From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 02:39:22 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:39:22 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] A couple of tasks for Finance committee
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__opfSBPR-N7AKQfb97eqtxDLn55R3sQ7YtBAWP7e_LqUyg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Renata

I believe we will make every effort to be transparent in our discussions
about funds and procedures. when it comes to sensitive information such as
for example  bank account information etc then we can discuss a gist of it
here and share the documents with sensitive info in private. This is what
we did with NCUC in the past and worked out well.


Farzaneh


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:09 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:03 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> [observer]
>>
>> I think the FC NCSG should do notes and safeguard documents in a
>> password protected space
>> This can be done on NCSG space on ICANN community wiki
>>
>> Hacking into organizational accounts is an easy first step for a
>> hacker and this way the Committee can organize itself and control what
>> gets to be published for the sake of transparency
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:13 PM, farzaneh badii
>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thank you Remmy for being active . Glad you have joined us. I am fine
>> and
>> > watching the NCSG do its wonders in panama :)
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:03 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the response.
>> >> Hope you are good
>> >> Nice day
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:59 farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks Remmy
>> >>>
>> >>> Maryam is busy with ICANN as soon as she gets her head around this
>> will
>> >>> send this doodle.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks Thato and all
>> >>>> Maybe we should start with a doodle to agree on the meeting date for
>> >>>> next week and availability.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sure Maryam can help out here.
>> >>>> Good day every one
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 09:29 Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for the update, looking forward to kick-starting the NCSG FC
>> >>>>> vehicle and I hope we will be able to set priorities and action
>> items in the
>> >>>>> interim.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:47 PM, farzaneh badii
>> >>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I hope we have Remmy on this mailing list, if not then can someone
>> >>>>>> subscribe him?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks much.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> PIR has expressed its intention to find ways to fund NCSG as a
>> whole.
>> >>>>>> But NCSG does not have a bank account, nor a Tax ID, also no
>> operating
>> >>>>>> procedures to distribute the funds among its members and
>> constituencies.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This year we won't be able to receive funding directly from PIR, it
>> >>>>>> will be dealt with through NCUC. But we should get ready to look
>> into how to
>> >>>>>> create a bank account, what operating procedures we need etc.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So we will meet next week to discuss this and a couple of other
>> >>>>>> matters.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Best
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Farzaneh
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> >>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> >>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> >>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Farzaneh
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> >>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> >> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >
>> > --
>> > Farzaneh
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NCSG-FC mailing list
>> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 02:42:37 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:42:37 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Doodle Poll
In-Reply-To: <13471F17-5CEB-40A4-9359-655856D908FA@icann.org>
References: <13471F17-5CEB-40A4-9359-655856D908FA@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCs7j9y2DjzigV-XpqjCF4HvMQkNx046-ffpJynnq4gxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello there,

I only see Renata and Joan signed up as observers. Can FC members please
sign up?


Farzaneh


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:45 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please fill in the doodle poll below in order to determine a time and date
> for the Finance Committee meeting:
>
>
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/by64i3efasdpk8fn
>
>
>
> Deadline for this poll is Monday 2nd July.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 11:28:24 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:28:24 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Doodle Poll
In-Reply-To: <13471F17-5CEB-40A4-9359-655856D908FA@icann.org>
References: <13471F17-5CEB-40A4-9359-655856D908FA@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nug5qJz6kgnUYuf3iGtFRY-Aq3uXr8ytKBn-DBfcPVbEw@mail.gmail.com>

Done,

Our different timezones will always cause delay in responses :)

Thato Mfikwe.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please fill in the doodle poll below in order to determine a time and date
> for the Finance Committee meeting:
>
>
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/by64i3efasdpk8fn
>
>
>
> Deadline for this poll is Monday 2nd July.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 17:25:09 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:25:09 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Doodle Poll
In-Reply-To: <13471F17-5CEB-40A4-9359-655856D908FA@icann.org>
References: <13471F17-5CEB-40A4-9359-655856D908FA@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAMc__orxjuJ_53SEMOqMoYWebPp7EJJiZGU_XvCD8b+bm_=NgA@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon from city of Lagos

Apologies for responding late to the doodle. I actually did immediately I
received it but probably didn't send it.

Thanks also for the reminders.

Remmy

On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 5:45 pm Maryam Bakoshi, <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please fill in the doodle poll below in order to determine a time and date
> for the Finance Committee meeting:
>
>
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/by64i3efasdpk8fn
>
>
>
> Deadline for this poll is Monday 2nd July.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Mon Jul  2 18:41:22 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:41:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Save the Date Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC
Message-ID: <73CD34AD-EAFD-4CD8-8D21-BECB50DDCAE5@icann.org>

Dear All,

Please save the date for the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting on Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC

Calendar invite to follow.


--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777

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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 19:01:03 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:01:03 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Save the Date Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC
In-Reply-To: <73CD34AD-EAFD-4CD8-8D21-BECB50DDCAE5@icann.org>
References: <73CD34AD-EAFD-4CD8-8D21-BECB50DDCAE5@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAMc__oq90ncU7z87BCVAHgCWg79KrMDY=1xS7UWNDPG=nG6qDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, noted with thanks.

Remmy

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 4:57 pm Maryam Bakoshi, <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please save the date for the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting on *Thursday
> 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC*
>
>
>
> Calendar invite to follow.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 20:04:54 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:04:54 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Our approved ABRs
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDn4JuMAMcRoa0eEpJySc8_OSBX3V8dDga4Ko0GerH+YA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear FC

These are the two of our approved ABRs. I think we can start a call for
Barcelona meeting already but have to check with Staff.

https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Approved+ABRs

Best
Farzaneh
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 04:11:06 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 03:11:06 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Our approved ABRs
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvDn4JuMAMcRoa0eEpJySc8_OSBX3V8dDga4Ko0GerH+YA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvDn4JuMAMcRoa0eEpJySc8_OSBX3V8dDga4Ko0GerH+YA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Ns1-5vCyUHWSs43Aqb_RXAK_hBktujiRk0fB2Ukp+KhYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farzaneh,

When you say a call, do you mean a call for Expression of Interest to those
interested in attending or a call for the FC meeting?

Anyway, Remmy and myself managed to keep each other abreast about the FC
issues during ICANN62 and one of the critical things we discussed was to
hold or explore ways of holding a NCSG FC
meeting with EXCO or contituency members and other stakeholders like the
ICANN finance staff at Barcelona since we are in the process of reviving
the committee. More information will be shared on this in our meeting on
Wednesday and thanks for the update.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 7:04 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear FC
>
> These are the two of our approved ABRs. I think we can start a call for
> Barcelona meeting already but have to check with Staff.
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Approved+ABRs
>
> Best
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 04:33:22 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 21:33:22 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Our approved ABRs
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Ns1-5vCyUHWSs43Aqb_RXAK_hBktujiRk0fB2Ukp+KhYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvDn4JuMAMcRoa0eEpJySc8_OSBX3V8dDga4Ko0GerH+YA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Ns1-5vCyUHWSs43Aqb_RXAK_hBktujiRk0fB2Ukp+KhYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvBitDJ1GrQH3s_9+jZ_FdC9=-zoEfSRe34KGtQrN37xbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thato

No sorry I was not clear. As you can see one of the ABRs been approved that
gives 1 travel slot to one leader from developing countries. This is valid
for 3 meetings. I think usually EC just approves the call for applicants
and we have a travel procedure now  so I think FC can have a look at the
operating procedure for travel which will be approved soon.

I will draft an announcement for people to apply and send it to NCSG EC for
approval.

Farzaneh


On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:11 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> When you say a call, do you mean a call for Expression of Interest to
> those interested in attending or a call for the FC meeting?
>
> Anyway, Remmy and myself managed to keep each other abreast about the FC
> issues during ICANN62 and one of the critical things we discussed was to
> hold or explore ways of holding a NCSG FC
> meeting with EXCO or contituency members and other stakeholders like the
> ICANN finance staff at Barcelona since we are in the process of reviving
> the committee. More information will be shared on this in our meeting on
> Wednesday and thanks for the update.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 7:04 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear FC
>>
>> These are the two of our approved ABRs. I think we can start a call for
>> Barcelona meeting already but have to check with Staff.
>>
>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Approved+ABRs
>>
>> Best
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 16:04:45 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:04:45 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Save the Date Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC
In-Reply-To: <73CD34AD-EAFD-4CD8-8D21-BECB50DDCAE5@icann.org>
References: <73CD34AD-EAFD-4CD8-8D21-BECB50DDCAE5@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NsdZ4r8vw7G9xkK=xjmYygaXEWzQBFWyTwJOKfMMvBKkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi MAryam,

Meeting link please.

Thato Mfikwe.


On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please save the date for the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting on *Thursday
> 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC*
>
>
>
> Calendar invite to follow.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
>
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Wed Jul  4 16:48:16 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:48:16 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: Save the Date Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300
 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NsdZ4r8vw7G9xkK=xjmYygaXEWzQBFWyTwJOKfMMvBKkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73CD34AD-EAFD-4CD8-8D21-BECB50DDCAE5@icann.org>,
 <CAGZi7NsdZ4r8vw7G9xkK=xjmYygaXEWzQBFWyTwJOKfMMvBKkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9A407D-8332-4026-8916-2430BFBD9623@icann.org>

Hi Thato,

Thank you for your email.

I will send the link today. We had technical difficulties yesterday. Once I am sure of what  tool we would be using, I will send the details.

?
Many thanks,


Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777?

On 4 Jul 2018, at 14:05, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi MAryam,

Meeting link please.

Thato Mfikwe.


On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,

Please save the date for the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting on Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC

Calendar invite to follow.


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Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
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S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


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From remmyn at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 17:36:40 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:36:40 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: Save the Date Thursday 05 July 2018 at 1300
 UTC
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Ok thanks
Waiting for the link then

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 3:04 pm Maryam Bakoshi, <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:

> Hi Thato,
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> I will send the link today. We had technical difficulties yesterday. Once
> I am sure of what  tool we would be using, I will send the details.
>
> ?
> Many thanks,
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
>
> On 4 Jul 2018, at 14:05, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi MAryam,
>
> Meeting link please.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please save the date for the NCSG Finance Committee Meeting on *Thursday
>> 05 July 2018 at 1300 UTC*
>>
>>
>>
>> Calendar invite to follow.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>
>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>>
>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>
>>
>>
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From PortalServer at pgi.com  Wed Jul  4 19:21:50 2018
From: PortalServer at pgi.com (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 16:21:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday 05 July 2018 at
 13:00 UTC
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 14:05:08 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday 05 July
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> Dear All,
>
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>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 16:09:20 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:09:20 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday 05 July
 2018 at 13:00 UTC
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I am joining in now.

Thato

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <PortalServer at pgi.com> wrote:

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> MEETING DETAILS Conference Title: Moderator Name: Maryam Bakoshi Date:
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From raquino at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 16:14:39 2018
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 10:14:39 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday 05 July
 2018 at 13:00 UTC
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 <1856c220e29a48a2990fe2d3d0362ce6@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.pexch112.icann.org>
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[observer]

also struggling here on mac
will ask for dial out

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> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 5:30 PM Maryam Bakoshi <PortalServer at pgi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Thu Jul  5 16:06:26 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 13:06:26 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday
 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__oqTD1h8_NLZnWTYx0Zd5ofZ_PxvGMV7=CEzPqNOt-RzOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201807041355.w64Dto6n027387@ppa4.dc.icann.org>
 <1856c220e29a48a2990fe2d3d0362ce6@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.pexch112.icann.org>,
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Message-ID: <C3C44AAB-CF47-4887-BE9E-D668FA95C451@icann.org>

Hi Remmy please send your number I will dial out to you

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Many thanks,


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On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 5:30 PM Maryam Bakoshi <PortalServer at pgi.com<mailto:PortalServer at pgi.com>> wrote:
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Israel, Tel Aviv:

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Philippines, Manila:

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Poland, Warsaw:

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Portugal (toll free):

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Qatar (freephone):

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South Africa, Johannesburg:

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South Africa (toll free):

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Spain, Madrid:

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Spain, Barcelona:

+34 93 800 1946

Spain (toll free):

900 828 035

Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka:

+94 720 910 333

Sweden, Stockholm:

+46 (0) 8 5065 3956

Sweden (toll free):

0200 125 588

Switzerland, Geneva:

+41 (0) 22 595 4795

Switzerland, Zurich:

+41 (0) 44 580 7207

Switzerland (toll free):

0800 740 360

Taiwan, Taipei:

+886 (0) 2 2650 7329

Taiwan (toll free):

0800 666 596

Thailand, Bangkok:

+66 (0) 2104 0761

Thailand (toll free):

001 800 6136 1473

Tunisia, Tunis:

+216 31 378 101

Turkey, Istanbul:

+90 212 375 50 49

Turkey (toll free):

00800 4488 26642

Ukraine (toll free):

0800 500 896

UAE (toll free):

8000 3570 2662

UK (03):

+44 (0)330 336 6002

UK (toll free):




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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 16:41:22 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:41:22 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday 05 July
 2018 at 13:00 UTC
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Maryam,

Got disconnected, please call me again.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 5:30 PM Maryam Bakoshi <PortalServer at pgi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please find participation details for the NCSG finance committee meeting
>> on *Thursday 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC*
>>
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>> *Additional Access:*
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>>
>> 1-605-475-5604
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>>
>> 1-719-457-6209
>>
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>>
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>> +1 604 222 7836
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>> 0800 800 1223
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>>
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>> +55 21 4560 0072
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>> 0800 887 0233
>>
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>>
>> 00800 111 4950
>>
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>> +855 23 965 723
>>
>> Canada (toll free):
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>> 1 855 950 3717
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> +400 613 8103
>>
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>>
>> +86 10 5667 0003
>>
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>>
>> +86 21 2039 7081
>>
>> Colombia, Bogota:
>>
>> +57 1 508 8137
>>
>> Colombia (toll free):
>>
>> 01 800 755 0102
>>
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>>
>> 800 542 5328
>>
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>>
>> 0800 805 940
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>>
>> 800 97424
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> 800 701 532
>>
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>>
>> +45 32 72 78 10
>>
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>>
>> 80 70 35 86
>>
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>>
>> 0800 000 0593
>>
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>>
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>>
>> 0800 772 236
>>
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>> +33 (0) 1 70 37 16 56
>>
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>> 01801 003 899
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> +91 22 6310 0298
>>
>> India, Chennai:
>>
>> +91 44 6310 0234
>>
>> India, Bangalore:
>>
>> +91 80 6760 8755
>>
>> India (toll free):
>>
>> 1800 3010 1582
>>
>> Indonesia, Jakarta:
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>> +62 21 2188 9084
>>
>> Indonesia (toll free):
>>
>> 007 803 321 8927
>>
>> Ireland, Dublin:
>>
>> +353 (0) 1 526 9421
>>
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>> 0818 270 271
>>
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>>
>> 1800 937 649
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>> 1890 907 630
>>
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>>
>> +972 (0)3 721 7943
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> +39 06 8750 0676
>>
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>>
>> 800 146 094
>>
>> Japan, Tokyo:
>>
>> +81 3 4560 1270
>>
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>>
>> +81 6 4560 2410
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> 0570 085 744
>>
>> Jordan (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 22172
>>
>> Kazakhstan (toll free):
>>
>> 8800 333 7554
>>
>> Kenya, Nairobi:
>>
>> +254 (0)207 643 581
>>
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>>
>> +82 (0) 2 6007 0079
>>
>> South Korea (toll free):
>>
>> 00798 6136 1454
>>
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>>
>> +965 2206 3002
>>
>> Latvia, Riga:
>>
>> +371 6601 3627
>>
>> Latvia (toll free):
>>
>> 8000 4418
>>
>> Lithuania, Vilnius:
>>
>> +370 5205 5468
>>
>> Lithuania (toll free):
>>
>> 8800 31449
>>
>> Luxembourg:
>>
>> +352 2088 1749
>>
>> Luxembourg (toll free):
>>
>> 800 28433
>>
>> Macau (national):
>>
>> +853 6262 1676
>>
>> Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur:
>>
>> +60 (0) 3 7724 8010
>>
>> Malaysia (toll free):
>>
>> 1 800 816 152
>>
>> Mexico, Guadalajara:
>>
>> +52 33 4162 4504
>>
>> Mexico, Mexico City:
>>
>> +52 55 8421 0326
>>
>> Mexico, Monterrey:
>>
>> +52 81 4162 5648
>>
>> Mexico (toll free):
>>
>> 01 800 733 4102
>>
>> Morocco, Casablanca:
>>
>> +212 (0) 520 48 0022
>>
>> Morocco (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 091 296
>>
>> Netherlands, Amsterdam:
>>
>> +31 (0) 20 716 8345
>>
>> Netherlands (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 020 2597
>>
>> New Zealand, Christchurch:
>>
>> +64 (0) 3 974 2596
>>
>> New Zealand, Wellington:
>>
>> +64 (0) 4 909 4674
>>
>> New Zealand, Auckland:
>>
>> +64 (0) 9 929 1825
>>
>> New Zealand (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 452 947
>>
>> Nigeria, Lagos:
>>
>> +234 1 277 3944
>>
>> Norway, Oslo:
>>
>> +47 21 00 48 15
>>
>> Norway (toll free):
>>
>> 800 56081
>>
>> Oman (toll free):
>>
>> 800 77265
>>
>> Pakistan, Islamabad:
>>
>> +92 5181 08863
>>
>> Panama, Panama City:
>>
>> +507 8 335 913
>>
>> Panama (toll free):
>>
>> 00800 223 1390
>>
>> Peru, Lima:
>>
>> +51 (0) 1 700 9571
>>
>> Philippines, Manila:
>>
>> +63 (0)2 395 3426
>>
>> Philippines (toll free):
>>
>> 1 800 111 013 99
>>
>> Poland, Warsaw:
>>
>> +48 22 295 3570
>>
>> Poland (toll free):
>>
>> 00 800 121 4356
>>
>> Portugal, Lisbon:
>>
>> +351 21 316 4093
>>
>> Portugal (toll free):
>>
>> 800 784 442
>>
>> Qatar (freephone):
>>
>> 00 800 100 491
>>
>> Romania, Bucharest:
>>
>> +40 (0) 21 529 3992
>>
>> Romania (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 801 035
>>
>> Russia, Moscow:
>>
>> +7 495 646 9181
>>
>> Russia (toll free):
>>
>> 8 800 500 9241
>>
>> Saudi Arabia (toll free):
>>
>> 800 844 6641
>>
>> Saudi Arabia (toll free):
>>
>> 800 850 0219
>>
>> Serbia (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 190 712
>>
>> Singapore:
>>
>> +65 6654 9112
>>
>> Singapore (toll free):
>>
>> 800 616 3192
>>
>> Slovakia, Bratislava:
>>
>> +421 (0)2 3321 5498
>>
>> Slovakia (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 002 002
>>
>> Slovenia, Ljubljana:
>>
>> +386 1600 8695
>>
>> Slovenia (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 81193
>>
>> South Africa, Johannesburg:
>>
>> +27 (0)11 589 8321
>>
>> South Africa (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 999 434
>>
>> Spain, Madrid:
>>
>> +34 91 114 6653
>>
>> Spain, Barcelona:
>>
>> +34 93 800 1946
>>
>> Spain (toll free):
>>
>> 900 828 035
>>
>> Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka:
>>
>> +94 720 910 333
>>
>> Sweden, Stockholm:
>>
>> +46 (0) 8 5065 3956
>>
>> Sweden (toll free):
>>
>> 0200 125 588
>>
>> Switzerland, Geneva:
>>
>> +41 (0) 22 595 4795
>>
>> Switzerland, Zurich:
>>
>> +41 (0) 44 580 7207
>>
>> Switzerland (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 740 360
>>
>> Taiwan, Taipei:
>>
>> +886 (0) 2 2650 7329
>>
>> Taiwan (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 666 596
>>
>> Thailand, Bangkok:
>>
>> +66 (0) 2104 0761
>>
>> Thailand (toll free):
>>
>> 001 800 6136 1473
>>
>> Tunisia, Tunis:
>>
>> +216 31 378 101
>>
>> Turkey, Istanbul:
>>
>> +90 212 375 50 49
>>
>> Turkey (toll free):
>>
>> 00800 4488 26642
>>
>> Ukraine (toll free):
>>
>> 0800 500 896
>>
>> UAE (toll free):
>>
>> 8000 3570 2662
>>
>> UK (03):
>>
>> +44 (0)330 336 6002
>>
>> UK (toll free):
>>
>
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Thu Jul  5 16:44:49 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 13:44:49 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: NCSG Finance Committee Meeting | Thursday
 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NuKq+ywh2iyMH2WROyFhHfqsVxKF50M5FSgAiDVR4X0NA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201807041355.w64Dto6n027387@ppa4.dc.icann.org>
 <1856c220e29a48a2990fe2d3d0362ce6@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.pexch112.icann.org>
 <CAMc__oqTD1h8_NLZnWTYx0Zd5ofZ_PxvGMV7=CEzPqNOt-RzOQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAGZi7NuKq+ywh2iyMH2WROyFhHfqsVxKF50M5FSgAiDVR4X0NA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5811E067-7332-4D63-A499-E6C1E2B01946@icann.org>

Thato please send me your number. Could you try dialling back?

?
Many thanks,


Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777?

On 5 Jul 2018, at 14:41, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>> wrote:

Maryam,

Got disconnected, please call me again.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com<mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Having been trying to use the Global Meeting but not successful yet.
I tried the computer, its now work and dialout is reading error in all lines.
What next please.
____
REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Thu Jul  5 20:30:49 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 17:30:49 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
Message-ID: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>

Dear All,

Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.

Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata Aquino Ribeiro

Action items/notes:

Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe


FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start a google doc


NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made

 - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because of all the legalities involved.


FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future


NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy as a staring point


Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy


Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN meeting to keep the community abreast


Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing list


Agenda to be prepared before every meeting

?
Many thanks,


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From remmyn at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 21:56:16 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 19:56:16 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
In-Reply-To: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
References: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAMc__oqmEe9xy_qirEpJnGAZvYCRwDcxgVddE7WEE2o14ByLRw@mail.gmail.com>

I think you did a good job there, Maryam
We shall do our best in this regards.
Thanks
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>
> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata
> Aquino Ribeiro
>
> Action items/notes:
>
> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>
>
> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start a
> google doc
>
>
> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>
>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because
> of all the legalities involved.
>
>
> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>
>
> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy as
> a staring point
>
>
> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>
>
> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
> meeting to keep the community abreast
>
>
> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing list
>
>
> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>
> ?
> Many thanks,
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Thu Jul  5 22:03:45 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 19:03:45 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re:  Action items/notes
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__oqmEe9xy_qirEpJnGAZvYCRwDcxgVddE7WEE2o14ByLRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
 <CAMc__oqmEe9xy_qirEpJnGAZvYCRwDcxgVddE7WEE2o14ByLRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F05DE6C2-F5BC-4D36-9E23-2F16D547892B@icann.org>

Thank you, Remmy.

My apologies for the formatting. It came out wrong!

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
Reply-To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Date: Thursday, 5 July 2018 at 19:56
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes

I think you did a good job there, Maryam
We shall do our best in this regards.
Thanks
____
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,

Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.

Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata Aquino Ribeiro

Action items/notes:

Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe



FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start a google doc



NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made

 - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because of all the legalities involved.



FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future



NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy as a staring point



Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy



Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN meeting to keep the community abreast



Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing list



Agenda to be prepared before every meeting

?
Many thanks,



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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 23:10:36 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 22:10:36 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: Action items/notes
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Hi Maryam,

Thanks for the prompt meeting report, just 1 adjustment to the report:
- After Remmy's input regarding the presence of the FC in ICANN meeting my
comment was to say that I agree with him as we did talk about the subject
matter at ICANN 62 as the FC needs to sit with SG and constituency members
to best understand their priorities and also to find ways to best help them
in their current and planned activities amongst other things. I furthermore
mentioned that some of the action items will be dealt with on the mailing
list based on the outcome of today's meeting.

I hope this is clear, thanks once again to everyone who attended.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Thank you, Remmy.
>
>
>
> My apologies for the formatting. It came out wrong!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
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>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Remmy Nweke <
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> *Reply-To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Date: *Thursday, 5 July 2018 at 19:56
> *To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
>
>
>
> I think you did a good job there, Maryam
>
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> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>
>
>
> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata
> Aquino Ribeiro
>
>
>
> Action items/notes:
>
>
>
> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>
>
>
> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start a
> google doc
>
>
>
> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>
>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because
> of all the legalities involved.
>
>
>
> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>
>
>
> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy as
> a staring point
>
>
>
> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>
>
>
> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
> meeting to keep the community abreast
>
>
>
> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing list
>
>
>
> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>
>
>
> ?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 23:25:40 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:25:40 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
In-Reply-To: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
References: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvD_GxVDtjJ5Jj2pR4Eg1cN-52nQGLHoFXQsTH3AGX00sA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you.

If possible please add under NCSG bank account 2019: Finance committee also
discussed  instead of incorporating NCSG, use the current bank account that
has been operational for a long time. Hence the funds in  2019 can be sent
to the same bank account, but the distribution of funds will be decided in
accordance to Finance Committee operating procedures which have to be
approved by NCSG EC.

Thanks


Farzaneh


On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>
> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata
> Aquino Ribeiro
>
> Action items/notes:
>
> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>
>
> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start a
> google doc
>
>
> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>
>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because
> of all the legalities involved.
>
>
> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>
>
> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy as
> a staring point
>
>
> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>
>
> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
> meeting to keep the community abreast
>
>
> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing list
>
>
> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>
> ?
> Many thanks,
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 23:35:22 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 22:35:22 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
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Hi all,

In response to Farzaneh's input, I just wanted to make sure we are clear on
the way forward regarding the bank account, namely:
- Agreeing with Farzaneh that funds will be sent to the NCUC account but
also noting that the FC will explore ways to establish an account in the
interim which might be finalised late 2019 or early 2020, thereafter the
funds may be allocated to the new account once NCSG incorporation process
has been completed, no timeline has been set yet because ICANN legal still
needs to be engaged on the subject matter of incorporation and opening a
bank account, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:25 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you.
>
> If possible please add under NCSG bank account 2019: Finance committee
> also discussed  instead of incorporating NCSG, use the current bank account
> that has been operational for a long time. Hence the funds in  2019 can be
> sent to the same bank account, but the distribution of funds will be
> decided in accordance to Finance Committee operating procedures which have
> to be approved by NCSG EC.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
>> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>>
>> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata
>> Aquino Ribeiro
>>
>> Action items/notes:
>>
>> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>>
>>
>> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start
>> a google doc
>>
>>
>> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>>
>>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because
>> of all the legalities involved.
>>
>>
>> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>>
>>
>> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy as
>> a staring point
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>>
>>
>> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
>> meeting to keep the community abreast
>>
>>
>> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing
>> list
>>
>>
>> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>>
>> ?
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 23:53:29 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:53:29 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NtUgVx-DooUbxyemCSw7zLZCvDDQSj+5M1RbteuBOTs9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
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Thato

We need to discuss the pros and cons of having NCSG incorporated as opposed
to using the available ncuc bank account. We can explore options but the
first question we should ask is whether we should actually incorporate
NCSG.

1. Incorporation needs a new management that is involved with the
governance of the board.

2. Incorporation needs legal advice, beyond what ICANN legal can tell you

3. Incorporation of a new entity with new management might not be appealing
to the funders. Using tried and tested channels can be better.

What are the pros of incorporation? What can you achieve by incorporation
that you cannot achieve by using the same bank account but allocating and
distributing the funds based on FC operating procedures  which will include
various ways of FC oversight of the funds.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:35 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In response to Farzaneh's input, I just wanted to make sure we are clear
> on the way forward regarding the bank account, namely:
> - Agreeing with Farzaneh that funds will be sent to the NCUC account but
> also noting that the FC will explore ways to establish an account in the
> interim which might be finalised late 2019 or early 2020, thereafter the
> funds may be allocated to the new account once NCSG incorporation process
> has been completed, no timeline has been set yet because ICANN legal still
> needs to be engaged on the subject matter of incorporation and opening a
> bank account, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:25 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> If possible please add under NCSG bank account 2019: Finance committee
>> also discussed  instead of incorporating NCSG, use the current bank account
>> that has been operational for a long time. Hence the funds in  2019 can be
>> sent to the same bank account, but the distribution of funds will be
>> decided in accordance to Finance Committee operating procedures which have
>> to be approved by NCSG EC.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
>>> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata
>>> Aquino Ribeiro
>>>
>>> Action items/notes:
>>>
>>> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>>>
>>>
>>> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start
>>> a google doc
>>>
>>>
>>> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>>>
>>>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because
>>> of all the legalities involved.
>>>
>>>
>>> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>>>
>>>
>>> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy
>>> as a staring point
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>>>
>>>
>>> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
>>> meeting to keep the community abreast
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing
>>> list
>>>
>>>
>>> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From joankerr at fbsc.org  Fri Jul  6 00:17:51 2018
From: joankerr at fbsc.org (Joan Kerr)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 17:17:51 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NtUgVx-DooUbxyemCSw7zLZCvDDQSj+5M1RbteuBOTs9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70253BFA-5B47-417E-8B8A-D3A1203C9F7B@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <CADwmshL6M6U4aHPr5S2o3QbKnzgAbjzS0SuEuW79GbFzic68Ng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thato, All

1) Yes, we are agreeing that the funds will be sent to NCUC, with oversight
from the FC and directions NCSG EC; and
2) To explore the pros and cons of an incorporated body.

As I mentioned during the call, having a separate entity requires its
management of the whole organization, including funds, bylaws, reporting,
programs, etc.  what is needed is an agreement of a way forward to
distribute the funds, so and that those funds are overseen by the FC and
directions from NCSG EC.

It is good to explore the possibility of an incorporated organization as a
long term strategy.
Thanks,

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:35 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In response to Farzaneh's input, I just wanted to make sure we are clear
> on the way forward regarding the bank account, namely:
> - Agreeing with Farzaneh that funds will be sent to the NCUC account but
> also noting that the FC will explore ways to establish an account in the
> interim which might be finalised late 2019 or early 2020, thereafter the
> funds may be allocated to the new account once NCSG incorporation process
> has been completed, no timeline has been set yet because ICANN legal still
> needs to be engaged on the subject matter of incorporation and opening a
> bank account, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:25 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> If possible please add under NCSG bank account 2019: Finance committee
>> also discussed  instead of incorporating NCSG, use the current bank account
>> that has been operational for a long time. Hence the funds in  2019 can be
>> sent to the same bank account, but the distribution of funds will be
>> decided in accordance to Finance Committee operating procedures which have
>> to be approved by NCSG EC.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
>>> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke, Renata
>>> Aquino Ribeiro
>>>
>>> Action items/notes:
>>>
>>> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>>>
>>>
>>> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to start
>>> a google doc
>>>
>>>
>>> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>>>
>>>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea because
>>> of all the legalities involved.
>>>
>>>
>>> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>>>
>>>
>>> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy
>>> as a staring point
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>>>
>>>
>>> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
>>> meeting to keep the community abreast
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing
>>> list
>>>
>>>
>>> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>


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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 00:38:31 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 23:38:31 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
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Hi Farzaneh,

I agree that we need to discuss this matter further, not knowing what is
the position of Remmy on this issue and comments from Joan and Renata. With
organisational structures the greater structure would normally support the
subsidiary/affiliate structure, where the lesser consults with the greater,
that is why I  agree to discussing this in our next meeting.

I also take cognisance of necessary governance and management structural
requirements that come with incorporation but sometimes best and common
practice helps with long term stability, accountability and transparency of
a body such as the NCSG.

Concerning funders, has there been any queries made or fact finding
missions initiated to determine if funders are not be comfortable with
funding NCSG in its own bank account? If not, I think this is actionable.

Thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:53 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thato
>
> We need to discuss the pros and cons of having NCSG incorporated as
> opposed to using the available ncuc bank account. We can explore options
> but the first question we should ask is whether we should actually
> incorporate NCSG.
>
> 1. Incorporation needs a new management that is involved with the
> governance of the board.
>
> 2. Incorporation needs legal advice, beyond what ICANN legal can tell you
>
> 3. Incorporation of a new entity with new management might not be
> appealing to the funders. Using tried and tested channels can be better.
>
> What are the pros of incorporation? What can you achieve by incorporation
> that you cannot achieve by using the same bank account but allocating and
> distributing the funds based on FC operating procedures  which will include
> various ways of FC oversight of the funds.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:35 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In response to Farzaneh's input, I just wanted to make sure we are clear
>> on the way forward regarding the bank account, namely:
>> - Agreeing with Farzaneh that funds will be sent to the NCUC account but
>> also noting that the FC will explore ways to establish an account in the
>> interim which might be finalised late 2019 or early 2020, thereafter the
>> funds may be allocated to the new account once NCSG incorporation process
>> has been completed, no timeline has been set yet because ICANN legal still
>> needs to be engaged on the subject matter of incorporation and opening a
>> bank account, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:25 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> If possible please add under NCSG bank account 2019: Finance committee
>>> also discussed  instead of incorporating NCSG, use the current bank account
>>> that has been operational for a long time. Hence the funds in  2019 can be
>>> sent to the same bank account, but the distribution of funds will be
>>> decided in accordance to Finance Committee operating procedures which have
>>> to be approved by NCSG EC.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
>>>> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke,
>>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>
>>>> Action items/notes:
>>>>
>>>> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to
>>>> start a google doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>>>>
>>>>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea
>>>> because of all the legalities involved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy
>>>> as a staring point
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
>>>> meeting to keep the community abreast
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 00:50:17 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 22:50:17 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items/notes
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Thanks Thato et al, for following up on the discussions.

However, my take initially was that the use of NCUC is for this year
fund-holding account only, within which time formal incorporation may have
been concluded.

But going with the outcome of our meeting and further underlining input,
this may take up to 2020 or more, depending on level of fast-tracking
measure we may taken or decided due to intricacies of board of trustee
management.

Another option worthy of note is that since its obvious incorporation of
new entity in US will take a long time while to come, probably because of
trustee issues, it may become expedite to consider having NPOC in the
Chair/Treasurer whereas NCUC retains the account-holding, to ensure and
encourage more transparency in our process and inclusivity. This, if
concluded may commence at the following year in NCSG/Leadership calendar
and probably incorporate that in the operating procedure.

This will assuage the issues or claims of any further marginalisation, in
moving forward.

I really do not have issues where the money/fund is kept as long as FC has
relative access when required and they approving to MoU kind of to give
financial statements/reports when required, but our structure also has to
change as aforesaid.

The truth now is that the current leadership may understand themselves, but
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:53 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thato
>
> We need to discuss the pros and cons of having NCSG incorporated as
> opposed to using the available ncuc bank account. We can explore options
> but the first question we should ask is whether we should actually
> incorporate NCSG.
>
> 1. Incorporation needs a new management that is involved with the
> governance of the board.
>
> 2. Incorporation needs legal advice, beyond what ICANN legal can tell you
>
> 3. Incorporation of a new entity with new management might not be
> appealing to the funders. Using tried and tested channels can be better.
>
> What are the pros of incorporation? What can you achieve by incorporation
> that you cannot achieve by using the same bank account but allocating and
> distributing the funds based on FC operating procedures  which will include
> various ways of FC oversight of the funds.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:35 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In response to Farzaneh's input, I just wanted to make sure we are clear
>> on the way forward regarding the bank account, namely:
>> - Agreeing with Farzaneh that funds will be sent to the NCUC account but
>> also noting that the FC will explore ways to establish an account in the
>> interim which might be finalised late 2019 or early 2020, thereafter the
>> funds may be allocated to the new account once NCSG incorporation process
>> has been completed, no timeline has been set yet because ICANN legal still
>> needs to be engaged on the subject matter of incorporation and opening a
>> bank account, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:25 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> If possible please add under NCSG bank account 2019: Finance committee
>>> also discussed  instead of incorporating NCSG, use the current bank account
>>> that has been operational for a long time. Hence the funds in  2019 can be
>>> sent to the same bank account, but the distribution of funds will be
>>> decided in accordance to Finance Committee operating procedures which have
>>> to be approved by NCSG EC.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Please find below action items/notes from the NCSG Finance Committee
>>>> meeting held today 05 July 2018 at 13:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>> Attendance: Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Thato Mfikwe, Remmy Nweke,
>>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>
>>>> Action items/notes:
>>>>
>>>> Chair for FC and treasurer appointed - Thato Mfikwe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FC Operating procedure for distribution of funds - Remmy agreed to
>>>> start a google doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NCSG Bank account 2019 - decision to be made
>>>>
>>>>  - Incorporating takes a long time and might not be a great idea
>>>> because of all the legalities involved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FC to talk to ICANN budget - meeting to be arranged in the near future
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NCUC and NPOC to send operating procedures for travel support to Remmy
>>>> as a staring point
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh to send NCSG Operating  procedures for travel to Remmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remmy proposed a broad Finance committee meeting around every ICANN
>>>> meeting to keep the community abreast
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thato, suggested that a lot of communication should be in the mailing
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agenda to be prepared before every meeting
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ?+44 7846 471777?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 05:34:00 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 22:34:00 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>

Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
approved by NCSG EC.

The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
approving it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#

Best
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 14:03:40 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 13:03:40 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Farzii,

Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
> approved by NCSG EC.
>
> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
> approving it.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>
> Best
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 14:29:39 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 07:29:39 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thato

 I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules and
principles for operating procedures.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Farzii,
>
> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>
>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>> approving it.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>
>> Best
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
-- 
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 14:53:19 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 13:53:19 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nuwei1pLMD_ZCJX8-=MKvu7S7ojy_-Bc1bFoAX-jY8xYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farzaneh,

Before I add my comments, I need clarity on the following:

1. Is the NCSG Treasure formal member of the NCSG EC or EC member only
within constituency they represent? The NCSG charter is not clear on this.

2. Given the fact that the FC is only starting to get activities underway,
can the travel policy be amended to also accommodate the planned work and
engagements of the FC, especially in this early stages of its composition
so that it can gain traction with the SG and ICANN the organisation? The
travel policy only emphasises on policy development with no consideration
on the work of the FC which is not necessarily policy related.

Thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
> approved by NCSG EC.
>
> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
> approving it.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>
> Best
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 15:35:40 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 13:35:40 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__op35OGZq0HhzaAdW4KC8Wkgw96_aKsv4gn1gha1M2QegA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh

I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in it
believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
July 8.

The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to be
all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
taken other relevant committees under NCSG.

Regards

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thato
>
>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules and
> principles for operating procedures.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Farzii,
>>
>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>
>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>> approving it.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
-- 
Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 16:22:00 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 09:22:00 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__op35OGZq0HhzaAdW4KC8Wkgw96_aKsv4gn1gha1M2QegA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__op35OGZq0HhzaAdW4KC8Wkgw96_aKsv4gn1gha1M2QegA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvB1iFg5LUBUJTqsd81AEpRHHzkmXerq-oGRmPUze2mxfg@mail.gmail.com>

I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
before the deadline.



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>
> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
> July 8.
>
> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thato
>>
>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules and
>> principles for operating procedures.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>
>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>
>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>> approving it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
> Remmyn at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 16:44:17 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 15:44:17 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__op35OGZq0HhzaAdW4KC8Wkgw96_aKsv4gn1gha1M2QegA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__op35OGZq0HhzaAdW4KC8Wkgw96_aKsv4gn1gha1M2QegA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NsfPPEjAeS1A7E+fTuJhsOh6G2A8ZaxUUxH2_LCf67gfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farzaneh,

I would like to know if you are able to share Milton's email address
(offline) because I need to start keeping upto date on nature, frequency
and nature of financial activities (summative financial report) of NCSG in
the past year or two. It will help with planning and fulfillment of the
selected FC responsibilities as per the NCSG Charter directives (Section ),
namely.
- Deployment of fundraising plans for NCSG
- Ensuring fair and equitable financial support from ICANN to NCSG it's C's
- Determining levels of support to NCSG from ICANN finance

This will provide the FC with a long term trend and sufficient information
to get started meanwhile waiting for 2019 and before the incoming Chair
assumes their responsibilities. This exercise with help with identification
and understanding of leads to obtaining or recovery of  financial support
for NCSG and its constituency from ICANN and/or external sources. This is
critical for plenary purposes and effective integration of the FC while you
are still around, the announcement you made has put a little pressure on
the FC to move quicker. All are free to share their thoughts around this,
thanks.


Thato Mfikwe.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>
> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
> July 8.
>
> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thato
>>
>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules and
>> principles for operating procedures.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>
>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>
>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>> approving it.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
>>>> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
> Remmyn at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 16:49:52 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 15:49:52 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvB1iFg5LUBUJTqsd81AEpRHHzkmXerq-oGRmPUze2mxfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7NuVr1JcyG3Z690Sabs0v7bF-k5ee8K5eg8KfjzeLz=NAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__op35OGZq0HhzaAdW4KC8Wkgw96_aKsv4gn1gha1M2QegA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvB1iFg5LUBUJTqsd81AEpRHHzkmXerq-oGRmPUze2mxfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NtDgwVZESR+K8L6Z=fT3Mz1Qua7cMn76=8uYHrFyUoRkg@mail.gmail.com>

Noted, your initial email was not clear that we were not supposed to
comment.


On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:22 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
> broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
> before the deadline.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>
>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>> July 8.
>>
>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thato
>>>
>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>
>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
>>>>> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 16:53:34 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 09:53:34 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NsfPPEjAeS1A7E+fTuJhsOh6G2A8ZaxUUxH2_LCf67gfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi

Milton is the treasurer of NCUC. NCUC funding has nothing to do with ncsg.
I have explained this many many times. the ncsg fc has no power to get
involved with its constituencies spending of their own funds. If we have
the new procedures in place by 2019 then ncsg can provide oversight for the
money that will go to ncuc bank account. At the moment ncuc ec is
responsible for that money.

There is really no pressure other than coming up with a clear operating
procedure on how to carry out fc tasks by 2019. Something you should really
focus on...



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:44 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> I would like to know if you are able to share Milton's email address
> (offline) because I need to start keeping upto date on nature, frequency
> and nature of financial activities (summative financial report) of NCSG in
> the past year or two. It will help with planning and fulfillment of the
> selected FC responsibilities as per the NCSG Charter directives (Section ),
> namely.
> - Deployment of fundraising plans for NCSG
> - Ensuring fair and equitable financial support from ICANN to NCSG it's C's
> - Determining levels of support to NCSG from ICANN finance
>
> This will provide the FC with a long term trend and sufficient information
> to get started meanwhile waiting for 2019 and before the incoming Chair
> assumes their responsibilities. This exercise with help with identification
> and understanding of leads to obtaining or recovery of  financial support
> for NCSG and its constituency from ICANN and/or external sources. This is
> critical for plenary purposes and effective integration of the FC while you
> are still around, the announcement you made has put a little pressure on
> the FC to move quicker. All are free to share their thoughts around this,
> thanks.
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>
>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>> July 8.
>>
>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thato
>>>
>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>
>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 16:54:37 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 14:54:37 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvB1iFg5LUBUJTqsd81AEpRHHzkmXerq-oGRmPUze2mxfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMc__opD2WiQwWewP_jvcNr_s0O3eDBv2oaZTvm5d8YqmRTSkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Farnaeh,
As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be in
the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except if
the comment period is over.

