From icann at ferdeline.com Mon Jul 1 15:42:09 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:42:09 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Next call of the Finance Committee Message-ID: Dear all, Please can you advise if you are available for a call of the Finance Committee on Monday, 8 July at 15:00 UTC? On the agenda would be our pending comment on the Financial Assumptions document, and our internal operating procedures. Thanks. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Mon Jul 1 16:00:30 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 13:00:30 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Next call of the Finance Committee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I have been advised off-list of an unavailability for Monday; would anyone be free to have the call this week? I am told anytime from now until Friday morning would work - I was thinking Thursday 4th at 1500 UTC? Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 1 July 2019 13:42, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear all, > > Please can you advise if you are available for a call of the Finance Committee on Monday, 8 July at 15:00 UTC? On the agenda would be our pending comment on the Financial Assumptions document, and our internal operating procedures. Thanks. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Mon Jul 1 17:25:39 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 14:25:39 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] First draft of our Internal Operating Procedures Message-ID: <-Vs6gXm15BrTDVtvbfdtK2Gbc3K0sRjzVhPGRjRYEjBOH87oE3A6M21HNsW3jO6DHg3s7xJP3w7K_4PmiIi1PnBhgtYdSNfyfqYv1HXTQss=@ferdeline.com> Dear all, I have prepared a first draft of our Internal Operating Procedures: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1211rl9kMfBFHfKnnkwwR6eUGW2Hcx-2UjXZug-g-xx8/edit?usp=sharing Please can you review these ahead of our next call, and comment/edit directly into the Google Doc. Thank you. Please note: anonymous edits may be rejected; please indicate your name in a comment if you are not logged into a Google account. Thanks! Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com Mon Jul 1 20:09:05 2019 From: rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rapha=C3=ABl_Beauregard=2DLacroix?=) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 13:09:05 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Next call of the Finance Committee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ayden, Won't be able to make it before 11th on my side. Best, On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:00 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been advised off-list of an unavailability for Monday; would anyone > be free to have the call this week? I am told anytime from now until Friday > morning would work - I was thinking Thursday 4th at 1500 UTC? > > Ayden > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 1 July 2019 13:42, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > > Dear all, > > Please can you advise if you are available for a call of the Finance > Committee on Monday, 8 July at 15:00 UTC? On the agenda would be our > pending comment on the Financial Assumptions document, and our internal > operating procedures. Thanks. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Mon Jul 1 22:03:07 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 19:03:07 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Next call of the Finance Committee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8TZOdhp699V6WnsiMQjvmcdi_a_rXdXtyMHZuSm35IBuBkbMmo8eqpUc4NA17lTou7bdPnj1F4QwAepUSIjlzq7og26a7R8JlNyg1m97h4U=@ferdeline.com> Thanks Raphael, I have received a few responses off-list, so it is looking like the best time for this call is this Thursday, 4th at 1500 UTC. I understand you will not be able to make this call, but we will not be making any decisions on this particular call, aside from possibly escalating documents to the Policy Committee or Executive Committee for their review. Unfortunately we have to move rather urgently as the Financial Assumptions comment will be closing soon. Best wishes, Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 1 July 2019 18:09, Rapha?l Beauregard-Lacroix wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > Won't be able to make it before 11th on my side. > > Best, > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:00 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have been advised off-list of an unavailability for Monday; would anyone be free to have the call this week? I am told anytime from now until Friday morning would work - I was thinking Thursday 4th at 1500 UTC? >> >> Ayden >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 1 July 2019 13:42, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Please can you advise if you are available for a call of the Finance Committee on Monday, 8 July at 15:00 UTC? On the agenda would be our pending comment on the Financial Assumptions document, and our internal operating procedures. Thanks. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Ayden F?rdeline >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/calendar Size: 9724 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org Tue Jul 2 16:57:33 2019 From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 13:57:33 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: NCSG Finance Committee Call on Thursday 04 July 2019 at 1500 UTC In-Reply-To: <27dd4c2a-8f6e-5abb-da9d-fd0987d1e3a3@lanfranco.net> References: , <27dd4c2a-8f6e-5abb-da9d-fd0987d1e3a3@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: <6704664E-D44E-4067-A467-9E0457301719@icann.org> Dear Sam, Please accept my apologies for this. My outlook calendar was not updating correctly since the time zone issues we had with outlook in Marrakech. Hence , the additional emails from me trying to correct it. ? Many thanks, Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777? On 2 Jul 2019, at 14:49, Sam Lanfranco > wrote: Maryam, This flurry of 4 emails with different "local" times for the Finance Committee Call is confusing. * 1500 UTC is 11 AM EDT where I reside (Ontario Canada). * The 0800 AM is PDT (where ICANN is headquartered) * The 0900 AM is in the US Midwest :-) My suggestion is to post the UTC and, in the email, move the Time Zones link: https://tinyurl.com/yy9zjnwj [tinyurl.com] up and closer to the UTC time. Don't put in any local times unless they have their time zones attached (e.g. 1100 EDT) Sam On 7/2/2019 5:58 AM, Maryam Bakoshi wrote: Maryam Bakoshi has invited you to NCSG Finance Committee Call on Thursday 04 July 2019 at 1500 UTC Title: NCSG Finance Committee Call on Thursday 04 July 2019 at 1500 UTC Location: https://icann.zoom.us/j/237663580 [icann.zoom.us] When: Thursday, July 4, 2019 8:00 AM ? 9:00 AM Organizer: Maryam Bakoshi Description: Dear all, Please find calendar invite for the NCSG Finance Committee Call on Thursday 04 July 2019 at 1500 UTC Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/237663580 [icann.zoom.us] Time Zones: https://tinyurl.com/yy9zjnwj [tinyurl.com] One tap mobile +441314601196,,237663580# United Kingdom +442030512874,,237663580# United Kingdom Dial by your location +44 131 460 1196 United Kingdom +44 203 051 2874 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5237 United Kingdom +44 203 966 3809 United Kingdom 0 800 031 5717 United Kingdom Toll-free +1 669 900 6833 US (San 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914 125 Chile Toll-free +1 345 769 1930 Cayman Islands +1 647 558 0588 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free 1800 201 503 Cambodia Toll-free +359 2 492 5688 Bulgaria +359 3 257 1633 Bulgaria 00 800 111 3251 Bulgaria Toll-free +55 11 4680 6788 Brazil +55 21 3958 7888 Brazil 0 800 878 3108 Brazil Toll-free 0 800 828 50 Bosnia and Herzegovina Toll-free 800 100 560 Bolivia Toll-free 866 237 6875 Bermuda Toll-free +32 2 290 9360 Belgium +32 2 588 4188 Belgium 0 800 267 88 Belgium Toll-free Meeting ID: 237 663 580 Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/adUojhAPmk [zoom.us] Attachments: Comment: Attendees: ICANN Policy Calendar NCSG Finance Committee Related Link: _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc [lists.ncsg.is] -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com [samlanfranco.blogspot.com] Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at lanfranco.net Mon Jul 1 16:45:35 2019 From: sam at lanfranco.net (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:45:35 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [new comment] Draft Financial Assumptions & Projections and Operating Initiatives for the development of Fiscal Years 2021-2025 Operating & Financial Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4293c0e0-390d-407a-a544-c1a2ec51def8@lanfranco.net> I am in full agreement on this proposal, including time lines. Sam L ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Jul. 1, 2019, 09:43, at 09:43, "Ayden F?rdeline" wrote: >Dear all, > >ICANN has opened a new public comment opportunity on the Financial >Assumptions embedded into the Fiscal Years 2021-2025 Operating & >Financial Plan. > >I would like to propose that the Finance Committee draft a response for >consideration by the NCSG Policy Committee. > >The comment closes on 5 August, but I suggest we prepare a first draft >by 8 July so that we can allow NCSG members two weeks to review our >work, and the Policy Committee a further two weeks. I will share a >draft on our mailing list in the coming week. > >https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-financial-projections-fy2021-2025-2019-06-14-en > >Kind regards, > >Ayden F?rdeline >_______________________________________________ >NCSG-FC mailing list >NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at lanfranco.net Tue Jul 2 18:39:33 2019 From: sam at lanfranco.net (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:39:33 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Suggested Revisions RE: Draft Financial Committee Procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Colleagues, I have reviewed Draft 1.0 of the proposed NCSG Financial Committee procedures as posted by Ayden in google docs at: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/15MRe6L9AkkS1e0y5LBzcLRxMfQt5Shi0RH7jIBKq8To/edit?usp=sharing > I am attaching (here) a Version with substantial revisions to make the procedures more forward looking and less reflective of problems that have arisen in the past, and in some cases to simplify the wording. None of my proposed revisions are intended to alter the main lines of Draft V1.0 There are so many suggested revisions that it has made more sense to submit a separate Version 1.1SL of the Draft Version 1.0 than to try marking up (mess up) the existing google docs draft. Internal comments and questions in my proposed revision are highlighted in RED. The simplest way to handle my suggested revisions is to first read Ayden's Draft Version 1.0 and then read my Revised Draft Version 1.1SL and note issues to be raised and discussed at the Thursday meeting. Regards, Sam -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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2 290 9360 Belgium > > +32 2 588 4188 Belgium > > 0 800 267 88 Belgium Toll-free > > Meeting ID: 237 663 580 > > Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/adUojhAPmk > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 4:59 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Zoom link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/237663580 > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Thu Jul 4 20:44:44 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 17:44:44 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Call in 2 minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Thato, No problem - no decisions were made on today's call, and I will be following up shortly on the mailing list with our agreed action items. Best wishes, Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Thursday, 4 July 2019 16:04, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > Apologies for the late response, I am on another important call, looking forward to recordings because I wont be able to attend this one. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 4:59 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Zoom link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/237663580 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Thu Jul 4 20:45:26 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 17:45:26 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [action item] Financial Assumptions comment Message-ID: Dear all, Thank you for joining our call today. Please take a few moments to review our draft comment on the Financial Assumptions embedded into the ICANN Org fiscal year 2021?2025 Operating & Financial Plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15MRe6L9AkkS1e0y5LBzcLRxMfQt5Shi0RH7jIBKq8To/edit Please can you review this as a matter of priority and suggest edits either directly in the Google Doc or on our list by Monday, 8 July 12:00 UTC. I will then share it with the NCSG Discuss list for further deliberation and member input. Best wishes, Ayden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Thu Jul 4 20:52:48 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 17:52:48 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict Message-ID: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Dear all, As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the implications of my decision. I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. Thanks. Best wishes, Ayden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We would be grateful if you could share with us any information you may have on services you have paid for before on behalf of the NCSG, including the name of the provider, the amount paid, the frequency of this payment, and who (if anyone) reimbursed you for this service (i.e. ICANN org, NCUC bank account, etc). If you happen to have any invoices, please can you send those to me off-list so I can help re-build our records. And if you haven't been reimbursed, or lost money on the reimbursement (because of currency conversion rates, etc.) please can you advise of this also... Thank you for your assistance. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline on behalf of the NCSG Finance Committee P.S. I have sent this email to you because I think there is a chance you may know the answer to this question, but please feel free to forward along to any other contacts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 21:13:33 2019 From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 14:13:33 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [information request] details on NCSG ongoing operating expenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Ayden I just shared the CIVICRM file with you where I had uploaded all the WAPIX invoices (until Dec 2018) which I paid, listed the expenses, as well as their reports, how we chose them etc. Raphael and Stephanie also have access to that folder. Best Farzaneh On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:07 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear all, > > I am sending this message on behalf of the NCSG Finance Committee. > > On our call today, we identified a need to better document all of the > NCSG's ongoing operating expenses, and we are working to create a public > ledger of our spending. > > We are in the process of reviewing mailing lists to understand what costs > the NCSG has incurred in the past, and may incur in the future, and hope to > be able to work with ICANN's finance department to possibly result in ICANN > paying vendors directly. > > We would be grateful if you could share with us any information you may > have on services you have paid for before on behalf of the NCSG, including > the name of the provider, the amount paid, the frequency of this payment, > and who (if anyone) reimbursed you for this service (i.e. ICANN org, NCUC > bank account, etc). If you happen to have any invoices, please can you send > those to me off-list so I can help re-build our records. > > And if you haven't been reimbursed, or lost money on the reimbursement > (because of currency conversion rates, etc.) please can you advise of this > also... > > Thank you for your assistance. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > on behalf of the NCSG Finance Committee > > *P.S. I have sent this email to you because I think there is a chance you > may know the answer to this question, but please feel free to forward along > to any other contacts.* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Thu Jul 4 21:19:26 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 18:19:26 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [information request] details on NCSG ongoing operating expenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for this information, Farzi. Ayden F?rdeline ??????? 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On Thursday, 4 July 2019 19:13, farzaneh badii wrote: > Hello Ayden > > I just shared the CIVICRM file with you where I had uploaded all the WAPIX invoices (until Dec 2018) which I paid, listed the expenses, as well as their reports, how we chose them etc. Raphael and Stephanie also have access to that folder. > > Best > Farzaneh > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:07 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I am sending this message on behalf of the NCSG Finance Committee. >> >> On our call today, we identified a need to better document all of the NCSG's ongoing operating expenses, and we are working to create a public ledger of our spending. >> >> We are in the process of reviewing mailing lists to understand what costs the NCSG has incurred in the past, and may incur in the future, and hope to be able to work with ICANN's finance department to possibly result in ICANN paying vendors directly. >> >> We would be grateful if you could share with us any information you may have on services you have paid for before on behalf of the NCSG, including the name of the provider, the amount paid, the frequency of this payment, and who (if anyone) reimbursed you for this service (i.e. ICANN org, NCUC bank account, etc). If you happen to have any invoices, please can you send those to me off-list so I can help re-build our records. >> >> And if you haven't been reimbursed, or lost money on the reimbursement (because of currency conversion rates, etc.) please can you advise of this also... >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> on behalf of the NCSG Finance Committee >> >> P.S. I have sent this email to you because I think there is a chance you may know the answer to this question, but please feel free to forward along to any other contacts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Jul. 4, 2019, 13:53, at 13:53, "Ayden F?rdeline" wrote: >Dear all, > >As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the >NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance >Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider >the implications of my decision. > >I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) >and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I >do intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the >sidelines. I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating >procedures and reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I >indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to >comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be >one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. > >I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias >that materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the >development of the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and >should not be my decision to make, so please do speak up if you >disagree with my assessment. Thanks. > >Best wishes, > >Ayden > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >NCSG-FC mailing list >NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 23:11:15 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 22:11:15 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] new draft of operating procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ayden, I have provided comments on this. Maybe the first question is why are we starting the FC OP from scratch as opposed to resolving or amending issues in the initial draft? Nonetheless, I think this document does not fully reflect section 2.6 of the NCSG charter in regard to the purpose of the FC. The FC should not be limited to leading and facilitating community comments on finacial but accounting, auditing, and financial management responsibilities need to be reflected, the *primary role of any finance committee is to provide financial oversight*, which includes budgeting, financial planning, financial reporting and putting in place internal controls above other responsibilities and fiduciary duties of finance committees. The FC should not be prohibited from attending ICANN meetings, whether supported by NCSG or ICANN resources. This draft keeps emphasising that the FC must not use the funds of NCSG by the FC outside transcription costs during online meeting, which is unfair IHMO, such statements make the document seem biased some how, opposing and limiting the scope, potential and effectiveness of the FC, which will in turn hamper accountability and transparency within NCSG. It is rather unfortunate that I missed today's call. Thato Mfikwe. : On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:54 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear all, > > I have revised our draft Operating Procedures based upon the discussion on > our call today. Please find them here: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NGJc-DjpC3o2AGHEaA6gF_c7t51_Me87-WJw1KXd6Eo/edit?usp=sharing > > Kind regards, > > Ayden > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Thu Jul 4 23:52:38 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 20:52:38 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] new draft of operating procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Thato, Thanks for your input, it is noted. Best wishes, Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Thursday, 4 July 2019 21:11, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > I have provided comments on this. > Maybe the first question is why are we starting the FC OP from scratch as opposed to resolving or amending issues in the initial draft? > > Nonetheless, I think this document does not fully reflect section 2.6 of the NCSG charter in regard to the purpose of the FC. The FC should not be limited to leading and facilitating community comments on finacial but accounting, auditing, and financial management responsibilities need to be reflected, the primary role of any finance committee is to provide financial oversight, which includes budgeting, financial planning, financial reporting and putting in place internal controls above other responsibilities and fiduciary duties of finance committees. > > The FC should not be prohibited from attending ICANN meetings, whether supported by NCSG or ICANN resources. This draft keeps emphasising that the FC must not use the funds of NCSG by the FC outside transcription costs during online meeting, which is unfair IHMO, such statements make the document seem biased some how, opposing and limiting the scope, potential and effectiveness of the FC, which will in turn hamper accountability and transparency within NCSG. > > It is rather unfortunate that I missed today's call. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > : > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:54 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I have revised our draft Operating Procedures based upon the discussion on our call today. Please find them here: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NGJc-DjpC3o2AGHEaA6gF_c7t51_Me87-WJw1KXd6Eo/edit?usp=sharing >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 01:28:54 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 00:28:54 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict In-Reply-To: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> References: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Hi Ayden, With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance. Now, Referring to your email: "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document" Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup. Thato Mfikwe. On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear all, > > As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC > effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, > it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the > implications of my decision. > > I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and > while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do > intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. > I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and > reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that > non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide > input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those > individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. > > I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that > materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of > the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my > decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. > Thanks. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Fri Jul 5 01:48:56 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 22:48:56 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict In-Reply-To: References: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Hello Thato, Ahead of the call today I advised the NCUC Chair of the need to launch a call for my replacement. I also acknowledged this on today?s call, noting that my resignation is effective 30 July 2019 (so in three weeks time). So I will remain here as Chair until the NCUC appoints someone else. I did not want to spring this on the NCUC with no notice. However, the business of the Committee must go on, so I will continue to work over the coming weeks to develop our Operating Procedures to make life easier for our next Chair. As to your second question/comment, I think there is a misunderstanding. I said on today?s call that input should be received from both members of the FC and non-members. For example, Thato ? you are no longer a member of the FC. But I still listen to your inputs :) That?s what I?m fighting for: broader participation. Best wishes, Ayden Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 19:28, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance. > > Now, Referring to your email: > > "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document" > > Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the implications of my decision. >> >> I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. >> >> I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. Thanks. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 03:49:24 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 02:49:24 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict In-Reply-To: References: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Ayden, I was not aware that I was not a member, I thought as an observer member and according to the charter states any observer member within the FC I can comment but not get involved in decision making or voting within the FC. Please carefully read the Charter, unless that section has changed, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 12:49 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Hello Thato, > > Ahead of the call today I advised the NCUC Chair of the need to launch a > call for my replacement. I also acknowledged this on today?s call, noting > that my resignation is effective 30 July 2019 (so in three weeks time). So > I will remain here as Chair until the NCUC appoints someone else. I did not > want to spring this on the NCUC with no notice. > > However, the business of the Committee must go on, so I will continue to > work over the coming weeks to develop our Operating Procedures to make life > easier for our next Chair. > > As to your second question/comment, I think there is a misunderstanding. I > said on today?s call that input should be received from both members of the > FC and non-members. For example, Thato ? you are no longer a member of the > FC. But I still listen to your inputs :) That?s what I?m fighting for: > broader participation. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 19:28, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > > Hi Ayden, > > With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no > longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent > any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members > into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC > must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance. > > Now, Referring to your email: > > "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to > comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one > of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document" > > Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than > lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting > and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving > issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the > other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a > collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are > operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC >> effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, >> it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the >> implications of my decision. >> >> I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and >> while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do >> intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. >> I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and >> reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that >> non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide >> input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those >> individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. >> >> I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that >> materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of >> the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my >> decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. >> Thanks. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Fri Jul 5 04:01:23 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 01:01:23 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict In-Reply-To: References: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Hi Thato, The charter differentiates between Members and Observers. However, I also welcome input and comments from non-members. Best wishes, Ayden On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 21:49, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Ayden, > > I was not aware that I was not a member, I thought as an observer member and according to the charter states any observer member within the FC I can comment but not get involved in decision making or voting within the FC. > > Please carefully read the Charter, unless that section has changed, thanks. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 12:49 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Hello Thato, >> >> Ahead of the call today I advised the NCUC Chair of the need to launch a call for my replacement. I also acknowledged this on today?s call, noting that my resignation is effective 30 July 2019 (so in three weeks time). So I will remain here as Chair until the NCUC appoints someone else. I did not want to spring this on the NCUC with no notice. >> >> However, the business of the Committee must go on, so I will continue to work over the coming weeks to develop our Operating Procedures to make life easier for our next Chair. >> >> As to your second question/comment, I think there is a misunderstanding. I said on today?s call that input should be received from both members of the FC and non-members. For example, Thato ? you are no longer a member of the FC. But I still listen to your inputs :) That?s what I?m fighting for: broader participation. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 19:28, Thato Mfikwe wrote: >> >>> Hi Ayden, >>> >>> With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance. >>> >>> Now, Referring to your email: >>> >>> "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document" >>> >>> Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup. >>> >>> Thato Mfikwe. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the implications of my decision. >>>> >>>> I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. >>>> >>>> I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Ayden >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 08:50:43 2019 From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 01:50:43 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Cloudflare for NCSG.is domain is not an option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Observer Interesting. seems like Iceland ccTLD manager has some interesting ideas about the privacy of domain name registrants too. https://www.isnic.is/en/news/view?id=505 Farzaneh On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:26 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > On our call today, I mentioned how migrating our NCSG.is domain to > Cloudflare Registry would offer us more safeguards to access our domain in > the unlikely event our current custodian of it became incapacitated. I have > investigated this further and discovered that, unfortunately, Cloudflare > Registrar does not currently support our ccTLD. It only supports gTLDs. So > this is not something we can avail of. > > Ayden F?rdeline > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 09:22:04 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 08:22:04 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict In-Reply-To: References: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Extract from the Charter below: 2.6.6. NCSG-??FC Observers ? Any observer to the NCSG-??FC will have *full participation rights* except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote. Let me know if I am misinterpreting this clause because according to this clause nothing prevents FC observer members from fully engaging, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:02 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Hi Thato, > > The charter differentiates between Members and Observers. However, I also > welcome input and comments from non-members. > > Best wishes, Ayden > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 21:49, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > > Ayden, > > I was not aware that I was not a member, I thought as an observer member > and according to the charter states any observer member within the FC I can > comment but not get involved in decision making or voting within the FC. > > Please carefully read the Charter, unless that section has changed, thanks. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 12:49 AM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: > >> Hello Thato, >> >> Ahead of the call today I advised the NCUC Chair of the need to launch a >> call for my replacement. I also acknowledged this on today?s call, noting >> that my resignation is effective 30 July 2019 (so in three weeks time). So >> I will remain here as Chair until the NCUC appoints someone else. I did not >> want to spring this on the NCUC with no notice. >> >> However, the business of the Committee must go on, so I will continue to >> work over the coming weeks to develop our Operating Procedures to make life >> easier for our next Chair. >> >> As to your second question/comment, I think there is a misunderstanding. >> I said on today?s call that input should be received from both members of >> the FC and non-members. For example, Thato ? you are no longer a member of >> the FC. But I still listen to your inputs :) That?s what I?m fighting for: >> broader participation. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 19:28, Thato Mfikwe wrote: >> >> Hi Ayden, >> >> With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no >> longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent >> any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members >> into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC >> must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance. >> >> Now, Referring to your email: >> >> "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to >> comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one >> of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document" >> >> Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than >> lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting >> and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving >> issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the >> other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a >> collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are >> operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup. >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden F?rdeline >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the >>> NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance >>> Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the >>> implications of my decision. >>> >>> I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) >>> and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do >>> intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. >>> I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and >>> reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that >>> non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide >>> input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those >>> individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. >>> >>> I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that >>> materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of >>> the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my >>> decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Ayden >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>> >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Fri Jul 5 13:06:20 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 10:06:20 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict In-Reply-To: References: <4HImqorminb9qrkx4cfmIP84rkDTdr4ono4Hse0ysRlhYxPSD2-Wd057elHfYrVuqFIOiIFgOtrckcPEfPnXceze2XZA18gZt5lmVmVECHQ=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Thato, I'm afraid I don't understand your point. You already have full participation rights. I have not attempted to change that. All I have tried to do, in the operating procedures, is to formalise this so that it is clearer that the Finance Committee has a mechanism for receiving input from non-members and non-observers. But to keep things factual, the charter when quoted in full and not selectively does differentiate between Members and Observers. An observer is also defined as someone appointed an observer by a constituency, not just someone who wants to audit the Finance Committee's activities. Our current list of Members and Observers is here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2019#Committees-811395002 Ayden F?rdeline ??????? Original Message ??????? On Friday, 5 July 2019 07:22, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Extract from the Charter below: > > 2.6.6. NCSG-??FC Observers > ? Any observer to the NCSG-??FC will have full participation rights except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote. > > Let me know if I am misinterpreting this clause because according to this clause nothing prevents FC observer members from fully engaging, thanks. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:02 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Hi Thato, >> >> The charter differentiates between Members and Observers. However, I also welcome input and comments from non-members. >> >> Best wishes, Ayden >> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 21:49, Thato Mfikwe wrote: >> >>> Ayden, >>> >>> I was not aware that I was not a member, I thought as an observer member and according to the charter states any observer member within the FC I can comment but not get involved in decision making or voting within the FC. >>> >>> Please carefully read the Charter, unless that section has changed, thanks. >>> >>> Thato Mfikwe. >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 12:49 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Thato, >>>> >>>> Ahead of the call today I advised the NCUC Chair of the need to launch a call for my replacement. I also acknowledged this on today?s call, noting that my resignation is effective 30 July 2019 (so in three weeks time). So I will remain here as Chair until the NCUC appoints someone else. I did not want to spring this on the NCUC with no notice. >>>> >>>> However, the business of the Committee must go on, so I will continue to work over the coming weeks to develop our Operating Procedures to make life easier for our next Chair. >>>> >>>> As to your second question/comment, I think there is a misunderstanding. I said on today?s call that input should be received from both members of the FC and non-members. For example, Thato ? you are no longer a member of the FC. But I still listen to your inputs :) That?s what I?m fighting for: broader participation. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Ayden >>>> >>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 19:28, Thato Mfikwe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ayden, >>>>> >>>>> With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance. >>>>> >>>>> Now, Referring to your email: >>>>> >>>>> "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document" >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup. >>>>> >>>>> Thato Mfikwe. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the implications of my decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ayden >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This could be a real disincentive for people to run for Chair of NCSG, as not everyone wants to give ICANN an interest free loan of 2308US$ for the duration of their chairing period.... So we need to specify a solution for this in the procedures somehow, as well as define our status for the purposes of the IRS and its W8Ben forms.... cheers SP On 2019-07-05 07:24, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: Dear all, I am going to share a link to the Google Doc where we are drafting our operating procedures on the NCSG-Discuss list. I will be clear with members that this is a work in progress, and could very well change. But at this early stage I think it is sensible to open up for further inputs for 14 days, which we can then consider on our next call on or around July 23. Best wishes, Ayden _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Initially, I am thinking we should develop the following procedures: > > * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG comment(s) on the annual Operating Plan and Budget for ICANN, PTI, and IANA > > * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG Additional Budget Requests > > * Procedure on development and submission of other statements that fall within the remit of the NCSG Finance Committee > > * Procedure for handling interventions on calls by non-members and non-observers > > * Procedure for requesting and/or accepting expert guidance on a given topic > > */I would also like to develop an ethics policy for Finance Committee > members. This effort would bake additional layers of transparency into > our work, for the benefit of all NCSG members, and give them > confidence we are acting in an ethical manner. /* > Please can you advise if you have any concerns regarding the nature of these possible procedures (and please note you can certainly raise concerns again once they?re drafted! we may draft one and realise it isn?t needed), or if there is anything which seems to be missing. > > We can then start to develop our first procedures this week, with a view to getting proposed procedures sent to the NCSG Executive Committee for its review and input by the end of the month. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The initial purpose for the development of the FC operational procedure, if not mistaken, was to develop a procedural document that will articulate and guide how the FC delivers its responsibilities as articulated in the charter, the new version seems to be missing that essence of being a reflection of section 2.6 in practice, which is also a basis upon which FC plans are developed and activites are properly mainstreamed within the community. Maybe more information on how the decision was reached to develop this new version would be insightful because it seems like we wasting time reinventing the wheel as opposed to reviewing, improving and amending the last FC OP draft that was developed in consultation with the community and FC members, before community comment and submission to the PC and EC for review and approval before year end if possible. Just a comment, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:24 PM Sam Lanfranco wrote: > Ayden, > > I may be in a minority here but I don't think we need an ethics policy for > the Financial Committee members. So long as we remain transparent and > consultative we will be judged by our actions. If we had an ethics policy > we would still be judged by our actions, and could not hide behind a pro > forma adherence to some ethics policy. This is not like being a lawyer, > where things like confidentiality and handling in-trust funds are involved. > It is more a matter of doing our assigned jobs well. > > For what it is worth.... > > Sam > On 6/28/2019 6:07 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > > Dear all, > > The time has come to begin work on developing our internal operating procedures. Initially, I am thinking we should develop the following procedures: > > * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG comment(s) on the annual Operating Plan and Budget for ICANN, PTI, and IANA > > * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG Additional Budget Requests > > * Procedure on development and submission of other statements that fall within the remit of the NCSG Finance Committee > > * Procedure for handling interventions on calls by non-members and non-observers > > * Procedure for requesting and/or accepting expert guidance on a given topic > *I would also like to develop an ethics policy for Finance Committee members. This effort would bake additional layers of transparency into our work, for the benefit of all NCSG members, and give them confidence we are acting in an ethical manner. > * > Please can you advise if you have any concerns regarding the nature of these possible procedures (and please note you can certainly raise concerns again once they?re drafted! we may draft one and realise it isn?t needed), or if there is anything which seems to be missing. > > We can then start to develop our first procedures this week, with a view to getting proposed procedures sent to the NCSG Executive Committee for its review and input by the end of the month. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing listNCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an > unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA > email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco > blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope this makes us more efficient, effective, and collaborative, because we are baking in the requirement to seek input and to work in the open. I hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Ayden F?rdeline ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 8 July 2019 14:42, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with you Sam on this, these proposed new procedures tend to be more prohibitive and preventative for FC members and other participants. However, procedures for public comments and for submission of ABRs are still paramount to guiding how the FC should engage stakeholders and the community. If there are perceived or real ethical issues within the FC then they need to be resolved, failing which will require remedial action, so far no ethical issues or complaints have been decided upon, if not brought forward to justify the development of such. > > The initial purpose for the development of the FC operational procedure, if not mistaken, was to develop a procedural document that will articulate and guide how the FC delivers its responsibilities as articulated in the charter, the new version seems to be missing that essence of being a reflection of section 2.6 in practice, which is also a basis upon which FC plans are developed and activites are properly mainstreamed within the community. > > Maybe more information on how the decision was reached to develop this new version would be insightful because it seems like we wasting time reinventing the wheel as opposed to reviewing, improving and amending the [last FC OP draft](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MhJH2sxV1r9g6rCRHkPG50mgUrXeDxnweVB2xZWJLWA/edit) that was developed in consultation with the community and FC members, before community comment and submission to the PC and EC for review and approval before year end if possible. Just a comment, thanks. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:24 PM Sam Lanfranco wrote: > >> Ayden, >> >> I may be in a minority here but I don't think we need an ethics policy for the Financial Committee members. So long as we remain transparent and consultative we will be judged by our actions. If we had an ethics policy we would still be judged by our actions, and could not hide behind a pro forma adherence to some ethics policy. This is not like being a lawyer, where things like confidentiality and handling in-trust funds are involved. It is more a matter of doing our assigned jobs well. >> >> For what it is worth.... >> >> Sam >> >> On 6/28/2019 6:07 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> The time has come to begin work on developing our internal operating procedures. Initially, I am thinking we should develop the following procedures: >>> >>> * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG comment(s) on the annual Operating Plan and Budget for ICANN, PTI, and IANA >>> >>> * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG Additional Budget Requests >>> >>> * Procedure on development and submission of other statements that fall within the remit of the NCSG Finance Committee >>> >>> * Procedure for handling interventions on calls by non-members and non-observers >>> >>> * Procedure for requesting and/or accepting expert guidance on a given topic >>> >>> I would also like to develop an ethics policy for Finance Committee members. This effort would bake additional layers of transparency into our work, for the benefit of all NCSG members, and give them confidence we are acting in an ethical manner. >>> >>> Please can you advise if you have any concerns regarding the nature of these possible procedures (and please note you can certainly raise concerns again once they?re drafted! we may draft one and realise it isn?t needed), or if there is anything which seems to be missing. >>> >>> We can then start to develop our first procedures this week, with a view to getting proposed procedures sent to the NCSG Executive Committee for its review and input by the end of the month. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Ayden >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>> >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------ >> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >> unjust state" -Confucius >> ??????????????????????? >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China >> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >> email: >> sam at lanfranco.net >> Skype: slanfranco >> blog: >> https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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An ethics policy would certainly not have the clearcut answer to a given concrete dilemma or fact pattern, but it would provide an agreed-upon guideline for those in authority to take the decision. Have a nice evening, On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:28 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Hi Thato, > > Thank you for your feedback. > > The objective for our procedures is to have ones which achieve specific > results. We want to submit comments on the budget, so we've proposed a > process for developing a comment on the budget. We want to submit ABRs, so > we will have a process for doing that. > > So I don't agree that these procedures are "prohibitive"; what they are is > prescriptive, so we have a clear process to follow so that the FC today and > in the future is clear on what it should be doing. I hope this makes us > more efficient, effective, and collaborative, because we are baking in the > requirement to seek input and to work in the open. > > I hope this is helpful. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden F?rdeline > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 8 July 2019 14:42, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > > Hi, > > I agree with you Sam on this, these proposed new procedures tend to be > more prohibitive and preventative for FC members and other participants. > However, *procedures for public comments and for submission of ABRs are > still paramount* to guiding how the FC should engage stakeholders and the > community. If there are perceived or real ethical issues within the FC then > they need to be resolved, failing which will require remedial action, so > far no ethical issues or complaints have been decided upon, if not brought > forward to justify the development of such. > > The initial purpose for the development of the FC operational procedure, > if not mistaken, was to develop a procedural document that will articulate > and guide how the FC delivers its responsibilities as articulated in the > charter, the new version seems to be missing that essence of being a > reflection of section 2.6 in practice, which is also a basis upon which FC > plans are developed and activites are properly mainstreamed within the > community. > > Maybe more information on how the decision was reached to develop this new > version would be insightful because it seems like we wasting time > reinventing the wheel as opposed to reviewing, improving and amending the last > FC OP draft > > that was developed in consultation with the community and FC members, > before community comment and submission to the PC and EC for review and > approval before year end if possible. Just a comment, thanks. > > > > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:24 PM Sam Lanfranco wrote: > >> Ayden, >> >> I may be in a minority here but I don't think we need an ethics policy >> for the Financial Committee members. So long as we remain transparent and >> consultative we will be judged by our actions. If we had an ethics policy >> we would still be judged by our actions, and could not hide behind a pro >> forma adherence to some ethics policy. This is not like being a lawyer, >> where things like confidentiality and handling in-trust funds are involved. >> It is more a matter of doing our assigned jobs well. >> >> For what it is worth.... >> >> Sam >> On 6/28/2019 6:07 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> The time has come to begin work on developing our internal operating procedures. Initially, I am thinking we should develop the following procedures: >> >> * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG comment(s) on the annual Operating Plan and Budget for ICANN, PTI, and IANA >> >> * Procedure on development and submission of NCSG Additional Budget Requests >> >> * Procedure on development and submission of other statements that fall within the remit of the NCSG Finance Committee >> >> * Procedure for handling interventions on calls by non-members and non-observers >> >> * Procedure for requesting and/or accepting expert guidance on a given topic >> *I would also like to develop an ethics policy for Finance Committee members. This effort would bake additional layers of transparency into our work, for the benefit of all NCSG members, and give them confidence we are acting in an ethical manner. >> * >> Please can you advise if you have any concerns regarding the nature of these possible procedures (and please note you can certainly raise concerns again once they?re drafted! we may draft one and realise it isn?t needed), or if there is anything which seems to be missing. >> >> We can then start to develop our first procedures this week, with a view to getting proposed procedures sent to the NCSG Executive Committee for its review and input by the end of the month. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing listNCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------ >> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >> unjust state" -Confucius >> ??????????????????????? >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Visiting Prof, Xi'an Jiaotong-Liverpool Univ, Suzhou, China >> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >> email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco >> blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. A very humble observer on this mailing list. Farzaneh On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear all, > > I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to > monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have > graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can > discuss further on our next call. Thanks. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Sat Jul 20 02:38:05 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 23:38:05 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Farzaneh, As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii wrote: > Dear Finance Committee, > > Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. > > Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. > > A very humble observer on this mailing list. > > Farzaneh > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sam Lanfranco, NPOC On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear Farzaneh, > > As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least > since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current > activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the > parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating > Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. > > I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the > Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this > month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as > defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input > of all those who take an interest in our work. > > Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so > we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii > > wrote: >> Dear Finance Committee, >> >> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not >> in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the >> money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" >> otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >> >> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do >> whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On >> its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide? his feedback.? >> But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not >> in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not >> the way to go. >> >> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >> >> >> >> Farzaneh >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline > > wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a >> taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that >> the funding we have graciously received to host this event is >> being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. >> Thanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Ayden On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., > > It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for expenditures. > > Sam Lanfranco, NPOC > > On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Dear Farzaneh, >> >> As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. >> >> I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. >> >> Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii wrote: >> >>> Dear Finance Committee, >>> >>> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >>> >>> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. >>> >>> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an > unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA > email: > sam at lanfranco.net > Skype: slanfranco > blog: > https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at lanfranco.net Sat Jul 20 07:46:43 2019 From: sam at lanfranco.net (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 00:46:43 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: <561f4d6b-7a71-7c2d-b01c-4288266bcb09@lanfranco.net> Ayden & FC colleagues, As we strive for transparency, as issues/incidents emerge it will always be appropriate for the Finance Committee "to act", but (and I accept comment here), such "acting" is reporting to the NCSG Executive Committee. At the same time I remind us that the transcripts/audio of our FC meetings is public and that we should exercise caution and integrity our discussions there. I will always caution against intemperate or speculative inferences, and for the FC to remain evidence based in its communications to the Executive Committee. Sam On 7/20/2019 12:25 AM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Thanks Sam, > > The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email below > suggests. > > We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an > important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that > stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. > > I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of > verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance > Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, which I am doing > as we speak, I will say no more. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco > wrote: >> >> Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., >> >> It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a >> Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend >> the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance >> Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary, >> through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure >> that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined >> within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax :-) >> ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and >> conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests >> that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for >> expenditures. >> >> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC >> >> On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> Dear Farzaneh, >>> >>> As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at >>> least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our >>> current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within >>> the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal >>> Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our >>> behaviour. >>> >>> I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what >>> the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on >>> this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this >>> committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do >>> value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. >>> >>> Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC >>> so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to >>> join us. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Ayden F?rdeline >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii >>> > wrote: >>>> Dear Finance Committee, >>>> >>>> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not >>>> in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the >>>> money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" >>>> otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >>>> >>>> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do >>>> whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. >>>> On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide? his >>>> feedback.? But bringing it to a committee that we have said over >>>> and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend >>>> the money is not the way to go. >>>> >>>> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Farzaneh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a >>>> taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that >>>> the funding we have graciously received to host this event is >>>> being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------ >> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >> unjust state" -Confucius >> ??????????????????????? >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >> email:sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco >> blog:https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 12:42:56 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:42:56 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: Hi Ayden and FC members, I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, furthermore, the EC makes the final decision. The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding, this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay activities of the FC as mentioned. The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the Charter. Thato Mfikwe. On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Thanks Sam, > > The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email below > suggests. > > We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an > important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that > stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. > > I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of > verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance > Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, which I am doing as we > speak, I will say no more. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > > Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., > > It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance > Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". > which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at > how money is spent and offering commentary, through the channels by which > it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good > use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways > (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of > reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way > suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for > expenditures. > > Sam Lanfranco, NPOC > On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > > Dear Farzaneh, > > As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least > since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current > activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of > our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a > Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. > > I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the > Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. > While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within > the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who > take an interest in our work. > > Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we > can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii > wrote: > > Dear Finance Committee, > > Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in > charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or > "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be > violating the charter. > > Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in > his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this > doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a > committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the > stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. > > A very humble observer on this mailing list. > > > > Farzaneh > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce >> to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have >> graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can >> discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing listNCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an > unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA > email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco > blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Sat Jul 20 19:37:37 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:37:37 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: <561f4d6b-7a71-7c2d-b01c-4288266bcb09@lanfranco.net> References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> <561f4d6b-7a71-7c2d-b01c-4288266bcb09@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: Thanks Sam, I believe we are on the same page here. Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 20 July 2019 05:46, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > Ayden & FC colleagues, > > As we strive for transparency, as issues/incidents emerge it will always be appropriate for the Finance Committee "to act", but (and I accept comment here), such "acting" is reporting to the NCSG Executive Committee. At the same time I remind us that the transcripts/audio of our FC meetings is public and that we should exercise caution and integrity our discussions there. I will always caution against intemperate or speculative inferences, and for the FC to remain evidence based in its communications to the Executive Committee. > > Sam > > On 7/20/2019 12:25 AM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Thanks Sam, >> >> The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email below suggests. >> >> We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. >> >> I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >> >>> Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., >>> >>> It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for expenditures. >>> >>> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC >>> >>> On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Farzaneh, >>>> >>>> As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. >>>> >>>> I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. >>>> >>>> Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Finance Committee, >>>>> >>>>> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >>>>> >>>>> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. >>>>> >>>>> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Farzaneh >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >>> unjust state" -Confucius >>> ??????????????????????? >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >>> email: >>> sam at lanfranco.net >>> Skype: slanfranco >>> blog: >>> https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >>> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an > unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA > email: > sam at lanfranco.net > Skype: slanfranco > blog: > https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Sat Jul 20 19:46:07 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:46:07 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: Hi Thato, I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide us on our activities; where we differ in opinion is on what those procedures should be. It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures either; that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the NCSG Executive Committee adopting a procedure on the organization of the Intersessional, so there is no confusion as to when members should be consulted and how this important resource is utilized. But that's a topic for another forum. We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday. Best wishes, Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden and FC members, > > I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, furthermore, the EC makes the final decision. > The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding, this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay activities of the FC as mentioned. > > The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the Charter. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Thanks Sam, >> >> The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email below suggests. >> >> We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. >> >> I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >> >>> Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., >>> >>> It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for expenditures. >>> >>> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC >>> >>> On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Farzaneh, >>>> >>>> As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. >>>> >>>> I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. >>>> >>>> Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Finance Committee, >>>>> >>>>> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >>>>> >>>>> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. >>>>> >>>>> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Farzaneh >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >>> unjust state" -Confucius >>> ??????????????????????? >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >>> email: >>> sam at lanfranco.net >>> Skype: slanfranco >>> blog: >>> https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >>> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at lanfranco.net Sat Jul 20 20:09:37 2019 From: sam at lanfranco.net (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:09:37 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: In my personal capacity as one who has participated in a couple of Intersessionals (one as a last minute substitute and at my own expense) I would like to share a personal reflection on my sense of a couple of the shortcomings of the manner in which they occurred, as seen through my eyes. This area is, of course, outside the remit of NCSG-FC so bear with my minor rant here. As I understood the mandate of the intersessional, it was to allow constituencies to work on areas of difference to expand the areas for consensus and compromise in the rest of our ICANN engagement. Some of that did, of course, take place but my sense (again a personal view) is that too much time was devoted to: (a) constituencies basically restating their positions from their engagement in the PDP's, and from the larger ICANN meetings, and (b) constituencies meeting on their own to deal with/conduct internal constituency business. It is my view that (b) conducting internal constituency business at ICANN meetings is also a bad use of time and resources, dealing with internal matters (e.g. Charter review) that should be handled between face-to-face meetings. Again, this is out of our FC mandate, others may disagree with me, and I will not belabor this any further. Sam L. On 7/20/2019 12:46 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Hi Thato, > > I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide us on our > activities; where we differ in opinion is on what those procedures > should be. > > It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures either; > that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the NCSG Executive > Committee adopting a procedure on the organization of the > Intersessional, so there is no confusion as to when members should be > consulted and how this important resource is utilized. But that's a > topic for another forum. > > We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday. > > Best wishes, > > Ayden > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe > wrote: > >> Hi Ayden and FC members, >> >> I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC >> should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the >> community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, >> furthermore, the EC makes the final decision. >> The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial >> activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent >> fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according >> to my understanding, this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational >> Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this >> responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting >> stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing >> the process will only frustrate and delay activities of the FC as >> mentioned. >> >> The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no >> Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just >> community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make >> it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the >> Charter. >> >> >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden F?rdeline > > wrote: >> >> Thanks Sam, >> >> The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email >> below suggests. >> >> We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is >> an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring >> that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. >> >> I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of >> verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the >> Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, >> which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco > > wrote: >>> >>> Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., >>> >>> It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a >>> Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should >>> spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the >>> Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering >>> commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist >>> NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". >>> "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient >>> ways (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) >>> the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest >>> assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is >>> about to go setting priorities for expenditures. >>> >>> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC >>> >>> On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>>> Dear Farzaneh, >>>> >>>> As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, >>>> at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware >>>> of our current activities. We have been taking great care to >>>> stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been >>>> developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical >>>> Conduct to guide our behaviour. >>>> >>>> I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about >>>> what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are >>>> working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer >>>> of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference >>>> below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest >>>> in our work. >>>> >>>> Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 >>>> UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the >>>> Ombudsman to join us. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Dear Finance Committee, >>>>> >>>>> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You >>>>> are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it >>>>> should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being >>>>> put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >>>>> >>>>> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do >>>>> whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be >>>>> held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide? >>>>> his feedback.? But bringing it to a committee that we have >>>>> said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder >>>>> how to spend the money is not the way to go. >>>>> >>>>> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Farzaneh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to >>>>> initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional >>>>> preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously >>>>> received to host this event is being put to good use. We >>>>> can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >>> unjust state" -Confucius >>> ??????????????????????? >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >>> email:sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco >>> blog:https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >>> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Sun Jul 21 01:36:21 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:36:21 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: Thanks Sam, That is perfect feedback to be channeled through the constituency/stakeholder group chairs as they begin the preparations for our next Intersessional. The role I saw for the Finance Committee was contained less to the substance of the Intersessional, and more to documenting the preparatory process and resulting outputs so that we have records - and results - to be able to include in our future Additional Budget Request(s) that we may/may not submit for a future Intersessional. This is a very important resource for the NCSG. And it's cost to ICANN is considerable. I personally consider it a high priority that we're harnessing it as best we can. We can debate what the role here may be of the Finance Committee, but what I will not relent on is NCSG members having some oversight and insights into how its preparations are going. Best wishes, Ayden F?rdeline ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 20 July 2019 18:09, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > In my personal capacity as one who has participated in a couple of Intersessionals (one as a last minute substitute and at my own expense) I would like to share a personal reflection on my sense of a couple of the shortcomings of the manner in which they occurred, as seen through my eyes. This area is, of course, outside the remit of NCSG-FC so bear with my minor rant here. > > As I understood the mandate of the intersessional, it was to allow constituencies to work on areas of difference to expand the areas for consensus and compromise in the rest of our ICANN engagement. Some of that did, of course, take place but my sense (again a personal view) is that too much time was devoted to: (a) constituencies basically restating their positions from their engagement in the PDP's, and from the larger ICANN meetings, and (b) constituencies meeting on their own to deal with/conduct internal constituency business. > > It is my view that (b) conducting internal constituency business at ICANN meetings is also a bad use of time and resources, dealing with internal matters (e.g. Charter review) that should be handled between face-to-face meetings. Again, this is out of our FC mandate, others may disagree with me, and I will not belabor this any further. > > Sam L. > > On 7/20/2019 12:46 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Hi Thato, >> >> I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide us on our activities; where we differ in opinion is on what those procedures should be. >> >> It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures either; that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the NCSG Executive Committee adopting a procedure on the organization of the Intersessional, so there is no confusion as to when members should be consulted and how this important resource is utilized. But that's a topic for another forum. >> >> We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ayden >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe [](mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com) wrote: >> >>> Hi Ayden and FC members, >>> >>> I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, furthermore, the EC makes the final decision. >>> The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding, this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay activities of the FC as mentioned. >>> >>> The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the Charter. >>> >>> Thato Mfikwe. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Sam, >>>> >>>> The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email below suggests. >>>> >>>> We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. >>>> >>>> I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Ayden >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco wrote: >>>> >>>>> Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., >>>>> >>>>> It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for expenditures. >>>>> >>>>> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC >>>>> >>>>> On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Farzaneh, >>>>>> >>>>>> As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Finance Committee, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A very humble observer on this mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Farzaneh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>>> >>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------ >>>>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an >>>>> unjust state" -Confucius >>>>> ??????????????????????? >>>>> ------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA >>>>> email: >>>>> sam at lanfranco.net >>>>> Skype: slanfranco >>>>> blog: >>>>> https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >>>>> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an > unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA > email: > sam at lanfranco.net > Skype: slanfranco > blog: > https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Mon Jul 22 17:15:14 2019 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:15:14 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Finance Committee Intersessional Taskforce In-Reply-To: References: <792b8cf3-bb6f-ca62-ee1e-d952ba9f9a69@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: <9dfc96cd-b612-03f5-1871-1af19287f1b8@mail.utoronto.ca> If I may, and agreeing that this is outside the mandate of the FC, I would like to comment on the intersessionals. Meetings are what you make of them, and some, particularly those between groups who are not natural allies, require a lot of preparation to be successful. I see one primary purpose of the intercessionals as being to foster a greater understanding of common interests among those other constituencies which whom we are yoked in the NCPH. Particularly in the light of the focus on the GDPR and all things whois that has taken place over the past few years, I see a need to work harder on that relationship, given the accumulation of friction points in all this work. This is important, given that we will be experiencing another GNSO review in the near future, and current NCSG members may be blissfully unaware of the 100 years war that has gone on over our representation on Council. When that review comes around, most of our seasoned members will be out of office. Just my two cents. I see very little support for the Intersessional, but I suspect that this may be partly due to the fact that it will be held in Los Angeles, not some more attractive destination like Marrakech or Paris. Stephanie On 2019-07-20 13:09, Sam Lanfranco wrote: In my personal capacity as one who has participated in a couple of Intersessionals (one as a last minute substitute and at my own expense) I would like to share a personal reflection on my sense of a couple of the shortcomings of the manner in which they occurred, as seen through my eyes. This area is, of course, outside the remit of NCSG-FC so bear with my minor rant here. As I understood the mandate of the intersessional, it was to allow constituencies to work on areas of difference to expand the areas for consensus and compromise in the rest of our ICANN engagement. Some of that did, of course, take place but my sense (again a personal view) is that too much time was devoted to: (a) constituencies basically restating their positions from their engagement in the PDP's, and from the larger ICANN meetings, and (b) constituencies meeting on their own to deal with/conduct internal constituency business. It is my view that (b) conducting internal constituency business at ICANN meetings is also a bad use of time and resources, dealing with internal matters (e.g. Charter review) that should be handled between face-to-face meetings. Again, this is out of our FC mandate, others may disagree with me, and I will not belabor this any further. Sam L. On 7/20/2019 12:46 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: Hi Thato, I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide us on our activities; where we differ in opinion is on what those procedures should be. It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures either; that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the NCSG Executive Committee adopting a procedure on the organization of the Intersessional, so there is no confusion as to when members should be consulted and how this important resource is utilized. But that's a topic for another forum. We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday. Best wishes, Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe wrote: Hi Ayden and FC members, I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, furthermore, the EC makes the final decision. The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding, this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay activities of the FC as mentioned. The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the Charter. Thato Mfikwe. On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: Thanks Sam, The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh?s email below suggests. We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it?s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. Best wishes, Ayden On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco > wrote: Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al., It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax :-) ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for expenditures. Sam Lanfranco, NPOC On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: Dear Farzaneh, As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee?s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii > wrote: Dear Finance Committee, Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will be violating the charter. Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. A very humble observer on this mailing list. Farzaneh On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: Dear all, I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call. Thanks. 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To date, no input has been received from NCSG members, but if that changes I'll let you know. After tomorrow's call, it is hoped we can leave this comment with the NCSG Policy Committee. In addition, please review our [proposed ethics policy.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C95bABHfIHzi1iO73c5rMH3qQTADM15OkX2OXZQyLew/edit?usp=sharing) I consider the adoption of this policy to be a high priority for the Finance Committee. It is my ambition to be able to share this document with the NCSG Executive Committee following tomorrow's call. Finally, please reflect on what role you would like to see the Finance Committee playing (if any) in NCPH Intersessional preparations. I will be proposing that we initiate a taskforce on this matter and I will share my thoughts on tomorrow's call. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has graciously accepted. We can discuss further tomorrow. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: > Dear NCUC, > > We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative to the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC representative and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his position for the remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. > > Therefore,this present call is open for applications until August 3rdand the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair until 6 August. > > In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection process will take into account the following characteristics: > > a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic accounting, and/or budgeting. > > b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. > > Additional general requirements > > - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). > > - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public comment efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) within ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach and NCUC events. > > [About the Finance Committee](https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2018) > > The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can also add observers to this committee in case there are more members interested in following the committee's work. > > If you are interested at the position, please send your application and SOI to chair at ncuc.organd copy maryam.bakoshi at icann.org > > [1] NCUC Operating Procedures > > https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf > > Best Regards, > -- > Bruna Martins dos Santos > NCUC Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 01:09:44 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:09:44 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fw: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Call for NCUC Appointee to the Finance Committee - Open until August 3rd In-Reply-To: <2iWPrCrjlrxwREC9sZRa5osgIfAu41vgncPF9h8ELJfrvoAldZZ3PSzfLy5yKGorbws68VElP5uJwRJlN3sMdhf83uE9C0Yg6jhRWMivwh8=@ferdeline.com> References: <2iWPrCrjlrxwREC9sZRa5osgIfAu41vgncPF9h8ELJfrvoAldZZ3PSzfLy5yKGorbws68VElP5uJwRJlN3sMdhf83uE9C0Yg6jhRWMivwh8=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Hi Ayden, Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? Thato Mfikwe. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Dear all, > > Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has shared on the > NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC appointee, and I will soon no > longer be an NCUC member (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a > call be issued for my replacement. > > In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to serve as > interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August 2019. He has > graciously accepted. > > We can discuss further tomorrow. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear NCUC, > > We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative to > the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC representative > and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from > the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his position for the > remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. > > Therefore, *this present call is open for applications until August 3rd* and > the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair until* > 6 August*. > > In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection > process will take into account the *following characteristics**:* > > a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic accounting, > and/or budgeting. > > b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of > financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing > processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. > > *Additional general requirements* > > - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). > > - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public comment > efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) within > ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach and > NCUC events. > > *About the Finance Committee* > > > The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC representative. > The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can also add > observers to this committee in case there are more members interested in > following the committee's work. > > *If you are interested at the position, please send your application and > SOI to **chair at ncuc.org* *and copy **maryam.bakoshi at icann.org > * > > [1] NCUC Operating Procedures > > https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC > -Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf > > > Best Regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > NCUC Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Tue Jul 23 01:32:47 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:32:47 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fw: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Call for NCUC Appointee to the Finance Committee - Open until August 3rd In-Reply-To: References: <2iWPrCrjlrxwREC9sZRa5osgIfAu41vgncPF9h8ELJfrvoAldZZ3PSzfLy5yKGorbws68VElP5uJwRJlN3sMdhf83uE9C0Yg6jhRWMivwh8=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Hi Thato, Our charter does not permit the NCSG Chair to serve as Finance Committee Chair. As the NCUC position will be unfilled come 1 August, that only leaves Sam as a Finance Committee member who is not NCSG Chair and thus can serve as Finance Committee Chair. Accordingly, I have asked if he would be willing to serve as interim Chair. Once the NCUC appoints a new member, there can be a discussion of the fully-formed Finance Committee as to how it will be led moving forward. The alternative is for me to write to the NCSG Executive Committee and to ask that the Finance Committee be suspended and to assign its duties to the Policy Committee until such time as the NCSG Executive Committee is satisfied it has a fuller membership. Best wishes, Ayden ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 22 July 2019 19:09, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has shared on the NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC appointee, and I will soon no longer be an NCUC member (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a call be issued for my replacement. >> >> In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to serve as interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August 2019. He has graciously accepted. >> >> We can discuss further tomorrow. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: >> >>> Dear NCUC, >>> >>> We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative to the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC representative and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his position for the remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. >>> >>> Therefore,this present call is open for applications until August 3rdand the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair until 6 August. >>> >>> In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection process will take into account the following characteristics: >>> >>> a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic accounting, and/or budgeting. >>> >>> b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. >>> >>> Additional general requirements >>> >>> - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). >>> >>> - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public comment efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) within ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach and NCUC events. >>> >>> [About the Finance Committee](https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2018) >>> >>> The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can also add observers to this committee in case there are more members interested in following the committee's work. >>> >>> If you are interested at the position, please send your application and SOI to chair at ncuc.org and copy maryam.bakoshi at icann.org >>> >>> [1] NCUC Operating Procedures >>> >>> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> -- >>> Bruna Martins dos Santos >>> NCUC Chair >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at lanfranco.net Tue Jul 23 04:31:42 2019 From: sam at lanfranco.net (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:31:42 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Community Special Budget Request Principles (FY19) In-Reply-To: <574d89bc864749909255e1ed6fadac8e@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG> References: <574d89bc864749909255e1ed6fadac8e@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG> Message-ID: <67d35024-f078-96c3-fe32-d98d315e98c4@lanfranco.net> Here is an ICANN document outlining Additional/Special Budget Request Principles. https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY19+Process+Overview?preview=/74584652/74584794/Community%20Special%20Budget%20Request%20Principles%20(FY19).pdf Sam L. From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 11:48:42 2019 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:48:42 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fw: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Call for NCUC Appointee to the Finance Committee - Open until August 3rd In-Reply-To: References: <2iWPrCrjlrxwREC9sZRa5osgIfAu41vgncPF9h8ELJfrvoAldZZ3PSzfLy5yKGorbws68VElP5uJwRJlN3sMdhf83uE9C0Yg6jhRWMivwh8=@ferdeline.com> Message-ID: Hi Ayden, I would like to take you to a section on the charter that talks to the election of FC members: "The FC Chair must be appointed by the 2/3 votes of the FC members" I thought this was supposed to be done in an open process like an FC webinar or mailing list, I do not think you have the power to appoint on your own regardless of who is eligible to stand for the FC leadership position unless this succession discussion took place in private without the knowledge of all FC members (members and observers). Also as the outgoing chair, you cannot suspend the FC just because you do not wish to continue serving as a Chair or representing NCUC, where do you get that? It seems like you are creating your own rules here because the only power for the Chair according to the charter is to fulfil the NCSG Treasury role. What actually guided your action, does the charter or any community or committee guidelines allow you to act in this fashion? You need to stop what you trying to do and wait for the NCUC chair to give direction or the FC committee to discuss the way forward in an open and inclusive manner as opposed to taking decisions by yourself. This could have been discussed in our meeting today before making taking such a decision. I also find this difficult to understand why other members do not see anything wrong with what is taking place right now or why they are keeping quiet when all these things are taking place, consistency is needed in the FC decision-making process to ensure fairness. I hope we will touch on this in our meeting later today. Thato Mfikwe. On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > Hi Thato, > > Our charter does not permit the NCSG Chair to serve as Finance Committee > Chair. As the NCUC position will be unfilled come 1 August, that only > leaves Sam as a Finance Committee member who is not NCSG Chair and thus can > serve as Finance Committee Chair. Accordingly, I have asked if he would be > willing to serve as interim Chair. Once the NCUC appoints a new member, > there can be a discussion of the fully-formed Finance Committee as to how > it will be led moving forward. > > The alternative is for me to write to the NCSG Executive Committee and to > ask that the Finance Committee be suspended and to assign its duties to the > Policy Committee until such time as the NCSG Executive Committee is > satisfied it has a fuller membership. > > Best wishes, Ayden > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 22 July 2019 19:09, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > > Hi Ayden, > > Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has shared on the >> NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC appointee, and I will soon no >> longer be an NCUC member (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a >> call be issued for my replacement. >> >> In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to serve as >> interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August 2019. He has >> graciously accepted. >> >> We can discuss further tomorrow. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear NCUC, >> >> We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative to >> the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC representative >> and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from >> the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his position for the >> remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. >> >> Therefore, *this present call is open for applications until August 3rd* and >> the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair until* >> 6 August*. >> >> In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection >> process will take into account the *following characteristics**:* >> >> a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic >> accounting, and/or budgeting. >> >> b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of >> financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing >> processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. >> >> *Additional general requirements* >> >> - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). >> >> - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public >> comment efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) >> within ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach >> and NCUC events. >> >> *About the Finance Committee* >> >> >> The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC >> representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can >> also add observers to this committee in case there are more members >> interested in following the committee's work. >> >> *If you are interested at the position, please send your application and >> SOI to **chair at ncuc.org* * and copy >> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org * >> >> [1] NCUC Operating Procedures >> >> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC >> -Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf >> >> >> Best Regards, >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> NCUC Chair >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As soon as NCUC appoints its member, there can be a vote for the FC Chair and I can cease being interim Chair. /What is it that I do not understand about your position with regard to due process around the appointment of the next FC Chair?/ Sam L. On 7/23/2019 4:48 AM, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > I would like to take you to a section on the charter that talks to the > election of FC members: > "The FC Chair must be appointed by the 2/3 votes of the FC members" > > I thought this was supposed to be done in an open process like an FC > webinar or mailing list, I do not think you have the power to appoint > on your own regardless of who is eligible to stand for the FC > leadership position unless this succession discussion took place in > private without the knowledge of all FC members (members and observers). > > Also as the outgoing chair, you cannot suspend the FC just because you > do not wish to continue serving as a Chair or representing NCUC, where > do you get that? It seems like you are creating your own rules here > because the only power for the Chair according to the charter is to > fulfil the NCSG Treasury role. What actually guided your action, does > the charter or any community or committee guidelines allow you to act > in this fashion? > > You need to stop what you trying to do and wait for the NCUC chair to > give direction or the FC committee to discuss the way forward in an > open and inclusive manner as opposed to taking decisions by yourself. > This could have been discussed in our meeting today before making > taking such a decision. > > I also find this difficult to understand why other members do not see > anything wrong with what is taking place right now or why they are > keeping quiet when all these things are taking place, consistency is > needed in the FC decision-making process to ensure fairness. I hope we > will touch on this in our meeting later today. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: > > Hi Thato, > > Our charter does not permit the NCSG Chair to serve as Finance > Committee Chair. As the NCUC position will be unfilled come 1 > August, that only leaves Sam as a Finance Committee member who is > not NCSG Chair and thus can serve as Finance Committee Chair. > Accordingly, I have asked if he would be willing to serve as > interim Chair. Once the NCUC appoints a new member, there can be a > discussion of the fully-formed Finance Committee as to how it will > be led moving forward. > > The alternative is for me to write to the NCSG Executive Committee > and to ask that the Finance Committee be suspended and to assign > its duties to the Policy Committee until such time as the NCSG > Executive Committee is satisfied it has a fuller membership. > > Best wishes, Ayden > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 22 July 2019 19:09, Thato Mfikwe > wrote: > >> Hi Ayden, >> >> Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline >> > wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has >> shared on the NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC >> appointee, and I will soon no longer be an NCUC member >> (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a call be >> issued for my replacement. >> >> In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to >> serve as interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August >> 2019. He has graciously accepted. >> >> We can discuss further tomorrow. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Ayden F?rdeline >> >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos >> > wrote: >> >>> Dear NCUC, >>> >>> We would like to invite applications for Constituency >>> representative to the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is >>> currently the NCUC representative and Finance Committee >>> Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from the >>> position.?Therefore, the appointment would fill his position >>> for the remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. >>> >>> Therefore,*this present call is open for applications until >>> August 3rd*and the the EC will deliberate with the advice of >>> the NCSG Chair until*6?August*. >>> >>> In accordance with our NCUC?Operating Procedures [1], the >>> selection process will take into account the *following >>> characteristics**:* >>> >>> a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, >>> forensic accounting, and/or budgeting. >>> >>> b. Candidates should also highlight their practical >>> understanding of financial accounts, risk management, and >>> understanding of auditing processes, as well as any >>> experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. >>> >>> *Additional general requirements* >>> >>> - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest >>> (SoI). >>> >>> - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in >>> public comment efforts, and be an active member in one or >>> more Working Groups (WG) within ICANN or generally been >>> contributing by being involved with outreach and NCUC events. >>> >>> *About the Finance Committee* >>> >>> >>> The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one >>> NPOC representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam >>> Lanfranco.? NCUC can also add observers to this committee in >>> case there are more members interested in following the >>> committee's work. >>> >>> >>> *If you are interested at the position, please send your >>> application and SOI to **chair at ncuc.org* >>> *and copy maryam.bakoshi at icann.org >>> * >>> >>> >>> [1] NCUC Operating Procedures >>> >>> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> -- >>> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* >>> NCUC Chair >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Ayden On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 05:48, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi Ayden, > > I would like to take you to a section on the charter that talks to the election of FC members: > "The FC Chair must be appointed by the 2/3 votes of the FC members" > > I thought this was supposed to be done in an open process like an FC webinar or mailing list, I do not think you have the power to appoint on your own regardless of who is eligible to stand for the FC leadership position unless this succession discussion took place in private without the knowledge of all FC members (members and observers). > > Also as the outgoing chair, you cannot suspend the FC just because you do not wish to continue serving as a Chair or representing NCUC, where do you get that? It seems like you are creating your own rules here because the only power for the Chair according to the charter is to fulfil the NCSG Treasury role. What actually guided your action, does the charter or any community or committee guidelines allow you to act in this fashion? > > You need to stop what you trying to do and wait for the NCUC chair to give direction or the FC committee to discuss the way forward in an open and inclusive manner as opposed to taking decisions by yourself. This could have been discussed in our meeting today before making taking such a decision. > > I also find this difficult to understand why other members do not see anything wrong with what is taking place right now or why they are keeping quiet when all these things are taking place, consistency is needed in the FC decision-making process to ensure fairness. I hope we will touch on this in our meeting later today. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Hi Thato, >> >> Our charter does not permit the NCSG Chair to serve as Finance Committee Chair. As the NCUC position will be unfilled come 1 August, that only leaves Sam as a Finance Committee member who is not NCSG Chair and thus can serve as Finance Committee Chair. Accordingly, I have asked if he would be willing to serve as interim Chair. Once the NCUC appoints a new member, there can be a discussion of the fully-formed Finance Committee as to how it will be led moving forward. >> >> The alternative is for me to write to the NCSG Executive Committee and to ask that the Finance Committee be suspended and to assign its duties to the Policy Committee until such time as the NCSG Executive Committee is satisfied it has a fuller membership. >> >> Best wishes, Ayden >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 July 2019 19:09, Thato Mfikwe wrote: >> >>> Hi Ayden, >>> >>> Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? >>> >>> Thato Mfikwe. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has shared on the NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC appointee, and I will soon no longer be an NCUC member (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a call be issued for my replacement. >>>> >>>> In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to serve as interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August 2019. He has graciously accepted. >>>> >>>> We can discuss further tomorrow. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> >>>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>>> On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear NCUC, >>>>> >>>>> We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative to the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC representative and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his position for the remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore,this present call is open for applications until August 3rdand the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair until 6 August. >>>>> >>>>> In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection process will take into account the following characteristics: >>>>> >>>>> a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic accounting, and/or budgeting. >>>>> >>>>> b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. >>>>> >>>>> Additional general requirements >>>>> >>>>> - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). >>>>> >>>>> - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public comment efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) within ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach and NCUC events. >>>>> >>>>> [About the Finance Committee](https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2018) >>>>> >>>>> The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can also add observers to this committee in case there are more members interested in following the committee's work. >>>>> >>>>> If you are interested at the position, please send your application and SOI to chair at ncuc.org and copy maryam.bakoshi at icann.org >>>>> >>>>> [1] NCUC Operating Procedures >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> -- >>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos >>>>> NCUC Chair >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While we wait, it would be great for either Sam, Ayden, Thato and also Remmy to maybe share a little bit about their experiences at the FC. Maybe by sharing such impressions we can help any member who's in doubt about applying for the committee. Best Regards, Bruna Santos NCUC Chair Le mar. 23 juil. 2019 ? 09:34, Ayden F?rdeline a ?crit : > Hi Thato, > > The text you have quoted refers to the appointment of a permanent chair, > not an interim chair. An interim chair can be appointed in circumstances > such as this one, i.e. where the permanent chair has resigned. > > I have not sought to appoint a permanent chair. > > I have done my best to operate in an open and transparent manner. I?m > sorry you feel otherwise. You are welcome to escalate your complaint if you > wish. > > Regards, > > Ayden > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 05:48, Thato Mfikwe wrote: > > Hi Ayden, > > I would like to take you to a section on the charter that talks to the > election of FC members: > "The FC Chair must be appointed by the 2/3 votes of the FC members" > > I thought this was supposed to be done in an open process like an FC > webinar or mailing list, I do not think you have the power to appoint on > your own regardless of who is eligible to stand for the FC leadership > position unless this succession discussion took place in private without > the knowledge of all FC members (members and observers). > > Also as the outgoing chair, you cannot suspend the FC just because you do > not wish to continue serving as a Chair or representing NCUC, where do you > get that? It seems like you are creating your own rules here because the > only power for the Chair according to the charter is to fulfil the NCSG > Treasury role. What actually guided your action, does the charter or any > community or committee guidelines allow you to act in this fashion? > > You need to stop what you trying to do and wait for the NCUC chair to give > direction or the FC committee to discuss the way forward in an open and > inclusive manner as opposed to taking decisions by yourself. This could > have been discussed in our meeting today before making taking such a > decision. > > I also find this difficult to understand why other members do not see > anything wrong with what is taking place right now or why they are keeping > quiet when all these things are taking place, consistency is needed in the > FC decision-making process to ensure fairness. I hope we will touch on this > in our meeting later today. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Ayden F?rdeline > wrote: > >> Hi Thato, >> >> Our charter does not permit the NCSG Chair to serve as Finance Committee >> Chair. As the NCUC position will be unfilled come 1 August, that only >> leaves Sam as a Finance Committee member who is not NCSG Chair and thus can >> serve as Finance Committee Chair. Accordingly, I have asked if he would be >> willing to serve as interim Chair. Once the NCUC appoints a new member, >> there can be a discussion of the fully-formed Finance Committee as to how >> it will be led moving forward. >> >> The alternative is for me to write to the NCSG Executive Committee and to >> ask that the Finance Committee be suspended and to assign its duties to the >> Policy Committee until such time as the NCSG Executive Committee is >> satisfied it has a fuller membership. >> >> Best wishes, Ayden >> >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 July 2019 19:09, Thato Mfikwe >> wrote: >> >> Hi Ayden, >> >> Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has shared on the >>> NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC appointee, and I will soon no >>> longer be an NCUC member (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a >>> call be issued for my replacement. >>> >>> In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to serve as >>> interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August 2019. He has >>> graciously accepted. >>> >>> We can discuss further tomorrow. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Ayden F?rdeline >>> >>> >>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>> On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dear NCUC, >>> >>> We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative to >>> the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC representative >>> and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - stepping away from >>> the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his position for the >>> remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. >>> >>> Therefore, *this present call is open for applications until August 3rd* and >>> the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair until* >>> 6 August*. >>> >>> In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection >>> process will take into account the *following characteristics**:* >>> >>> a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic >>> accounting, and/or budgeting. >>> >>> b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of >>> financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing >>> processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. >>> >>> *Additional general requirements* >>> >>> - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). >>> >>> - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public >>> comment efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) >>> within ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach >>> and NCUC events. >>> >>> *About the Finance Committee* >>> >>> >>> The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC >>> representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can >>> also add observers to this committee in case there are more members >>> interested in following the committee's work. >>> >>> *If you are interested at the position, please send your application and >>> SOI to **chair at ncuc.org* * and copy >>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org * >>> >>> [1] NCUC Operating Procedures >>> >>> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC >>> -Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> -- >>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> NCUC Chair >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NCUC already has a process going on for > selecting a new appointee to the Finance Committee and, as we dont know the > outcome of the call yet or the applications received, I would suggest for > us to wait a bit. > > While we wait, it would be great for either Sam, Ayden, Thato and also > Remmy to maybe share a little bit about their experiences at the FC. Maybe > by sharing such impressions we can help any member who's in doubt about > applying for the committee. > > Best Regards, > > Bruna Santos > NCUC Chair > > Le mar. 23 juil. 2019 ? 09:34, Ayden F?rdeline a > ?crit : > >> Hi Thato, >> >> The text you have quoted refers to the appointment of a permanent chair, >> not an interim chair. An interim chair can be appointed in circumstances >> such as this one, i.e. where the permanent chair has resigned. >> >> I have not sought to appoint a permanent chair. >> >> I have done my best to operate in an open and transparent manner. I?m >> sorry you feel otherwise. You are welcome to escalate your complaint if you >> wish. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ayden >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 05:48, Thato Mfikwe >> wrote: >> >> Hi Ayden, >> >> I would like to take you to a section on the charter that talks to the >> election of FC members: >> "The FC Chair must be appointed by the 2/3 votes of the FC members" >> >> I thought this was supposed to be done in an open process like an FC >> webinar or mailing list, I do not think you have the power to appoint on >> your own regardless of who is eligible to stand for the FC leadership >> position unless this succession discussion took place in private without >> the knowledge of all FC members (members and observers). >> >> Also as the outgoing chair, you cannot suspend the FC just because you do >> not wish to continue serving as a Chair or representing NCUC, where do you >> get that? It seems like you are creating your own rules here because the >> only power for the Chair according to the charter is to fulfil the NCSG >> Treasury role. What actually guided your action, does the charter or any >> community or committee guidelines allow you to act in this fashion? >> >> You need to stop what you trying to do and wait for the NCUC chair to >> give direction or the FC committee to discuss the way forward in an open >> and inclusive manner as opposed to taking decisions by yourself. This could >> have been discussed in our meeting today before making taking such a >> decision. >> >> I also find this difficult to understand why other members do not see >> anything wrong with what is taking place right now or why they are keeping >> quiet when all these things are taking place, consistency is needed in the >> FC decision-making process to ensure fairness. I hope we will touch on this >> in our meeting later today. >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Ayden F?rdeline >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Thato, >>> >>> Our charter does not permit the NCSG Chair to serve as Finance Committee >>> Chair. As the NCUC position will be unfilled come 1 August, that only >>> leaves Sam as a Finance Committee member who is not NCSG Chair and thus can >>> serve as Finance Committee Chair. Accordingly, I have asked if he would be >>> willing to serve as interim Chair. Once the NCUC appoints a new member, >>> there can be a discussion of the fully-formed Finance Committee as to how >>> it will be led moving forward. >>> >>> The alternative is for me to write to the NCSG Executive Committee and >>> to ask that the Finance Committee be suspended and to assign its duties to >>> the Policy Committee until such time as the NCSG Executive Committee is >>> satisfied it has a fuller membership. >>> >>> Best wishes, Ayden >>> >>> >>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>> On Monday, 22 July 2019 19:09, Thato Mfikwe >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ayden, >>> >>> Is the appointment you making inline with the constitution? >>> >>> Thato Mfikwe. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:25 PM Ayden F?rdeline >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Please find below the announcement that the NCUC Chair has shared on >>>> the NCUC mailing list today. As I am an NCUC appointee, and I will soon no >>>> longer be an NCUC member (effective 30 July), it is appropriate now that a >>>> call be issued for my replacement. >>>> >>>> In the interim, I have asked Sam if he would be prepared to serve as >>>> interim chair of the Finance Committee from 1 August 2019. He has >>>> graciously accepted. >>>> >>>> We can discuss further tomorrow. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ayden F?rdeline >>>> >>>> >>>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>>> On Monday, 22 July 2019 10:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear NCUC, >>>> >>>> We would like to invite applications for Constituency representative >>>> to the NCSG Finance Committee. Ayden is currently the NCUC >>>> representative and Finance Committee Chair, but is - unfortunately - >>>> stepping away from the position. Therefore, the appointment would fill his >>>> position for the remainder of the year, ending at ICANN67. >>>> >>>> Therefore, *this present call is open for applications until August >>>> 3rd* and the the EC will deliberate with the advice of the NCSG Chair >>>> until* 6 August*. >>>> >>>> In accordance with our NCUC Operating Procedures [1], the selection >>>> process will take into account the *following characteristics**:* >>>> >>>> a. Has a depth of expertise in financial management, forensic >>>> accounting, and/or budgeting. >>>> >>>> b. Candidates should also highlight their practical understanding of >>>> financial accounts, risk management, and understanding of auditing >>>> processes, as well as any experience with grant seeking and/or fundraising. >>>> >>>> *Additional general requirements* >>>> >>>> - The candidate must submit an updated Statement of Interest (SoI). >>>> >>>> - It is desirable for the candidate to have participated in public >>>> comment efforts, and be an active member in one or more Working Groups (WG) >>>> within ICANN or generally been contributing by being involved with outreach >>>> and NCUC events. >>>> >>>> *About the Finance Committee* >>>> >>>> >>>> The Finance Commmitee at NCSG is formed by one NCUC and one NPOC >>>> representative. The current NPOC representative is Sam Lanfranco. NCUC can >>>> also add observers to this committee in case there are more members >>>> interested in following the committee's work. >>>> >>>> *If you are interested at the position, please send your application >>>> and SOI to **chair at ncuc.org* * and copy >>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org * >>>> >>>> [1] NCUC Operating Procedures >>>> >>>> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC >>>> -Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> -- >>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> NCUC Chair >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We looked at the 2011 Charter where its terms-of-reference are way out of date since they had assumed that NCSG would have income from dues and other sources. It does not. I had to pull back from ICANN involvement for the past couple of years while I dealt with personal issues (collapse of late-in-life mistaken second marriage. I am explicit on this since I want to rule out worries that it was work or health related) but I am back. With other hats I am also the treasurer of a modest organization that does have revenues and expenditures.? As a board member elsewheree, serving as Chairs and Presidents, I know both due process and the issues that can emerge. I am good at mediating disputes in the search for consensus. / /Sam L, NPOC/ On 7/23/2019 10:05 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: > Dear all, > > Before we start engaging in such conversations, I ask you to wait for > the present call to be closed.??NCUC already has a process going on > for selecting a new appointee to the Finance Committee and, as we dont > know the outcome of the call yet or the applications received, I would > suggest for us to wait a bit. > > While we wait, it would be great for either?Sam, Ayden, Thato and also > Remmy to maybe share a little bit about their experiences at the FC. > Maybe by sharing such impressions we can help any member who's in > doubt about applying for the committee. > > Best Regards, > > Bruna Santos > NCUC Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tuesday, 23 July 2019 15:56, Maryam Bakoshi wrote: > Dear all, > > Please find attendance and recordings of the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting of 23 July 2019 at 1500 UTC > > Attendance: Ayden F?rdeline, Stephanie Perrin, Bruna Martins dos Santos, Raphael Beauregard Lacroix, Thato Mfikwe, Sam Lanfranco | Staff: Maryam Bakoshi > > Zoom room recording: https://icann.zoom.us/recording/play/Tby7kdjm93q_Iv1-o108iDd3n_u9q2TMRKTIBq2E_2EeWxfEpVNXCc0WQLhEPqia > > Audio only: https://icann.zoom.us/recording/play/FSh7GgWHrHC-mmLGIVHd09hXqn2sTdSna6JHJaUHajaZ_Jp7mG7iqmxc7fjDQ3hA > > Transcript: https://icann.zoom.us/recording/download/4LnzI2-cMc7fKr6OSAaUUV7o1-uku5xogaW6LT5MdaBCno8Yrl-BcIX9AdNfVixJ > > Chat: https://icann.zoom.us/recording/download/CKDoz3WgLFbw1ygWru4_6p9Sd512lu6s0979EcBks8ZwDq62Ne-7C3maioVApy8B > > Many thanks, > > -- > > Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator > > ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers > > S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Based on the evidence presented we do not consider a worst-case scenario likely to occur within 2021-2025, but equally, a high funding scenario seems unlikely if there are fewer and fewer domain registrations. Old text: We encourage ICANN org to update its projections to reflect a more realistic scenario, which is that the entire DNS marketplace continues to contract, particularly as we see evidence that the number of registries is in decline. Based on the evidence presented we do not consider a worst-case scenario likely to occur within 2021-2025, but equally, a high funding scenario seems unlikely if there are fewer and fewer accredited registrars and registry operators. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please advise ASAP if this > new language is acceptable, or if you have any questions or concerns. > Thanks. > > -- Ayden > > New text: > > We encourage ICANN org to update its projections to reflect a more > realistic scenario, which is that the entire DNS marketplace will > begin to contract, as has been the case for new gTLDs, particularly as > price caps are removed from legacy gTLDs, resulting in an unstable > pricing environment in which existings registrants may be unable or > unwilling to renew a domain name. Based on the evidence presented we > do not consider a worst-case scenario likely to occur within > 2021-2025, but equally, a high funding scenario seems unlikely if > there are fewer and fewer domain registrations. > > > Old text: > > We encourage ICANN org to update its projections to reflect a more > realistic scenario, which is that the entire DNS marketplace continues > to contract, particularly as we see evidence that the number of > registries is in decline. Based on the evidence presented we do not > consider a worst-case scenario likely to occur within 2021-2025, but > equally, a high funding scenario seems unlikely if there are fewer and > fewer accredited registrars and registry operators. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honored in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus), Econ, York U., CANADA email: sam at lanfranco.net Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icann at ferdeline.com Wed Jul 24 20:23:05 2019 From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:23:05 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Financial Assumptions comment In-Reply-To: <59efe33a-ba69-829b-83e3-e8d4b8e8b4c4@lanfranco.net> References: <59efe33a-ba69-829b-83e3-e8d4b8e8b4c4@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: Thanks Sam, I am friendly to this amendment. Given time constraints, I am going to make this edit now and forward the revised comment to the NCSG-Discuss list for further member input and to the NCSG Finance Committee for review and potential endorsement. If any members or observers of the Finance Committee have any concerns regarding this edit or the comment text, it is not too late to flag these concerns, however I would then be forwarding your concerns to the Policy Committee list so that the Policy Committee can be both aware of them and can consider addressing them. Best wishes, Ayden F?rdeline ??????? Original Message ??????? On Wednesday, 24 July 2019 11:10, Sam Lanfranco wrote: > Ayden, et. al., > > I would make one modification. We do not say why we do not consider a worst-case scenario likely to occur, and we see a high funding scenario as unlikely. I would simply stop the sentence at ...scenario seems unlikely. and drop why we believe that. It is suggested in the first sentence, and there is no gain from going on the books with the "if there are....". > > Sam > > On 7/23/2019 10:15 PM, Ayden F?rdeline wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Following our call today, I have updated the [proposed financial assumptions comment](https://docs.google.com/document/d/15MRe6L9AkkS1e0y5LBzcLRxMfQt5Shi0RH7jIBKq8To/edit). Below is the one change that I have made. Please advise ASAP if this new language is acceptable, or if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks. >> >> -- Ayden >> >> New text: >> >> We encourage ICANN org to update its projections to reflect a more realistic scenario, which is that the entire DNS marketplace will begin to contract, as has been the case for new gTLDs, particularly as price caps are removed from legacy gTLDs, resulting in an unstable pricing environment in which existings registrants may be unable or unwilling to renew a domain name. Based on the evidence presented we do not consider a worst-case scenario likely to occur within 2021-2025, but equally, a high funding scenario seems unlikely if there are fewer and fewer domain registrations. >> >> Old text: >> >> We encourage ICANN org to update its projections to reflect a more realistic scenario, which is that the entire DNS marketplace continues to contract, particularly as we see evidence that the number of registries is in decline. 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