[NCSG-FC] [Ext] ICANN64 FC meeting preparations

Thu Feb 21 00:41:54 EET 2019

Hey Remmy,

About the composition of the FC, please refer to section 2.6.1 of the NCSG
Charter
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/filefield_25801/ncsg-charter-05may11-en.pdf>
:

*2.6.1. NCSG‑FC Composition.*

*The NCSG Finance Committee (FC) shall be comprised of one representative
from each Recognized Constituency. Each Candidate Constituency is entitled
to appoint an observer. The NCSG Chair will participate as an ex‑officio
member of the NCSG‑FC and will be included in consensus process and votes.
The FC may invite other members as needed to meet its goals and
responsibilities.*

This is not a situation of a call for new members, but the case of the NCUC
appointee to the FC which is the position Thato occupies at Finance
Committee.

best,

Em qua, 20 de fev de 2019 às 19:31, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> escreveu:

> Dear FC
> Sure the week has been busy.
>
> I have noticed in the NCUC call for FC representative that there is a
> discrepancy of NCUC charter and that of NCSG on FC on modalities of getting
> new members
> For the NCSG the chair of constituencies are the observers which is not
> the case with NCUC quoted charter thereof.
>
> Like I have maintained, it's better we resolve this discrepancy among
> others in charter as they come before further engagement so as to avoid
> engagement that will leave people on the street instead of the house and
> going round the house.
> Regards
> Remmy
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 10:26 p.m. Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca wrote:
>
>> I think you must have meant this for Bruna, Thato.  I am not the head of
>> the NCUC, nor of NPOC.  the heads of those constituencies are in charge of
>> managing the selection of their members of the Finance Cttee, not me.
>> ccing Bruna so she can respond.  Other responses in line.
>>
>> Stephanie
>> On 2019-02-20 15:53, thatomfikwe wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> When things are happening in parallel, with announcements for FC members
>> replacement, makes the entire planning process for the Kobe meeting a
>> mission.
>>
>> It would have been better if such announcements were made after ICANN64,
>> they put the FC in a difficult position and the Kobe meeting is planned to
>> revive the FC not create uncertainty and uncomfortable situations with
>> members who will be leading deliberations. Not sure if such actions were
>> well thought of or well planned.
>>
>> see Bruna and Joan
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not exactly sure how we are going to proceed despite serveral
>> attempts to hold a meeting with members before Kobe in order to discuss the
>> planned agenda in detail and emerging issues.
>>
>> Do you have any idea how busy council is, and the epdp, and the WHOIS
>> review cttee, and the comments process in general?  We are running ragged.
>> WE need more members to staff the working groups.
>>
>>
>> ICANN staff is just an email away, the Charter requires the FC to work
>> with ICANN finance so if the committee is to be effective then it needs to
>> establish or revive critical connections that will ensure that NCSG and its
>> constituencies are fairly supported.
>>
>> First we determine our own policy positions.  Do we want paid
>> memberships?  Do we want to establish an entity, if so what?  These are not
>> issues to discuss with staff, they would not be authorized to express an
>> opinion, nor should they.
>>
>>
>> Regarding the strong position of the community, what issues are they
>> arguing? Do you think they are valid and what were the reposnes of members
>> during that time?
>>
>> not sure what this question is addressing
>>
>>
>> If you carefully review comments, they.were centered around
>> - the bank account and incorporation of NCSG. This is currently being
>> dealt with and in progress, to also be further discussed and decided upon
>> - the role of the FC, many disagree with a lot of what is stipulated on
>> the Charter, whereas the Charter uses simple language
>>
>> Indeed, I cannot figure out for the life of me what the drafters of the
>> Charter had in mind.  Establishing an entity has serious financial
>> repercussions.  I have no idea where the money for that would come from.
>> Fund raising is difficult at the best of times, to support us at
>> ICANN....likely to be quite a chore.
>>
>>
>> When we review we need to be objective, even though it might seem like
>> the vocal in the mailing list are the majority. If the FC is designed to
>> have no autonomy then its efforts to correct mistakes of the past will
