[NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Tue Jan 15 01:57:04 EET 2019

Thanks for clarifying.  Indeed, we do seem to be talking past each other.  Who do you see as responsible for developing the proposals for ABRs?

I am going to actually start tracking how much time the NCSG Chair spends replying to emails, taking required administrative actions, writing letters, comments, and in this case ABRs, paying bills and seeking reimbursements, etc.  I think this would be be useful next year at election time, so that individuals running for office would have a realistic impression of the actual workload; I don't think it has been accurately logged before on a spreadsheet so I will try to set that up over the next little while and check it.  I am accustomed to workload management spreadsheets, as I am sure all of us are, and I do think that a little scrutiny of actual workload would help us in developing procedures and workload delegation.

cheers Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 13:14, Remmy Nweke wrote:
Thanks for the response,
I must say you  misinterpreted my email as I did not  tend to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC for whatever its worth as I thought I was explicit enough.
However, for me asking FC to take over drafting of ABR in your email is a throwback, which is not necessary instead of addressing the issues raised including the imperative of FC Reps being included even in an extended excom to enable the Reps understand where the Cs are headed to thereby proactive.

I will not subscribe to your request also because it portends to say that FC reps are less busy, even though it will amount to micromanaging the ABR which we are supposed to oversee its implementation, thereby overreaching itself. Its like saying that your external auditor should prepare your accounts. This is aside that all of us have various degree of volunteerism here and there.

I think the best the FC Reps can do is to ensure that transparency and accountability prevails, hence the template concept was initiated to actually fasttrack the submission and ease for every party against your reasons for the decline which for me remain latent in practice and offered an opposition to a platform for improved ABR submission from the NCSG.

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Remmy,

I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.

At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for that.

With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.

Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ?


Em sáb, 12 de jan de 2019 às 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.

For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.

But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.

In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.

Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.

Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the appropriate timeframe.

Thank you very much.


Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 às 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.

Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.
Remmy Nweke

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