012 3:43:40 AM PST
>         To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>         Cc: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
>         Subject: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00 (Eastern Time)
>
>         Dear Robin,
>
>
>         This call has been set up for you today, Monday 3 December  
> at 11am Eastern time.
>
>
>         ADIGO Conference Call
>
>
>         Participant passcode: 7308
>
>         Dial in numbers:
>
>
>         USA:                                                      
> toll free: 1 800 550 6865 / toll +1 213 233 3193
>
>         For all other numbers:
>
>         http://www.adigo.com/icann
>
>         Please let me know if you have any dial-outs.
>
>         An operator will be starting this call for you.
>
>         Thank you.
>
>         Kind regards,
>
>         Gisella
>
>
>
>
>
>                 On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
>
>                         Dear Glen,
>
>                         Is it possible to please set up a phone  
> bridge for NCSG Policy Committee on Monday 3 December 11:30 am  
> (Eastern Time)?  The call would only be one hour.  No need for  
> Adobe Connect for this, only the phone line.
>
>                         Thank you!
>                         Robin
>
>
>
>                         IP JUSTICE
>                         Robin Gross, Executive Director
>                         1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA   
> 94117  USA
>                         p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>                         w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http:// 
> www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                 IP JUSTICE
>                 Robin Gross, Executive Director
>                 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>                 p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>                 w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http:// 
> www.ipjustice.org/>      e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org <http://www.ipjustice.org/>      e:  
> robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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From magaly.pazello  Mon Dec  3 19:28:55 2012
From: magaly.pazello (Magaly Pazello)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:28:55 -0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Policy Briefing Call at 11:00am (Eastern Time)
 on Monday 3 December
In-Reply-To: <CA+dOKfA3cJYBf2HEyRha1oFiJR6ZEWHxk69z4Qtg==-fZpid4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F6BE4C72-8029-48F9-8FCE-1FB38CED4575@ipjustice.org>
	<CA+dOKfA3cJYBf2HEyRha1oFiJR6ZEWHxk69z4Qtg==-fZpid4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+dOKfB=veOsfO=41NFKAbOoxv7y6KRRwfYAFJAppuf8K=mh-A@mail.gmail.com>

Also I didn't find the phone number for Brazil...
Magaly

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi!
> is there any other way of participation instead a conference call?
> Magaly
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
>> Reminder:
>>
>> We've set up a policy briefing call up for 11:00am Eastern Time on Monday
>> 3 December on the issue of special privileges for intergovernmental orgs
>> and the working group that has been set up to deal with the issue.
>>
>> I hope the policy councilors can join the call and also those in NCSG who
>> have been most active on this issue in recent months because legal
>> academics Lea Shaver and David Opderbeck will also be on the call to get up
>> to speed on this issue from NCSG's side. Lea and David have agreed to join
>> the ICANN working group on behalf of NCSG to help bring some additional
>> legal muscle to the working group to counter all the IOC-RC lobbyists who
>> dominate the working group.  So they really need our support in getting up
>> to speed on this issue which is already moving fast.
>>
>> The password for the call will be "NCSG" and here are the dial-in numbers:
>>   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
>>
>> Thanks!  I'm looking forward to speaking with you all then.
>>
>> All best,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PC-NCSG mailing list
>> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg
>>
>>
>
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From magaly.pazello  Mon Dec  3 19:30:53 2012
From: magaly.pazello (Magaly Pazello)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:30:53 -0200
Subject: [PC-NCSG] CHANGE: Fwd: Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00
 (Eastern Time)
In-Reply-To: <FCC85E37-A71E-4C6B-84B1-C81D1EE3B4C9@ipjustice.org>
References: <CCE24051.D1BBF%gisella.gruber@icann.org>
	<FCC85E37-A71E-4C6B-84B1-C81D1EE3B4C9@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <CA+dOKfAGD1pXrgEbtzNyb2TdEkDM45ruF2aEB7MdhaqhT2FBNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ohoho! I jsut got this message right now... :-(
too late... sorry.
Magaly

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Dear all:
>
> The policy call briefing on IGO- INGO working group was set up on the
> ADIGO conference system (NOT the one I sent out in email over the weekend).
>
> Please see call-in details below.  Sorry about the mix-up.  I just got the
> confirm myself.  Speak to you in 20 minutes from now.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Gisella Gruber <Gisella.Gruber at icann.org>
> *Date: *December 3, 2012 3:43:40 AM PST
> *To: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> *Cc: *Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
> *Subject: **Call details / Monday 3 December 11:00 (Eastern Time)*
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> This call has been set up for you today, Monday 3 December at 11am Eastern
> time.
>
> ADIGO Conference Call
>
> *Participant passcode: 7308*
>
> *Dial in numbers:*
>
> USA:                                                     toll free: 1 800
> 550 6865 / toll +1 213 233 3193
>
> For all other numbers:
>
> http://www.adigo.com/icann
>
> Please let me know if you have any dial-outs.
>
> An operator will be starting this call for you.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gisella
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
> Dear Glen,
>
> Is it possible to please set up a phone bridge for NCSG Policy Committee
> on Monday 3 December 11:30 am (Eastern Time)?  The call would only be one
> hour.  No need for Adobe Connect for this, only the phone line.
>
> Thank you!
> Robin
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
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> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From william.drake  Mon Dec  3 21:56:18 2012
From: william.drake (William Drake)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 20:56:18 +0100
Subject: [PC-NCSG] ICANN Policy Briefing Call at 11:00am (Eastern Time)
	on Monday 3 December
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Hi

In Zurich, was teaching, sorry I missed it.

