From remmyn at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 03:31:04 2018 From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 01:31:04 +0100 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Farzaneh Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour. 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter. 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on automatic observer for chair for PC. 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating Procedure (accepted_ 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.) 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation etc 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to how he can approach the issue. 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually. Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not. Thanks again, great work. ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News ; ITREALMS , NaijaAgroNet ) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable * (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!! *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS ) *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)* _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii wrote: > > 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona > meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter > 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can > be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ > Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should > become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) > 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating > Procedure (accepted_ > 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the > finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list > 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG > (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and > Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. > 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight > and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment > 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members > consultation etc > 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. > Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to > how he can approach the issue. > 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato > and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent > > Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have > not. > > > Farzaneh > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:11:46 2018 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 09:11:46 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Farzi and all, Thanks for the minutes of the meeting, I will make an input when I get time, I am currently attending a 7 day summit outside my province, I will fully get back online next week and respond to emails. I am always available on social media for urgent issues, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:31 AM Remmy Nweke wrote: > Hi Farzaneh > Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour. > > 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona > meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter. > 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can > be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ > Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should > become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am > also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on > automatic observer for chair for PC. > 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating > Procedure (accepted_ > 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the > finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list > 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG > (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and > Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering > the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG > including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its > going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if > Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.) > 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight > and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment > 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members > consultation etc > 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. > Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to > how he can approach the issue. > 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato > and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is > sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making > in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority > or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC > decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do > not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision > is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should > suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided > house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually. > > Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have > not. > > Thanks again, great work. > ____ > REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, > Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, > DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] > (DigitalSENSE Business News > ; ITREALMS > , NaijaAgroNet > ) > Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos > M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms > > Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria > > > *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable > * > (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!! > > *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS > ) > > *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)* > > _________________________________________________________________ > *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments > are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended > only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal > responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do > not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make > any copies. Violators may face court persecution. > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii > wrote: > >> >> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona >> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter >> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can >> be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ >> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should >> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) >> 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee >> Operating Procedure (accepted_ >> 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the >> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list >> 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG >> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and >> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. >> 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the >> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment >> 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members >> consultation etc >> 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. >> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to >> how he can approach the issue. >> 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since >> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent >> >> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have >> not. >> >> >> Farzaneh >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 17:31:20 2018 From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:31:20 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Answers in line Remmy On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke wrote: > Hi Farzaneh > Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour. > > 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona > meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter. > 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can > be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ > Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should > become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am > also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on > automatic observer for chair for PC. > > Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I think the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs involvement with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are specifically against pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide your reasons? > > 1. > 2. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating > Procedure (accepted_ > 3. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the > finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list > 4. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG > (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and > Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering > the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG > including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its > going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if > Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.) > > Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean others won't think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account. > > 1. > 2. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight > and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment > 3. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members > consultation etc > 4. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. > Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to > how he can approach the issue. > 5. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato > and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is > sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making > in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority > or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC > decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do > not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision > is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should > suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided > house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually. > > You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did not want to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require FC be in ICANN meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the opportunity arises enables FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I would like to tell NCSG EC that I don't agree with these provisions that you have passed and that it was not a consensus decision. I have discussed this many many times and I have no desire to continue and I find it quite amusing that you first don't want to come to a compromise and consensus and then ask me not to do a dissent. FC is in charge of creating resources for NCSG to do policy. It's not to be a strain on resources. Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have > not. > > Thanks again, great work. > ____ > REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, > Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, > DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] > (DigitalSENSE Business News > ; ITREALMS > , NaijaAgroNet > ) > Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos > M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms > > Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria > > > *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable > * > (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!! > > *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS > ) > > *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)* > > _________________________________________________________________ > *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments > are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended > only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal > responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do > not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make > any copies. Violators may face court persecution. > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii > wrote: > >> >> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona >> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter >> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can >> be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ >> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should >> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) >> 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee >> Operating Procedure (accepted_ >> 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the >> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list >> 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG >> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and >> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. >> 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the >> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment >> 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members >> consultation etc >> 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. >> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to >> how he can approach the issue. >> 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since >> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent >> >> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have >> not. >> >> >> Farzaneh >> > _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org Tue Sep 11 08:38:25 2018 From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:38:25 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 Message-ID: Dear Thato, Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at ICANN63? 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On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi wrote: > Dear Thato, > > > > Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at > ICANN63? > > > > Thank you so much for your prompt reply. > > -- > > Many thanks, > > > > *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator > > *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers > > *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 09:25:25 2018 From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:25:25 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Thato I don't recommend that. At least someone has to be there to run it. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:11 AM Thato Mfikwe wrote: > Hi FC members, > > I just wanted to check with everyone, is it still feasible for the FC to > have its own session even though it will not be attending onsite? Your > comments will be highly appreciated. I need to reply to Maryam ASAP, thanks. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi > wrote: > >> Dear Thato, >> >> >> >> Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at >> ICANN63? >> >> >> >> Thank you so much for your prompt reply. >> >> -- >> >> Many thanks, >> >> >> >> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator >> >> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers >> >> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News ; ITREALMS , NaijaAgroNet ) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria *2019 Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable * JOIN us!! *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS ) *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)* _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:25 AM farzaneh badii wrote: > Hi Thato > > I don't recommend that. At least someone has to be there to run it. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:11 AM Thato Mfikwe > wrote: > >> Hi FC members, >> >> I just wanted to check with everyone, is it still feasible for the FC to >> have its own session even though it will not be attending onsite? Your >> comments will be highly appreciated. I need to reply to Maryam ASAP, thanks. >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Thato, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at >>> ICANN63? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you so much for your prompt reply. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator >>> >>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers >>> >>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > -- > Farzaneh > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 19:26:58 2018 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:26:58 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Farzi, I also do not think so but let hear from Remmy, thanks. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:25 AM farzaneh badii wrote: > Hi Thato > > I don't recommend that. At least someone has to be there to run it. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:11 AM Thato Mfikwe > wrote: > >> Hi FC members, >> >> I just wanted to check with everyone, is it still feasible for the FC to >> have its own session even though it will not be attending onsite? Your >> comments will be highly appreciated. I need to reply to Maryam ASAP, thanks. >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Thato, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at >>> ICANN63? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you so much for your prompt reply. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator >>> >>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers >>> >>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > -- > Farzaneh > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 19:31:18 2018 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:31:18 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Maryam, I do not think it would be idea to hold this meeting because the Operational Procedure exercise is very extensive needing onsite moderation and since non of the FC members, I think, will be attending, maybe this can be parked for the next meeting, ICANN 64 or other future ICANN meetings when opportunity permits, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi wrote: > Dear Thato, > > > > Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at > ICANN63? > > > > Thank you so much for your prompt reply. > > -- > > Many thanks, > > > > *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator > > *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers > > *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From remmyn at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 20:22:00 2018 From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:22:00 +0100 Subject: [NCSG-FC] URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bro I responded since morning. It's ok to move the session. Regards Remmy On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, 6:08 p.m. Thato Mfikwe, wrote: > Hi Maryam, > > I do not think it would be idea to hold this meeting because the > Operational Procedure exercise is very extensive needing onsite moderation > and since non of the FC members, I think, will be attending, maybe this can > be parked for the next meeting, ICANN 64 or other future ICANN meetings > when opportunity permits, thanks. > > Thato Mfikwe. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi > wrote: > >> Dear Thato, >> >> >> >> Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at >> ICANN63? >> >> >> >> Thank you so much for your prompt reply. >> >> -- >> >> Many thanks, >> >> >> >> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator >> >> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers >> >> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org Tue Sep 11 21:55:46 2018 From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:55:46 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thank you Thato, I will proceed to ask that the meeting is cancelled. ? Many thanks, Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777? On 11 Sep 2018, at 18:08, Thato Mfikwe > wrote: Hi Maryam, I do not think it would be idea to hold this meeting because the Operational Procedure exercise is very extensive needing onsite moderation and since non of the FC members, I think, will be attending, maybe this can be parked for the next meeting, ICANN 64 or other future ICANN meetings when opportunity permits, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi > wrote: Dear Thato, Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at ICANN63? Thank you so much for your prompt reply. -- Many thanks, Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 20:51:14 2018 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:51:14 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] URGENT: FC Meeting at ICANN63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Noted, Apologies for the delayed response, its just crazy at the moment on my side. Thato Mfikwe. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:22 PM Remmy Nweke wrote: > Hi Bro > I responded since morning. > It's ok to move the session. > Regards > Remmy > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, 6:08 p.m. Thato Mfikwe, > wrote: > >> Hi Maryam, >> >> I do not think it would be idea to hold this meeting because the >> Operational Procedure exercise is very extensive needing onsite moderation >> and since non of the FC members, I think, will be attending, maybe this can >> be parked for the next meeting, ICANN 64 or other future ICANN meetings >> when opportunity permits, thanks. >> >> Thato Mfikwe. >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:38 AM Maryam Bakoshi >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Thato, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please could you confirm if you still require the NCSG FC Meeting at >>> ICANN63? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you so much for your prompt reply. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator >>> >>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers >>> >>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777 >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatomfikwe at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 16:29:57 2018 From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:29:57 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, 1. Finally I get a little bit of time to help push for submission of the draft OP of the NCSG FC, our initial timelines were not met but if we can push to submit by end of November that would not be a train smash. 2. Remmy or Farzi, please start integration changes and comments on the OP Draft document so that we can prepare for submission to the EC by November 2018, and remember to close comment from the community 3. I think we need to hold another meeting towards end of October in order to finalise the Draft OP before submission to the EC 4. We need to exercise fairness and consistency in our decision, please kindly see my input inline below, thanks. Thato Mfikwe. On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM farzaneh badii wrote: > Answers in line Remmy > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke wrote: > >> Hi Farzaneh >> Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour. >> >> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona >> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter. >> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can >> be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ >> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should >> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am >> also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on >> automatic observer for chair for PC. >> >> *The issue of constituency chairs has been agreed upon (2/3) and minority view (1/3) will be recorded, secondly, the observer status of PC chairs is good for enhancing synergy and coordination amongst committees and constituencies, provided that the FC chair will also receive observer status on the NCG PC (what are you thoughts on this, because at some point the FC and the PC need t see eye to eye and this process will create that desired platform).* > Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I > think the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs > involvement with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are > specifically against pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide > your reasons? > >> >> 1. >> 2. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee >> Operating Procedure (accepted_ >> 3. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the >> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list >> 4. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG >> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and >> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering >> the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG >> including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its >> going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if >> Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.) >> >> I think we need to see how treasury functions at constituency level, there might be some lessons to learn on how to administer and manage the bank account (NCUC chair would be of help in this instance). Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean others > won't think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account. > >> >> 1. >> 2. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the >> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment >> 3. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members >> consultation etc >> 4. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. >> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to >> how he can approach the issue. >> >> *Farzi, please list those suggestions * > >> 1. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since >> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is >> sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making >> in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority >> or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC >> decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do >> not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision >> is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should >> suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided >> house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually. >> >> *Again minority views will also be recorded.* You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did not > want to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require FC be > in ICANN meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the opportunity > arises enables FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I would like to > tell NCSG EC that I don't agree with these provisions that you have passed > and that it was not a consensus decision. I have discussed this many many > times and I have no desire to continue and I find it quite amusing that you > first don't want to come to a compromise and consensus and then ask me not > to do a dissent. FC is in charge of creating resources for NCSG to do > policy. It's not to be a strain on resources. > > Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. 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Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the >>> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list >>> 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG >>> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and >>> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. >>> 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the >>> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment >>> 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members >>> consultation etc >>> 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. >>> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to >>> how he can approach the issue. >>> 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since >>> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent >>> >>> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have >>> not. >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-FC mailing list >>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-FC mailing list >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc >> > -- > Farzaneh > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: