[NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia

Remmy Nweke remmyn at gmail.com
Mon Jan 7 10:57:07 EET 2019

Hi Thato and colleagues,
I am sure we have seen this on the public list and as Stephanie suggested,
FC need to discuss this extensively and advise appropriately.

Therefore, can we have meeting on this subject ASAP.

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From: Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:25 AM
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>

Dear all,

I've tried unsuccesfully opening an account for NPOC here in Finland and
what it really comes down to, are the restrictions of having account owners
that are based in Finland and every time they would be changed, they'd have
to come over to Finland to do so. The same goes for the NCUC's current

Now, I think we (me and Tapani) have found a solution to our problems and
it is such that I will get a e-citizenship in Estonia, register the C's and
the SG in Estonia and then open the bank account to each of them separately
in person. We'll probably need another few people to take e-residencies as
well, to share the responsibility and accountability of said accounts and
the e-residency costs 100€ per person. https://apply.gov.ee/

None of our SG's organisational structure is officially recognised anywhere
but inside ICANN - I think we should change that and register in a country
that is actually a lot more lenient than Finland or USA, for example.


The most essential difference to most countries is that Estonia allows
change of authorised users on bank accounts to people with e-residency ID,
and this change can be done in any consulate of Estonia in the world.

All I would need, is the boat trip to Tallinn and back and one night in a
local hotel. This would be less than 200€ in total.

200€ for e-residency for two people, per account, so 600€.

We'd also need to cover the costs of registering our organisations in
Estonia, which will probably make things easier, and I think all three can
be registered for less that 200€ in total.

So... We'd need about a thousand euros + 5 people wanting to put their
names as the account holders. What do you guys think? If we discuss this
further, I might actually get all the details together by Kobe.

I think it would be crucial to finally get our organisational
infrastructure together and be able to change people as the account
holders. Now the situation is really inflexible and reliant on a very few
people with access to the accounts.

Once we register the organisations as not-for-profits, we could also
finally get an government ID to start using Google's nonprofit benefits
which are really quite numerous. Same goes for Dropbox for example, they
give 30% discount.


P.S. While I was searching, I found this a record of the CSG having a
nonprofit register in the USA. I found that somewhat surprising.

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