Best,

BD

On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Maria Farrell wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Apologies - I'd not scheduled to join the call as I have other commitments today and thought it out of my expertise before I saw Robin's request for councillors to join in. Sorry!
> 
> Maria
> 
> On 3 December 2012 13:56, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry that I'll be unable to join the call. If it's still going when
> prior meetings conclude, I'll dial-in then.
> 
> --Wendy
> 
> On 12/02/2012 10:24 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> > Reminder:
> >
> > We've set up a policy briefing call up for 11:00am Eastern Time on
> > Monday 3 December on the issue of special privileges for
> > intergovernmental orgs and the working group that has been set up to
> > deal with the issue.
> >
> > I hope the policy councilors can join the call and also those in NCSG
> > who have been most active on this issue in recent months because legal
> > academics Lea Shaver and David Opderbeck will also be on the call to get
> > up to speed on this issue from NCSG's side. Lea and David have agreed to
> > join the ICANN working group on behalf of NCSG to help bring some
> > additional legal muscle to the working group to counter all the IOC-RC
> > lobbyists who dominate the working group.  So they really need our
> > support in getting up to speed on this issue which is already moving fast.
> >
> > The password for the call will be "NCSG" and here are the dial-in numbers:
> >   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm
> >
> > Thanks!  I'm looking forward to speaking with you all then.
> >
> > All best,
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IP JUSTICE
> > Robin Gross, Executive Director
> > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> > p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> > w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
> >
> >
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> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy at seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613
> Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
> Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project
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From robin  Thu Dec  6 20:41:09 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:41:09 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [liaison6c] Proposed Draft Agenda for the GNSO
	Council Meeting 20 December 2012 at 15:00 UTC
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
> Date: December 6, 2012 10:30:51 AM PST
> To: liaison6c <liaison6c at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject: [liaison6c] Proposed Draft Agenda for the GNSO Council  
> Meeting 20 December 2012 at 15:00 UTC
>
> Dear All,
> Please find the proposed draft agenda below and posted on the Wiki  
> page:
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Agenda+20 
> +December+2012
> Please be aware that this agenda is subject to change, so please  
> keep checking on the Wiki pages.
> Proposed Draft Agenda for the GNSO Council Meeting 20 December 2012
>
> This agenda was established according to the GNSO Council Operating  
> Procedures approved 13 September 2012 for the GNSO Council and  
> updated.
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/gnso-operating-procedures-13sep12- 
> en.pdf
> For convenience:
> An excerpt of the ICANN Bylaws defining the voting thresholds is  
> provided in Appendix 1 at the end of this agenda.
> An excerpt from the Council Operating Procedures defining the  
> absentee voting procedures is provided in Appendix 2 at the end of  
> this agenda.
> Meeting Times 15:00 UTC
> http://tinyurl.com/bz42k3j
> Coordinated Universal Time 15:00 UTC
> 07:00 Los Angeles; 10:00 Washington; 15:00 London; 16:00 Paris;  
> 04:00 Wellington
>
> Dial-in numbers will be sent individually to Council members.  
> Councilors should notify the GNSO Secretariat in advance if a dial  
> out call is needed.
> GNSO Council meeting audio cast
> http://stream.icann.org:8000/gnso.m3u
> Item 1: Administrative matters (10 minutes)
> 1.1  Roll Call
> 1.2  Statement of interest updates
> 1.3  Review/amend agenda
> 1.4  Note the status of minutes for the previous Council meeting  
> per the GNSO Operating Procedures:
> Minutes of the GNSO Council meeting 15 November 2012 were approved  
> effective  29 November 2012.
> 1.5  GNSO Pending Projects List
> http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf
> Review main changes.
> Comments and/or questions.
> Item 2: Opening Remarks from Chair (5 minutes)
> Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes / topics
> Item 3: Consent agenda (5 minutes)
> Approval of the modified GNSO Operating Procedures which have been  
> updated to reflect the changes recommended by the Standing  
> Committee on GNSO Improvements Implementation (SCI) to address the  
> suspension of a Policy Development Process (PDP)
>
> Item 4: MOTION ? Second Level Protections for certain International  
> Olympic Committee/Red Cross Red Crescent (IOC / RCRC) names in the  
> first round of New GTLDs (10 minutes)
>
> The IOC/RC Drafting Team has forwarded its recommendations i.e.  
> that the GNSO Council recommend to the Board that it adopt the IOC/ 
> RC Drafting Team?s recommendations http://tinyurl.com/atl39y4:  
> providing for temporary reservation of the exact match IOC/RC names  
> at the second level, prior to the delegation of the first round of  
> new gTLDs. The GNSO Council is now asked to consider approval of  
> the motion, and the next steps for informing the Board about the  
> GNSO Council vote.
> Note: On 26 November 2012, the Board?s New gTLD Program Committee  
> adopted a resolution providing that ?restrictions for registration  
> of RCRC and IOC names for new gTLDs at the second level will be in  
> place until such time as a policy is adopted that may require  
> further action.?
>
> Refer to motion 1
> http://tinyurl.com/atl39y4:
>
> 4.1 Reading of the motion (Brian Winterfeldt).
> 4.2 Discussion of motion and next steps.
> 4.3 Vote (Standard threshold: simple majority of each house).
>
> Item 5: MOTION - Consumer Trust (10 minutes)
>
> The GNSO's Consumer Choice, Trust, and Competition WG has worked on  
> an Advice Letter for consideration by ICANN Supporting  
> Organisations and Advisory Committees.  Following withdrawal of the  
> motion from the October Meeting, a revised Advice Letter has been  
> prepared and the GNSO Council is now asked to consider and approve  
> this revised Advice Letter.
>
> Refer to motion 2:
> http://tinyurl.com/atl39y4:
>
> 5.1 Reading of the motion (John Berard).
> 5.2 Discussion of motion and next steps.
> 5.3 Vote (Standard threshold: simple majority of each house).
>
> Item 6: UPDATE ? Trademark Clearinghouse (TMCH) Strawman Proposal  
> and Defensive Registrations Discussion (20 Minutes)
>
> ICANN?s CEO has requested GNSO Council input on the Strawman  
> Proposal  recently developed through the TMCH related  
> implementation discussions, that has been posted for public  
> commenthttp://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/ 
> announcement-30nov12-en.htm .    ICANN?s CEO additionally requested  
> Council input on the joint proposal from the Business Constituency/ 
> Intellectual Property Constituency (BC/IPC) for a ?limited  
> preventative registration mechanism? which is also currently  
> available for public comment.   Related to this discussion is the  
> Staff briefing paper http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/32287 to the  
> GNSO Council on the topic of defensive registrations at the second  
> level, in response to a previous request from the New GLTD  
> Committee (2012.04.10.NG2).  The New GTLD Committee requested the  
> GNSO to consider whether additional work on defensive registrations  
> at the second level should be undertaken.  The Council is to  
> discuss: (i) a response to the ICANN CEOs request, and (ii) to  
> consider whether to undertake any additional work related to the BC/ 
> IPC proposal and/or the Staff briefing paper, on the topic of  
> second level defensive registrations.
>
> 6.1          Update from Staff (Brian Peck)
> 6.2          Discussion
> 6.3          Next Steps
>
> Item 7: UPDATE - Response to the GAC Letter (15 minutes)
>
> The GAC has sent a letter  to the GNSO Council with regard to the  
> initiation of a PDP on the IGO/INGO issue, and specifically  
> requesting a rationale for undertaking a PDP i.e. an explanation as  
> to why GNSO believes this issue should be evaluated through a PDP  
> rather than simply executed as an implementation process. This  
> letter and recent activities related to work on the Trademark  
> Clearinghouse, highlights a broader issue regarding the boundary  
> between policy development and implementation work as well as the  
> effective integration of policy development and integration work  
> from the outset.
>
> This is a discussion item.
>
> 7.1 Update
> 7.2 Discussion
> 7.3 Next steps
>
> Item 8: UPDATE - ATRT2 Developments (5 minutes)
>
> The call for applicants to serve on the next Accountability and  
> Transparency Review Team (ATRT) has been extended until 14 January  
> 2013.  (See: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/ 
> announcement-03dec12-en.htm ).   An update on the process and next  
> steps to provide GNSO Council endorsements of applicants will be  
> provided.
>
> This is a discussion item.
>
> 8.1 Update (Wolfe-Ulrich Knoben)
> 8.2 Discussion
> 8.3 Next steps
>
> Item 9: UPDATE ?  Next Steps-  WHOIS Board Resolution (10 minutes)
>
> On November 8, the ICANN Board adopted a resolution http:// 
> www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-08nov12-en.htm   
> which directed the CEO to launch a new effort to redefine the  
> purpose of collecting, maintaining and providing access to gTLD  
> registration data, and consider safeguards for protecting data, as  
> a foundation for new gTLD policy and contractual negotiations, as  
> appropriate.  The resolution also directed preparation of an Issue  
> Report on the purpose of collecting and maintaining gTLD  
> registration data, and on solutions to improve accuracy and access  
> to gTLD registration data, as part of a Board-initiated GNSO policy  
> development process.  Staff will provide an overview of the Board?s  
> resolution and the next steps for the GNSO Council and the ICANN  
> community.
>
> This is a discussion item.
>
> 9.1 Update
> 9.2 Discussion
> 9.3 Next steps
>
> Item 10: INFORMATION - GNSO Council Review and SIC Update (15 minutes)
>
> In Toronto, the Chair of the SIC provided an overview of a new  
> framework for future independent review efforts at ICANN.  The GNSO  
> was used as a case study to describe the effort because it is the  
> first Supporting Organization lined-up in the next review cycle.  
> Staff will brief the Council on the set of criteria metrics for  
> GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies, and the work underway  
> to develop metrics for the Council and the Working Group Model of  
> policy.
> 10.1          Update from Staff (Rob Hogarth)
> 10.2          Discussion
> 10.3          Next Steps
>
> Item 11:  Any Other Business (5 minutes)
> 11.1 Liaison to ccNSO - John Berard volunteered - approve
> Appendix 1: GNSO Council Voting Thresholds (ICANN Bylaws, Article  
> X, Section 3)
> 9. Except as otherwise specified in these Bylaws, Annex A hereto,  
> or the GNSO Operating Procedures, the default threshold to pass a  
> GNSO Council motion or other voting action requires a simple  
> majority vote of each House. The voting thresholds described below  
> shall apply to the following GNSO actions:
> a. Create an Issues Report: requires an affirmative vote of more  
> than one-fourth (1/4) vote of each House or majority of one House.
> b. Initiate a Policy Development Process ("PDP") Within Scope (as  
> described in Annex A): requires an affirmative vote of more than  
> one-third (1/3) of each House or more than two-thirds (2/3) of one  
> House.
> c. Initiate a PDP Not Within Scope: requires an affirmative vote of  
> GNSO Supermajority.
> d. Approve a PDP Team Charter for a PDP Within Scope: requires an  
> affirmative vote of more than one-third (1/3) of each House or more  
> than two-thirds (2/3) of one House.
> e. Approve a PDP Team Charter for a PDP Not Within Scope: requires  
> an affirmative vote of a GNSO Supermajority.
> f. Changes to an Approved PDP Team Charter: For any PDP Team  
> Charter approved under d. or e. above, the GNSO Council may approve  
> an amendment to the Charter through a simple majority vote of each  
> House.
> g. Terminate a PDP: Once initiated, and prior to the publication of  
> a Final Report, the GNSO Council may terminate a PDP only for  
> significant cause, upon a motion that passes with a GNSO  
> Supermajority Vote in favor of termination.
> h. Approve a PDP Recommendation Without a GNSO Supermajority:  
> requires an affirmative vote of a majority of each House and  
> further requires that one GNSO Council member representative of at  
> least 3 of the 4 Stakeholder Groups supports the Recommendation.
> i. Approve a PDP Recommendation With a GNSO Supermajority: requires  
> an affirmative vote of a GNSO Supermajority,
> j. Approve a PDP Recommendation Imposing New Obligations on Certain  
> Contracting Parties: where an ICANN contract provision specifies  
> that "a two-thirds vote of the council" demonstrates the presence  
> of a consensus, the GNSO Supermajority vote threshold will have to  
> be met or exceeded.
> k. Modification of Approved PDP Recommendation: Prior to Final  
> Approval by the ICANN Board, an Approved PDP Recommendation may be  
> modified or amended by the GNSO Council with a GNSO Supermajority  
> vote.
> l. A "GNSO Supermajority" shall mean: (a) two-thirds (2/3) of the  
> Council members of each House, or (b) three-fourths (3/4) of one  
> House and a majority of the other House."
> Appendix 2: Absentee Voting Procedures (GNSO Operating Procedures 4.4)
> 4.4.1 Applicability
> Absentee voting is permitted for the following limited number of  
> Council motions or measures.
> a. Initiate a Policy Development Process (PDP);
> b. Approve a PDP recommendation;
> c. Recommend amendments to the GNSO Operating Procedures (GOP) or  
> ICANN Bylaws;
> d. Fill a Council position open for election.
> 4.4.2 Absentee ballots, when permitted, must be submitted within  
> the announced time limit, which shall be 72 hours from the  
> meeting?s adjournment. In exceptional circumstances, announced at  
> the time of the vote, the Chair may reduce this time to 24 hours or  
> extend the time to 7 calendar days, provided such amendment is  
> verbally confirmed by all Vice-Chairs present.
> 4.4.3 The GNSO Secretariat will administer, record, and tabulate  
> absentee votes according to these procedures and will provide  
> reasonable means for transmitting and authenticating absentee  
> ballots, which could include voting by telephone, e- mail, web- 
> based interface, or other technologies as may become available.
> 4.4.4 Absentee balloting does not affect quorum requirements.  
> (There must be a quorum for the meeting in which the vote is  
> initiated.)
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> hemisphere
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> New York/Washington DC, USA (EST) UTC-5+0DST 10:00
> Rio de Janiero, Brazil (BRST) UTC-3+1DST 13:00
> Montevideo, Uruguay (UYST) UTC-3+1DST 13:00
> Edinburgh, Scotland (BST) UTC+0DST 11:00
> London, United Kingdom (BST) UTC+0DST 15:00
> Abuja, Nigeria (WAT) UTC+1+0DST 16:00
> Bonn, Germany (CEST) UTC+1+0DST 16:00
> Stockholm, Sweden (CET) UTC+1+0DST 16:00
> Ramat Hasharon, Israel(IST) UTC+2+0DST 17:00
> Karachi, Pakistan (PKT ) UTC+5+0DST 20:00
> Beijing/Hong Kong, China (HKT ) UTC+8+0DST 23:00
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IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From robin  Thu Dec  6 23:28:50 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:28:50 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
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Dear Chris,

Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I  
agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.

How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning  
are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would  
work for you please let me know.

Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this  
negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will  
probably want to be on the call also.

Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.