>> always go unnoticed and unrecognised.
>>
>> what specific mistakes are you talking about?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> Date: 20/02/2019 21:59 (GMT+02:00)
>> To: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Ext] ICANN64 FC meeting preparations
>>
>> The event where the FC Chair, without informing his colleagues on Council
>> or the PC, invited senior ICANN staff to one of the first FC meetings.
>> Nobody was prepared.  Most of us were unable to attend the last minute
>> meeting.  Surprises are rarely appreciated, and noone knew the conditions
>> under which staff had been invited.   If you check back in the email
>> archives you will be able to see the grumbling that ensued after that
>> meeting.  Senior people are exceptionally busy at ICANN meetings....we
>> don't invite them unless we have consensus that we are ready to meet them.
>>
>> We are by nature a consultative group.  The FC should always be
>> consulted, so there is an open record for members to consult.  Many members
>> have strongly held views on the FC and its mandate, and check the email
>> archives. If there is nothing there, it is insufficiently transparent, at
>> least in my view.  I believe that is a commonly held view.
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> On 2019-02-20 13:51, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sephanie,
>>
>> What was an embarrasment?
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:40 PM Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I do not think we are ready to meet with ICANN Finance
>>> staff. However, it appears the request has gone.  We have already gone
>>> through this when Ed was chairing the Finance Committee, and it was an
>>> embarrassment in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers Stephanie
>>> On 2019-02-20 03:27, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Thato,
>>>
>>> Good morning I hope this email meets you well. I have forwarded this
>>> request to Mary Wong, ICANN Staff.
>>>
>>> I am also cc’ing Stephanie, so she is in the loop.
>>>
>>> —
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
>>>
>>> On 20 Feb 2019, at 00:25, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>
>>> Is it possible that we request the presence of one of ICANN Finance
>>> staff and ICANN legal in the FC meeting in Kobe which will be taking place
>>> on Wednesday, 15h15 - 16h45.
>>>
>>> Main support needed from ICANN staff:
>>> - Elaboration on legal implications on incorporation of NCSG and what it
>>> will mean for ICANN.
>>> - Advice on alternative sources of fundraising and opening a bank
>>> account in the name of NCSG.
>>> - Recommendation on how to best set up the Operational Procedures and
>>> ways of working with ICANN finance to support NCSG and constituency
>>> initiatives and activities.
>>> - Provision of clarity on how community comments are reflected in
>>> current and future ICANN operational and financial plans.
>>>
>>> We only have 2 weeks before the meeting. I hope this message, finds you
>>> well, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 10:26 p.m. Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca wrote:
>
>> I think you must have meant this for Bruna, Thato.  I am not the head of
>> the NCUC, nor of NPOC.  the heads of those constituencies are in charge of
>> managing the selection of their members of the Finance Cttee, not me.
>> ccing Bruna so she can respond.  Other responses in line.
>>
>> Stephanie
>> On 2019-02-20 15:53, thatomfikwe wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> When things are happening in parallel, with announcements for FC members
>> replacement, makes the entire planning process for the Kobe meeting a
>> mission.
>>
>> It would have been better if such announcements were made after ICANN64,
>> they put the FC in a difficult position and the Kobe meeting is planned to
>> revive the FC not create uncertainty and uncomfortable situations with
>> members who will be leading deliberations. Not sure if such actions were
>> well thought of or well planned.
>>
>> see Bruna and Joan
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not exactly sure how we are going to proceed despite serveral
>> attempts to hold a meeting with members before Kobe in order to discuss the
>> planned agenda in detail and emerging issues.
>>
>> Do you have any idea how busy council is, and the epdp, and the WHOIS
>> review cttee, and the comments process in general?  We are running ragged.
>> WE need more members to staff the working groups.
>>
>>
>> ICANN staff is just an email away, the Charter requires the FC to work
>> with ICANN finance so if the committee is to be effective then it needs to
