From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 02:12:15 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 09:12:15 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [Public Comments] Call for Volunteers for ICANN
 Draft FY20 Operating Plan and Budget and Five-Year Operating Plan Update
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkZaFOV2oh=B69UWX=8VgYCgvaGOSHiKNps7uv-7ytvbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThkZaFOV2oh=B69UWX=8VgYCgvaGOSHiKNps7uv-7ytvbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThknQVLeStzg5S17E=oHCi408s3C+4=83n+UknEaeVPwhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

this is reminder that we have the ICANN Budget FY20 public comment and we
need to start the drafting pretty soon. Ayden already started a thread in
NCSG list highlighting several items.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Date: mar. 18 d?c. 2018 ? 08:46
Subject: [Public Comments] Call for Volunteers for ICANN Draft FY20
Operating Plan and Budget and Five-Year Operating Plan Update
To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


Hi all,

ICANN just published today the public consultation for the FY20 Operating
Plan and Budget. With the IANA stewardship transition and ICANN
accountability setup, it became critical for the different groups within
ICANN including NCSG to follow the budgeting and planning process more
closely and participate actively.

As a group, we need to submit our comment on the ICANN budget in particular
in relation to anything related to GNSO policy making processes and the
support provided to community.  The budget and operating plan set and
outline the priorities for ICANN for coming fiscal year and so having
impact on our policies and our activities. There is also an update of 5
years operating plan. For more background, you can find all the relevant
material here:
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/fy20-budget-2018-12-17-en

I created this google doc to be used during the drafting and accessible to
all:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OkFN5FKHPPGqT4hyJGjWRTE5IXJS8CbjusUMPo_5kng/edit


Please let me offline if you want to volunteer to participate in drafting
the NCSG comment. For this particular effort, the NCSG Financial Committee
is expected to work with other interested volunteers from NCSG membership.
It also should coordinate with the NCSG members of the GNSO Standing
Committee on ICANN's Budget and Operations, led by Ayden. I expect NCSG
Policy Committee members to participate actively too.  As there are several
things to cover in the public comment material, having many volunteers
would be helpful. It is also an important group effort for NCSG. The final
draft comment will go then through the usual process of review and approval
for the NCSG Policy Committee.

You can find previous public comment submitted by NCSG here
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2018 and
listing those who drafted them. thanks again for those who participating in
drafting of the previous comments : Austin, Ioana, Farzaneh, Tomslin,
Farell, Juan.

Best Regards,

Rafik Dammak

NCSG Policy Committee Chair
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From PolicyCalendar at icann.org  Fri Jan  4 03:42:33 2019
From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:42:33 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 10:35:12 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:35:12 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04
 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <d4341346e22a4b0b888bfd13ee7ca64c@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
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Message-ID: <CAGZi7Ns8mqwcsriMBjW5axtzDb_kMAMdFxSRgcbBNYgEM8-McQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Please find the proposed agneda for today's meeting, @Maryam please post
the agenda on the meeting, thanks.

FC Meeting #3 (60 - 90 minutes)

1 Opening and welcome
2. Adoption of the agenda
3. Minutes of the previous meeting
4. ICANN 64 FC meeting request
5. Matters arising
- FC participation in ICANN meetings
- ABR for FC participation in meetings and CIVI CRM expenses
- Travel slot allocation for the FC
- FY20 ICANN org budget and issues
- Call for volunteers (FY20 ops and budget, strat plan 2021 - 2025 and 1st
consultation on 2-year planning process)
- CCWG on AP
- CSG findings on PTI performance
- CIVI CRM actions needed
6. Any other Business
7. Way forward
8 Closure

Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:42 AM ICANN Policy Calendar <
PolicyCalendar at icann.org> wrote:

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From PolicyCalendar at icann.org  Fri Jan  4 14:36:18 2019
From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:36:18 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04
 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC
Message-ID: <f1c66d48958b423cbb89d394cfaf92c2@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>

Dear All,



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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Fri Jan  4 14:58:12 2019
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:58:12 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04
 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC
Message-ID: <18EB6439-4DB3-4CF2-B6F9-9BDD6A9985EF@icann.org>

Dear All,

This is a gentle reminder that the meeting starts in 3 minutes.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 4 January 2019 at 03:34
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC

Hi all,

Please find the proposed agneda for today's meeting, @Maryam please post the agenda on the meeting, thanks.

FC Meeting #3 (60 - 90 minutes)

1 Opening and welcome
2. Adoption of the agenda
3. Minutes of the previous meeting
4. ICANN 64 FC meeting request
5. Matters arising
- FC participation in ICANN meetings
- ABR for FC participation in meetings and CIVI CRM expenses
- Travel slot allocation for the FC
- FY20 ICANN org budget and issues
- Call for volunteers (FY20 ops and budget, strat plan 2021 - 2025 and 1st consultation on 2-year planning process)
- CCWG on AP
- CSG findings on PTI performance
- CIVI CRM actions needed
6. Any other Business
7. Way forward
8 Closure

Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:42 AM ICANN Policy Calendar <PolicyCalendar at icann.org<mailto:PolicyCalendar at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,

**REMINDER**

Please find participation details for the NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC

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From: rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rapha=C3=ABl_Beauregard=2DLacroix?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 08:01:44 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04
 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <18EB6439-4DB3-4CF2-B6F9-9BDD6A9985EF@icann.org>
References: <18EB6439-4DB3-4CF2-B6F9-9BDD6A9985EF@icann.org>
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Hi all,

I have some connectivity problems, will be there in a few mins.

Thanks,

Best,

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:58 AM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> This is a gentle reminder that the meeting starts in *3 minutes*.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, 4 January 2019 at 03:34
> *To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Cc: *Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on
> Friday 04 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Please find the proposed agneda for today's meeting, @Maryam please post
> the agenda on the meeting, thanks.
>
>
>
> FC Meeting #3 (60 - 90 minutes)
>
>
>
> 1 Opening and welcome
>
> 2. Adoption of the agenda
>
> 3. Minutes of the previous meeting
>
> 4. ICANN 64 FC meeting request
>
> 5. Matters arising
>
> - FC participation in ICANN meetings
>
> - ABR for FC participation in meetings and CIVI CRM expenses
>
> - Travel slot allocation for the FC
>
> - FY20 ICANN org budget and issues
>
> - Call for volunteers (FY20 ops and budget, strat plan 2021 - 2025 and 1st
> consultation on 2-year planning process)
>
> - CCWG on AP
>
> - CSG findings on PTI performance
>
> - CIVI CRM actions needed
>
> 6. Any other Business
>
> 7. Way forward
>
> 8 Closure
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:42 AM ICANN Policy Calendar <
> PolicyCalendar at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> ***REMINDER***
>
>
>
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>
>
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Fri Jan  4 15:03:17 2019
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 13:03:17 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on
 Friday 04 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC
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?Thank you Rapha?l, this is noted. Please let me know if you would require dial out.

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From: NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Rapha?l Beauregard-Lacroix <rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com>
Reply-To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Date: Friday, 4 January 2019 at 08:02
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC

Hi all,

I have some connectivity problems, will be there in a few mins.

Thanks,

Best,

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:58 AM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,

This is a gentle reminder that the meeting starts in 3 minutes.

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ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, 4 January 2019 at 03:34
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>>
Cc: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] **REMINDER**NCSG Finance Committee Call on Friday 04 January 2019 at 13:00 UTC

Hi all,

Please find the proposed agneda for today's meeting, @Maryam please post the agenda on the meeting, thanks.

FC Meeting #3 (60 - 90 minutes)

1 Opening and welcome
2. Adoption of the agenda
3. Minutes of the previous meeting
4. ICANN 64 FC meeting request
5. Matters arising
- FC participation in ICANN meetings
- ABR for FC participation in meetings and CIVI CRM expenses
- Travel slot allocation for the FC
- FY20 ICANN org budget and issues
- Call for volunteers (FY20 ops and budget, strat plan 2021 - 2025 and 1st consultation on 2-year planning process)
- CCWG on AP
- CSG findings on PTI performance
- CIVI CRM actions needed
6. Any other Business
7. Way forward
8 Closure

Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:42 AM ICANN Policy Calendar <PolicyCalendar at icann.org<mailto:PolicyCalendar at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,

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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Fri Jan  4 16:45:04 2019
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:45:04 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Attendance and Recording: NCSG Finance Committee Meeting
 04 Jan 2019 at 1300 UTC
Message-ID: <3B0A74C3-26BC-4465-87E0-1D32484CD44A@icann.org>

Dear All,

Please find attendance and recording of the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting, 04 Jan 2019 at 1300 UTC.

Attendance: Rafik Dammak, Thato Mfikwe, Ayden F?rdeline, Rapha?l Beauregard-Lacroix , Stephanie Perrin | Staff Support: Maryam Bakoshi

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MP3: Attached

AC Chat: Attached



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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 10:57:07 2019
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 09:57:07 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC,
 NCUC and NCSG in Estonia
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Hi Thato and colleagues,
I am sure we have seen this on the public list and as Stephanie suggested,
FC need to discuss this extensively and advise appropriately.

Therefore, can we have meeting on this subject ASAP.

Regards
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From: Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:25 AM
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in
Estonia
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


Dear all,

I've tried unsuccesfully opening an account for NPOC here in Finland and
what it really comes down to, are the restrictions of having account owners
that are based in Finland and every time they would be changed, they'd have
to come over to Finland to do so. The same goes for the NCUC's current
account.

Now, I think we (me and Tapani) have found a solution to our problems and
it is such that I will get a e-citizenship in Estonia, register the C's and
the SG in Estonia and then open the bank account to each of them separately
in person. We'll probably need another few people to take e-residencies as
well, to share the responsibility and accountability of said accounts and
the e-residency costs 100? per person. https://apply.gov.ee/

None of our SG's organisational structure is officially recognised anywhere
but inside ICANN - I think we should change that and register in a country
that is actually a lot more lenient than Finland or USA, for example.

https://www.estoniancompanyregistration.com/nonprofit-organisation-registration-in-estonia

The most essential difference to most countries is that Estonia allows
change of authorised users on bank accounts to people with e-residency ID,
and this change can be done in any consulate of Estonia in the world.

All I would need, is the boat trip to Tallinn and back and one night in a
local hotel. This would be less than 200? in total.

200? for e-residency for two people, per account, so 600?.

We'd also need to cover the costs of registering our organisations in
Estonia, which will probably make things easier, and I think all three can
be registered for less that 200? in total.

So... We'd need about a thousand euros + 5 people wanting to put their
names as the account holders. What do you guys think? If we discuss this
further, I might actually get all the details together by Kobe.

I think it would be crucial to finally get our organisational
infrastructure together and be able to change people as the account
holders. Now the situation is really inflexible and reliant on a very few
people with access to the accounts.

Once we register the organisations as not-for-profits, we could also
finally get an government ID to start using Google's nonprofit benefits
which are really quite numerous. Same goes for Dropbox for example, they
give 30% discount.

-Raoul

P.S. While I was searching, I found this a record of the CSG having a
nonprofit register in the USA. I found that somewhat surprising.

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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 13:34:35 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:34:35 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC,
 NCUC and NCSG in Estonia
Message-ID: <rqvkbrxe7ca5beiupgfyb400.1546860875655@email.android.com>

Hi Remmy and all,
I saw the email discussion around bank accounts. I do not have a problem with the suggestions because opening of an account will make the FC activities simple to coordinate and enhance transperency on financial activities IMO.
Do you think we need to hold a meeting around this? I think we just need to reach consensus and maybe the proposed meeting will be around how we move forward with this idea of opening an account.
Bare in mind that this suggestion also has financial implications so we need to also see how we can do this without exerting financial pressure on members.