All best,
Robin

On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:

> Dear Robin,
>
> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would  
> be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward  
> to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the  
> NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise  
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online  
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am  
> filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain  
> situation that has stalled on its own.
>
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse  
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.   
> The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)  
> is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group  
> (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual  
> basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have  
> been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you  
> in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests  
> to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.   
> Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely  
> helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in  
> its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you  
> think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to  
> talk with you further about the details of the situation at your  
> earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
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1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From robin  Thu Dec  6 23:50:17 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:50:17 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Request for mediation services regarding selection
	of the NCPH Vice-Chair
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
Message-ID: <673C3033-1DD4-462D-9B2E-B09482F06EF7@ipjustice.org>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Hi Robin
> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me,  
> bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is  
> my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next  
> week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon  
> or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would  
> be best with several participants.
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.   
> I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this  
> situation.
>
> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning  
> are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would  
> work for you please let me know.
>
> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this  
> negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair  
> will probably want to be on the call also.
>
> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>
> All best,
> Robin
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would  
> be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward  
> to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the  
> NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise  
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online  
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am  
> filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain  
> situation that has stalled on its own.
>
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse  
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.   
> The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)  
> is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group  
> (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual  
> basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have  
> been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you  
> in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests  
> to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.   
> Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely  
> helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in  
> its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you  
> think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to  
> talk with you further about the details of the situation at your  
> earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From robin  Sun Dec  9 03:35:12 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 17:35:12 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Input requested for PDP on the Protection of IGO and
	INGO Identifiers in all gTLDs (IGO-INGO)
References: <C4B5E5D7461AB54B875986D2919CBB5FD1FD84C549@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org>
> Date: December 7, 2012 12:32:04 PM PST
> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Cc: Brian Peck <brian.peck at icann.org>, Berry Cobb Mail  
> <mail at berrycobb.com>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> Subject: Input requested for PDP on the Protection of IGO and INGO  
> Identifiers in all gTLDs (IGO-INGO)
>
>
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> The PDP Working Group on the Protection of IGO and INGO Identifiers  
> in all gTLDs (IGO-INGO) would appreciate the NCSG?s input through  
> the attached  Input Template also in text below:
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> Stakeholder Group / Constituency / Input Template
>
> Protection of IGO and INGO Identifiers in all gTLDs Working Group
>
>
>
> PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR RESPONSE AT THE LATEST BY 15 January 2013 TO THE  
> GNSO SECRETARIAT (gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org), which will  
> forward your statement to the Working Group.
>
>
>
> The GNSO Council has formed a Working Group of interested  
> stakeholders and Stakeholder Group / Constituency representatives,  
> to collaborate broadly with knowledgeable individuals and  
> organizations, in order to consider recommendations in relation to  
> the protection of names, designations and acronyms, hereinafter  
> referred to as ?identifiers?, of intergovernmental organizations  
> (IGO?s) and international non-governmental organizations  
> (INGO?s) receiving protections under treaties and statutes under  
> multiple jurisdictions.
>
>
>
> Part of the Working Group?s effort will be to incorporate ideas  
> and suggestions gathered from Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies  
> through this template Statement.  Inserting your response in this  
> form will make it much easier for the Working Group to summarize  
> the responses for analysis. This information is helpful to the  
> community in understanding the points of view of various  
> stakeholders. However, you should feel free to add any information  
> you deem important to inform the Working Group?s deliberations,  
> even if this does not fit into any of the questions listed below.
>
>
>
> For further information, please visit the WG Webpage and Workspace:
>
> http://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/protection-igo-names.htm
>
>
> Process
>
> -        Please identify the member(s) of your Stakeholder Group /  
> Constituency who is (are) participating in this Working Group
>
> -        Please identify the members of your Stakeholder Group /  
> Constituency who participated in developing the perspective(s) set  
> forth below
>
> -        Please describe the process by which your Stakeholder  
> Group / Constituency arrived at the perspective(s) set forth below
>
>
>
> Below are elements of the approved charter that the WG has been  
> tasked to address:
>
> As part of its deliberations on the first issue as to whether there  
> is a need for special protections for IGO and INGO organizations at  
> the top and second level in all gTLDs (existing and new), the PDP  
> WG should, at a minimum, consider the following elements as  
> detailed in the Final Issue Report:
>
>
>
> ?        Quantifying the Entities whose names  may be Considered  
> for Special Protection
>
> ?        Evaluating the Scope of Existing Protections under  
> International Treaties/Laws for the IGO-INGO organizations concerned;
>
> ?        Establishing Qualification Criteria for Special Protection  
> of  names of the IGO and INGO organizations concerned;
>
> ?        Distinguishing any Substantive Differences between the  
> RCRC and IOC designations from those of other IGO-INGO Organizations.
>
>
>
> Should the PDP WG reach consensus on a recommendation that there is  
> a need for special protections at the top and second levels in all  
> existing and new gTLDs for IGO and INGO organization identifiers,  
> the PDP WG is expected to:
>
>
>
> ?        Develop specific recommendations for appropriate special  
> protections, if any, for the identifiers of any or all IGO and INGO  
> organizations at the first and second levels.
>
> ?        Determine the appropriate protections, if any, for RCRC  
> and IOC names at the second level for the initial round of new  
> gTLDs and make recommendations on the implementation of such  
> protection.
>
> ?        Determine whether the current special protections being  
> provided to RCRC and IOC names at the top and second level of the  
> initial round of new gTLDs should be made permanent for RCRC and  
> IOC names in all gTLDs; if so, determine whether the existing  
> protections are sufficient and comprehensive; if not, develop  
> specific recommendations for appropriate special protections (if  
> any) for these identifiers.
>
>
>
> Questions to Consider:
>
>
>
> 1.      What kinds of entities should be considered for Special  
> Protections at the top and second level in all gTLDs (existing and  
> new)?
>
> Group View:
>
> 2.      What facts or law are you aware of which might form an  
> objective basis for Special Protections under International  
> Treaties/Domestic Laws for IGOs, INGOs as they may relate to gTLDs  
> and the DNS?
>
> Group View:
>
> 3.      Do you have opinions about what criteria should be used for  
> Special Protection of the IGO and INGO identifiers?
>
> Group View:
>
> 4.      Do you think there are substantive differences between the  
> RCRC/IOC and IGOs and INGOs?
>
> Group View:
>
> 5.      Should appropriate Special Protections at the top and  
> second level for the identifiers of IGOs and INGOs be made?
>
> Group View:
>
> 6.      In addition, should Special Protections for the identifiers  
> of IGOs and INGOs at the second level be in place for the initial  
> round of new gTLDs?
>
> Group View:
>
> 7.      Should the current Special Protections provided to the RCRC  
> and IOC names at the top and second level of the initial round for  
> new gTLDs be made permanent in all gTLDs and if not, what specific  
> recommendations for appropriate Special Protections (if any) do you  
> have?
>
> Group View:
>
> 8.      Do you feel existing RPMs or proposed RPMs for the new gTLD  
> program are adequate to offer protections to IGO and INGOs  
> (understanding that UDRP and TMCH may not be eligible for all IGOs  
> and INGOs)?
>
> Group View:
>
>
> For further background information on the WG?s activities to date,  
> please see:
>
>
>
> ?        Protections of IGO and INGO identifiers in all gTLDs web  
> page (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/protection-igo- 
> names.htm).
>
> ?        Protection of International Organization Names Final Issue  
> Report, for insight into the current practices and issues  
> experienced (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/protection-igo- 
> names-final-issue-report-01oct12-en.pdf).
>
> ?        The IOC/RCRC DT page is also a good reference for how  
> those efforts were combined with this PDP (see http:// 
> gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/red-cross-ioc.htm).
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Glen de Saint G?ry
>
> GNSO Secretariat
>
> gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
>
> http://gnso.icann.org
>
>
>
?



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From robin  Mon Dec 10 20:29:20 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:29:20 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Request for mediation services regarding selection
	of the NCPH Vice-Chair
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
Message-ID: <066143A4-E6B8-4A90-A66F-4BDC75D5CCE4@ipjustice.org>

How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for those  
wishing to participate in this call?

I'm hoping at least Avri (as previous Chair who participated in the  
initial negotiations), and Wendy (as our nominee for vice-chair), and  
Bill (who has also spoken to CSG representative on this issue  
recently) could try to make the call with Chris to discuss the  
mediation request.

Thank you,
Robin


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Hi Robin
> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me,  
> bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is  
> my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next  
> week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon  
> or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would  
> be best with several participants.
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.   
> I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this  
> situation.
>
> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning  
> are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would  
> work for you please let me know.
>
> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this  
> negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair  
> will probably want to be on the call also.
>
> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>
> All best,
> Robin
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would  
> be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward  
> to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the  
> NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise  
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online  
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am  
> filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain  
> situation that has stalled on its own.
>
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse  
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.   
> The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)  
> is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group  
> (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual  
> basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have  
> been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you  
> in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests  
> to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.   
> Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely  
> helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in  
> its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you  
> think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to  
> talk with you further about the details of the situation at your  
> earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From william.drake  Mon Dec 10 20:54:52 2012
From: william.drake (William Drake)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:54:52 +0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <066143A4-E6B8-4A90-A66F-4BDC75D5CCE4@ipjustice.org>
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<066143A4-E6B8-4A90-A66F-4BDC75D5CCE4@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <2408A986-8509-4422-A99E-9006AA7B7DD2@UZH.CH>

Hi

Sorry but 1 am Saturday morning is not a good time for me.  I wouldn't think four of us are needed anyway to explain the email you've passed on, it's pretty clear.  

I'm not sure what conversation with a CSG rep you're referring to?the only one I can think of was at dinner in Baku with someone who said s/he was unaware and uninvolved.

Best

Bill

On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Robin Gross wrote:

> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for those wishing to participate in this call?
> 
> I'm hoping at least Avri (as previous Chair who participated in the initial negotiations), and Wendy (as our nominee for vice-chair), and Bill (who has also spoken to CSG representative on this issue recently) could try to make the call with Chris to discuss the mediation request.
> 
> Thank you,
> Robin
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
>> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
>> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>> 
>> Hi Robin
>> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me, bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would be best with several participants.
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>  
>>  
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>  
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>  
>> Dear Chris,
>>  
>> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.
>>  
>> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would work for you please let me know.  
>>  
>> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will probably want to be on the call also.
>>  
>> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>>  
>> All best,
>> Robin
>>  
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Robin,
>>  
>> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>  
>>  
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>  
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>  
>> Dear Chris:
>>  
>> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation that has stalled on its own.
>>  
>> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Robin Gross
>> NCSG Chair
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
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From avri  Mon Dec 10 21:26:31 2012
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:26:31 +0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <066143A4-E6B8-4A90-A66F-4BDC75D5CCE4@ipjustice.org>
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<066143A4-E6B8-4A90-A66F-4BDC75D5CCE4@ipjustice.org>
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Hi,

I will be in Sweden so 9 hours ahead of Pacific.  23 is doable for me.

avri



On 10 Dec 2012, at 22:29, Robin Gross wrote:

> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for those wishing to participate in this call?
> 
> I'm hoping at least Avri (as previous Chair who participated in the initial negotiations), and Wendy (as our nominee for vice-chair), and Bill (who has also spoken to CSG representative on this issue recently) could try to make the call with Chris to discuss the mediation request.
> 
> Thank you,
> Robin
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
>> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
>> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>> 
>> Hi Robin
>> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me, bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would be best with several participants.
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>  
>>  
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>  
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>  
>> Dear Chris,
>>  
>> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.
>>  
>> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would work for you please let me know.  
>>  
>> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will probably want to be on the call also.
>>  
>> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>>  
>> All best,
>> Robin
>>  
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Robin,
>>  
>> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>  
>>  
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>  
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>  
>> Dear Chris:
>>  
>> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation that has stalled on its own.
>>  
>> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Robin Gross
>> NCSG Chair
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
> 
> 
> 




From Mary.Wong  Mon Dec 10 22:06:07 2012
From: Mary.Wong (Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:06:07 -0500
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
 the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <F16D41F6-0088-4E01-A26E-27E284F11242@acm.org>
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<066143A4-E6B8-4A90-A66F-4BDC75D5CCE4@ipjustice.org>
	<F16D41F6-0088-4E01-A26E-27E284F11242@acm.org>
Message-ID: <50C5FA5F0200005B0009D3D8@smtp.law.unh.edu>


Hi all - unfortunately I will be in Hong Kong where it will be 2 a.m. and a few hours before a major conference opens. Like Bill said, however, we may not be needed if Avri, Robin and perhaps Wendy are able to take part. Thanks, all, and good luck! 