But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
correct that impression.

I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
Regards

On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
before the deadline.



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>
> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
> July 8.
>
> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thato
>>
>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules and
>> principles for operating procedures.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>
>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>
>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>> approving it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
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> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 17:00:56 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 10:00:56 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__opD2WiQwWewP_jvcNr_s0O3eDBv2oaZTvm5d8YqmRTSkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAN1qJvAtJTCas-ECcKUqgW45Bv0wV5hp+KJ-brzKh1_o9RAf1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I will not discuss this on FC mailing list. If you want you can bring it up
on ncsg mailing list.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:54 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry Farnaeh,
> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be in
> the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except if
> the comment period is over.
>
> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
> rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
> correct that impression.
>
> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
> the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
> Regards
>
> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
> broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
> before the deadline.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>
>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>> July 8.
>>
>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thato
>>>
>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>
>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 21:05:57 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 19:05:57 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCjKpnGs1RkKDG7eu=2ZZr6iv_X7Q2_=SkpnJOKoTv+oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAhUHs7OnvV_TF-sxhy3LSnB6boN5Ybp40-GXvrAH2Obw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMc__oqFczY97Ld_f7UeisLpnd8iwN56vaHE6Snw6fnSNH1YYQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:01 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will not discuss this on FC mailing list. If you want you can bring it
> up on ncsg mailing list.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:54 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be
>> in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except
>> if the comment period is over.
>>
>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
>> rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
>> correct that impression.
>>
>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
>> the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>> Regards
>>
>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
>> broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>> before the deadline.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>
>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>>> July 8.
>>>
>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thato
>>>>
>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 22:05:55 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:05:55 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Dear all,
Hope this meets us all well.

Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
Procedures
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
for your input and flesh-up.

We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this draft
moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for further
actions as may be decided.

Do well to acknowledge.

Regards
Remmy

Sorry Farnaeh,
As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be in
the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except if
the comment period is over.

But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
correct that impression.

I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
Regards

On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
before the deadline.



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>
> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
> July 8.
>
> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thato
>>
>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules and
>> principles for operating procedures.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>
>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>
>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>> approving it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
> Remmyn at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
-- 
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 23:48:55 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 16:48:55 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Thank you

please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> Hope this meets us all well.
>
> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
> Procedures
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
> for your input and flesh-up.
>
> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
> further actions as may be decided.
>
> Do well to acknowledge.
>
> Regards
> Remmy
>
> Sorry Farnaeh,
> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be in
> the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except if
> the comment period is over.
>
> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
> rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
> correct that impression.
>
> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
> the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
> Regards
>
> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
> broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
> before the deadline.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>
>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>> July 8.
>>
>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thato
>>>
>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>
>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 00:15:39 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 22:15:39 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Travel Policy- Not adopted yet
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Hi Farzaneh
I do not think that is entirely correct considering the oversight functions
of NCSG-FC which include auditing and reporting back to ICANN and community
etc on usage of fund appropriately.

Moreso since they are warehousing current external funding support its
imperative to get report from them and how this has been used, at least in
the last one year.

May be, you revisit the section again in our NCSG charter and like I said
earlier, we all need each other than waving off the FC.

By the way I hope you have seen the draft operating procedures shared
earlier.

Thanks

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 2:53 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Milton is the treasurer of NCUC. NCUC funding has nothing to do with ncsg.
> I have explained this many many times. the ncsg fc has no power to get
> involved with its constituencies spending of their own funds. If we have
> the new procedures in place by 2019 then ncsg can provide oversight for the
> money that will go to ncuc bank account. At the moment ncuc ec is
> responsible for that money.
>
> There is really no pressure other than coming up with a clear operating
> procedure on how to carry out fc tasks by 2019. Something you should really
> focus on...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:44 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> I would like to know if you are able to share Milton's email address
>> (offline) because I need to start keeping upto date on nature, frequency
>> and nature of financial activities (summative financial report) of NCSG in
>> the past year or two. It will help with planning and fulfillment of the
>> selected FC responsibilities as per the NCSG Charter directives (Section ),
>> namely.
>> - Deployment of fundraising plans for NCSG
>> - Ensuring fair and equitable financial support from ICANN to NCSG it's
>> C's
>> - Determining levels of support to NCSG from ICANN finance
>>
>> This will provide the FC with a long term trend and sufficient
>> information to get started meanwhile waiting for 2019 and before the
>> incoming Chair assumes their responsibilities. This exercise with help with
>> identification and understanding of leads to obtaining or recovery of
>> financial support for NCSG and its constituency from ICANN and/or external
>> sources. This is critical for plenary purposes and effective integration of
>> the FC while you are still around, the announcement you made has put a
>> little pressure on the FC to move quicker. All are free to share their
>> thoughts around this, thanks.
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>
>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>>> July 8.
>>>
>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thato
>>>>
>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 00:28:54 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 22:28:54 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but I
will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
observers inclusive before then.

Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be disrespectful
for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to turn in their
first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.

Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got to do
in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.

I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
Remmy Nweke

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you
>
> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>
>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>> Procedures
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>
>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>> further actions as may be decided.
>>
>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be
>> in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except
>> if the comment period is over.
>>
>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
>> rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
>> correct that impression.
>>
>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
>> the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>> Regards
>>
>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider the
>> broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>> before the deadline.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>
>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments in
>>> it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under its
>>> schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval on
>>> July 8.
>>>
>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it to
>>> be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should have
>>> taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thato
>>>>
>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet been
>>>>>> approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 00:44:31 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 17:44:31 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your personal
behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make comments during
this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment. Then we discuss
at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need to consult with
members again and then see if we can adopt it



On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but I
> will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
> observers inclusive before then.
>
> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>
> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got to
> do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>
> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
> Remmy Nweke
>
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you
>>
>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>
>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>> Procedures
>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>
>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>
>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be
>>> in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except
>>> if the comment period is over.
>>>
>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all committees
>>> rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good offices to
>>> correct that impression.
>>>
>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation of
>>> the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>> before the deadline.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments
>>>> in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under
>>>> its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval
>>>> on July 8.
>>>>
>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it
>>>> to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thato
>>>>>
>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
-- 
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 03:55:38 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:55:38 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Remmy,

This Paragraph:



* 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as volunteers,
without compensation. This contribution is respected and appreciated.
However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses will be
available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach events as
approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with applicable
terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots from
ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of Finance
committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I don't think
Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself from
outside funding.

Also this paragraph:

   1.

   6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:






* 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no allocation of
distributed funding based on the percentage between constituencies but
distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a more general level
set the principles on how these requests will be processed.
and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:

   1.

   or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at
   the time of disbursement.






On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your personal
> behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make comments during
> this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment. Then we discuss
> at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need to consult with
> members again and then see if we can adopt it
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but I
>> will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
>> observers inclusive before then.
>>
>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>
>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got to
>> do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>
>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>
>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>>> Procedures
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>
>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>
>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be
>>>> in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except
>>>> if the comment period is over.
>>>>
>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>
>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation
>>>> of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>>> before the deadline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments
>>>>> in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under
>>>>> its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval
>>>>> on July 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it
>>>>> to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>>>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 10:59:52 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 08:59:52 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Thanks for the comment Farzaneh

I will for now respond to the issue on sharing formula, because I know
wherever the external fund is warehoused will incur charges  of
transactions therefore, you have to provision for that incidental, whether
it's 20 or 10 per cent respectively.

The organization or community warehousing via SPV should not be
shortchanged as I expect them to give reports of what they are doing with
their funds as stipulated in the Charter, I do not think it's in our place
to dedicate to them on how to manage it but must be seen as carried along
to know what they are doing and with the available fund.

I will revert later in the day on other issues and I hope we make our
comments on the google doc so as to avoid missing any comments when some of
these are resolved. I will also move this response there too.

See you much later as I am headed out for mass.
Thanks and best of the Sunday.
Remmy

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:56 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Remmy,
>
> This Paragraph:
>
>
>
> * 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as volunteers,
> without compensation. This contribution is respected and appreciated.
> However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses will be
> available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach events as
> approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with applicable
> terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
> You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots
> from ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of
> Finance committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I
> don't think Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself
> from outside funding.
>
> Also this paragraph:
>
>    1.
>
>    6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
> distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
> for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
> cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
> agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
> disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
> pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
> evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
> F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no allocation of
> distributed funding based on the percentage between constituencies but
> distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a more general level
> set the principles on how these requests will be processed.
> and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
> administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:
>
>    1.
>
>    or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at
>    the time of disbursement.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your personal
>> behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make comments during
>> this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment. Then we discuss
>> at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need to consult with
>> members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but
>>> I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
>>> observers inclusive before then.
>>>
>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>
>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got to
>>> do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>
>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>>>> Procedures
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>
>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should
>>>>> be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public
>>>>> except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation
>>>>> of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>>>> before the deadline.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments
>>>>>> in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under
>>>>>> its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval
>>>>>> on July 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it
>>>>>> to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>>>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
-- 
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Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 11:02:38 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:02:38 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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I meant dictate not dedicate please in line four.
Thanks