I have never heard of e-citizenship before so this is still foreign to me but am willing to support this direction, thanks.
Thato Mfikwe.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> Date: 07/01/2019  10:57  (GMT+02:00) To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is> Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia 
Hi Thato and colleagues,I am sure we have seen this on the public list and as Stephanie suggested, FC need to discuss this extensively and advise appropriately.
Therefore, can we have meeting on this subject ASAP.
RegardsRemmy
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:25 AM
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia
To:  <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


Dear all,
I've tried unsuccesfully opening an account for NPOC here in Finland and what it really comes down to, are the restrictions of having account owners that are based in Finland and every time they would be changed, they'd have to come over to Finland to do so. The same goes for the NCUC's current account.
Now, I think we (me and Tapani) have found a solution to our problems and it is such that I will get a e-citizenship in Estonia, register the C's and the SG in Estonia and then open the bank account to each of them separately in person. We'll probably need another few people to take e-residencies as well, to share the responsibility and accountability of said accounts and the e-residency costs 100? per person.?https://apply.gov.ee/

None of our SG's organisational structure is officially recognised anywhere but inside ICANN - I think we should change that and register in a country that is actually a lot more lenient than Finland or USA, for example.

https://www.estoniancompanyregistration.com/nonprofit-organisation-registration-in-estonia

The most essential difference to most countries is that Estonia allows change of authorised users on bank accounts to people with e-residency ID, and this change can be done in any consulate of Estonia in the world.
All I would need, is the boat trip to Tallinn and back and one night in a local hotel. This would be less than 200? in total.

200? for e-residency for two people, per account, so 600?.
We'd also need to cover the costs of registering our organisations in Estonia, which will probably make things easier, and I think all three can be registered for less that 200? in total.
So... We'd need about a thousand euros?+ 5 people wanting to put their names as the account holders. What do you guys think? If we discuss this further, I might actually get all the details together by Kobe.
I think it would be crucial to finally get our organisational infrastructure together and be able to change people as the account holders. Now the situation is really inflexible and reliant on a very few people with access to the accounts.

Once we register the organisations as not-for-profits, we could also finally get an government ID to start using Google's nonprofit benefits which are really quite numerous. Same goes for Dropbox for example, they give 30% discount.
-Raoul

P.S. While I was searching, I found this a record of the CSG having a nonprofit register in the USA. I found that somewhat surprising.




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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 15:18:27 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:18:27 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-FC] kick off NCSG comment of ICANN Draft FY20 Operating Plan
 and Budget and Five-Year Operating Plan Update
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnayj=CgKbDUo1W_s8VAUYN04Tw_d3f4ANndYjjWrffiA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am sending this email so we can kick off the work on drafting NCSG
comment for ICANN FY20 budget and operating plan
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OkFN5FKHPPGqT4hyJGjWRTE5IXJS8CbjusUMPo_5kng/edit
.
we have 1 month left to get the draft made and reviewed by membership and
NCSG PC. We have already ongoing thread in NCSG list with several items but
there is likely other areas to investigate in the proposed budget.

Best,

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Jan  7 17:02:33 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:02:33 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC,
 NCUC and NCSG in Estonia
In-Reply-To: <rqvkbrxe7ca5beiupgfyb400.1546860875655@email.android.com>
References: <rqvkbrxe7ca5beiupgfyb400.1546860875655@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <4229e9c5-53de-ada5-a437-6f4df3885df9@mail.utoronto.ca>

I don't think we need a separate meeting for this.  Lets just discuss at the next FC meeting.   Peraonlly, as I have said before, I want members to focus on the Legal implications of creating these entities.  Folks who are busy fighting in the trenches on the policy side (and I count myself one of them) encounter a lot of pushback and animosity at ICANN.  Creating an entity exposes us, however theoretically, to litigation.  Think this through thoroughly before creating a target please.  We have so little money, and so few prospects of getting more, that I really don't see the point to incorporating/forming a legal entity at the moment.  And as I tried to point out on the list....at the moment I have the most money invested in our processes (2430 US to be precise, which I am sure will be repaid eventually, even if I have to eat the currency exchange and transfer fees).

More to the point would be to focus on the ABRs, in my opinion.

Stephanie

On 2019-01-07 06:34, thatomfikwe wrote:
Hi Remmy and all,

I saw the email discussion around bank accounts. I do not have a problem with the suggestions because opening of an account will make the FC activities simple to coordinate and enhance transperency on financial activities IMO.

Do you think we need to hold a meeting around this? I think we just need to reach consensus and maybe the proposed meeting will be around how we move forward with this idea of opening an account.

Bare in mind that this suggestion also has financial implications so we need to also see how we can do this without exerting financial pressure on members.


I have never heard of e-citizenship before so this is still foreign to me but am willing to support this direction, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com><mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>
Date: 07/01/2019 10:57 (GMT+02:00)
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia

Hi Thato and colleagues,
I am sure we have seen this on the public list and as Stephanie suggested, FC need to discuss this extensively and advise appropriately.

Therefore, can we have meeting on this subject ASAP.

Regards
Remmy
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com<mailto:plommer at gmail.com>>
Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:25 AM
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>


Dear all,

I've tried unsuccesfully opening an account for NPOC here in Finland and what it really comes down to, are the restrictions of having account owners that are based in Finland and every time they would be changed, they'd have to come over to Finland to do so. The same goes for the NCUC's current account.

Now, I think we (me and Tapani) have found a solution to our problems and it is such that I will get a e-citizenship in Estonia, register the C's and the SG in Estonia and then open the bank account to each of them separately in person. We'll probably need another few people to take e-residencies as well, to share the responsibility and accountability of said accounts and the e-residency costs 100? per person. https://apply.gov.ee/

None of our SG's organisational structure is officially recognised anywhere but inside ICANN - I think we should change that and register in a country that is actually a lot more lenient than Finland or USA, for example.

https://www.estoniancompanyregistration.com/nonprofit-organisation-registration-in-estonia

The most essential difference to most countries is that Estonia allows change of authorised users on bank accounts to people with e-residency ID, and this change can be done in any consulate of Estonia in the world.

All I would need, is the boat trip to Tallinn and back and one night in a local hotel. This would be less than 200? in total.

200? for e-residency for two people, per account, so 600?.

We'd also need to cover the costs of registering our organisations in Estonia, which will probably make things easier, and I think all three can be registered for less that 200? in total.

So... We'd need about a thousand euros + 5 people wanting to put their names as the account holders. What do you guys think? If we discuss this further, I might actually get all the details together by Kobe.

I think it would be crucial to finally get our organisational infrastructure together and be able to change people as the account holders. Now the situation is really inflexible and reliant on a very few people with access to the accounts.

Once we register the organisations as not-for-profits, we could also finally get an government ID to start using Google's nonprofit benefits which are really quite numerous. Same goes for Dropbox for example, they give 30% discount.

-Raoul

P.S. While I was searching, I found this a record of the CSG having a nonprofit register in the USA. I found that somewhat surprising.

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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jan  7 18:18:29 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:18:29 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC,
 NCUC and NCSG in Estonia
Message-ID: <4g5vbfwtr2u2ttw730maceis.1546877909243@email.android.com>

Just a small comment,
Currently working on how to best address the urgent ABR issue, the plan is to create a template with a brief background for members to submit their ideas or/and facilitate a meeting where priorities will be tabled and adopted before submission by constituencies, members, leaders and committees of NCSG.
I take cognisance of the problems that come with opening and account but what does this mean interms of the NCSG charter that clearly states that NCSG must have its accout? Not against any suggestion just need to understand implications of alternative decisions.
Regarding small amounts of money in NCSG name, does it mean we wait for finances to reach a certain level before we consider an account, if so what is that level?
NCSG cannot continue to dig into members pockets to manage expenses so findrasing plan is vital and ABR, PIR and annual budgets are one way, there are other ways like external sponsors and funders.
I some how feel that there might be interelation between ability to fundraise and existence of an account. Funders, atleast external and potentials might not be ?comfortable with funding a structure that doesnt have its own accounts in my view.
Still bearing in mind that fundraising is underpinned by priorities, activities and plans.

Thato Mfikwe.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> Date: 07/01/2019  17:02  (GMT+02:00) To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia 

I don't think we need a separate meeting for this.? Lets just discuss at the next FC meeting.?? Peraonlly, as I have said before, I want members to focus on the Legal implications of creating these entities.? Folks
 who are busy fighting in the trenches on the policy side (and I count myself one of them) encounter a lot of pushback and animosity at ICANN.? Creating an entity exposes us, however theoretically, to litigation.? Think this through thoroughly before creating
 a target please.? We have so little money, and so few prospects of getting more, that I really don't see the point to incorporating/forming a legal entity at the moment.? And as I tried to point out on the list....at the moment I have the most money invested
 in our processes (2430 US to be precise, which I am sure will be repaid eventually, even if I have to eat the currency exchange and transfer fees).
More to the point would be to focus on the ABRs, in my opinion.


Stephanie


On 2019-01-07 06:34, thatomfikwe wrote:



Hi Remmy and all,



I saw the email discussion around bank accounts. I do not have a problem with the suggestions because opening of an account will make the FC activities simple to coordinate and enhance transperency on financial activities IMO.



Do you think we need to hold a meeting around this? I think we just need to reach consensus and maybe the proposed meeting will be around how we move forward with this idea of opening an account.



Bare in mind that this suggestion also has financial implications so we need to also see how we can do this without exerting financial pressure on members.






I have never heard of e-citizenship before so this is still foreign to me but am willing to support this direction, thanks.



Thato Mfikwe.







Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Remmy Nweke 
<remmyn at gmail.com> 
Date: 07/01/2019 10:57 (GMT+02:00) 
To: NCSG Finance Committee 
<ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is> 
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia





Hi Thato and colleagues,
I am sure we have seen this on the public list and as Stephanie suggested, FC need to discuss this extensively and advise appropriately.



Therefore, can we have meeting on this subject ASAP.



Regards
Remmy

























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DigitalSENSE Africa Media?[Multiple-award winning medium]

(DigitalSENSE Business News;
ITREALMS,
NaijaAgroNet)
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 contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.


































---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Raoul Plommer 
<plommer at gmail.com>

Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:25 AM

Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Opening an account for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG in Estonia

To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>








Dear all,



I've tried unsuccesfully opening an account for NPOC here in Finland and what it really comes down to, are the restrictions of having account owners that are based in Finland and every time they would be changed, they'd have to come over to Finland to
 do so. The same goes for the NCUC's current account.



Now, I think we (me and Tapani) have found a solution to our problems and it is such that I will get a e-citizenship in Estonia, register the C's and the SG in Estonia and then open the bank account to each of them separately in person. We'll probably
 need another few people to take e-residencies as well, to share the responsibility and accountability of said accounts and the e-residency costs 100? per person.?https://apply.gov.ee/



None of our SG's organisational structure is officially recognised anywhere but inside ICANN - I think we should change that and register in a country that is actually a lot more lenient than Finland or USA, for example.



https://www.estoniancompanyregistration.com/nonprofit-organisation-registration-in-estonia





The most essential difference to most countries is that Estonia allows change of authorised users on bank accounts to people with e-residency ID, and this change can be done in any consulate of Estonia in the world.



All I would need, is the boat trip to Tallinn and back and one night in a local hotel. This would be less than 200? in total.



200? for e-residency for two people, per account, so 600?.



We'd also need to cover the costs of registering our organisations in Estonia, which will probably make things easier, and I think all three can be registered for less that 200? in total.



So... We'd need about a thousand euros?+ 5 people wanting to put their names as the account holders. What do you guys think? If we discuss this further, I might actually get all the details together by Kobe.



I think it would be crucial to finally get our organisational infrastructure together and be able to change people as the account holders. Now the situation is really inflexible and reliant on a very few people with access to the accounts.



Once we register the organisations as not-for-profits, we could also finally get an government ID to start using Google's nonprofit benefits which are really quite numerous. Same goes for Dropbox for example, they give 30% discount.



-Raoul



P.S. While I was searching, I found this a record of the CSG having a nonprofit register in the USA. I found that somewhat surprising.





















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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 13:25:03 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 13:25:03 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] ABR submission online form- please provide comments
Message-ID: <jc09ta28rubdv3teer092cpg.1547032840443@email.android.com>

Hi members,
The proposed way forward regarding ABR (please
provide comments by 15pm UTC):


Purpose: to create a light weight ABR process in order to
simplify and analyse the submission process, namely:? -?????????
Development of an online form where community members
can submit their suggestions, ideas and recommendations regarding ABRs, in line
with ABR principles
? -?????????
Design of this online form to also serve as a
mini survey in order to understand the need, priorities and interest of members
and please provide advise accordingly (by 10 Jan)? -?????????
Circulation via NCSG and NCUC mailing list, the
call for participation in the ABR fact-finding survey (by 11 Jan)
? -?????????
Engagement of committees, NCSG and constituency ECs
regarding finding and results? -?????????
Submission of ABRs after review of applications (by 15 December)


Please also note that the FC still need volunteers as
it currently has few members who can priorities on its activities. The ABR
submission is pretty urgent, thus a prompt responses would be very helpful at
this stage to ensure we submit before the deadline.