P.S. Robin - I guess I'm still on the NCSG PC list! :) It was probably because of lack of traffic on this list that I thought I wasn't. Thank you!


Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
Email: mary.wong at law.unh.edu
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584  


>>> 


From:  
Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> 

To: 
Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> 

CC: 
NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org> 

Date:  
12/10/2012 2:27 PM 

Subject:  
Re: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair 

Hi

I will be in Sweden so 9 hours ahead of Pacific.  23 is doable for me.

avri



On 10 Dec 2012, at 22:29, Robin Gross wrote:

> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for those wishing to participate in this call?
>
> I'm hoping at least Avri (as previous Chair who participated in the initial negotiations), and Wendy (as our nominee for vice-chair), and Bill (who has also spoken to CSG representative on this issue recently) could try to make the call with Chris to discuss the mediation request.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
>> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
>> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>
>> Hi Robin
>> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me, bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would be best with several participants.
>> Regards
>> 
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>> 
>> 
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>> 
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>> 
>> Dear Chris,
>> 
>> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.
>> 
>> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would work for you please let me know. 
>> 
>> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will probably want to be on the call also.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>> 
>> All best,
>> Robin
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear Robin,
>> 
>> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>> 
>> 
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>> 
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>> 
>> Dear Chris:
>> 
>> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation that has stalled on its own.
>> 
>> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Robin Gross
>> NCSG Chair
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
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> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
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From robin  Tue Dec 11 01:42:50 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:42:50 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Draft agenda for NCSG Open Policy Meeting 18 December
	(16:00 UTC)
Message-ID: <2FDA75BC-0287-417A-847A-E8F5505FF46D@ipjustice.org>

Dear NCSG Policy Committee Members:

Below is the draft discussion agenda for next week's NCSG Open Policy  
Meeting.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions or additions  
to the agenda at your earliest opportunity.

I hope you all will join in the call in preparation for the GNSO  
Council meeting on the 20th and to discuss

Thanks much!
Robin

NCSG Teleconference Bridge Dial-In Details & Passcode "NCSG":
   http://ipjustice.org/ICANN/NCSG/NCSG_Passcodes.htm

NCSG Remote Participation via Adobe Connect online meeting software:
   https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/ncsg/

Attendance Record of NCSG Policy & Executive Committee Members at  
NCSG Policy Meetings (new):
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc? 
key=0AmHFgvYjF_e4dGdNcVVfdHI2SWJ4dDZjU2xYaGV0WUE
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Draft Discussion Agenda - NCSG Open Policy Call
18 December 2012   (16:00 UTC)

I.  Preparation for GNSO Council Meeting on 20 December

A.  Motions to be voted on by GNSO Council

1.  GNSO Council Agenda Item 4: MOTION ? Second Level Protections for  
certain International Olympic Committee / Red Cross Red Crescent  
(IOC / RCRC) names in the first round of New GTLDs (10 minutes)

The IOC/RC Drafting Team has forwarded its recommendations i.e. that  
the GNSO Council recommend to the Board that it adopt the IOC/RC  
Drafting Team?s recommendations http://tinyurl.com/atl39y4: providing  
for temporary reservation of the exact match IOC/RC names at the  
second level, prior to the delegation of the first round of new  
gTLDs. The GNSO Council is now asked to consider approval of the  
motion, and the next steps for informing the Board about the GNSO  
Council vote.  Note: On 26 November 2012, the Board?s New gTLD  
Program Committee adopted a resolution providing that ?restrictions  
for registration of RCRC and IOC names for new gTLDs at the second  
level will be in place until such time as a policy is adopted that  
may require further action.?

Refer to motion 1
http://tinyurl.com/atl39y4:


2.  GNSO Council Agenda Item 5: MOTION - Consumer Trust

The GNSO's Consumer Choice, Trust, and Competition WG has worked on  
an Advice Letter for consideration by ICANN Supporting Organisations  
and Advisory Committees.  Following withdrawal of the motion from the  
October Meeting, a revised Advice Letter has been prepared and the  
GNSO Council is now asked to consider and approve this revised Advice  
Letter.

Refer to motion 2:
http://tinyurl.com/atl39y4:


  B.  Issues to be discussed by GNSO Council at 12/20 meeting

1.  Staff's Trademark Clearinghouse (TMCH) Strawman Proposal and IPC- 
BC Domain Blocking Proposal

ICANN?s CEO has requested GNSO Council input on his Strawman  
Proposal, a set of proposals from ICANN's staff to give further  
concessions to the IPC/BC and allow the 2 constituencies to re-open  
GNSO-approved policy for new gtlds to benefit these 2 constituencies  
at the expense of other interests.  Staff posted its strawman  
proposal for public comment http://www.icann.org/en/news/ 
announcements/announcement-30nov12-en.htm .    ICANN?s CEO  
additionally requested Council input on the joint proposal from the  
BC/IPC to block domain name registrations based on trademarks, a  
proposal previously rejected by the community, but the CEO is also  
asking for public comment on the blocking proposal as well.    The  
New GTLD Committee requested the GNSO to consider whether additional  
work on defensive registrations at the second level should be  
undertaken.  The Council is to discuss: (i) a response to the ICANN  
CEOs request, and (ii) to consider whether to undertake any  
additional work related to the BC/IPC proposal and/or the Staff  
briefing paper, on the topic of second level defensive registrations.

-- NCSG Statement 

-- ICANN Comment Period:
    21 December - Comment Deadline
    11 January - Reply Deadline

2.  Special Privileges for Red Cross, Olympic Committees and  
intergovernmental organizations

-- GNSO Council Discussion & Response to the GAC Letter (policy vs  
implementation)

The GAC has sent a letter  to the GNSO Council with regard to the  
initiation of a PDP on the IGO/INGO issue, and specifically  
requesting a rationale for undertaking a PDP i.e. an explanation as  
to why GNSO believes this issue should be evaluated through a PDP  
rather than simply executed as an implementation process. This letter  
and recent activities related to work on the Trademark Clearinghouse,  
highlights a broader issue regarding the boundary between policy  
development and implementation work as well as the effective  
integration of policy development and integration work from the outset.

-- IGO-INGO Working Group - NCSG Statement

II.  Other Pending GNSO Issues

A.  January 2013 Non-Contracted Parties House Intercessional Meeting

-- Update

-- Discussion

-- Next Steps

B.  Cyber-Cafe Constituency Proposal

-- Update

-- Discussion

-- Next Steps


C.  Registrar Agreement Amendments (RAA)

-- Update

-- Discussion

-- Next Steps



III.  AOB





IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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From Mary.Wong  Tue Dec 11 05:47:53 2012
From: Mary.Wong (Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:47:53 -0500
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Input requested for PDP on the Protection of IGO
 and INGO Identifiers in all gTLDs (IGO-INGO)
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Thanks, Robin.  

Folks - I unaccountably got dropped from the INGO WG mailing list for a
couple of weeks and so missed a lot of the discussions and at least one
call, sorry :( I will be catching up as best I can, via email archives
and so on, but thought I should ask - how do we want to coordinate our
response to this? 

Cheers 
Mary


Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
Email: mary.wong at law.unh.edu
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
(SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584  


>>> 


From:  
Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> 

To: 
NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org> 

Date:  
12/8/2012 8:35 PM 

Subject:  
[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Input requested for PDP on the Protection of IGO and
INGO Identifiers in all gTLDs (IGO-INGO) 

Begin forwarded message: 





From: Glen de Saint G?ry <Glen at icann.org> 

Date: December 7, 2012 12:32:04 PM PST 

To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> 

Cc: Brian Peck <brian.peck at icann.org>, Berry Cobb Mail
<mail at berrycobb.com>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org> 

Subject: Input requested for PDP on the Protection of IGO and INGO
Identifiers in all gTLDs (IGO-INGO) 



  
Dear Robin, 
The PDP Working Group on the Protection of IGO and INGO Identifiers in
all gTLDs (IGO-INGO) would appreciate the NCSG?s input through the
attached  Input Template also in text below:
Thank you. 
Kind regards, 
  
Glen 
  
Stakeholder Group / Constituency / Input Template  
Protection of IGO and INGO Identifiers in all gTLDs Working Group 

  
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR RESPONSE AT THE LATEST BY 15 January 2013 TO THE
GNSO SECRETARIAT (gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org), which will forward
your statement to the Working Group. 
  
The GNSO Council has formed a Working Group of interested stakeholders
and Stakeholder Group / Constituency representatives, to collaborate
broadly with knowledgeable individuals and organizations, in order to
consider recommendations in relation to the protection of names,
designations and acronyms, hereinafter referred to as ?identifiers?, of
intergovernmental organizations (IGO?s) and international
non-governmental organizations (INGO?s) receiving protections under
treaties and statutes under multiple jurisdictions. 
  
Part of the Working Group?s effort will be to incorporate ideas and
suggestions gathered from Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies through
this template Statement.  Inserting your response in this form will make
it much easier for the Working Group to summarize the responses for
analysis. This information is helpful to the community in understanding
the points of view of various stakeholders. However, you should feel
free to add any information you deem important to inform the Working
Group?s deliberations, even if this does not fit into any of the
questions listed below. 
  