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:59 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the comment Farzaneh
>
> I will for now respond to the issue on sharing formula, because I know
> wherever the external fund is warehoused will incur charges  of
> transactions therefore, you have to provision for that incidental, whether
> it's 20 or 10 per cent respectively.
>
> The organization or community warehousing via SPV should not be
> shortchanged as I expect them to give reports of what they are doing with
> their funds as stipulated in the Charter, I do not think it's in our place
> to dedicate to them on how to manage it but must be seen as carried along
> to know what they are doing and with the available fund.
>
> I will revert later in the day on other issues and I hope we make our
> comments on the google doc so as to avoid missing any comments when some of
> these are resolved. I will also move this response there too.
>
> See you much later as I am headed out for mass.
> Thanks and best of the Sunday.
> Remmy
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:56 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Remmy,
>>
>> This Paragraph:
>>
>>
>>
>> * 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as volunteers,
>> without compensation. This contribution is respected and appreciated.
>> However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses will be
>> available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach events as
>> approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with applicable
>> terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
>> You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots
>> from ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of
>> Finance committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I
>> don't think Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself
>> from outside funding.
>>
>> Also this paragraph:
>>
>>    1.
>>
>>    6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
>> distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
>> for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
>> cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
>> agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
>> disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
>> pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
>> evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
>> F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no allocation
>> of distributed funding based on the percentage between constituencies but
>> distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a more general level
>> set the principles on how these requests will be processed.
>> and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
>> administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:
>>
>>    1.
>>
>>    or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at
>>    the time of disbursement.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but
>>>> I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
>>>> observers inclusive before then.
>>>>
>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>
>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>
>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>>>>> Procedures
>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>>>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should
>>>>>> be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public
>>>>>> except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation
>>>>>> of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>>>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>>>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>>>>> before the deadline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
> Remmyn at gmail.com
>
-- 
Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 16:21:00 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:21:00 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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If that's the case and some accept your line of argument then the question
is why have ncsg bank account at all? Both npoc and ncuc have bank
accounts. Then you don't have to keep "incidental" charges. I totally do
not agree with this plan. NCSG on its own also needs to have access to
money. And this division between constituencies doesn't sound like a
solution.
I do recommend sharing this document with the members very soon.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:02 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I meant dictate not dedicate please in line four.
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:59 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the comment Farzaneh
>>
>> I will for now respond to the issue on sharing formula, because I know
>> wherever the external fund is warehoused will incur charges  of
>> transactions therefore, you have to provision for that incidental, whether
>> it's 20 or 10 per cent respectively.
>>
>> The organization or community warehousing via SPV should not be
>> shortchanged as I expect them to give reports of what they are doing with
>> their funds as stipulated in the Charter, I do not think it's in our place
>> to dedicate to them on how to manage it but must be seen as carried along
>> to know what they are doing and with the available fund.
>>
>> I will revert later in the day on other issues and I hope we make our
>> comments on the google doc so as to avoid missing any comments when some of
>> these are resolved. I will also move this response there too.
>>
>> See you much later as I am headed out for mass.
>> Thanks and best of the Sunday.
>> Remmy
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:56 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy,
>>>
>>> This Paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as
>>> volunteers, without compensation. This contribution is respected and
>>> appreciated. However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses
>>> will be available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach
>>> events as approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with
>>> applicable terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
>>> You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots
>>> from ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of
>>> Finance committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I
>>> don't think Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself
>>> from outside funding.
>>>
>>> Also this paragraph:
>>>
>>>    1.
>>>
>>>    6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
>>> distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
>>> for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
>>> cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
>>> agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
>>> disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
>>> pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
>>> evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
>>> F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no allocation
>>> of distributed funding based on the percentage between constituencies but
>>> distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a more general level
>>> set the principles on how these requests will be processed.
>>> and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
>>> administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:
>>>
>>>    1.
>>>
>>>    or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module
>>>    at the time of disbursement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should
>>>>>>> be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public
>>>>>>> except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>
> --
> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
> Remmyn at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 17:38:11 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:38:11 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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 Hi Farzaneh,

Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
with members.


Thato Mfikwe.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:21 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If that's the case and some accept your line of argument then the question
> is why have ncsg bank account at all? Both npoc and ncuc have bank
> accounts. Then you don't have to keep "incidental" charges. I totally do
> not agree with this plan. NCSG on its own also needs to have access to
> money. And this division between constituencies doesn't sound like a
> solution.
> I do recommend sharing this document with the members very soon.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:02 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I meant dictate not dedicate please in line four.
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:59 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the comment Farzaneh
>>>
>>> I will for now respond to the issue on sharing formula, because I know
>>> wherever the external fund is warehoused will incur charges  of
>>> transactions therefore, you have to provision for that incidental, whether
>>> it's 20 or 10 per cent respectively.
>>>
>>> The organization or community warehousing via SPV should not be
>>> shortchanged as I expect them to give reports of what they are doing with
>>> their funds as stipulated in the Charter, I do not think it's in our place
>>> to dedicate to them on how to manage it but must be seen as carried along
>>> to know what they are doing and with the available fund.
>>>
>>> I will revert later in the day on other issues and I hope we make our
>>> comments on the google doc so as to avoid missing any comments when some of
>>> these are resolved. I will also move this response there too.
>>>
>>> See you much later as I am headed out for mass.
>>> Thanks and best of the Sunday.
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:56 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy,
>>>>
>>>> This Paragraph:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as
>>>> volunteers, without compensation. This contribution is respected and
>>>> appreciated. However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses
>>>> will be available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach
>>>> events as approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with
>>>> applicable terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
>>>> You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots
>>>> from ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of
>>>> Finance committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I
>>>> don't think Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself
>>>> from outside funding.
>>>>
>>>> Also this paragraph:
>>>>
>>>>    1.
>>>>
>>>>    6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
>>>> distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
>>>> for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
>>>> cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
>>>> agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
>>>> disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
>>>> pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
>>>> evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
>>>> F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no allocation
>>>> of distributed funding based on the percentage between constituencies but
>>>> distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a more general level
>>>> set the principles on how these requests will be processed.
>>>> and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
>>>> administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:
>>>>
>>>>    1.
>>>>
>>>>    or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module
>>>>    at the time of disbursement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
>>>>>>>>>>>> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 18:47:10 2018
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Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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I have already put my comment in the document Remmy shared.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:38 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
> easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
> draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
> hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
> with members.
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:21 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If that's the case and some accept your line of argument then the
>> question is why have ncsg bank account at all? Both npoc and ncuc have bank
>> accounts. Then you don't have to keep "incidental" charges. I totally do
>> not agree with this plan. NCSG on its own also needs to have access to
>> money. And this division between constituencies doesn't sound like a
>> solution.
>> I do recommend sharing this document with the members very soon.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:02 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant dictate not dedicate please in line four.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:59 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comment Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> I will for now respond to the issue on sharing formula, because I know
>>>> wherever the external fund is warehoused will incur charges  of
>>>> transactions therefore, you have to provision for that incidental, whether
>>>> it's 20 or 10 per cent respectively.
>>>>
>>>> The organization or community warehousing via SPV should not be
>>>> shortchanged as I expect them to give reports of what they are doing with
>>>> their funds as stipulated in the Charter, I do not think it's in our place
>>>> to dedicate to them on how to manage it but must be seen as carried along
>>>> to know what they are doing and with the available fund.
>>>>
>>>> I will revert later in the day on other issues and I hope we make our
>>>> comments on the google doc so as to avoid missing any comments when some of
>>>> these are resolved. I will also move this response there too.
>>>>
>>>> See you much later as I am headed out for mass.
>>>> Thanks and best of the Sunday.
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:56 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remmy,
>>>>>
>>>>> This Paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as
>>>>> volunteers, without compensation. This contribution is respected and
>>>>> appreciated. However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses
>>>>> will be available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach
>>>>> events as approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with
>>>>> applicable terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
>>>>> You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots
>>>>> from ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of
>>>>> Finance committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I
>>>>> don't think Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself
>>>>> from outside funding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also this paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1.
>>>>>
>>>>>    6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
>>>>> distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
>>>>> for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
>>>>> cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
>>>>> agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
>>>>> disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
>>>>> pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
>>>>> evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
>>>>> F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no
>>>>> allocation of distributed funding based on the percentage between
>>>>> constituencies but distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a
>>>>> more general level set the principles on how these requests will be
>>>>> processed.
>>>>> and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
>>>>> administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1.
>>>>>
>>>>>    or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module
>>>>>    at the time of disbursement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
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>> Farzaneh
>>
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Of course it will be shared with members very soon. No one has said
othrewise.

Well, the incidental charges, or the per centage to be kept by NcSG-FC in
this case does not mean creating a separate account but will be like a
withholding percent in the SPV wherever it is agreed to be warehoused
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:21 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If that's the case and some accept your line of argument then the question
> is why have ncsg bank account at all? Both npoc and ncuc have bank
> accounts. Then you don't have to keep "incidental" charges. I totally do
> not agree with this plan. NCSG on its own also needs to have access to
> money. And this division between constituencies doesn't sound like a
> solution.
> I do recommend sharing this document with the members very soon.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:02 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I meant dictate not dedicate please in line four.
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:59 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the comment Farzaneh
>>>
>>> I will for now respond to the issue on sharing formula, because I know
>>> wherever the external fund is warehoused will incur charges  of
>>> transactions therefore, you have to provision for that incidental, whether
>>> it's 20 or 10 per cent respectively.
>>>
>>> The organization or community warehousing via SPV should not be
>>> shortchanged as I expect them to give reports of what they are doing with
>>> their funds as stipulated in the Charter, I do not think it's in our place
>>> to dedicate to them on how to manage it but must be seen as carried along
>>> to know what they are doing and with the available fund.
>>>
>>> I will revert later in the day on other issues and I hope we make our
>>> comments on the google doc so as to avoid missing any comments when some of
>>> these are resolved. I will also move this response there too.
>>>
>>> See you much later as I am headed out for mass.
>>> Thanks and best of the Sunday.
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:56 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy,
>>>>
>>>> This Paragraph:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * 1. Volunteer ServiceNCSG Finance Committee members serve as
>>>> volunteers, without compensation. This contribution is respected and
>>>> appreciated. However, reimbursement of reasonable and necessary expenses
>>>> will be available for travel to face-to-face meetings and to outreach
>>>> events as approved by the NCSG Finance Committee Chair, in accordance with
>>>> applicable terms of ICANN's travel reimbursement policy.*
>>>> You are aware that the Finance Committee does not receive travel slots
>>>> from ICANN? And then Finance Chair approves reimbursement of travel of
>>>> Finance committee member? From what funding? I don't agree with this. I
>>>> don't think Finance Committee can approve an allocation of travel to itself
>>>> from outside funding.
>>>>
>>>> Also this paragraph:
>>>>
>>>>    1.
>>>>
>>>>    6. Disbursement of funds to constituencies:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * 1. Any inflow arising from external funding, shall be
>>>> distributed/disbursed based on 40-40-20 formula; that is, 40 per cent each
>>>> for both constituencies (NPOC and NCUC) while the NCSG-FC retains 20 per
>>>> cent as a running cost for its administrative incidentals or as may be
>>>> agreed with exercise of voting process on best module at the time of
>>>> disbursement. 1. Also, each constituency can apply for its own funding once
>>>> pronouncement has been made on availability of any inflow with sufficient
>>>> evidence on anticipated expenditure plan.*
>>>> F NCSG has to be included in these plans. There should be no allocation
>>>> of distributed funding based on the percentage between constituencies but
>>>> distribution should be based on requests. FC should at a more general level
>>>> set the principles on how these requests will be processed.
>>>> and 20 percent goes to FC? I don't really understand why. what is
>>>> administrative incidental? Don't know what this means:
>>>>
>>>>    1.
>>>>
>>>>    or as may be agreed with exercise of voting process on best module
>>>>    at the time of disbursement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>
>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 01:16:59 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 23:16:59 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even though
I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on behalf of
NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to take a first
look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as extraneous
that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.

I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through and
made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.

However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.