This also presents an opportunity for NCSG and NCUC to work more
closely in this ABR process to ensure that activities of the stakeholder group
and constituency and fairly supported.

Link to ABR analyses that was created in during 2018, to
help with some background on historical submissions.

?

Thato Mfikwe.

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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 13:27:08 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 13:27:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] ABR submission online form- please provide comments
Message-ID: <5g0fh9y0283cdak3k9ih783u.1547033228060@email.android.com>

Apologies, below is the linknto the online form:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75
Thato Mfikwe

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: thatomfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> Date: 09/01/2019  13:25  (GMT+02:00) To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is Subject: ABR submission online form- please provide comments 
Hi members,
The proposed way forward regarding ABR (please
provide comments by 15pm UTC):


Purpose: to create a light weight ABR process in order to
simplify and analyse the submission process, namely:? -?????????
Development of an online form where community members
can submit their suggestions, ideas and recommendations regarding ABRs, in line
with ABR principles
? -?????????
Design of this online form to also serve as a
mini survey in order to understand the need, priorities and interest of members
and please provide advise accordingly (by 10 Jan)? -?????????
Circulation via NCSG and NCUC mailing list, the
call for participation in the ABR fact-finding survey (by 11 Jan)
? -?????????
Engagement of committees, NCSG and constituency ECs
regarding finding and results? -?????????
Submission of ABRs after review of applications (by 15 December)


Please also note that the FC still need volunteers as
it currently has few members who can priorities on its activities. The ABR
submission is pretty urgent, thus a prompt responses would be very helpful at
this stage to ensure we submit before the deadline.

This also presents an opportunity for NCSG and NCUC to work more
closely in this ABR process to ensure that activities of the stakeholder group
and constituency and fairly supported.

Link to ABR analyses that was created in during 2018, to
help with some background on historical submissions.

?

Thato Mfikwe.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 14:19:36 2019
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 13:19:36 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <00000000000092d203057ef4d274@google.com>
References: <57603abb-666a-4b2c-854b-aa13a9027b28@docs-share.google.com>
 <00000000000092d203057ef4d274@google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__orT8Vo_Zpi6CJdYZkxp4gtHADuZyQbwNwrAgDZcWswREQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list
on or before Friday.
Regards
Remmy Nweke


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From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>


Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the following form:
NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
Open in Forms
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Fri Jan 11 14:56:36 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:56:36 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__orT8Vo_Zpi6CJdYZkxp4gtHADuZyQbwNwrAgDZcWswREQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57603abb-666a-4b2c-854b-aa13a9027b28@docs-share.google.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGZi7NutHP9QKn8HWN5PEGq9P2bO0P0OBO+N52HS9HojfdGiGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today,
please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.

Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken
that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected,
thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good day
> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list
> on or before Friday.
> Regards
> Remmy Nweke
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>
>
> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the following
> form:
> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
> Open in Forms
> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not the
> same email your collaborators received. Click here
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Fri Jan 11 20:44:06 2019
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:44:06 -0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NutHP9QKn8HWN5PEGq9P2bO0P0OBO+N52HS9HojfdGiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57603abb-666a-4b2c-854b-aa13a9027b28@docs-share.google.com>
 <00000000000092d203057ef4d274@google.com>
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 <CAGZi7NutHP9QKn8HWN5PEGq9P2bO0P0OBO+N52HS9HojfdGiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADAEEV0NxYYkYcdkYUM2L=FmX8YA=zj1qSO+1Uf80teSpf04HA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the
form is not an optimal solution for now.

Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with
a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC
might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to
enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
appropriate timeframe.

Thank you very much.

best,
Bruna



Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today,
> please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.
>
> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken
> that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected,
> thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good day
>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG
>> list on or before Friday.
>> Regards
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the following
>> form:
>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>> Open in Forms
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not the
>> same email your collaborators received. Click here
>> <https://support.google.com/drive/?p=courtesy_copy> to learn more. [image:
>> Logo for Google Forms] <https://drive.google.com>
>>
>

-- 
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 11:40:07 2019
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:40:07 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV0NxYYkYcdkYUM2L=FmX8YA=zj1qSO+1Uf80teSpf04HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57603abb-666a-4b2c-854b-aa13a9027b28@docs-share.google.com>
 <00000000000092d203057ef4d274@google.com>
 <CAMc__orT8Vo_Zpi6CJdYZkxp4gtHADuZyQbwNwrAgDZcWswREQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NutHP9QKn8HWN5PEGq9P2bO0P0OBO+N52HS9HojfdGiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADAEEV0NxYYkYcdkYUM2L=FmX8YA=zj1qSO+1Uf80teSpf04HA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__oo8NjxmiU6m=DjSdNFxEVY+PdOkW=66zn=ohkspyvN9dA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance
process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in
their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with
the C's rather than across purposes.

For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to
improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help
in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter
productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.

But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have
sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable
concept.

In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we
continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and
accountability in our folds.

Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting
> the form is not an optimal solution for now.
>
> Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up
> with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe
> NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance
> to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
> appropriate timeframe.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> best,
> Bruna
>
>
>
> Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today,
>> please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.
>>
>> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken
>> that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected,
>> thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good day
>>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
>>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG
>>> list on or before Friday.
>>> Regards
>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
>>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the following
>>> form:
>>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>>> Open in Forms
>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>>> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not the
>>> same email your collaborators received. Click here
>>> <https://support.google.com/drive/?p=courtesy_copy> to learn more. [image:
>>> Logo for Google Forms] <https://drive.google.com>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> @boomartins
> _______________________________________________
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 18:26:36 2019
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:26:36 -0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__oo8NjxmiU6m=DjSdNFxEVY+PdOkW=66zn=ohkspyvN9dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57603abb-666a-4b2c-854b-aa13a9027b28@docs-share.google.com>
 <00000000000092d203057ef4d274@google.com>
 <CAMc__orT8Vo_Zpi6CJdYZkxp4gtHADuZyQbwNwrAgDZcWswREQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NutHP9QKn8HWN5PEGq9P2bO0P0OBO+N52HS9HojfdGiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADAEEV0NxYYkYcdkYUM2L=FmX8YA=zj1qSO+1Uf80teSpf04HA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADAEEV0g2_A70XQmmo6kFX997oNsfAjZ1XKPy9u9KMJsr50B9w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Remmy,

I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in
both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week
that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we
can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we
could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the
constituency.

At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating
<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your
email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to
challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained,
we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the
committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given
that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the
proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading
through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then
starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the
deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the
FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another
layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for
that.

With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email
to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it.
While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going
to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or
sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and
I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving
anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be
shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just
so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that
the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working
with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.

Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting
ABRs ?

Best,
bruna

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> escreveu:

> Thanks Bruna
> Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance
> process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in
> their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with
> the C's rather than across purposes.
>
> For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to
> improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help
> in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter
> productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.
>
> But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have
> sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable
> concept.
>
> In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
> Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we
> continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and
> accountability in our folds.
>
> Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting
>> the form is not an optimal solution for now.
>>
>> Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up
>> with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe
>> NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance
>> to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
>> appropriate timeframe.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> best,
>> Bruna
>>
>>
>>
>> Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today,
>>> please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.
>>>
>>> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and
>>> taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data
>>> collected, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good day
>>>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the
>>>> process.
>>>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG
>>>> list on or before Friday.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>>>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
>>>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the following
>>>> form:
>>>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>> Open in Forms
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not the
>>>> same email your collaborators received. Click here
>>>> <https://support.google.com/drive/?p=courtesy_copy> to learn more. [image:
>>>> Logo for Google Forms] <https://drive.google.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> @boomartins
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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>


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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Jan 12 20:04:27 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:04:27 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV0g2_A70XQmmo6kFX997oNsfAjZ1XKPy9u9KMJsr50B9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57603abb-666a-4b2c-854b-aa13a9027b28@docs-share.google.com>
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 <CAMc__orT8Vo_Zpi6CJdYZkxp4gtHADuZyQbwNwrAgDZcWswREQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9ca32a93-6093-8a2a-6334-78effca60a9b@mail.utoronto.ca>

I would like to back Bruna up here.  Guys, we have to focus on substance.  So far, nobody has  a draft ABR that is circulating for comments.  Bruna and I should not have to do this ourselves.  I know that Farzi wound up drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.  Bruna and I are now doing the same.

Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some projets going, people.  After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on the forms.

Cheers Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
Dear Remmy,

I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.

At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for that.

With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.

Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ?

Best,
bruna

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.

For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.

But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.

In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.

Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.

Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the appropriate timeframe.

Thank you very much.

best,
Bruna



Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.

Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.
Regards
Remmy Nweke


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 20:14:34 2019
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:14:34 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
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Thanks for the response,
I must say you  misinterpreted my email as I did not  tend to challenge a
decision taken by the NCUC for whatever its worth as I thought I was
explicit enough.
However, for me asking FC to take over drafting of ABR in your email is a
throwback, which is not necessary instead of addressing the issues raised
including the imperative of FC Reps being included even in an extended
excom to enable the Reps understand where the Cs are headed to thereby
proactive.

I will not subscribe to your request also because it portends to say that
FC reps are less busy, even though it will amount to micromanaging the ABR
which we are supposed to oversee its implementation, thereby overreaching
itself. Its like saying that your external auditor should prepare your
accounts. This is aside that all of us have various degree of volunteerism
here and there.

I think the best the FC Reps can do is to ensure that transparency and
accountability prevails, hence the template concept was initiated to
actually fasttrack the submission and ease for every party against your
reasons for the decline which for me remain latent in practice and offered
an opposition to a platform for improved ABR submission from the NCSG.

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Remmy,
>
> I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in
> both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week
> that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we
> can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we
> could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the
> constituency.
>
> At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating
> <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your
> email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to
> challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained,
> we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the
> committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given
> that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the
> proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading
> through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then
> starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the
> deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the
> FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another
> layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for
> that.
>
> With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email
> to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it.
> While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going
> to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or
> sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and
> I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving
> anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be
> shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just
> so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that
> the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working
> with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.
>
> Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting
> ABRs ?
>
> Best,
> bruna
>
> Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> Thanks Bruna
>> Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance
>> process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in
>> their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with
>> the C's rather than across purposes.
>>
>> For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to
>> improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help
>> in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter
>> productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.
>>
>> But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have
>> sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable
>> concept.
>>
>> In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
>> Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we
>> continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and
>> accountability in our folds.
>>
>> Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting
>>> the form is not an optimal solution for now.
>>>
>>> Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up
>>> with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe
>>> NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance
>>> to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
>>> appropriate timeframe.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Bruna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today,
>>>> please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and
>>>> taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data
>>>> collected, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good day
>>>>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the
>>>>> process.
>>>>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG
>>>>> list on or before Friday.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>>>>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
>>>>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the
>>>>> following form:
>>>>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>> Open in Forms
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not the
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>>>
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>>>
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>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 20:22:55 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 13:22:55 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
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Hi Steph

Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with ICANN
staff as well as NCSG  members and NCUC members  for ABRs, looked over what
was accepted in other stakeholder groups and constituencies (that makes it
hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and members
comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC. NCSG EC
does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share with
them whatever you share with the mailing list in advance so that they don't
consider it as a late submission.

Here is the Google doc of ABRs last year:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpgItPf9siL-HnkuyDICL73y1NTg7B2UpmlKhk67CZU/edit

But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using
the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.

I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their
ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose.


Farzaneh


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I would like to back Bruna up here.  Guys, we have to focus on substance.
> So far, nobody has  a draft ABR that is circulating for comments.  Bruna
> and I should not have to do this ourselves.  I know that Farzi wound up
> drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.  Bruna and I are now doing the
> same.
>
> Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some
> projets going, people.  After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on
> the forms.
>
> Cheers Stephanie
> On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>
> Dear Remmy,
>
> I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in
> both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week
> that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we
> can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we
> could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the
> constituency.
>
> At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating
> <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your
> email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to
> challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained,
> we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the
> committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given
> that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the
> proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading
> through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then
> starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the
> deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the
> FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another
> layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for
> that.
>
> With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email
> to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it.
> While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going
> to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or
> sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and
> I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving
> anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be
> shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just
> so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that
> the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working
> with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.
>
> Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting
> ABRs ?
>
> Best,
> bruna
>
> Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> Thanks Bruna
>> Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance
>> process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in
>> their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with
>> the C's rather than across purposes.
>>
>> For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to
>> improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help
>> in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter
>> productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.
>>
>> But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have
>> sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable
>> concept.
>>
>> In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
>> Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we
>> continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and
>> accountability in our folds.
>>
>> Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting
>>> the form is not an optimal solution for now.
>>>
>>> Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up
>>> with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe
>>> NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance
>>> to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
>>> appropriate timeframe.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Bruna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today,
>>>> please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and
>>>> taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data
>>>> collected, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good day
>>>>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the
>>>>> process.
>>>>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG
>>>>> list on or before Friday.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>>>>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit
>>>>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the
>>>>> following form:
>>>>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>> Open in Forms
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not the
>>>>> same email your collaborators received. Click here
>>>>> <https://support.google.com/drive/?p=courtesy_copy> to learn more. [image:
>>>>> Logo for Google Forms] <https://drive.google.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>
>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>> @boomartins
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
>
> --
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> @boomartins
>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Jan 12 20:29:44 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:29:44 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
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Thanks Farzi.  I am sorry that we are so last minute.  I should have pushed this a while ago....

However, we still have time to come up with some good ABRs.  We don't need a doxen....we just need solid proposals that, as Farzi has said, the organization will have a hard time refusing.

cheers Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 13:22, farzaneh badii wrote:
Hi Steph

Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with ICANN staff as well as NCSG  members and NCUC members  for ABRs, looked over what was accepted in other stakeholder groups and constituencies (that makes it hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and members comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC. NCSG EC does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share with them whatever you share with the mailing list in advance so that they don't consider it as a late submission.

Here is the Google doc of ABRs last year: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpgItPf9siL-HnkuyDICL73y1NTg7B2UpmlKhk67CZU/edit

But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.

I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose.


Farzaneh


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

I would like to back Bruna up here.  Guys, we have to focus on substance.  So far, nobody has  a draft ABR that is circulating for comments.  Bruna and I should not have to do this ourselves.  I know that Farzi wound up drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.  Bruna and I are now doing the same.

Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some projets going, people.  After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on the forms.

Cheers Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
Dear Remmy,

I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.

At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for that.

With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.

Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ?

Best,
bruna

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.

For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.

But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.

In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.

Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.

Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the appropriate timeframe.

Thank you very much.

best,
Bruna



Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.

Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.
Regards
Remmy Nweke


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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 20:31:23 2019
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 16:31:23 -0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
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Thanks Farzi, I think we are trying to follow the same ad hoc process that
was conducted in the past year. I will send the form to both lists now in
order to ease the process.

Remmy, re. what you said I think we have a problem. While we are in need of
volunteers to help draft the ABRs and even get some ideas around (if you
had any you could help us by sharing them on the list), the Finance
Committee is basically saying this is not their job to do - while writing
ABRs is something we are trying to do on behalf of and for the stakeholder
group and its constituencies.

I believe that in order to fully oversee the implementation of our requests
- if we manage to get any of them out - the FC would need to actually know
them, as well as the submission process. By that we could do a proper
follow up of what worked and what didnt. And imho, helping us draft them
would be a way of getting the FC actually involved in the process.

Last but not least, I dont agre that anyone here is trying to micromanage
anyone. We are trying to actually put an ABR proposal forward and continue
to work for the constituencies. Such accusations do nothing but expose our
work. If after reading this email you continue to think asking the FC to
help us draft ABRs is an attempt of micromanaging, consider helping us
without your FC Hat and simply as constituency member - and if your other
volunteering work keeps you from doing so it is also fine. (I myself have
taken a few break from reading the Geonames public comment due to the ABRs)

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 16:29, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escreveu:

> Thanks Farzi.  I am sorry that we are so last minute.  I should have
> pushed this a while ago....
>
> However, we still have time to come up with some good ABRs.  We don't need
> a doxen....we just need solid proposals that, as Farzi has said, the
> organization will have a hard time refusing.
>
> cheers Stephanie
> On 2019-01-12 13:22, farzaneh badii wrote:
>
> Hi Steph
>
> Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with ICANN
> staff as well as NCSG  members and NCUC members  for ABRs, looked over what
> was accepted in other stakeholder groups and constituencies (that makes it
> hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and members
> comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC. NCSG EC
> does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share with
> them whatever you share with the mailing list in advance so that they don't
> consider it as a late submission.
>
> Here is the Google doc of ABRs last year:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpgItPf9siL-HnkuyDICL73y1NTg7B2UpmlKhk67CZU/edit
>
> But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using
> the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.
>
> I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their
> ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose.
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> I would like to back Bruna up here.  Guys, we have to focus on
>> substance.  So far, nobody has  a draft ABR that is circulating for
>> comments.  Bruna and I should not have to do this ourselves.  I know that
>> Farzi wound up drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.  Bruna and I
>> are now doing the same.
>>
>> Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some
>> projets going, people.  After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on
>> the forms.
>>
>> Cheers Stephanie
>> On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>
>> Dear Remmy,
>>
>> I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in
>> both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week
>> that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we
>> can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we
>> could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the
>> constituency.
>>
>> At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating
>> <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your
>> email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to
>> challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained,
>> we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the
>> committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given
>> that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the
>> proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading
>> through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then
>> starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the
>> deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the
>> FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another
>> layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for
>> that.
>>
>> With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my
>> email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft
>> it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not
>> going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft
>> anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work
>> together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help
>> us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs,
>> they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the
>> deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do
>> believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and
>> I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the
>> same.
>>
>> Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in
>> drafting ABRs ?
>>
>> Best,
>> bruna
>>
>> Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> Thanks Bruna
>>> Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to
>>> enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be
>>> included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in
>>> alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.
>>>
>>> For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment
>>> to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to
>>> help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already
>>> counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.
>>>
>>> But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have
>>> sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable
>>> concept.
>>>
>>> In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
>>> Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we
>>> continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and
>>> accountability in our folds.
>>>
>>> Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting
>>>> the form is not an optimal solution for now.
>>>>
>>>> Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up
>>>> with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe
>>>> NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance
>>>> to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
>>>> appropriate timeframe.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Bruna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated
>>>>> today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the
>>>>> deadline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and
>>>>> taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data
>>>>> collected, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good day
>>>>>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG
>>>>>> list on or before Friday.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>>>>>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to
>>>>>> edit
>>>>>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the
>>>>>> following form:
>>>>>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>>> Open in Forms
>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a courtesy copy of an email for your record only. It's not
>>>>>> the same email your collaborators received. Click here
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>>>>>>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Jan 12 20:37:38 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:37:38 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
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I agree with Bruna.  I am sorry, but I do not quite understand what you think your role is in the Finance Committee.  I have no time to discuss it now.  We have a day to come up with proposals.

Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 13:31, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
Thanks Farzi, I think we are trying to follow the same ad hoc process that was conducted in the past year. I will send the form to both lists now in order to ease the process.

Remmy, re. what you said I think we have a problem. While we are in need of volunteers to help draft the ABRs and even get some ideas around (if you had any you could help us by sharing them on the list), the Finance Committee is basically saying this is not their job to do - while writing ABRs is something we are trying to do on behalf of and for the stakeholder group and its constituencies.

I believe that in order to fully oversee the implementation of our requests - if we manage to get any of them out - the FC would need to actually know them, as well as the submission process. By that we could do a proper follow up of what worked and what didnt. And imho, helping us draft them would be a way of getting the FC actually involved in the process.

Last but not least, I dont agre that anyone here is trying to micromanage anyone. We are trying to actually put an ABR proposal forward and continue to work for the constituencies. Such accusations do nothing but expose our work. If after reading this email you continue to think asking the FC to help us draft ABRs is an attempt of micromanaging, consider helping us without your FC Hat and simply as constituency member - and if your other volunteering work keeps you from doing so it is also fine. (I myself have taken a few break from reading the Geonames public comment due to the ABRs)

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 16:29, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> escreveu:

Thanks Farzi.  I am sorry that we are so last minute.  I should have pushed this a while ago....

However, we still have time to come up with some good ABRs.  We don't need a doxen....we just need solid proposals that, as Farzi has said, the organization will have a hard time refusing.

cheers Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 13:22, farzaneh badii wrote:
Hi Steph

Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with ICANN staff as well as NCSG  members and NCUC members  for ABRs, looked over what was accepted in other stakeholder groups and constituencies (that makes it hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and members comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC. NCSG EC does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share with them whatever you share with the mailing list in advance so that they don't consider it as a late submission.

Here is the Google doc of ABRs last year: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpgItPf9siL-HnkuyDICL73y1NTg7B2UpmlKhk67CZU/edit

But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.

I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose.


Farzaneh


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

I would like to back Bruna up here.  Guys, we have to focus on substance.  So far, nobody has  a draft ABR that is circulating for comments.  Bruna and I should not have to do this ourselves.  I know that Farzi wound up drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.  Bruna and I are now doing the same.

Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some projets going, people.  After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on the forms.

Cheers Stephanie

On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
Dear Remmy,

I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.

At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for that.

With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.

Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ?

Best,
bruna

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.

For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.

But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.

In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.

Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.

Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the appropriate timeframe.

Thank you very much.

best,
Bruna



Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.

Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.
Regards
Remmy Nweke


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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 20:37:41 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 13:37:41 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
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Honestly, sometimes members don't even comment.

Maryam was a big help last year so if you can throw out some ideas on the
mailing list, I am sure she can help with drafting and fill in the forms.