For further information, please visit the WG Webpage and Workspace: 
http://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/ 

http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/protection-igo-names.htm 

  
Process 
-        Please identify the member(s) of your Stakeholder Group /
Constituency who is (are) participating in this Working Group 
-        Please identify the members of your Stakeholder Group /
Constituency who participated in developing the perspective(s) set forth
below 
-        Please describe the process by which your Stakeholder Group /
Constituency arrived at the perspective(s) set forth below 
  
Below are elements of the approved charter that the WG has been tasked
to address: 
As part of its deliberations on the first issue as to whether there is
a need for special protections for IGO and INGO organizations at the top
and second level in all gTLDs (existing and new), the PDP WG should, at
a minimum, consider the following elements as detailed in the Final
Issue Report: 
  
?        Quantifying the Entities whose names  may be Considered for
Special Protection 
?        Evaluating the Scope of Existing Protections under
International Treaties/Laws for the IGO-INGO organizations concerned; 
?        Establishing Qualification Criteria for Special Protection of 
names of the IGO and INGO organizations concerned; 
?        Distinguishing any Substantive Differences between the RCRC
and IOC designations from those of other IGO-INGO Organizations. 
  
Should the PDP WG reach consensus on a recommendation that there is a
need for special protections at the top and second levels in all
existing and new gTLDs for IGO and INGO organization identifiers, the
PDP WG is expected to: 
  
?        Develop specific recommendations for appropriate special
protections, if any, for the identifiers of any or all IGO and INGO
organizations at the first and second levels. 
?        Determine the appropriate protections, if any, for RCRC and
IOC names at the second level for the initial round of new gTLDs and
make recommendations on the implementation of such protection. 
?        Determine whether the current special protections being
provided to RCRC and IOC names at the top and second level of the
initial round of new gTLDs should be made permanent for RCRC and IOC
names in all gTLDs; if so, determine whether the existing protections
are sufficient and comprehensive; if not, develop specific
recommendations for appropriate special protections (if any) for these
identifiers. 
  
Questions to Consider: 
   
1.      What kinds of entities should be considered for Special
Protections at the top and second level in all gTLDs (existing and new)?

  
Group View: 
  
2.      What facts or law are you aware of which might form an
objective basis for Special Protections under International
Treaties/Domestic Laws for IGOs, INGOs as they may relate to gTLDs and
the DNS? 
  
Group View: 
  
3.      Do you have opinions about what criteria should be used for
Special Protection of the IGO and INGO identifiers? 
  
Group View: 
  
4.      Do you think there are substantive differences between the
RCRC/IOC and IGOs and INGOs? 
  
Group View: 
  
5.      Should appropriate Special Protections at the top and second
level for the identifiers of IGOs and INGOs be made? 
  
Group View: 
  
6.      In addition, should Special Protections for the identifiers of
IGOs and INGOs at the second level be in place for the initial round of
new gTLDs? 
  
Group View: 
  
7.      Should the current Special Protections provided to the RCRC and
IOC names at the top and second level of the initial round for new gTLDs
be made permanent in all gTLDs and if not, what specific recommendations
for appropriate Special Protections (if any) do you have? 
  
Group View: 
  
8.      Do you feel existing RPMs or proposed RPMs for the new gTLD
program are adequate to offer protections to IGO and INGOs
(understanding that UDRP and TMCH may not be eligible for all IGOs and
INGOs)? 
  
Group View: 
  

  

For further background information on the WG?s activities to date,
please see: 
   
?        Protections of IGO and INGO identifiers in all gTLDs web page
(see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/protection-igo-names.htm). 
?        Protection of International Organization Names Final Issue
Report, for insight into the current practices and issues experienced
(see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/protection-igo-names-final-issue-report-01oct12-en.pdf).

?        The IOC/RCRC DT page is also a good reference for how those
efforts were combined with this PDP (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/red-cross-ioc.htm). 
       

  
  
Glen de Saint G?ry 
GNSO Secretariat 
gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org 
http://gnso.icann.org 
  
 
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From william.drake  Tue Dec 11 06:32:47 2012
From: william.drake (William Drake)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:32:47 +0400
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <2408A986-8509-4422-A99E-9006AA7B7DD2@UZH.CH>
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
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Duh?guess I can't count as well as Avri when tired, sorry.  Nevertheless, as we have plans Friday night, 11pm doesn't work any better.  Can't imagine we need a big group on the call though.

B

On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:54 PM, William Drake wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Sorry but 1 am Saturday morning is not a good time for me.  I wouldn't think four of us are needed anyway to explain the email you've passed on, it's pretty clear.  
> 
> I'm not sure what conversation with a CSG rep you're referring to?the only one I can think of was at dinner in Baku with someone who said s/he was unaware and uninvolved.
> 
> Best
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> 
>> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for those wishing to participate in this call?
>> 
>> I'm hoping at least Avri (as previous Chair who participated in the initial negotiations), and Wendy (as our nominee for vice-chair), and Bill (who has also spoken to CSG representative on this issue recently) could try to make the call with Chris to discuss the mediation request.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
>>> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
>>> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>> 
>>> Hi Robin
>>> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me, bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would be best with several participants.
>>> Regards
>>>  
>>> Chris LaHatte
>>> Ombudsman
>>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Confidentiality
>>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>>  
>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>>> To: Chris LaHatte
>>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>>  
>>> Dear Chris,
>>>  
>>> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.
>>>  
>>> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would work for you please let me know.  
>>>  
>>> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will probably want to be on the call also.
>>>  
>>> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>>>  
>>> All best,
>>> Robin
>>>  
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Robin,
>>>  
>>> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>>>  
>>> Regards
>>>  
>>> Chris LaHatte
>>> Ombudsman
>>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Confidentiality
>>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>>  
>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
>>> To: Chris LaHatte
>>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>>> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>>  
>>> Dear Chris:
>>>  
>>> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation that has stalled on its own.
>>>  
>>> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Robin Gross
>>> NCSG Chair
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> IP JUSTICE
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
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From dave  Tue Dec 11 09:08:59 2012
From: dave (David Cake)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:08:59 +0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
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While that is a quite reasonable 9am for me, I'll be travelling and possible without phone reception. I'll try. 

David


On 11/12/2012, at 2:29 AM, Robin Gross wrote:

> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for those wishing to participate in this call?
> 
> I'm hoping at least Avri (as previous Chair who participated in the initial negotiations), and Wendy (as our nominee for vice-chair), and Bill (who has also spoken to CSG representative on this issue recently) could try to make the call with Chris to discuss the mediation request.
> 
> Thank you,
> Robin
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
>> Date: December 6, 2012 1:43:08 PM PST
>> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> Subject: RE: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>> 
>> Hi Robin
>> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me, bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would be best with several participants.
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>  
>>  
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>  
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>  
>> Dear Chris,
>>  
>> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.
>>  
>> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would work for you please let me know.  
>>  
>> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will probably want to be on the call also.
>>  
>> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>>  
>> All best,
>> Robin
>>  
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Robin,
>>  
>> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>  
>>  
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>  
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the NCPH Vice-Chair
>>  
>> Dear Chris:
>>  
>> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation that has stalled on its own.
>>  
>> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you further about the details of the situation at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Robin Gross
>> NCSG Chair
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>> 
>> 
>>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PC-NCSG mailing list
> PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg

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From robin  Tue Dec 11 22:58:56 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:58:56 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
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Dear Chris:

Thank you very much for your willingness to provide mediation  
assistance with this situation.

How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for you for  
a telephone call?

Thanks again,
Robin

On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:

> Hi Robin
> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me,  
> bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is  
> my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next  
> week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon  
> or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would  
> be best with several participants.
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.   
> I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this  
> situation.
>
> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning  
> are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would  
> work for you please let me know.
>
> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this  
> negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair  
> will probably want to be on the call also.
>
> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>
> All best,
> Robin
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would  
> be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward  
> to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the  
> NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise  
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online  
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am  
> filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain  
> situation that has stalled on its own.
>
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse  
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.   
> The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)  
> is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group  
> (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual  
> basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have  
> been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you  
> in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests  
> to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.   
> Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely  
> helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in  
> its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you  
> think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to  
> talk with you further about the details of the situation at your  
> earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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From robin  Thu Dec 13 21:41:49 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:41:49 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Request for mediation services regarding selection of
	the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729D164@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
References: <4B17B180-10E4-43AF-B8AC-7ADE858CD136@ipjustice.org>
	<BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A9436FD422C@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<39297D6A-06FF-4F2B-9ECD-9C7F95AFBACF@ipjustice.org>
	<BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A943729CB0B@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<7CDF25C3-804D-487E-B499-96DFE6A41604@ipjustice.org>
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Message-ID: <8FE69C32-B9DF-41DE-8D99-8E5CCB7AF352@ipjustice.org>

Thanks, Chris.  It was my understanding that this initial call would  
be between your office and NCSG to understand the nature of the  
mediation request and background for context.  It might just be you,  
me and Avri on the line initially.

Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific)

Thank you,
Robin

On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:

> Hi Robin
>
> That is a good time-11 am New Zealand time, so I look forward to  
> this. Is this a call to set up the mediation, or will the other  
> parties be included?
>
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:59 AM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> Thank you very much for your willingness to provide mediation  
> assistance with this situation.
>
> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for you  
> for a telephone call?
>
> Thanks again,
> Robin
>
> On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>
>
> Hi Robin
> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me,  
> bearing in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is  
> my 9 am which works well. I have some tentative commitments next  
> week, but apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon  
> or morning Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would  
> be best with several participants.
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of  
> the NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.   
> I agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this  
> situation.
>
> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning  
> are booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would  
> work for you please let me know.
>
> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this  
> negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair  
> will probably want to be on the call also.
>
> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>
> All best,
> Robin
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Robin,
>
> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would  
> be useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward  
> to reading the additional material and talking to you.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Chris LaHatte
> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the  
> NCPH Vice-Chair
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise  
> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online  
> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am  
> filing, but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain  
> situation that has stalled on its own.
>
> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse  
> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.   
> The understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)  
> is that we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group  
> (CSG) to rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual  
> basis between the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have  
> been unwilling to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you  
> in a separate email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests  
> to discuss the impasse and work out a solution any time soon.   
> Therefore, NCSG believes your mediation services would be extremely  
> helpful in moving this process forward and assisting the House in  
> its Vice-Chair selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you  
> think you could assist NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to  
> talk with you further about the details of the situation at your  
> earliest convenience.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Robin Gross
> NCSG Chair
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>
>
>




IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org



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From wendy  Fri Dec 14 15:53:09 2012
From: wendy (Wendy Seltzer)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:53:09 -0500
Subject: [PC-NCSG] FW: Request for mediation services regarding selection of
 the NCPH Vice-Chair
In-Reply-To: <8FE69C32-B9DF-41DE-8D99-8E5CCB7AF352@ipjustice.org>
References: <4B17B180-10E4-43AF-B8AC-7ADE858CD136@ipjustice.org>
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	<39297D6A-06FF-4F2B-9ECD-9C7F95AFBACF@ipjustice.org>
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	<7CDF25C3-804D-487E-B499-96DFE6A41604@ipjustice.org>
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	<8FE69C32-B9DF-41DE-8D99-8E5CCB7AF352@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <50CB2F45.3020900@seltzer.com>

Thanks Robin and gang,

Let me know if you'd like me to join the call.