Regards
____
REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
(DigitalSENSE Business News
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
<http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
<http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
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<https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>

*South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!

*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
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*NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
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On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your personal
> behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make comments during
> this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment. Then we discuss
> at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need to consult with
> members again and then see if we can adopt it
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but I
>> will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
>> observers inclusive before then.
>>
>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>
>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got to
>> do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>
>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>
>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>>> Procedures
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>
>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>
>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should be
>>>> in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public except
>>>> if the comment period is over.
>>>>
>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>
>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation
>>>> of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>>> before the deadline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments
>>>>> in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under
>>>>> its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval
>>>>> on July 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it
>>>>> to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching rules
>>>>>> and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 02:37:46 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:37:46 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
Regards

____
REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
(DigitalSENSE Business News
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
<http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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*South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
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(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!

*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>
> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through and
> made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.
>
> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>
> Regards
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>
> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>
> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments
> are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your personal
>> behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make comments during
>> this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment. Then we discuss
>> at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need to consult with
>> members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but
>>> I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
>>> observers inclusive before then.
>>>
>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>
>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got to
>>> do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>
>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>>>> Procedures
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>
>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should
>>>>> be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public
>>>>> except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation
>>>>> of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>>>> before the deadline.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some comments
>>>>>> in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency under
>>>>>> its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC approval
>>>>>> on July 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect it
>>>>>> to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide on
>>>>>>>>> approving it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>>>>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 02:39:20 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:39:20 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know if
you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
Remmy

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
> Regards
>
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>
>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through
>> and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.
>>
>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>
>> Regards
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
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>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
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>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
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>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list, but
>>>> I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC and
>>>> observers inclusive before then.
>>>>
>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>
>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>
>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating
>>>>>> Procedures
>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on this
>>>>>> draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should
>>>>>> be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public
>>>>>> except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the preparation
>>>>>> of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to consider
>>>>>> the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so that you
>>>>>> comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing list
>>>>>> before the deadline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 02:41:34 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:41:34 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Thanks

The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good doc.
Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a link. I
did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know if
> you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
> Remmy
>
>
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
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>
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>
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> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>> Regards
>>
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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>>
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>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
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>>
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>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>
>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through
>>> and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.
>>>
>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments should
>>>>>>> be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG public
>>>>>>> except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not yet
>>>>>>>>>>> been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:42:06 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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I meant in google doc not good.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks
>
> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good doc.
> Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a link. I
> did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know if
>> you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>> Remmy
>>
>>
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>
>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through
>>>> and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato got
>>>>>> to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I expect
>>>>>>>>> it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and should
>>>>>>>>> have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will decide
>>>>>>>>>>>> on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 03:04:39 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 01:04:39 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Its on google drive, but will recheck.
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I meant in google doc not good.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know if
>>> you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>>
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
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>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>
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>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
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>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through
>>>>> and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
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>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 03:13:31 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 01:13:31 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not good, may
be from Window version.

But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I meant in google doc not good.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know if
>>> you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>> Regards
>>>>
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>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read through
>>>>> and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:42 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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"good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a link
to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better to
be in Google Doc. Like this format:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing

If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a link
yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
Farzaneh


On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not good,
> may be from Window version.
>
> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>
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> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>
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> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
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> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
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> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
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>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know
>>>> if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
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>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>>>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>>>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing list,
>>>>>>>> but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the FC
>>>>>>>> and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about overarching
>>>>>>>>>>>> rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:34:54 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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I am ok with this link if it works for you, but it means people who have
already made comments on the earlier link may have to repost here too. I
just did some.

So, people lets with this one if it works for everyone.

Thanks for your understanding.
____
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a link
> to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better to
> be in Google Doc. Like this format:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a link
> yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not good,
>> may be from Window version.
>>
>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>>>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>>>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know
>>>>> if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>>>>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>>>>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Mon Jul  9 19:18:47 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:18:47 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Wiki Page Created
Message-ID: <A885A40C-02CF-4730-B9F9-69259929BC2B@icann.org>

Dear All,

A wiki page for the NCSG FC has been created at: https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ

Action items from the last meeting and Google doc link to the draft operation procedures for travel support has been uploaded.


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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 20:00:38 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 19:00:38 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Wiki Page Created
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Thanks Maryam.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> Date: 09/07/2018  18:18  (GMT+02:00) To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is> Subject: [NCSG-FC] Wiki Page Created 


Dear All,
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A wiki page for the NCSG FC has been created at:
https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ
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Action items from the last meeting and Google doc link to the draft operation procedures for travel support has been uploaded.
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 00:21:48 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:21:48 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Dear Farzaneh,
I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our guideline
to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house. There is no
one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way you did
connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well its not
a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not the
best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
Thank you and good evening to all.

REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
(DigitalSENSE Business News
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
<http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
<https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>

*South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!

*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
<http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)

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<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
_________________________________________________________________
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a link
> to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better to
> be in Google Doc. Like this format:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a link
> yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not good,
>> may be from Window version.
>>
>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>>>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>>>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know
>>>>> if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf, even
>>>>>>> though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but on
>>>>>>> behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments on
>>>>>>>>>>> this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it for
>>>>>>>>>>> further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
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>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:42:58 -0400
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Dear Remmy,


I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
with the members.

But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the list.
They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the committees'
archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called holding us
accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically as long as
I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the document.

 If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off commenting
until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly suggest not to
reject any comments that have been made so far.

Best

Farzaneh



Farzaneh


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Farzaneh,
> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our guideline
> to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house. There is no
> one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way you did
> connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well its not
> a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not the
> best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
> Thank you and good evening to all.
>
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
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> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
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> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>
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> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
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>
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> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments
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> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a link
>> to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better to
>> be in Google Doc. Like this format:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a link
>> yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not good,
>>> may be from Window version.
>>>
>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>>>>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>>>>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me know
>>>>>> if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf,
>>>>>>>> even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but
>>>>>>>> on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which Thato
>>>>>>>>>> got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for him for
>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments
>>>>>>>>>>>> on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it
>>>>>>>>>>>> for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:44:59 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Hi Farzaneh,

Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets work
on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we can
start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we can vote on
sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome regarding
agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to this
effect, thanks.



Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
Jul 8 (2 days ago)
to NCSG



Hi Farzaneh,

Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
with members


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Remmy,
>
>
> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
> shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
> with the members.
>
> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
> document.
>
>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off commenting
> until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly suggest not to
> reject any comments that have been made so far.
>
> Best
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Farzaneh,
>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our guideline
>> to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house. There is no
>> one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way you did
>> connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well its not
>> a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not the
>> best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a
>>> link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better
>>> to be in Google Doc. Like this format: https://docs.google.
>>> com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=
>>> sharing
>>>
>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a link
>>> yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not good,
>>>> may be from Window version.
>>>>
>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_
>>>> qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a good
>>>>>> doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with a
>>>>>> link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me
>>>>>>> know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf,
>>>>>>>>> even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but
>>>>>>>>> on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 19:19:05 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Sorry Thato I totally disagree. I will not vote on any section until
members have received due notice and ample of time to comment on this
document. I totally disagree with having any meeting for now before
receiving feedback from the members
.

Here is what our charter says regarding receiving members review:

section 2.4, Executive Committee

?       After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-??PC and
NCSG-??FC methods and procedures.

I suggest we keep commenting and resolving comments until Friday and then
share this with the NCSG mailing list to comment on. They should be given 3
to 4 weeks to comment. We need to resolve comments and then decide if the
document is good to be sent to NCSG EC to be approved.

Thanks






On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
> after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
> meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
> procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
> before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets work
> on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we can
> start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we can vote
> on sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome regarding
> agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to this
> effect, thanks.
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> Jul 8 (2 days ago)
> to NCSG
>
>
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
> easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
> draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
> hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
> with members
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Remmy,
>>
>>
>> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
>> shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
>> with the members.
>>
>> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
>> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
>> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
>> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
>> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
>> document.
>>
>>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off commenting
>> until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly suggest not to
>> reject any comments that have been made so far.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our
>>> guideline to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house.
>>> There is no one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way
>>> you did connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well
>>> its not a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not
>>> the best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>>
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a
>>>> link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better
>>>> to be in Google Doc. Like this format:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a link
>>>> yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not
>>>>> good, may be from Window version.
>>>>>
>>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a
>>>>>>> good doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with
>>>>>>> a link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me
>>>>>>>> know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf,
>>>>>>>>>> even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but
>>>>>>>>>> on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on your
>>>>>>>>>>> personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and
>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and prepare it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders constituency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of document for EC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 02:21:58 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Hi,

According to the minutes of our last meeting, nothing was said about
sharing the document, it is still at development/compilation/editing stage
by the FC, that is why Remmy was tasked to create it. It is too early to
make it available for public comment as it might distracts our collective
effort and prolong completing it, it is not yet complete yet.

You are right, public comments first then PC & EC approval, but first and
foremost the FC needed to exhaust available options and resources through
deliberations and resolving where we do not agree with the attempt of
creating a unified document to present to the public mailing list.

We need to work together and cooperate with each other to ensure that the
FC is respected within NCSG and is taken seriously, decision need to be
made according to procedure because a* public mailing list discussions are
open and a committee discussions are closed*, so taking a private matter to
a public platform when it is not yet open for public discussion creates
numerous problems.

For instance, an NCSG EC member cannot publicize an issue that is still
under discussion at EC level or has not been decided upon to be made public
yet, or can they?



On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:19 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry Thato I totally disagree. I will not vote on any section until
> members have received due notice and ample of time to comment on this
> document. I totally disagree with having any meeting for now before
> receiving feedback from the members
> .
>
> Here is what our charter says regarding receiving members review:
>
> section 2.4, Executive Committee
>
> ?       After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-??PC
> and NCSG-??FC methods and procedures.
>
> I suggest we keep commenting and resolving comments until Friday and then
> share this with the NCSG mailing list to comment on. They should be given 3
> to 4 weeks to comment. We need to resolve comments and then decide if the
> document is good to be sent to NCSG EC to be approved.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
>> after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
>> meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
>> procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
>> before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets
>> work on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we
>> can start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we can
>> vote on sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome
>> regarding agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to
>> this effect, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> Jul 8 (2 days ago)
>> to NCSG
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
>> easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
>> draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
>> hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
>> with members
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Remmy,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
>>> shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
>>> with the members.
>>>
>>> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
>>> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
>>> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
>>> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
>>> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
>>> document.
>>>
>>>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off commenting
>>> until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly suggest not to
>>> reject any comments that have been made so far.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our
>>>> guideline to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house.
>>>> There is no one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way
>>>> you did connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well
>>>> its not a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not
>>>> the best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>>>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>>>
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a
>>>>> link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better
>>>>> to be in Google Doc. Like this format: https://docs.google.
>>>>> com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=
>>>>> sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a
>>>>> link yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not
>>>>>> good, may be from Window version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_
>>>>>> qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a
>>>>>>>> good doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with
>>>>>>>> a link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me
>>>>>>>>> know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf,
>>>>>>>>>>> even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but
>>>>>>>>>>> on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is
>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on
>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare it for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituency under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for EC approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 21:02:46 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Thato

When you say discussions are closed, what do you mean exactly? This is not
a private matter, it's just that it is being discussed here in the FC but
the mailing list archive is publicly available. So everyone can see these
emails and discussions.