Farzaneh


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:31 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Farzi, I think we are trying to follow the same ad hoc process that
> was conducted in the past year. I will send the form to both lists now in
> order to ease the process.
>
> Remmy, re. what you said I think we have a problem. While we are in need
> of volunteers to help draft the ABRs and even get some ideas around (if you
> had any you could help us by sharing them on the list), the Finance
> Committee is basically saying this is not their job to do - while writing
> ABRs is something we are trying to do on behalf of and for the stakeholder
> group and its constituencies.
>
> I believe that in order to fully oversee the implementation of our
> requests - if we manage to get any of them out - the FC would need to
> actually know them, as well as the submission process. By that we could do
> a proper follow up of what worked and what didnt. And imho, helping us
> draft them would be a way of getting the FC actually involved in the
> process.
>
> Last but not least, I dont agre that anyone here is trying to micromanage
> anyone. We are trying to actually put an ABR proposal forward and continue
> to work for the constituencies. Such accusations do nothing but expose our
> work. If after reading this email you continue to think asking the FC to
> help us draft ABRs is an attempt of micromanaging, consider helping us
> without your FC Hat and simply as constituency member - and if your other
> volunteering work keeps you from doing so it is also fine. (I myself have
> taken a few break from reading the Geonames public comment due to the ABRs)
>
> Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 16:29, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escreveu:
>
>> Thanks Farzi.  I am sorry that we are so last minute.  I should have
>> pushed this a while ago....
>>
>> However, we still have time to come up with some good ABRs.  We don't
>> need a doxen....we just need solid proposals that, as Farzi has said, the
>> organization will have a hard time refusing.
>>
>> cheers Stephanie
>> On 2019-01-12 13:22, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steph
>>
>> Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with
>> ICANN staff as well as NCSG  members and NCUC members  for ABRs, looked
>> over what was accepted in other stakeholder groups and constituencies (that
>> makes it hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and
>> members comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC.
>> NCSG EC does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share
>> with them whatever you share with the mailing list in advance so that they
>> don't consider it as a late submission.
>>
>> Here is the Google doc of ABRs last year:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpgItPf9siL-HnkuyDICL73y1NTg7B2UpmlKhk67CZU/edit
>>
>> But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using
>> the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.
>>
>> I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their
>> ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose.
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to back Bruna up here.  Guys, we have to focus on
>>> substance.  So far, nobody has  a draft ABR that is circulating for
>>> comments.  Bruna and I should not have to do this ourselves.  I know that
>>> Farzi wound up drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.  Bruna and I
>>> are now doing the same.
>>>
>>> Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some
>>> projets going, people.  After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on
>>> the forms.
>>>
>>> Cheers Stephanie
>>> On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Remmy,
>>>
>>> I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in
>>> both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week
>>> that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we
>>> can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we
>>> could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the
>>> constituency.
>>>
>>> At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating
>>> <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your
>>> email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to
>>> challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained,
>>> we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the
>>> committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given
>>> that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the
>>> proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading
>>> through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then
>>> starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the
>>> deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the
>>> FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another
>>> layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for
>>> that.
>>>
>>> With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my
>>> email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft
>>> it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not
>>> going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft
>>> anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work
>>> together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help
>>> us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs,
>>> they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the
>>> deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do
>>> believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and
>>> I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in
>>> drafting ABRs ?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> bruna
>>>
>>> Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Bruna
>>>> Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to
>>>> enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be
>>>> included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in
>>>> alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment
>>>> to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to
>>>> help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already
>>>> counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.
>>>>
>>>> But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have
>>>> sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable
>>>> concept.
>>>>
>>>> In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
>>>> Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we
>>>> continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and
>>>> accountability in our folds.
>>>>
>>>> Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that
>>>>> adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up
>>>>> with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe
>>>>> NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance
>>>>> to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the
>>>>> appropriate timeframe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> Bruna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated
>>>>>> today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the
>>>>>> deadline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and
>>>>>> taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data
>>>>>> collected, thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good day
>>>>>>> This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>> Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on
>>>>>>> NCSG list on or before Friday.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke (via Google Forms) <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019, 5:27 p.m.
>>>>>>> Subject: NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to
>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>> To: <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> has invited you to *edit* the
>>>>>>> following form:
>>>>>>> NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form
>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eil&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>>>> Open in Forms
>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YV0dz666KqgF1Hhudno-S4045Y7c1-X0ktVwrwEa_zQ/edit?usp=sharing_eip&ts=5c34cf75>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> the same email your collaborators received. Click here
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> @boomartins
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sun Jan 13 14:22:48 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:22:48 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
Message-ID: <jlvyffj40i3o7ym40k0cq3yk.1547382168077@email.android.com>

Dear members,
It has come to my attention that the FC and ECs of contituencies and NCSG (not sure about NPOC yet, not sure also if NCSG EC deliberated on this), but seems like we all cannot reach consensus on how the ABR process should work. Although some did not provide comment but just mentioned and saw the initiative as not appropriate.FOR purposes of submitting on time I would recommend that the leaders proceed according to their suggestions but be aware that the lack coordination make this tough for the FC.
Bear in mind that the NCSG chair was calling for the FC to help coordinate the submissions before the deadline.
My confusion comes when FC responds to the NCSG chair call by developing a google form which is eventually not used, but later a different form is used for the same purpose. The FC consults with members and leaders or was is supposed to circulate the google form? If members do not respond to ABR calls then we have a problem, meaning few members are either happy with the current status quo or understand how to participate, this is one of the reason why the FC needs to be more active with support within outside the SG.
As mentioned in another response the FC was not active but it now is and could use all the support. The issue of the charter needs to be revisited, seems like we tend to forget what the charter directions and stipulations state as we need to abide by respective precepts.
We need to avoid the use of strong language because nobody is fighting or under threat here. Disagreement and challenging are two different things, the FC cannot always agree with leaders and still have no intention to impose itself.
In attempt to ease the process of submission, the FC created this form to consult with leaders and their EC before final decisions are taken by appropriate committees. This was going to help with the drafting because the community would have made input.
The FC has never imposed itself on constituencies and this has been communicated and clarified in several emails.
Based on how the conversations on this thread are moving, it seems like there wont be collaborations amongst constitiencies and the SG meaning that everyone or committees will push their own idea or agenda.
Note: the FC is willing to help but clear instructions need to be given to void these types of disagreements. The FC cannot guess or draft ABRs without community input unless leaders and ECs will play that role.
The FC is here to also help new leaders intergrate not challenge them. We need to work together irrespective of how we may feel about it because the FC itself need the support of leaders to ensure NCSG has a firm financial footing.
What I am starting to take note of is that these power struggles taking place amongst committees and ECs are deeply rooted and not easy to uproot. We need to respect each others role and exercise fairness as leaders and representatives of our constituency, thanks.
@Stephanie, please indicate a clear way forward so that we can move.
Thato Mfikwe.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> Date: 12/01/2019  20:37  (GMT+02:00) To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Joan Kerr <fbscster at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form - Invitation to edit 
Honestly,?sometimes members don't even comment.?
Maryam was a big help last year so if you can throw out some ideas on the mailing list, I am sure she can help with drafting and fill in the forms.

Farzaneh 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:31 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Farzi, I think we are trying to follow the same ad hoc process that was conducted in the past year. I will send the form to both lists now in order to ease the process.?

Remmy, re. what you said I think we have a problem. While we are in need of volunteers to help draft the ABRs and even get some ideas around (if you had any you could help us by sharing them on the list), the Finance Committee is basically saying this is not their job to do - while writing ABRs is something we are trying to do on behalf of and for the stakeholder group and its constituencies.?
I believe that in order to fully oversee the implementation of our requests - if we manage to get any of them out - the FC would need to actually know them, as well as the submission process. By that we could do a proper follow up of what worked and what didnt. And imho, helping us draft them would be a way of getting the FC actually involved in the process.?
Last but not least, I dont agre that anyone here is trying to micromanage anyone. We are trying to actually put an ABR proposal forward and continue to work for the constituencies. Such accusations do nothing but expose our work. If after reading this email you continue to think asking the FC to help us draft ABRs is an attempt of micromanaging, consider helping us without your FC Hat and simply as constituency member - and if your other volunteering work keeps you from doing so it is also fine. (I myself have taken a few break from reading the Geonames public comment due to the ABRs)?
Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 16:29, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escreveu:





Thanks Farzi.? I am sorry that we are so last minute.? I should have pushed this a while ago....
However, we still have time to come up with some good ABRs.? We don't need a doxen....we just need solid proposals that, as Farzi has said, the organization will have a hard time refusing.
cheers Stephanie


On 2019-01-12 13:22, farzaneh badii wrote:





Hi Steph



Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with ICANN staff as well as NCSG? members and NCUC members? for ABRs, looked over what was accepted in other stakeholder groups
 and constituencies (that makes it hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and members comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC. NCSG EC does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share with them whatever
 you share with the mailing list in advance so that they don't consider it as a late submission.



Here is the Google doc of ABRs last year:?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpgItPf9siL-HnkuyDICL73y1NTg7B2UpmlKhk67CZU/edit



But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.



I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose.?









Farzaneh 










On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:




I would like to back Bruna up here.? Guys, we have to focus on substance.? So far, nobody has? a draft ABR that is circulating for comments.? Bruna and I should not have to do this ourselves.? I know that Farzi
 wound up drafting ABRs last year, at the last minute.? Bruna and I are now doing the same.



Process is important, but it does not replace substance. Let's get some projets going, people.? After Monday, you will have a whole year to work on the forms.
Cheers Stephanie



On 2019-01-12 11:26, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:



Dear Remmy,?



I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that
 communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.




At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am?misinterpretating?your
 email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.? As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible
 to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting
 to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when
 we really dont have time for that.?



With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why
 neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs,
 they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can,
 and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.?



Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ??



Best,?
bruna??




Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> escreveu:



Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than
 across purposes.



For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency
 and accountability effort by FC.



But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.



In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.



Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.




On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com wrote:




Dear all,?



NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.?



Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for
 next year's ABRs process, and with the appropriate timeframe.?



Thank you very much.?


best,?
Bruna?











Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> escreveu:



Hi all,



Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.



Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.



Thato Mfikwe.



On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:


Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.
Regards
Remmy Nweke







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Remmy
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NCSG
 Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form

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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 04:29:20 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:29:20 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-FC] kick off NCSG comment of ICANN Draft FY20 Operating
 Plan and Budget and Five-Year Operating Plan Update
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnayj=CgKbDUo1W_s8VAUYN04Tw_d3f4ANndYjjWrffiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThnayj=CgKbDUo1W_s8VAUYN04Tw_d3f4ANndYjjWrffiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkdu-sPQCd-xEJmarqquFd2gzNdQVDarktdQvu06POStQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

the deadline is the 8th Feb and we need to get started, ensuring also
enough time for comment review and consultation.
I understand there are already several point to start with and that can
help to move quickly for the drafting.

Best,

Rafik

Le lun. 7 janv. 2019 ? 22:18, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> I am sending this email so we can kick off the work on drafting NCSG
> comment for ICANN FY20 budget and operating plan
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OkFN5FKHPPGqT4hyJGjWRTE5IXJS8CbjusUMPo_5kng/edit
> .
> we have 1 month left to get the draft made and reviewed by membership and
> NCSG PC. We have already ongoing thread in NCSG list with several items but
> there is likely other areas to investigate in the proposed budget.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Jan 14 23:23:38 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:23:38 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Opening a bank account
Message-ID: <9981dd76-ac5e-4e63-b177-3e2d3ea29e9f@mail.utoronto.ca>

As promised, I have opened a bank account for NCSG under my name at the Royal Bank of Canada, Pakenham Ontario Branch.  I have named Tamir Israel of CIPPIC as an "or" cosigner, which means either one can sign a cheque.  This will of course only be used if I get hit by a bus, which is a really bad joke in Ottawa these days because we just had a dreadful bus crash which killed three people.  (proving that even old expressions like that one have meaning.)

The account is free, because I am a senior, and I can write cheques or do e-transfers with it.  I think it is all we need for now, but if someone like PIR wants to write us a cheque, they have to write it to me on behalf of NCSG so that I can deposit it.  I think we are stuck with that reality until we create an entity.  Even a non-incorporated ngo would have to have a business number, which has tax implications, so this is our best solution.  I will forward the bank details, transit numbers etc. as soon as these numbers are available online.  I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval).

I am happy to discuss any aspects of this either on the list or on our next call.  Advice from Milton, who has so ably managed our money in NCUC for many years, would be most welcome.

Cheers Stephanie
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 00:13:06 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:13:06 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Opening a bank account
In-Reply-To: <9981dd76-ac5e-4e63-b177-3e2d3ea29e9f@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <9981dd76-ac5e-4e63-b177-3e2d3ea29e9f@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NtSh9hHSofmckxBDSm0MVRxb_Jc-6Y=5PQm=HAD0X0OWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stephanie,

I just saw your statement on the mailing list regarding the bank account as
follows:


" I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any
funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of
course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee
canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing
(oversight, not approval). "

1. If my memory serves me well, the last time NCSG FC discussed the bank
account there was no way forward, not sure how this decision was reached
because the FC was yet to investigate and discuss the matter before any
action taken according to your comments during an online meeting and on the
mailing list, correct me if I am mistaken, maybe I am losing something here.

2. What provoked this action from your side?

3. Please kindly clarify what you mean by oversight not approval? Are you
referring to the FC and/or the PC of NCSG? If any, please also carefully
review section 2.6 of NCSG charter because the charter is the guiding
document of NCSG activities and committees, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:23 PM Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> As promised, I have opened a bank account for NCSG under my name at the
> Royal Bank of Canada, Pakenham Ontario Branch.  I have named Tamir Israel
> of CIPPIC as an "or" cosigner, which means either one can sign a cheque.
> This will of course only be used if I get hit by a bus, which is a really
> bad joke in Ottawa these days because we just had a dreadful bus crash
> which killed three people.  (proving that even old expressions like that
> one have meaning.)
>
> The account is free, because I am a senior, and I can write cheques or do
> e-transfers with it.  I think it is all we need for now, but if someone
> like PIR wants to write us a cheque, they have to write it to me on behalf
> of NCSG so that I can deposit it.  I think we are stuck with that reality
> until we create an entity.  Even a non-incorporated ngo would have to have
> a business number, which has tax implications, so this is our best
> solution.  I will forward the bank details, transit numbers etc. as soon as
> these numbers are available online.  I am happy to sign a letter that
> acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf
> of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of
> the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a
> function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval).
>
> I am happy to discuss any aspects of this either on the list or on our
> next call.  Advice from Milton, who has so ably managed our money in NCUC
> for many years, would be most welcome.
>
> Cheers Stephanie
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 00:29:53 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 22:29:53 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Opening a bank account
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NtSh9hHSofmckxBDSm0MVRxb_Jc-6Y=5PQm=HAD0X0OWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9981dd76-ac5e-4e63-b177-3e2d3ea29e9f@mail.utoronto.ca>
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Message-ID: <debeb210-3e29-6ad3-7a50-9b4511aab033@mail.utoronto.ca>

What procedures have we been following in the past Thato?  I am happy to follow them, but to the best of my knowledge they do not exist.

Separation of duties is normal in financial accountability procedures.  EC is responsible for delegation of authority to spend (they make the decision about who gets funded with the PIR money), FC is accountable for oversight.  RIght now, nobody is taking responsibility for paying the bills, except me.  Farzi did it before me.

Now I have spent days on this, answering emails and trying to respond to everybody.  If we don't open a bank account, we won't get any money.  I am getting a bit grouchy, I will respond once I get to Toronto where we have a major battle looming on the EPDP.  If people did not trust me, they should not have elected me Chair, and I will cheerfully step down if that is the case.  Oh and apparently, according to Milton, who has been accepting the PIR money for many years, we will need a business number that they recognize.  That will be my next job, registering a non-entity for a business number, and ensuring that it has non-tax status.

THis is not a simple matter and I would apprecaite support


Kind regards, Stephanie

On 2019-01-14 17:13, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
Hi Stephanie,

I just saw your statement on the mailing list regarding the bank account as follows:


" I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval). "

1. If my memory serves me well, the last time NCSG FC discussed the bank account there was no way forward, not sure how this decision was reached because the FC was yet to investigate and discuss the matter before any action taken according to your comments during an online meeting and on the mailing list, correct me if I am mistaken, maybe I am losing something here.

2. What provoked this action from your side?

3. Please kindly clarify what you mean by oversight not approval? Are you referring to the FC and/or the PC of NCSG? If any, please also carefully review section 2.6 of NCSG charter because the charter is the guiding document of NCSG activities and committees, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:23 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

As promised, I have opened a bank account for NCSG under my name at the Royal Bank of Canada, Pakenham Ontario Branch.  I have named Tamir Israel of CIPPIC as an "or" cosigner, which means either one can sign a cheque.  This will of course only be used if I get hit by a bus, which is a really bad joke in Ottawa these days because we just had a dreadful bus crash which killed three people.  (proving that even old expressions like that one have meaning.)

The account is free, because I am a senior, and I can write cheques or do e-transfers with it.  I think it is all we need for now, but if someone like PIR wants to write us a cheque, they have to write it to me on behalf of NCSG so that I can deposit it.  I think we are stuck with that reality until we create an entity.  Even a non-incorporated ngo would have to have a business number, which has tax implications, so this is our best solution.  I will forward the bank details, transit numbers etc. as soon as these numbers are available online.  I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval).

I am happy to discuss any aspects of this either on the list or on our next call.  Advice from Milton, who has so ably managed our money in NCUC for many years, would be most welcome.

Cheers Stephanie

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NCSG-FC mailing list
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https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc



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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 00:57:32 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:57:32 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Opening a bank account
In-Reply-To: <debeb210-3e29-6ad3-7a50-9b4511aab033@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <9981dd76-ac5e-4e63-b177-3e2d3ea29e9f@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <CAGZi7NtSh9hHSofmckxBDSm0MVRxb_Jc-6Y=5PQm=HAD0X0OWw@mail.gmail.com>
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I fully support Stephanie's action on this matter. It was a last resort
action, but it's needed because Stephanie's personal money is at stake. The
finance committee since at least June 2018 has been stuck in drafting the
operating procedures, it did not come to consensus over its terms and
delayed resolving the issues until now. Meanwhile, I had to pay out of
pocket to keep the NCSG services going and now Stephanie has to It's
totally unfair.

The chair cannot just continuously pay out of pocket and wait for being
reimbursed because the Finance Committee cannot come up with a solution. I
100% trust Stephanie in being the account holder and I am sure she will
come up with a consultative solution later on. The current NCUC funder also
knows Stephanie very well and it won't cause a problem with that regard
should they decide to send the money to NCSG. Also note that she won't be
the treasurer, so she doesn't unilaterally decide on the approval of funds.

I encourage the Finance Committee to resolve issues of the operating
procedures and have a lightweight process in place for disbursement of the
fund which should be approved by EC. I thank Stephanie for accepting this
responsibility for now.


Best




Farzaneh


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:29 PM Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> What procedures have we been following in the past Thato?  I am happy to
> follow them, but to the best of my knowledge they do not exist.
>
> Separation of duties is normal in financial accountability procedures.  EC
> is responsible for delegation of authority to spend (they make the decision
> about who gets funded with the PIR money), FC is accountable for
> oversight.  RIght now, nobody is taking responsibility for paying the
> bills, except me.  Farzi did it before me.
>
> Now I have spent days on this, answering emails and trying to respond to
> everybody.  If we don't open a bank account, we won't get any money.  I am
> getting a bit grouchy, I will respond once I get to Toronto where we have a
> major battle looming on the EPDP.  If people did not trust me, they should
> not have elected me Chair, and I will cheerfully step down if that is the
> case.  Oh and apparently, according to Milton, who has been accepting the
> PIR money for many years, we will need a business number that they
> recognize.  That will be my next job, registering a non-entity for a
> business number, and ensuring that it has non-tax status.
>
> THis is not a simple matter and I would apprecaite support
>
>
> Kind regards, Stephanie
> On 2019-01-14 17:13, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I just saw your statement on the mailing list regarding the bank account
> as follows:
>
>
> " I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any
> funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of
> course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee
> canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing
> (oversight, not approval). "
>
> 1. If my memory serves me well, the last time NCSG FC discussed the bank
> account there was no way forward, not sure how this decision was reached
> because the FC was yet to investigate and discuss the matter before any
> action taken according to your comments during an online meeting and on the
> mailing list, correct me if I am mistaken, maybe I am losing something here.
>
> 2. What provoked this action from your side?
>
> 3. Please kindly clarify what you mean by oversight not approval? Are you
> referring to the FC and/or the PC of NCSG? If any, please also carefully
> review section 2.6 of NCSG charter because the charter is the guiding
> document of NCSG activities and committees, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:23 PM Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> As promised, I have opened a bank account for NCSG under my name at the
>> Royal Bank of Canada, Pakenham Ontario Branch.  I have named Tamir Israel
>> of CIPPIC as an "or" cosigner, which means either one can sign a cheque.
>> This will of course only be used if I get hit by a bus, which is a really
>> bad joke in Ottawa these days because we just had a dreadful bus crash
>> which killed three people.  (proving that even old expressions like that
>> one have meaning.)
>>
>> The account is free, because I am a senior, and I can write cheques or do
>> e-transfers with it.  I think it is all we need for now, but if someone
>> like PIR wants to write us a cheque, they have to write it to me on behalf
>> of NCSG so that I can deposit it.  I think we are stuck with that reality
>> until we create an entity.  Even a non-incorporated ngo would have to have
>> a business number, which has tax implications, so this is our best
>> solution.  I will forward the bank details, transit numbers etc. as soon as
>> these numbers are available online.  I am happy to sign a letter that
>> acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf
>> of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of
>> the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a
>> function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval).
>>
>> I am happy to discuss any aspects of this either on the list or on our
>> next call.  Advice from Milton, who has so ably managed our money in NCUC
>> for many years, would be most welcome.
>>
>> Cheers Stephanie
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing listNCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 01:57:04 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:57:04 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Additional Budget Request (ABR) Form -
 Invitation to edit
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__oqt1Ye3kb23yNDNsaAJJvYL9wjpprgbSCSTdsuCZWgpRg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for clarifying.  Indeed, we do seem to be talking past each other.  Who do you see as responsible for developing the proposals for ABRs?

I am going to actually start tracking how much time the NCSG Chair spends replying to emails, taking required administrative actions, writing letters, comments, and in this case ABRs, paying bills and seeking reimbursements, etc.  I think this would be be useful next year at election time, so that individuals running for office would have a realistic impression of the actual workload; I don't think it has been accurately logged before on a spreadsheet so I will try to set that up over the next little while and check it.  I am accustomed to workload management spreadsheets, as I am sure all of us are, and I do think that a little scrutiny of actual workload would help us in developing procedures and workload delegation.

cheers Stephanie


On 2019-01-12 13:14, Remmy Nweke wrote:
Thanks for the response,
I must say you  misinterpreted my email as I did not  tend to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC for whatever its worth as I thought I was explicit enough.
However, for me asking FC to take over drafting of ABR in your email is a throwback, which is not necessary instead of addressing the issues raised including the imperative of FC Reps being included even in an extended excom to enable the Reps understand where the Cs are headed to thereby proactive.

I will not subscribe to your request also because it portends to say that FC reps are less busy, even though it will amount to micromanaging the ABR which we are supposed to oversee its implementation, thereby overreaching itself. Its like saying that your external auditor should prepare your accounts. This is aside that all of us have various degree of volunteerism here and there.

I think the best the FC Reps can do is to ensure that transparency and accountability prevails, hence the template concept was initiated to actually fasttrack the submission and ease for every party against your reasons for the decline which for me remain latent in practice and offered an opposition to a platform for improved ABR submission from the NCSG.

Have a good evening.
____
REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Remmy,

I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.

At the same time, Remmy, I hope I am misinterpretating<https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misinterpretating> your email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee.  As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when we really dont have time for that.

With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs, they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can, and I do believe that the FC is doing the same.

Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ?

Best,
bruna

Em s?b, 12 de jan de 2019 ?s 07:40, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Thanks Bruna
Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than across purposes.

For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency and accountability effort by FC.

But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.

In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.
Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.

Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 7:44 p.m. Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now.

Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for next year's ABRs process, and with the appropriate timeframe.

Thank you very much.

best,
Bruna



Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 ?s 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> escreveu:
Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.

Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Good day
This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.
Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 02:07:55 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:07:55 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Opening a bank account
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THanks Farzi, and as I have said from the get go, I am happy to follow whatever procedures we have developed but we cannot afford to leave the PIR money in limbo any longer, we need to open an account in the name of NCSG>

Let me know if I can help with the procedures.

Stephanie

On 2019-01-14 17:57, farzaneh badii wrote:
I fully support Stephanie's action on this matter. It was a last resort action, but it's needed because Stephanie's personal money is at stake. The finance committee since at least June 2018 has been stuck in drafting the operating procedures, it did not come to consensus over its terms and delayed resolving the issues until now. Meanwhile, I had to pay out of pocket to keep the NCSG services going and now Stephanie has to It's totally unfair.

The chair cannot just continuously pay out of pocket and wait for being reimbursed because the Finance Committee cannot come up with a solution. I 100% trust Stephanie in being the account holder and I am sure she will come up with a consultative solution later on. The current NCUC funder also knows Stephanie very well and it won't cause a problem with that regard should they decide to send the money to NCSG. Also note that she won't be the treasurer, so she doesn't unilaterally decide on the approval of funds.

I encourage the Finance Committee to resolve issues of the operating procedures and have a lightweight process in place for disbursement of the fund which should be approved by EC. I thank Stephanie for accepting this responsibility for now.


Best




Farzaneh


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:29 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

What procedures have we been following in the past Thato?  I am happy to follow them, but to the best of my knowledge they do not exist.

Separation of duties is normal in financial accountability procedures.  EC is responsible for delegation of authority to spend (they make the decision about who gets funded with the PIR money), FC is accountable for oversight.  RIght now, nobody is taking responsibility for paying the bills, except me.  Farzi did it before me.