--Wendy

On 12/13/2012 02:41 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Thanks, Chris.  It was my understanding that this initial call would be
> between your office and NCSG to understand the nature of the mediation
> request and background for context.  It might just be you, me and Avri
> on the line initially.
> 
> Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific)
> 
> Thank you,
> Robin
> 
> On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robin
>>
>> That is a good time-11 am New Zealand time, so I look forward to this.
>> Is this a call to set up the mediation, or will the other parties be
>> included?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>
>>
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as
>> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps
>> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those
>> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the
>> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise
>> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant
>> in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman
>> shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and
>> Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a
>> complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such
>> information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:59 AM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the
>> NCPH Vice-Chair
>>
>> Dear Chris:
>>
>> Thank you very much for your willingness to provide mediation
>> assistance with this situation.
>>
>> How would this Friday 14 December at 14:00 (Pacific) work for you for
>> a telephone call?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Robin
>> I am fairly flexible next week, afternoons would work for me, bearing
>> in mind I am a day ahead and 5 hours behind-so your 2 pm is my 9 am
>> which works well. I have some tentative commitments next week, but
>> apart from that, which I can work around, your afternoon or morning
>> Thursday Friday would work. A telephone conference would be best with
>> several participants.
>> Regards
>>
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>
>>
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as
>> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps
>> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those
>> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the
>> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise
>> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant
>> in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman
>> shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and
>> Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a
>> complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such
>> information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the
>> NCPH Vice-Chair
>>
>> Dear Chris,
>>
>> Thank you for your willingness to discuss this situation with us.  I
>> agree that a phone discussion would be a useful start on this situation.
>>
>> How about one day next week for a call?  Next Tues. & Wed. morning are
>> booked for me already, but if there are days / times that would work
>> for you please let me know.
>>
>> Several of us from the NCSG-PC who have participated in this
>> negotiation at various points including the previous NCSG Chair will
>> probably want to be on the call also.
>>
>> Thanks again for your assistance to mediate this situation.
>>
>> All best,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Chris LaHatte wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Robin,
>>
>> I would be happy to help in this. Perhaps a phone discussion would be
>> useful to start (I am on Skype at chris.lahatte). I look forward to
>> reading the additional material and talking to you.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Chris LaHatte
>> Ombudsman
>> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
>> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
>> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>>
>>
>> Confidentiality
>> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as
>> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps
>> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those
>> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the
>> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise
>> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a complainant
>> in order to further the resolution of the complaint.  The Ombudsman
>> shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure that if staff and
>> Board members are made aware of the existence and identity of a
>> complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential nature of such
>> information, except as necessary to further the resolution of a complaint
>>
>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:07 PM
>> To: Chris LaHatte
>> Cc: NCSG-Policy; Avri Doria
>> Subject: Request for mediation services regarding selection of the
>> NCPH Vice-Chair
>>
>> Dear Chris:
>>
>> I am writing on behalf of NCSG to request your mediation expertise
>> regarding an ICANN matter, however I didn't fill-out the online
>> complaint form, because it isn't really a complaint that I am filing,
>> but rather a request for mediation services of an uncertain situation
>> that has stalled on its own.
>>
>> Basically, the Non-Contracted Parties House (NCPH) is at an impasse
>> regarding the selection process for the Vice-Chair of the NCPH.  The
>> understanding of the Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) is that
>> we had an agreement with the Commercial Stakeholders Group (CSG) to
>> rotate the position of Vice-Chair nominee on an annual basis between
>> the two SG's in the House.  However, CSG leaders have been unwilling
>> to honor that agreement (which I will forward to you in a separate
>> email) and been unwilling to respond to our requests to discuss the
>> impasse and work out a solution any time soon.  Therefore, NCSG
>> believes your mediation services would be extremely helpful in moving
>> this process forward and assisting the House in its Vice-Chair
>> selection process in a timely fashion.   Do you think you could assist
>> NCPH in this way?  Of course we'd be glad to talk with you further
>> about the details of the situation at your earliest convenience. 
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robin Gross
>> NCSG Chair
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IP JUSTICE
>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
>> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> IP JUSTICE
> Robin Gross, Executive Director
> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
> p: +1-415-553-6261    f: +1-415-462-6451
> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project
http://wendy.seltzer.org/
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http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/



From robin  Fri Dec 14 20:50:47 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:50:47 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Telephone conference
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A944ACB9E21@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
Message-ID: <47264635-4140-4B03-AC8D-0956FB4CCFCF@ipjustice.org>

> Please find hereafter the details of your call for Friday 14  
> December at 2200 UTC
>
> 1400 PST, 1700 EST, 1100 NZDT (+1)
> http://tinyurl.com/cadxpt4
>
> The ADIGO passcode is 5913
>
> Toll free numbers may be found athttp://www.adigo.com/icann/

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
> Date: December 14, 2012 10:47:39 AM PST
> To: "Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org)" <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Subject: Telephone conference
>
> Hi Robin
> Here are the call details, so you can pass this to participants
> Regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
> From: Gisella Gruber
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:57 PM
> To: Heidi Ullrich; Chris LaHatte
> Cc: Gisella Gruber; Kim Carlson
> Subject: Call details - Call with NCPH Vice Chair
> Importance: High
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> Please find hereafter the details of your call for Friday 14  
> December at 2200 UTC
>
> 1400 PST, 1700 EST, 1100 NZDT (+1)
> http://tinyurl.com/cadxpt4
>
> The ADIGO passcode is 5913
>
> Toll free numbers may be found athttp://www.adigo.com/icann/.
>
> If a toll free number is unavailable for your area, please email me  
> directly.  We can assist with a dial out.
>
> An operator will be on the call to assist you as well.
>
> Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
>
> Thank you!
> Kind regards,
> Gisella
>
>
> From: Heidi Ullrich <Heidi.Ullrich at icann.org>
> Date: Friday, 14 December 2012 02:08
> To: Gisella Gruber <gisella.gruber at icann.org>
> Cc: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
> Subject: URGENT - GG - Assistance needed for call with NCPH Vice Chair
>
> Hi Gisella,
>
> Could you please work with Chris on setting up this call? I?ve let  
> Adigo know via Skype ? so they just need the details.
>
> Kind regards,
> Heidi
>
> From: Chris LaHatte
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: Heidi Ullrich
> Subject: NCPH Vice Chair
>
> Hi Heidi
>
> Can you please ask someone to arrange a call for me in relation to  
> a mediation I am planning over the appointment of the vice chair of  
> NCPH. The participants are about 4 in total, and the time is 11 am  
> tomorrow New Zealand time which is 14.00 Pacific time Friday. I  
> wasn?t sure who actually arranges these, but I am sure you know and  
> can pass this on
> Best regards
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>




IP JUSTICE
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1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From robin  Mon Dec 17 07:06:14 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:06:14 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] draft response on TMCH and strawman proposals
Message-ID: <26E60F75-3A64-4EA7-B3B1-4FE3DEB953CF@ipjustice.org>

Attached is the first draft of the NCSG statement on the TMCH  
discussions and strawman proposal.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions for improvements or  
additions.  I know the draft is still pretty rough and needs some  
fine-tuning, which I very much welcome.

I noticed ICANN has extended the deadline for initial public comment  
until 15 January.

NCSG's response on these issues is a topic for Tuesday's NCSG Open  
Policy Call, so I hope PC members will have time to read and provide  
feedback on the draft by then.

And I know the GNSO Council will discuss the issue in Thursday's GNSO  
Council meeting.

Thanks much,
Robin

?


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From robin  Tue Dec 18 22:50:05 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:50:05 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: [Soac-infoalert] 2013 Upcoming Public Comments List
References: <CCF6129C.8470%filiz.yilmaz@icann.org>
Message-ID: <B612134F-0D0D-44A7-9BE8-9F348B89C45D@ipjustice.org>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Filiz Yilmaz <filiz.yilmaz at icann.org>
> Date: December 18, 2012 3:31:24 AM PST
> To: "soac-infoalert at icann.org" <soac-infoalert at icann.org>
> Cc: Sally Costerton <sally.costerton at icann.org>
> Subject: [Soac-infoalert] 2013 Upcoming Public Comments List
>
>
> Dear Community Leaders,
>
> Following the process (attached) that is now in place since June  
> 2011 (based on the implementation of ATRT recommendation 21), it is  
> time to ask for your input for the 2013 Upcoming Public Comments  
> list to be published at:
> http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/upcoming-en.htm
>
> We are seeking your input about topics that your groups are  
> planning on originating a public comment period on at any time in  
> 2013 to populate the new list, if any.
> Publishing and maintenance of such a list helps raising early  
> awareness about the upcoming issues among the ICANN community.
>
> Please send these topics to Sally Costerton  
> <sally.costerton at icann.org>  until 31 January 2013, using template  
> attached.
>
> Following the process, after receiving your input, the list for  
> 2013 will be published in February 2013 and there will be another  
> call for updates on it after the meeting in Beijing.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Filiz Yilmaz
> Sr Dir Participation and Engagement
> ICANN
??_______________________________________________
> soac-infoalert mailing list
> soac-infoalert at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/soac-infoalert




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From robin  Wed Dec 19 03:47:21 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:47:21 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Vice Chair Position
References: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215A944ACBA2C7@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
Message-ID: <E7E1E5E6-A3A8-4208-A30F-CDB5866FF215@ipjustice.org>

fyi:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
> Date: December 18, 2012 5:01:12 PM PST
> To: "met at msk.com" <met at msk.com>, "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com"  
> <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "marilynscade at hotmail.com"  
> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org)" <robin at ipjustice.org>,  
> "Avri Doria (avri at acm.org)" <avri at acm.org>, "Wendy Seltzer  
> (wendy at seltzer.com)" <wendy at seltzer.com>
> Subject: Vice Chair Position
>
> Dear people
>
> I have been asked by the Policy Committee of the NCSG to discuss  
> the issue of nomination of the vice-chair from the non-contracted  
> parties house for the GNSO. I was specifically asked to see if I  
> could mediate a solution, rather than an ombudsman investigation,  
> because the NCSG values the working relationship, and does not want  
> a more formal approach. So my first query is whether you are happy  
> to mediate a solution to the issue, of why the turn for NCSG to put  
> forward Wendy Seltzer as the nominee, has not been accepted. As I  
> understand this, there has been an agreement, by an email exchange,  
> between NCSG and CSG, that the nomination for vice-chair would be  
> shared year and year about. However this has not been the case with  
> the current nomination from NCSG for Wendy. The first question is  
> whether this is just an oversight, or whether you do not agree that  
> she should be nominated. If the latter, then I am available to  
> mediate a solution, if that is the course which will resolve the  
> issue, and if you accept mediation, I can set this up.
>
> Can you please let me know your thoughts?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>




IP JUSTICE
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From avri  Wed Dec 19 21:44:13 2012
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:44:13 -0500
Subject: [PC-NCSG] on Consultation on the IANA Customer Service Complaint
	Resolution Process
Message-ID: <02BBAB39-E2C8-466C-BB11-680352B47992@acm.org>


Hi,

As announced on the discuss list, I submitted my comments.

http://forum.icann.org/lists/iana-complaint-resolution/msg00000.html

I would appreciate a review from the NCUC, NPOC and NCSG for support, amplification or correction.  
These can be submitted as Replies.

Reply Open:	19 December 2012
Reply Close:	9 January 2013


avri





From robin  Thu Dec 20 02:43:51 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:43:51 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Vice Chair Position
References: <SNT123-DS6C612AC62C2E4192CEE93D3300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DAA6CFF6-AAC3-4766-87B0-AB69096ECC3D@ipjustice.org>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Marilyn Cade " <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> Date: December 19, 2012 4:16:39 AM PST
> To: "Chris LaHatte " <chris.lahatte at icann.org>, "Steven Metalitz "  
> <met at msk.com>, "Tony Holmes " <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>
> Cc: "Robin Gross " <robin at ipjustice.org>, "Avri Doria "  
> <avri at acm.org>, "Wendy Seltzer " <wendy at seltzer.com>
> Subject: Re: Vice Chair Position
>
> Chris, I will confer w my fellow Chairs and we will be happy to  
> discuss a mediated response but need to catch up. I have been out  
> of the country extensively and just returning to a semblance of  
> normal work.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org>
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:01:12
> To: <met at msk.com>; <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>;  
> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> Cc: <robin at ipjustice.org>; <avri at acm.org>; <wendy at seltzer.com>
> Subject: Vice Chair Position
>
>
>
> Dear people
>
> I have been asked by the Policy Committee of the NCSG to discuss  
> the issue of nomination of the vice-chair from the non-contracted  
> parties house for the GNSO. I was specifically asked to see if I  
> could mediate a solution, rather than an ombudsman investigation,  
> because the NCSG values the working relationship, and does not want  
> a more formal approach. So my first query is whether you are happy  
> to mediate a solution to the issue, of why the turn for NCSG to put  
> forward Wendy Seltzer as the nominee, has not been accepted. As I  
> understand this, there has been an agreement, by an email exchange,  
> between NCSG and CSG, that the nomination for vice-chair would be  
> shared year and year about. However this has not been the case with  
> the current nomination from NCSG for Wendy. The first question is  
> whether this is just an oversight, or whether you do not agree that  
> she should be nominated. If the latter, then I am available to  
> mediate a solution, if that is the course which will resolve the  
> issue, and if you accept mediation, I can set this up.
>
> Can you please let me know your thoughts?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Chris LaHatte
> Ombudsman
> Blog  https://omblog.icann.org/
> Facebook http://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman
> Webpage http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman
>
>
> Confidentiality
> All matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be treated as  
> confidential.  The Ombudsman shall also take all reasonable steps  
> necessary to preserve the privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those  
> parties not involved in the complaint being investigated by the  
> Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries about, or advise  
> staff or Board members of the existence and identity of, a  
> complainant in order to further the resolution of the complaint.   
> The Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary to ensure  
> that if staff and Board members are made aware of the existence and  
> identity of a complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential  
> nature of such information, except as necessary to further the  
> resolution of a complaint
>
>




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1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA  94117  USA
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From robin  Sat Dec 22 00:09:07 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:09:07 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Vice Chair Position
References: <E5B4A2ED43DFAE4F9E710FA54FEF8F6206165CEE@LAEX02.MSK.local>
Message-ID: <E90F3A69-4548-4C19-8C8D-AF5BC49F2672@ipjustice.org>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>
> Date: December 21, 2012 1:05:18 PM PST
> To: 'Chris LaHatte' <chris.lahatte at icann.org>,  
> "tonyarholmes at btinternet.com" <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>,  
> "marilynscade at hotmail.com" <marilynscade at hotmail.com>, "'Rosette,  
> Kristina'" <krosette at cov.com>
> Cc: "Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org)" <robin at ipjustice.org>,  
> "Avri Doria (avri at acm.org)" <avri at acm.org>, "Wendy Seltzer  
> (wendy at seltzer.com)" <wendy at seltzer.com>
> Subject: RE: Vice Chair Position
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> I am responding to your message of Dec. 18 on behalf of the  
> Commercial Stakeholder Group executive committee.  I apologize for  
> the delay in responding due to the impending holiday season in the US.
>
> CSG would be pleased to have your assistance in mediating this  
> dispute.
>
> We believe the summary in your Dec. 18 message requires some  
> modification.  The ?turn and turn about? arrangement for nominating  
> the GNSO Vice Chair from the Non-Contracted Parties House was  
> reached at the end of 2010, and was explicitly made subject to a  
> review after one rotation, i.e., in the run-up to the selection of  
> a Vice Chair to begin service after the ICANN Annual Meeting in  
> October 2012.  This is all documented in the e-mail chain pasted  
> below.
>
> That review did not occur.  Instead, each SG nominated a  
> candidate.  The Commercial Stakeholder Group nominated Brian  
> Winterfeldt.  The Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group nominated Wendy  
> Seltzer.  No election has yet been held.  (Wolf-Ulrich Knoben has  
> graciously agreed to continue as Vice Chair on an interim basis  
> even though his term has formally expired.)
>
> Our preference is that an election now be held between these two  
> nominees, Brian and Wendy, to select the Vice Chair.  There would  
> be 13 voters in this election (the 6 GNSO councilors from CSG, the  
> 6 GNSO councilors from NCSG, and the Nom Comm assignee to the  
> NCPH), and a simple majority of 7 votes would be required for  
> election.  We think this would accurately reflect that the ?turn  
> and turn about? arrangement has expired after two turns.
>
> We appreciate that the agreement between the SGs in 2010 did not  
> address the circumstance in which the contemplated review of the  
> arrangement had not occurred.  We note that, if the arrangement  
> were to be extended for another cycle, NCSG would have the  
> preferential option to nominate a candidate this time, but that  
> candidate would not be elected unless he or she obtained  
> affirmative votes from 8 of the 13 electors.
>
> Finally, however the matter is resolved, we believe it would be  
> essential to schedule a call in which the candidate or candidates  
> would present their qualifications and plans to both stakeholder  
> groups (and to the Nom Comm assignee), and would respond to  
> questions,  prior to a vote.
>
> Thank you again for your offer to mediate.  Please let me know if  
> we can provide further information or views, or otherwise expedite  
> a fair resolution.
>
> Steve Metalitz, Vice President of IPC, on behalf of CSG Executive  
> Committee
>
> Cc:       Tony Holmes, ISPC chair
>
>             Kristina Rosette, IPC President
>
>             Marilyn Cade, BC chair
>
> E-mail correspondence re Vice Chair selection process
>
>
>
> From: Metalitz, Steven
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:14 AM
> To: 'Robin Gross'
> Cc: Tony Holmes; Marilyn Cade
> Subject: RE: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>
>
>
> Thanks Robin.  Per the agreement confirmed last January, we will  
> review the process prior to the next election.
>
>
>
> Steve Metalitz
>
>
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:49 AM
> To: Metalitz, Steven
> Cc: Tony Holmes; Marilyn Cade
> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>
> Thank you for getting back to me, Steve.    Since CSG would like to  
> stick to the yearly rotation, we will support Wolf for VC, and then  
> next year's VC will come from the NCSG, as we agreed.
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Robin,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your note.  We have considered this option but on  
> balance we would like to keep to the agreement struck last year.   
> Wolf is our CSG candidate and we think he should go through the  
> election process as agreed.  We believe he will do a good job for  
> all parts of our non-contracted party house.  I know he has reached  
> out to the non-commercial side and will continue to do so.  We also  
> think Mary, who is clearly an asset to the entire council, has much  
> to contribute in other important roles.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Steve Metalitz
>
> for the CSG Executive Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:21 AM
> To: Metalitz, Steven
> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>
> Hello Steve,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the email.  Given the dominance the contracted parties  
> have historically had in the GNSO, and the need for the NCPH to  
> help set the agenda in the GNSO, I'm sure you agree that it is most  
> important to both our SG's that we have a VC who will be an  
> effective advocate for the entire NCPH.  Considering the excellent  
> job Mary has done for the entire NCPH in this last year, would the  
> CSG be willing to consider allowing her to stand for a 2nd term VC?
>
>
>
> I should note that we would be equally willing to consider  
> supporting extending the term of a really good CSG councilor, in a  
> subsequent year.
>
>
>
> I think it is in both our SG's interest to have the best VC that  
> the NCPH can produce (from either SG), so I don't want us to get  
> too bogged down in CSG candidate v. NCSG candidate thinking.   
> Rather, let's think about what will best advance the interests of  
> the entire NCPH, and a 2nd-year VC, when we've got an excellent  
> advocate for both our SG's, will serve us both well (and the entire  
> GNSO Council).
>
>
>
> What do you think?  Can CSG consider Mary for a 2nd term?   Next  
> year we can return to the rotation and CSG can put forth a VC.
>
>
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Robin,
> At the time that our Non-Contracted Parties House last selected a  
> vice Chair of the GNSO Council, the NCSG proposed, and the CSG  
> agreed, that at the next election, the SG whose candidate did not  
> prevail would have the preferential option to nominate a candidate  
> for vice chair.  That nominee would undergo a vote (nominated  
> candidate v. none of above) and, if the candidate received 8 or  
> more votes, would be elected.  If not, then the same process as  
> used last time would be followed (nominations from both SGs, one or  
> more round of voting, etc.).  Please see below e-mail chain setting  
> forth this agreement.
>
> In accordance with this, on behalf of the CSG executive committee,  
> let me confirm that we have nominated Wolf-Ulrich Knoben as Vice  
> Chair.  May I suggest that you work with Marilyn Cade or Tony  
> Holmes, who are onsite in Dakar, to arrange either for a meeting  
> place, or for an e-mail ballot administered by the GNSO  
> secretariat, in order to conduct an election between Wolf and none  
> of the above before the GNSO council meeting on Wednesday.
>
> Thanks, and please let me know if any questions.
>
> Steve Metalitz
> For CSG Executive Committee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:42 AM
> To: Metalitz, Steven; Glen de Saint Gery
> Subject: Re: Council vice chair was RE: [] Updated GNSO Council  
> agenda for 13 January
>
> Hi,
>
> Just confirming there was no objection in the NCSG Policy committee  
> to the CSG caveat.
>
> Glen: Please proceed with the vote at your convenience.
>
> thanks
>
> a.
>
> On 30 Dec 2010, at 10:03, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Steve, thanks for the reply.  I do not expect there will be any  
> problem accepting the CSG caveat, just want to give the NCSG Policy  
> group a day to review it.
>
> >
> > Glen, I think planning on sending out the ballots on Monday, or  
> whenever works out for you after that, should be fine.
>
> >
> > I will get back to you both,  should there be any issue.
> >
> > Thanks to you both and wishes for a great 2011.
> >
> > a.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30 Dec 2010, at 09:35, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
> >
> >> Avri,
> >>
> >> The process you propose below now has the support of all of CSG,  
> with the caveat that we review the process after two iterations  
> (i.e., before the election for the term beginning after the last  
> ICANN meeting in 2012).
>
> >>
> >> By copy to Glen, and subject to Avri's confirmation on behalf of  
> NCSG, I ask her to distribute ballots to the 13 council  
> representatives from the CSG, NCSG, and NCA (Olga), to choose  
> between the following candidates for vice chair:
>
> >>
> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (CSG)
> >> Mary Wong (NCSG)
> >>
> >> I believe 7 calendar days would be an adequate time frame for  
> ballots to be returned to Glen.  If either candidate gets 8 votes,  
> then that candidate is the winner.  If not, the leader runs against  
> none of the above in a second round.   So if we do not have vice  
> chair in place by the time of the 1/13 council meeting, we will be  
> well on our way to doing so.
>
> >>
> >> Thanks to all for patience as we worked this through.
> >>
> >> And best wishes to all for a happy new year!
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:22 PM
> >> To: Metalitz, Steven; Olga Cavalli
> >> Subject: Fwd: [] Updated GNSO Council agenda for 13 January
> >>
> >> Hi,,
> >>
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >>> 9.1 Status of Vice Chair elections in the Non Contracted Party  
> House.
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Where are we at?
> >>
> >> I know we agreed that Olga serves interim, and I think that is  
> great.
> >>
> >> Is there any feedback on the NCSG suggestion that we just elect  
> following the general practice that was used for the Chair election?
>
> >>
> >> I repeat it below.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> a.
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:15 PM
> >>> To: Metalitz, Steven
> >>> Cc: Marilyn Cade; Olga Cavalli; Holmes Tony
> >>> Subject: Re: update from the CSG side about progression toward
> >>> election process for V.Chair/House
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> We certainly accept Olga remaining while we figure this out,  
> which I
> >>> hope is soon, really soon.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, our candidate is Mary.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to counter propose.
> >>>
> >>> We follow the GCOT defined process for the chair.  it is, in
> >>> diplomatic speak, agreed language and would allow us to be done  
> with it.
> >>>
> >>> That means
> >>>
> >>> 1 candidate from each SG
> >>>
> >>> a. need 8 votes to win
> >>> b. if no one gets 8, person in the lead runs against none of the
> >>> above
> >>>
> >>> - From now on, we alternate with the SG who did not pick the
> >>> successful candidate, picking the v-chair candidate.  They can  
> pick
> >>> the person who is currently in the v-chair (assuming they are  
> doing
> >>> a good job, and are really neutral), someone from their group, or
> >>> the NCA (don't assume they would pick someone from the other group
> >>> who wasn't already v-chair but they could)
> >>>
> >>> This person would still have to endure a vote:
> >>>
> >>> - chosen candidate vs. none of the above
> >>>
> >>> Takes 8 to win.
> >>>
> >>> I/we hate the idea of having to do this again, so I am hoping  
> we can
> >>> find a way to just finalize this and move on.  especially since we
> >>> have Olga filling the spot while we discuss this, the hurry  
> probably
> >>> isn't as great.
> >>>
> >>> We accept that this does not prejudice the Board seat election,
> >>> though must say that the NCSG generally accepts staying with
> >>> accepted language, i.e. the same process as is already accepted  
> for the chair.
> >>>
> >>> a.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> From: Chris LaHatte [mailto:chris.lahatte at icann.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:01 PM
> To: Metalitz, Steven; tonyarholmes at btinternet.com;  
> marilynscade at hotmail.com
> Cc: Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org); Avri Doria (avri at acm.org);  
> Wendy Seltzer (wendy at seltzer.com)
> Subject: Vice Chair Position
>
> Dear people
>
> I have been asked by the Policy Committee of the NCSG to discuss  
> the issue of nomination of the vice-chair from the non-contracted  
> parties house for the GNSO. I was specifically asked to see if I  
> could mediate a solution, rather than an ombudsman investigation,  
> because the NCSG values the working relationship, and does not want  
> a more formal approach. So my first query is whether you are happy  
> to mediate a solution to the issue, of why the turn for NCSG to put  
> forward Wendy Seltzer as the nominee, has not been accepted. As I  
> understand this, there has been an agreement, by an email exchange,  
> between NCSG and CSG, that the nomination for vice-chair would be  
> shared year and year about. However this has not been the case with  
> the current nomination from NCSG for Wendy. The first question is  
> whether this is just an oversight, or whether you do not agree that  
> she should be nominated. If the latter, then I am available to  
> mediate a solution, if that is the course which will resolve the  
> issue, and if you accept mediation, I can set this up.
>
> Can you please let me know your thoughts?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Chris LaHatte
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From robin  Sat Dec 22 02:49:05 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:49:05 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] IOC/RC
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Do we have a volunteer from NCSG's Policy Committee to take a first  
stab at drafting this statement about the council's inappropriate  
process on this matter?

Thanks,
Robin

On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:52 PM, William Drake wrote:

> I would support this.
>
> Seasons greetings,
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>
>> Perhaps NCSG should make an official public statement to express  
>> our concern regarding the mis-handling of this issue by the GNSO  
>> Council (and possibly staff due to their shepherding of the motion  
>> through regardless of proper process)?  I think we need to draw  
>> attention to these problems where councilors are creating such  
>> privileges for their own clients with their council votes and also  
>> resubmitting a rejected motion without dealing with the conflict  
>> of interest causing the problem in the first place.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>> On 20 Dec 2012, at 14:22, joy wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Thanks all for the comments. The matter was referred to the SCI  
>>>> today,
>>>> following the Council meeting.
>>>> Joy
>>>
>>>
>>> It may have been referred to the SCI,
>>> but that is a case too late.
>>>
>>> the motion that both staff and the chair wanted passed was rammed  
>>> through.
>>> in my opinion this was illegitimate.
>>> and should have waited on the recommendation of the SCI.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>
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>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org     e: robin at ipjustice.org
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From robin  Sun Dec 23 21:46:31 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:46:31 -0800
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Kathy Kleiman will attend intercessional mtg next month
Message-ID: <BFA84447-77B7-49C8-B226-7A41A2B83EB4@ipjustice.org>

Good news!  Kathy Kleiman is able to come to the LA intercessional  
meeting next month *and* ICANN has allocated one additional travel  
slot to NCSG for the mtg.  Presently, NCSG GNSO Councilor Joy  
Liddicoat was not planning to attend the LA intercessional meeting as  
she'll be on leave.  Only 5 of 8 NCSG-wide allocated travel slots are  
being used to send GNSO Councilors, so ICANN freeing up another  
travel slot for NCSG means NCSG can send someone in place of Joy's  
council travel allocation.  I propose that we send Kathy for this  
final NCSG-PC travel allocation.  There are proposals to discuss IP  
in LA, and the IPC is requesting to send more people so they can use  
the time to lobby the staff on their issues.  So I think its  
important we have IP law and policy expertise on the ground with us  
in LA.  Please let me know asap if anyone objects to this proposal to  
send Kathy in one of the NCSG-wide allocations for LA.

Thanks,
Robin


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From william.drake  Mon Dec 24 00:17:49 2012
From: william.drake (William Drake)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:17:49 -0600
Subject: [PC-NCSG] Kathy Kleiman will attend intercessional mtg next
	month
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Hi

Indeed, it has become clear that we are really going to need all the IP expertise we can muster in order to go toe to toe with what is shaping up to be a significant lobbying effort, so Kathy's knowledge of the recent IP meetings and beyond will be crucial.  While staff initially presented the LA meeting as being about facilitating NCPH engagement, and NCSG folks have accordingly approached this as a community/institution building activity, IPC and BC seem to be coming with a rather different mindset---this is really just the third in the series of extra-GNSO meetings for them to push their TMCH agenda, reopen agreed policies, etc.  NCSG is going to have to coordinate and strategize if we are to prevent this meeting from being turned into another step backward on IP, MS consensus processes, etc. and also salvage some space for us to pursue our own positive agenda on other fronts...

Happy holidays,

Bill



On Dec 23, 2012, at 13:46, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Good news!  Kathy Kleiman is able to come to the LA intercessional meeting next month *and* ICANN has allocated one additional travel slot to NCSG for the mtg.  Presently, NCSG GNSO Councilor Joy Liddicoat was not planning to attend the LA intercessional meeting as she'll be on leave.  Only 5 of 8 NCSG-wide allocated travel slots are being used to send GNSO Councilors, so ICANN freeing up another travel slot for NCSG means NCSG can send someone in place of Joy's council travel allocation.  I propose that we send Kathy for this final NCSG-PC travel allocation.  There are proposals to discuss IP in LA, and the IPC is requesting to send more people so they can use the time to lobby the staff on their issues.  So I think its important we have IP law and policy expertise on the ground with us in LA.  Please let me know asap if anyone objects to this proposal to send Kathy in one of the NCSG-wide allocations for LA.
> 
> Thanks,
> Robin
> 
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