>> establish or revive critical connections that will ensure that NCSG and its
>> constituencies are fairly supported.
>>
>> First we determine our own policy positions.  Do we want paid
>> memberships?  Do we want to establish an entity, if so what?  These are not
>> issues to discuss with staff, they would not be authorized to express an
>> opinion, nor should they.
>>
>>
>> Regarding the strong position of the community, what issues are they
>> arguing? Do you think they are valid and what were the reposnes of members
>> during that time?
>>
>> not sure what this question is addressing
>>
>>
>> If you carefully review comments, they.were centered around
>> - the bank account and incorporation of NCSG. This is currently being
>> dealt with and in progress, to also be further discussed and decided upon
>> - the role of the FC, many disagree with a lot of what is stipulated on
>> the Charter, whereas the Charter uses simple language
>>
>> Indeed, I cannot figure out for the life of me what the drafters of the
>> Charter had in mind.  Establishing an entity has serious financial
>> repercussions.  I have no idea where the money for that would come from.
>> Fund raising is difficult at the best of times, to support us at
>> ICANN....likely to be quite a chore.
>>
>>
>> When we review we need to be objective, even though it might seem like
>> the vocal in the mailing list are the majority. If the FC is designed to
>> have no autonomy then its efforts to correct mistakes of the past will
>> always go unnoticed and unrecognised.
>>
>> what specific mistakes are you talking about?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> Date: 20/02/2019 21:59 (GMT+02:00)
>> To: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Ext] ICANN64 FC meeting preparations
>>
>> The event where the FC Chair, without informing his colleagues on Council
>> or the PC, invited senior ICANN staff to one of the first FC meetings.
>> Nobody was prepared.  Most of us were unable to attend the last minute
>> meeting.  Surprises are rarely appreciated, and noone knew the conditions
>> under which staff had been invited.   If you check back in the email
>> archives you will be able to see the grumbling that ensued after that
>> meeting.  Senior people are exceptionally busy at ICANN meetings....we
>> don't invite them unless we have consensus that we are ready to meet them.
>>
>> We are by nature a consultative group.  The FC should always be
>> consulted, so there is an open record for members to consult.  Many members
>> have strongly held views on the FC and its mandate, and check the email
>> archives. If there is nothing there, it is insufficiently transparent, at
>> least in my view.  I believe that is a commonly held view.
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> On 2019-02-20 13:51, Thato Mfikwe wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sephanie,
>>
>> What was an embarrasment?
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:40 PM Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I do not think we are ready to meet with ICANN Finance
>>> staff. However, it appears the request has gone.  We have already gone
>>> through this when Ed was chairing the Finance Committee, and it was an
>>> embarrassment in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers Stephanie
>>> On 2019-02-20 03:27, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Thato,
>>>
>>> Good morning I hope this email meets you well. I have forwarded this
>>> request to Mary Wong, ICANN Staff.
>>>
>>> I am also cc’ing Stephanie, so she is in the loop.
>>>
>>> —
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
>>>
>>> On 20 Feb 2019, at 00:25, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>
>>> Is it possible that we request the presence of one of ICANN Finance
>>> staff and ICANN legal in the FC meeting in Kobe which will be taking place
>>> on Wednesday, 15h15 - 16h45.
>>>
>>> Main support needed from ICANN staff:
>>> - Elaboration on legal implications on incorporation of NCSG and what it
>>> will mean for ICANN.
>>> - Advice on alternative sources of fundraising and opening a bank
>>> account in the name of NCSG.
>>> - Recommendation on how to best set up the Operational Procedures and
>>> ways of working with ICANN finance to support NCSG and constituency
>>> initiatives and activities.
>>> - Provision of clarity on how community comments are reflected in
>>> current and future ICANN operational and financial plans.
>>>
>>> We only have 2 weeks before the meeting. I hope this message, finds you
>>> well, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>

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