Now I have spent days on this, answering emails and trying to respond to everybody.  If we don't open a bank account, we won't get any money.  I am getting a bit grouchy, I will respond once I get to Toronto where we have a major battle looming on the EPDP.  If people did not trust me, they should not have elected me Chair, and I will cheerfully step down if that is the case.  Oh and apparently, according to Milton, who has been accepting the PIR money for many years, we will need a business number that they recognize.  That will be my next job, registering a non-entity for a business number, and ensuring that it has non-tax status.

THis is not a simple matter and I would apprecaite support


Kind regards, Stephanie

On 2019-01-14 17:13, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
Hi Stephanie,

I just saw your statement on the mailing list regarding the bank account as follows:


" I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval). "

1. If my memory serves me well, the last time NCSG FC discussed the bank account there was no way forward, not sure how this decision was reached because the FC was yet to investigate and discuss the matter before any action taken according to your comments during an online meeting and on the mailing list, correct me if I am mistaken, maybe I am losing something here.

2. What provoked this action from your side?

3. Please kindly clarify what you mean by oversight not approval? Are you referring to the FC and/or the PC of NCSG? If any, please also carefully review section 2.6 of NCSG charter because the charter is the guiding document of NCSG activities and committees, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:23 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

As promised, I have opened a bank account for NCSG under my name at the Royal Bank of Canada, Pakenham Ontario Branch.  I have named Tamir Israel of CIPPIC as an "or" cosigner, which means either one can sign a cheque.  This will of course only be used if I get hit by a bus, which is a really bad joke in Ottawa these days because we just had a dreadful bus crash which killed three people.  (proving that even old expressions like that one have meaning.)

The account is free, because I am a senior, and I can write cheques or do e-transfers with it.  I think it is all we need for now, but if someone like PIR wants to write us a cheque, they have to write it to me on behalf of NCSG so that I can deposit it.  I think we are stuck with that reality until we create an entity.  Even a non-incorporated ngo would have to have a business number, which has tax implications, so this is our best solution.  I will forward the bank details, transit numbers etc. as soon as these numbers are available online.  I am happy to sign a letter that acknowledges my accountability for any funds that I will deposit on behalf of NCSG, and any payments will of course be made only with the consent of the NCSG-EC; the Finance Committee canbe cc'd on those if that is a function that you wish to commence doing (oversight, not approval).

I am happy to discuss any aspects of this either on the list or on our next call.  Advice from Milton, who has so ably managed our money in NCUC for many years, would be most welcome.

Cheers Stephanie

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 07:26:53 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:26:53 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Here are two ABRs to consider
Message-ID: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>

Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 11:25:49 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:25:49 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
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Ho Stephanie,

There are no attachments on this email. Please resend, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Tuesday, January 15, 2019, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help,
> and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if
> you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get
> them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a
> train to Toronto for the EPDP.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Stephanie
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 13:53:37 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:53:37 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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On 2019-01-15 06:44, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

So sorry, I forgot the google link! So much for working late....https://docs.google.com/document/d/102YzYI5uS2fGWS1FbhyaTACfRlPgxRam_h3cUasWzDQ/edit

On 2019-01-15 06:40, Ars?ne Tungali wrote:

Stephanie,

I am afraid you maybe forgot to make attachments? I cannot see the
ABRs you are reffering to.

Thanks,
Arsene

2019-01-15 7:26 UTC+02:00, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and
to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you
would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them
to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to
Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie


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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 13:54:07 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:54:07 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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On 2019-01-15 06:46, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

I asked Maryam to check.  Thanks

On 2019-01-15 06:24, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden


??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie




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From plommer at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 10:45:33 2019
From: plommer at gmail.com (Raoul Plommer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:45:33 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-EC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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I think the slack license should be bought from the communication/website
budget, that we get $9000/yr from ICANN.

-Raoul

Stephanie Perrin via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> kirjoitti ti 15.
tammik. 2019 klo 7.27:

> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help,
> and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if
> you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get
> them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a
> train to Toronto for the EPDP.
>
> Thanks!
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Jan 15 13:24:08 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:24:08 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
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Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden

??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.
>
> Thanks!
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 13:40:04 2019
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:40:04 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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Message-ID: <CABDXvWqiM_-DyYdSRJAm+_yuEPyUhN+tXME7bKy13bLdVKgpPg@mail.gmail.com>

Stephanie,

I am afraid you maybe forgot to make attachments? I cannot see the
ABRs you are reffering to.

Thanks,
Arsene

2019-01-15 7:26 UTC+02:00, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and
> to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you
> would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them
> to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to
> Toronto for the EPDP.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Stephanie
>


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<http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
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Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*


From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Tue Jan 15 13:44:57 2019
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:44:57 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <CABDXvWqiM_-DyYdSRJAm+_yuEPyUhN+tXME7bKy13bLdVKgpPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <CABDXvWqiM_-DyYdSRJAm+_yuEPyUhN+tXME7bKy13bLdVKgpPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1fa44112-24f3-a3af-3377-b1e1b953b0e8@digitaldiscretion.ca>

So sorry, I forgot the google link! So much for working 
late....https://docs.google.com/document/d/102YzYI5uS2fGWS1FbhyaTACfRlPgxRam_h3cUasWzDQ/edit

On 2019-01-15 06:40, Ars?ne Tungali wrote:
> Stephanie,
>
> I am afraid you maybe forgot to make attachments? I cannot see the
> ABRs you are reffering to.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> 2019-01-15 7:26 UTC+02:00, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and
>> to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you
>> would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them
>> to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to
>> Toronto for the EPDP.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Tue Jan 15 13:46:05 2019
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:46:05 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
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Message-ID: <ea4977ab-adc3-9d25-f6c5-a816186ebec6@digitaldiscretion.ca>

I asked Maryam to check.? Thanks

On 2019-01-15 06:24, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the 
> submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?
>
> Best wishes,
> Ayden
>
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks.? Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their 
>> help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.? Please let 
>> me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I 
>> would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on 
>> time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>
>
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 14:24:13 2019
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:24:13 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <b5b08d1e-3741-8fe5-a362-e64351bc41d1@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
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Message-ID: <CABDXvWrKiPbje2GhKrYsp0=_rN9ryuJ+8aeEi61=cQetcRxmaA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Stephanie,

I have reviewed both ABRs and I think they look great, i have made
minor edits though. I understand the time constraints that led this to
be done in hurry, we would have done better.

I have a comment on the second one about the training on security
issues. This comment was also made by Farell on the Google doc but
wanted to bring it here and weigh in for archiving purposes.

Given that we are asking for funding to bring in some participants and
have the workshop be held a day prior or after an ICANN meeting, I
think to make our submission stronger, we might need to to be clear
and focus such as by requesting for specific trainers who will help
design a specific curriculum on a specific subjet. Rather than relying
on groups such as the SSAC not mentionning a specific name or so.

I too think we are too vague and this may affect our submission.

Just wanted to throw this here.

Regards,
Arsene

2019-01-15 13:54 UTC+02:00, Stephanie Perrin
<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>
> On 2019-01-15 06:46, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> I asked Maryam to check.  Thanks
>
> On 2019-01-15 06:24, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of
> ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?
>
> Best wishes,
> Ayden
>
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and
> to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you
> would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them
> to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to
> Toronto for the EPDP.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Stephanie
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*


From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Tue Jan 15 14:47:31 2019
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:47:31 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <8624BF1F-5006-4E55-ADB0-EFD64F111783@icann.org>

Dear Ayden, Stephanie, All,

I see this information from the Finance committee wiki<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=96213580>:
?         FY20 Budget Requests Submitted - Pending Due Date 25 Jan 2019
Based on this, I am assuming the deadline has been extended.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Reply-To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 at 11:24
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Cc: NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, Bruna Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider

Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden


??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 19:16:38 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:16:38 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <8624BF1F-5006-4E55-ADB0-EFD64F111783@icann.org>
References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
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Message-ID: <d623d38c-ce33-e599-c925-9fa20d98f19e@mail.utoronto.ca>

wonderful, that gives us time to resolve some of the excellent comments we got.

On 2019-01-15 07:47, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
Dear Ayden, Stephanie, All,

I see this information from the Finance committee wiki<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=96213580>:
?         FY20 Budget Requests Submitted - Pending Due Date 25 Jan 2019
Based on this, I am assuming the deadline has been extended.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Reply-To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 at 11:24
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Cc: NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, Bruna Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com><mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider

Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden


??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 15 19:30:41 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:30:41 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <d623d38c-ce33-e599-c925-9fa20d98f19e@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
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 <d623d38c-ce33-e599-c925-9fa20d98f19e@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <b9f8e3a0-732c-d9c8-cbef-f829932d0251@mail.utoronto.ca>

perhaps though we should verify that this is indeed the case.  I would hate to find out afterwards that we missed the deadline....


On 2019-01-15 12:16, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

wonderful, that gives us time to resolve some of the excellent comments we got.

On 2019-01-15 07:47, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
Dear Ayden, Stephanie, All,

I see this information from the Finance committee wiki<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=96213580>:
?         FY20 Budget Requests Submitted - Pending Due Date 25 Jan 2019
Based on this, I am assuming the deadline has been extended.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Reply-To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 at 11:24
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Cc: NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, Bruna Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com><mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider

Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden


??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie




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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Tue Jan 15 19:34:10 2019
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:34:10 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
In-Reply-To: <b9f8e3a0-732c-d9c8-cbef-f829932d0251@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <3c4a8f98-d0bc-861f-5226-6e73e872f608@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <Ziq0zWBnFpPCZL8gqZBRLQJMmnsUwZnsBS9wG_nbjj1QIoyAv-8LfAu2RRN4flOsCCLMuFu5iNZ-hbND-Hybpc6TJTFuqWNtwAfptRHZVfM=@ferdeline.com>
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 <d623d38c-ce33-e599-c925-9fa20d98f19e@mail.utoronto.ca>,
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Message-ID: <5F613F78-301D-49A1-B525-7583818FEE94@icann.org>

Hi Stephanie,

I confirmed from ICANN staff that 25th of Jan is the deadline.

?
Many thanks,


Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777?

On 15 Jan 2019, at 17:31, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:


perhaps though we should verify that this is indeed the case.  I would hate to find out afterwards that we missed the deadline....


On 2019-01-15 12:16, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

wonderful, that gives us time to resolve some of the excellent comments we got.

On 2019-01-15 07:47, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
Dear Ayden, Stephanie, All,

I see this information from the Finance committee wiki<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=96213580>:
?         FY20 Budget Requests Submitted - Pending Due Date 25 Jan 2019
Based on this, I am assuming the deadline has been extended.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Reply-To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 at 11:24
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Cc: NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, Bruna Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com><mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider

Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden


??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie




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From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:03:09 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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Great news, thanks so much Maryam.  Now I will go in and fix the edits at a more leisurely pace....

cheers stephanie

On 2019-01-15 12:34, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
Hi Stephanie,

I confirmed from ICANN staff that 25th of Jan is the deadline.

?
Many thanks,


Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777?

On 15 Jan 2019, at 17:31, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:


perhaps though we should verify that this is indeed the case.  I would hate to find out afterwards that we missed the deadline....


On 2019-01-15 12:16, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

wonderful, that gives us time to resolve some of the excellent comments we got.

On 2019-01-15 07:47, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
Dear Ayden, Stephanie, All,

I see this information from the Finance committee wiki<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=96213580>:
?         FY20 Budget Requests Submitted - Pending Due Date 25 Jan 2019
Based on this, I am assuming the deadline has been extended.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Reply-To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM><mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 at 11:24
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Cc: NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, Bruna Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com><mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Here are two ABRs to consider

Perhaps Maryam can clarify, but I thought the deadline for the submission of ABRs was on the 25th of this month? Or is it tomorrow?

Best wishes,
Ayden


??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:26 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:


Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help, and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a train to Toronto for the EPDP.

Thanks!

Stephanie




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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 20:35:16 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:35:16 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [NCSG-EC] Here are two ABRs to consider
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That budget is for maintaining CIVI where we are keeping personal
information of our members which is very important to be maintained and
secured by a managed service. Hence I do not recommend using that budget
for any other purpose unless it is not used.

Farzaneh


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:45 AM Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> I think the slack license should be bought from the communication/website
> budget, that we get $9000/yr from ICANN.
>
> -Raoul
>
> Stephanie Perrin via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> kirjoitti ti 15.
> tammik. 2019 klo 7.27:
>
>> Hi Folks.  Here are two ABRs, thanks to Bruna and Farzi for their help,
>> and to Ayden for the idea about the Slack licence.  Please let me know if
>> you would like further changes, I promised Maryam that I would try to get
>> them to her early so that she can get them in on time....I will be on a
>> train to Toronto for the EPDP.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Stephanie
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 17:50:06 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 17:50:06 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nt15doj-xy7yZ+YOSp3kc3_fSXzgkCT7P2H5D1F03O=Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so
that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting
can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,
will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability
of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we
have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.

Proposed agenda of the meeting:

1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
- Consolidation of Operational procudures
- Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
- Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
- Fundraising for NCSG
- NCSG priorities and plans

2. FY20 ABR submissions

3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan

4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments (Reserve
fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs amongst
other focus areas)

5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64

Looking forward to your comments, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 18:44:12 2019
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 14:44:12 -0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
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Hello Thato,

Thank you very much for sharing the agenda with us.

I would like to seek clarification in two points:
(a) Could you elaborate a bit on what the discussion about the FY-20 ABRs
will be ?
(b) Does the FC  plans to meet in Kobe? If so did you secure your
participation at the meeting or this is something yet to be confirmed ?

When Maryam shares the doodle with us I will respond with my availability
in the proposed week.

best,
bruna

Em seg, 28 de jan de 2019 ?s 14:26, Joan Kerr <fbscster at gmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi Thato, All
>
> Excellent agenda.  When Maryam sends the doodle, I will respond.
> Regards,
>
>
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> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:50 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so
>> that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting
>> can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,
>> will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability
>> of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we
>> have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.
>>
>> Proposed agenda of the meeting:
>>
>> 1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
>> - Consolidation of Operational procudures
>> - Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
>> - Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
>> - Fundraising for NCSG
>> - NCSG priorities and plans
>>
>> 2. FY20 ABR submissions
>>
>> 3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan
>>
>> 4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments
>> (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs
>> amongst other focus areas)
>>
>> 5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64
>>
>> Looking forward to your comments, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Jan 28 19:03:13 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 17:03:13 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
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Nobody appeared to be listening in to the GNSO budget cttee call this morning, where we discussed their comment on the strategic plan.  I would suggest that folks on the finance committee address the NCSG comment now, Austin has done a draft.  It would appear nobody has bothered with this and it is rather important, due Feb 11.

I am of course unclear on what the FC wishes to focus on, but the budget ought to be in scope in my view.

cheers Stephanie

PS here is the US tax form we may have to fill out in the event that we send any PIR money ought of the US.  https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8bene.pdf  Your guidance on how to fill it out would be appreciated, I think I have figured it out but always good to have a second or third set of eyes.  Please note that there are serious legal implications of forming an entity, which we need a discussion on.  IN the meantime, it is quite hard to figure out what we are, for these legal purposes.

On 2019-01-28 10:50, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
Hi all,

As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,  will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.

Proposed agenda of the meeting:

1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
- Consolidation of Operational procudures
- Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
- Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
- Fundraising for NCSG
- NCSG priorities and plans

2. FY20 ABR submissions

3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan

4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs amongst other focus areas)

5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64

Looking forward to your comments, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.



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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 19:40:05 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:40:05 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
Message-ID: <7ujeqo86jcpfs40kc4t9c9aa.1548697205081@email.android.com>

Hi Stephanie,
I started with comments on the strat plan if that helps but also asking other members to contribute to the comment. Please revisit the Google doc if needed.
Not only the budget but there are also other aspects needing attention as per the commumication below.
Thato Mfikwe.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> Date: 28/01/2019  19:03  (GMT+02:00) To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019 

Nobody appeared to be listening in to the GNSO budget cttee call this morning, where we discussed their comment on the strategic plan.? I would suggest that folks on the finance committee address the NCSG comment
 now, Austin has done a draft.? It would appear nobody has bothered with this and it is rather important, due Feb 11.
I am of course unclear on what the FC wishes to focus on, but the budget ought to be in scope in my view.
cheers Stephanie
PS here is the US tax form we may have to fill out in the event that we send any PIR money ought of the US.?

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8bene.pdf? Your guidance on how to fill it out would be appreciated, I think I have figured it out but always good to have a second or third set of eyes.? Please note that there are serious legal implications of forming
 an entity, which we need a discussion on.? IN the meantime, it is quite hard to figure out what we are, for these legal purposes.


On 2019-01-28 10:50, Thato Mfikwe wrote:




Hi all,



As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,? will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle
 for us, so please confirm the suitability of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.



Proposed agenda of the meeting:



1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
- Consolidation of Operational procudures
- Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
- Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
- Fundraising for NCSG
- NCSG priorities and plans



2. FY20 ABR submissions



3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan



4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs amongst other focus areas)



5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64 



Looking forward to your comments, thanks.





Thato Mfikwe.






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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 21:51:21 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:51:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
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Hi Bruna,

a. Regarding FY20 ABR, the discussion would be around listing and
discussion submitted ABRs and on how to best enhance the submission process
moving forward, this would also be in preparation for ICANN64, especially
in relation to priorities and needs assessment.
.
b. The FC plans to facilitate a meeting with NCSG members during ICANN64, a
meeting request has been submitted and now awaiting approval. The FC will
be represented at ICANN64 to facilitate the meeting sessions if the request
gets approval.


Thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:44 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Thato,
>
> Thank you very much for sharing the agenda with us.
>
> I would like to seek clarification in two points:
> (a) Could you elaborate a bit on what the discussion about the FY-20 ABRs
> will be ?
> (b) Does the FC  plans to meet in Kobe? If so did you secure your
> participation at the meeting or this is something yet to be confirmed ?
>
> When Maryam shares the doodle with us I will respond with my availability
> in the proposed week.
>
> best,
> bruna
>
> Em seg, 28 de jan de 2019 ?s 14:26, Joan Kerr <fbscster at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> Hi Thato, All
>>
>> Excellent agenda.  When Maryam sends the doodle, I will respond.
>> Regards,
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:50 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so
>>> that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting
>>> can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,
>>> will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability
>>> of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we
>>> have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.
>>>
>>> Proposed agenda of the meeting:
>>>
>>> 1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
>>> - Consolidation of Operational procudures
>>> - Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
>>> - Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
>>> - Fundraising for NCSG
>>> - NCSG priorities and plans
>>>
>>> 2. FY20 ABR submissions
>>>
>>> 3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan
>>>
>>> 4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments
>>> (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs
>>> amongst other focus areas)
>>>
>>> 5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your comments, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>
>
> --
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> @boomartins
>
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From fbscster at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 18:27:16 2019
From: fbscster at gmail.com (Joan Kerr)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:27:16 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
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Hi Thato, All

Excellent agenda.  When Maryam sends the doodle, I will respond.
Regards,

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On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:50 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so
> that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting
> can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,
> will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability
> of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we
> have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.
>
> Proposed agenda of the meeting:
>
> 1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
> - Consolidation of Operational procudures
> - Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
> - Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
> - Fundraising for NCSG
> - NCSG priorities and plans
>
> 2. FY20 ABR submissions
>
> 3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan
>
> 4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments
> (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs
> amongst other focus areas)
>
> 5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64
>
> Looking forward to your comments, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Tue Jan 29 13:21:41 2019
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:21:41 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Doodle Poll: NCSG Finance Committee Call
Message-ID: <EA565D05-D24B-4709-9168-6F92BF0732F9@icann.org>

Dear All,

Please complete the doodle poll below for the next Finance Committee call:

https://doodle.com/poll/w267r56mnv5zxa3z

The deadline for this is Friday 01 Feb 2019 at 1200 UTC

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Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777

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From icann at ferdeline.com  Wed Jan 30 16:23:00 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:23:00 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
In-Reply-To: <7ujeqo86jcpfs40kc4t9c9aa.1548697205081@email.android.com>
References: <7ujeqo86jcpfs40kc4t9c9aa.1548697205081@email.android.com>
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Hi all,

I have drafted a comment on the budget and shared it on the NCSG-Discuss list. If the Finance Committee has any questions regarding the contents, I stand ready to answer them.

Best wishes, Ayden

??????? Original Message ???????
On Monday, January 28, 2019 12:40 PM, thatomfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I started with comments on the strat plan if that helps but also asking other members to contribute to the comment. Please revisit the Google doc if needed.
>
> Not only the budget but there are also other aspects needing attention as per the commumication below.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> Date: 28/01/2019 19:03 (GMT+02:00)
> To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
>
> Nobody appeared to be listening in to the GNSO budget cttee call this morning, where we discussed their comment on the strategic plan.  I would suggest that folks on the finance committee address the NCSG comment now, Austin has done a draft.  It would appear nobody has bothered with this and it is rather important, due Feb 11.
>
> I am of course unclear on what the FC wishes to focus on, but the budget ought to be in scope in my view.
>
> cheers Stephanie
>
> PS here is the US tax form we may have to fill out in the event that we send any PIR money ought of the US.  https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8bene.pdf  Your guidance on how to fill it out would be appreciated, I think I have figured it out but always good to have a second or third set of eyes.  Please note that there are serious legal implications of forming an entity, which we need a discussion on.  IN the meantime, it is quite hard to figure out what we are, for these legal purposes.
>
> On 2019-01-28 10:50, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,  will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.
>>
>> Proposed agenda of the meeting:
>>
>> 1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
>> - Consolidation of Operational procudures
>> - Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
>> - Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
>> - Fundraising for NCSG
>> - NCSG priorities and plans
>>
>> 2. FY20 ABR submissions
>>
>> 3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan
>>
>> 4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs amongst other focus areas)
>>
>> 5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64
>>
>> Looking forward to your comments, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jan 30 21:04:31 2019
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:04:31 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
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Thanks Ayden,

I added few comments on the draft document.

Thato Mfikwe.


On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:23 PM Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have drafted a comment on the budget and shared it on the NCSG-Discuss
> list. If the Finance Committee has any questions regarding the contents, I
> stand ready to answer them.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 12:40 PM, thatomfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I started with comments on the strat plan if that helps but also asking
> other members to contribute to the comment. Please revisit the Google doc
> if needed.
>
> Not only the budget but there are also other aspects needing attention as
> per the commumication below.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> Date: 28/01/2019 19:03 (GMT+02:00)
> To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC meeting Feb 2019
>
> Nobody appeared to be listening in to the GNSO budget cttee call this
> morning, where we discussed their comment on the strategic plan.  I would
> suggest that folks on the finance committee address the NCSG comment now,
> Austin has done a draft.  It would appear nobody has bothered with this and
> it is rather important, due Feb 11.
>
> I am of course unclear on what the FC wishes to focus on, but the budget
> ought to be in scope in my view.
>
> cheers Stephanie
>
> PS here is the US tax form we may have to fill out in the event that we
> send any PIR money ought of the US.
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8bene.pdf  Your guidance on how to fill
> it out would be appreciated, I think I have figured it out but always good
> to have a second or third set of eyes.  Please note that there are serious
> legal implications of forming an entity, which we need a discussion on.  IN
> the meantime, it is quite hard to figure out what we are, for these legal
> purposes.
> On 2019-01-28 10:50, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As we drawing near to ICANN64, I would like for us to have a meeting so
> that we can plan for the submitted FC meeting request. The proposed meeting
> can be held during the first week of February and upon you confirmation,
> will ask Maryam to setup a Doodle for us, so please confirm the suitability
> of the first week because I hope in the 2nd or 3rd week of February that we
> have an open meeting with the community before ICANN64.
>
> Proposed agenda of the meeting:
>
> 1. ICANN64 meeting finals preparartions
> - Consolidation of Operational procudures
> - Update on the NCSG Bank acount and NCSG incorporation
> - Clarity and way forward on role of the FC
> - Fundraising for NCSG
> - NCSG priorities and plans
>
> 2. FY20 ABR submissions
>
> 3. Adoption of the FC 1 year action plan
>
> 4. Call for volunteers to work on different issues/topics/comments
> (Reserve fund, Operational fund, CCWG on AP, ICANN budget, plans and ABRs
> amongst other focus areas)
>
> 5. Next meeting with community members pre ICANN64
>
> Looking forward to your comments, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing listNCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
>
>
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