Moreover, According to our charter:

*2.6.5. NCSG-??FC Mailing List*



?       All NCSG-??FC full members and observers will be subscribed to the
NCSG-??FC mailing list;



?       The NCSG-??FC list will maintain an open archive;



?       *For non-??subscribers, the list will be moderated. Comments from
NCSG members relevant to ongoing discussions will be forwarded to the
NCSG-??FC list by the list moderator.*


So as the charter says, the NCSG members even now can chime in and send an
email to this mailing list which will be forwarded by the moderator.


In EC I usually put the operating procedures up for a couple of days, EC
members chime in if we can resolve the issue then we will if not after a
couple of days I send it to the mailing list for members to have a look,
add, or suggest clarification or suggest to remove sections etc. EC members
can do so as well concurrently.

Yes we can deliberate and discuss and come up with a document that can be
shared with members on Friday. But it won't be final and we cannot vote on
it at all until members have seen it. If we can agree and resolve as many
things as we can by Friday, then good. If not sharing it on the mailing
list for members to weigh in is not a problem.

I suggest you both go through the document until Friday, we resolve as many
issues as we can and for the ones we cannot resolve they remain until
members chime in.

In the meantime, if a member wants to chime in even now they should be able
to do so.

Best






Farzaneh


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> According to the minutes of our last meeting, nothing was said about
> sharing the document, it is still at development/compilation/editing stage
> by the FC, that is why Remmy was tasked to create it. It is too early to
> make it available for public comment as it might distracts our collective
> effort and prolong completing it, it is not yet complete yet.
>
> You are right, public comments first then PC & EC approval, but first and
> foremost the FC needed to exhaust available options and resources through
> deliberations and resolving where we do not agree with the attempt of
> creating a unified document to present to the public mailing list.
>
> We need to work together and cooperate with each other to ensure that the
> FC is respected within NCSG and is taken seriously, decision need to be
> made according to procedure because a* public mailing list discussions
> are open and a committee discussions are closed*, so taking a private
> matter to a public platform when it is not yet open for public discussion
> creates numerous problems.
>
> For instance, an NCSG EC member cannot publicize an issue that is still
> under discussion at EC level or has not been decided upon to be made public
> yet, or can they?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:19 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Thato I totally disagree. I will not vote on any section until
>> members have received due notice and ample of time to comment on this
>> document. I totally disagree with having any meeting for now before
>> receiving feedback from the members
>> .
>>
>> Here is what our charter says regarding receiving members review:
>>
>> section 2.4, Executive Committee
>>
>> ?       After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-??PC
>> and NCSG-??FC methods and procedures.
>>
>> I suggest we keep commenting and resolving comments until Friday and then
>> share this with the NCSG mailing list to comment on. They should be given 3
>> to 4 weeks to comment. We need to resolve comments and then decide if the
>> document is good to be sent to NCSG EC to be approved.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
>>> after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
>>> meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
>>> procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
>>> before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets
>>> work on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we
>>> can start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we can
>>> vote on sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome
>>> regarding agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to
>>> this effect, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> Jul 8 (2 days ago)
>>> to NCSG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
>>> easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
>>> draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
>>> hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
>>> with members
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Remmy,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
>>>> shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
>>>> with the members.
>>>>
>>>> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
>>>> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
>>>> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
>>>> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
>>>> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
>>>> document.
>>>>
>>>>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off
>>>> commenting until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly
>>>> suggest not to reject any comments that have been made so far.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>>>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our
>>>>> guideline to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house.
>>>>> There is no one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way
>>>>> you did connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well
>>>>> its not a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not
>>>>> the best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>>>>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>>>>
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a
>>>>>> link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better
>>>>>> to be in Google Doc. Like this format:
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a
>>>>>> link yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not
>>>>>>> good, may be from Window version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a
>>>>>>>>> good doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with
>>>>>>>>> a link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me
>>>>>>>>>> know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal behalf,
>>>>>>>>>>>> even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal level but
>>>>>>>>>>>> on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who needed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we can see as
>>>>>>>>>>>> extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is
>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT NCSG-FC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare it for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituency under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for EC approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 08:37:39 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:37:39 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
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Hi Farzaneh
Hope we all are good.

*"For non-??subscribers, the list will be moderated. Comments from NCSG
members relevant to ongoing discussions will be forwarded to the NCSG-??FC
list by the list moderator.*"

>From the above, its intents and purposes, it showed that while opening up
the discussions, some measures must be put in place to enable moderating,
and that has not been done or agreed to open-up even though we have an open
archive, therefore the intent to share the discussions or procedure under
discussion rests with the list moderator, which in this case is the NCSG-FC
chair and not any other way. So, a member cannot chime in for now, until
the clean up is done. I personally will not like us to be seen as a divided
house despite our differences.

I also think the chair has explained this enough for us to make progress.
That we decide on resolving comments for now does not anyway mean final
voting, its just to enable us progress to the next level. As far as I am
concerned, a house divided within itself is not likely to make progress.
Yes, we may not agree on all points until certain clarifications are made.
So having a meeting to resolve any unclear session before sending it to
general house mailing list, not EC now, is the best route. I think
forwarding it to EC after dealing with public comments will be appropriate.

Can anyone remember the duration stipulated for this or is it at the
discretion of chair? I think 7 days to 14 days is enough, definitely not 4
weeks.

Please lets us avoid comments that will divide us further. And it may be
good if observations on the operating procedures are made with suggestions,
rather than declaration for "delete" especially for a whole session, until
resolution time, or at best seek clarification, to help us all understand
the rationale, then if its not justifying enough, it could be deleted.

Best of the day to us all.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:03 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thato
>
> When you say discussions are closed, what do you mean exactly? This is not
> a private matter, it's just that it is being discussed here in the FC but
> the mailing list archive is publicly available. So everyone can see these
> emails and discussions.
>
> Moreover, According to our charter:
>
> *2.6.5. NCSG-??FC Mailing List*
>
>
>
> ?       All NCSG-??FC full members and observers will be subscribed to
> the NCSG-??FC mailing list;
>
>
>
> ?       The NCSG-??FC list will maintain an open archive;
>
>
>
> ?       *For non-??subscribers, the list will be moderated. Comments from
> NCSG members relevant to ongoing discussions will be forwarded to the
> NCSG-??FC list by the list moderator.*
>
>
> So as the charter says, the NCSG members even now can chime in and send an
> email to this mailing list which will be forwarded by the moderator.
>
>
> In EC I usually put the operating procedures up for a couple of days, EC
> members chime in if we can resolve the issue then we will if not after a
> couple of days I send it to the mailing list for members to have a look,
> add, or suggest clarification or suggest to remove sections etc. EC members
> can do so as well concurrently.
>
> Yes we can deliberate and discuss and come up with a document that can be
> shared with members on Friday. But it won't be final and we cannot vote on
> it at all until members have seen it. If we can agree and resolve as many
> things as we can by Friday, then good. If not sharing it on the mailing
> list for members to weigh in is not a problem.
>
> I suggest you both go through the document until Friday, we resolve as
> many issues as we can and for the ones we cannot resolve they remain until
> members chime in.
>
> In the meantime, if a member wants to chime in even now they should be
> able to do so.
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> According to the minutes of our last meeting, nothing was said about
>> sharing the document, it is still at development/compilation/editing stage
>> by the FC, that is why Remmy was tasked to create it. It is too early to
>> make it available for public comment as it might distracts our collective
>> effort and prolong completing it, it is not yet complete yet.
>>
>> You are right, public comments first then PC & EC approval, but first and
>> foremost the FC needed to exhaust available options and resources through
>> deliberations and resolving where we do not agree with the attempt of
>> creating a unified document to present to the public mailing list.
>>
>> We need to work together and cooperate with each other to ensure that the
>> FC is respected within NCSG and is taken seriously, decision need to be
>> made according to procedure because a* public mailing list discussions
>> are open and a committee discussions are closed*, so taking a private
>> matter to a public platform when it is not yet open for public discussion
>> creates numerous problems.
>>
>> For instance, an NCSG EC member cannot publicize an issue that is still
>> under discussion at EC level or has not been decided upon to be made public
>> yet, or can they?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:19 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Thato I totally disagree. I will not vote on any section until
>>> members have received due notice and ample of time to comment on this
>>> document. I totally disagree with having any meeting for now before
>>> receiving feedback from the members
>>> .
>>>
>>> Here is what our charter says regarding receiving members review:
>>>
>>> section 2.4, Executive Committee
>>>
>>> ?       After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-??PC
>>> and NCSG-??FC methods and procedures.
>>>
>>> I suggest we keep commenting and resolving comments until Friday and
>>> then share this with the NCSG mailing list to comment on. They should be
>>> given 3 to 4 weeks to comment. We need to resolve comments and then decide
>>> if the document is good to be sent to NCSG EC to be approved.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
>>>> after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
>>>> meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
>>>> procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
>>>> before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets
>>>> work on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we
>>>> can start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we
>>>> can vote on sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome
>>>> regarding agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to
>>>> this effect, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> Jul 8 (2 days ago)
>>>> to NCSG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
>>>> easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
>>>> draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
>>>> hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
>>>> with members
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Remmy,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
>>>>> shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
>>>>> with the members.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
>>>>> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
>>>>> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
>>>>> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
>>>>> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
>>>>> document.
>>>>>
>>>>>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off
>>>>> commenting until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly
>>>>> suggest not to reject any comments that have been made so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>>>>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our
>>>>>> guideline to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house.
>>>>>> There is no one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way
>>>>>> you did connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well
>>>>>> its not a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not
>>>>>> the best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>>>>>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a
>>>>>>> link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better
>>>>>>> to be in Google Doc. Like this format:
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a
>>>>>>> link yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not
>>>>>>>> good, may be from Window version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a
>>>>>>>>>> good doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with
>>>>>>>>>> a link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me
>>>>>>>>>>> know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf, even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> level but on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can see as extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare it for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituency under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for EC approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITRealms | NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Junction, Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 08172004283 Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 02:57:19 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:57:19 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvAjzJdNkitoP5ymBdFe0eFCZfjGCGN3iNt5G0mJTVDFoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to NCSG
FC operating procedures.

Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#

Best







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From remmyn at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 19:55:07 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:55:07 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvAjzJdNkitoP5ymBdFe0eFCZfjGCGN3iNt5G0mJTVDFoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAjzJdNkitoP5ymBdFe0eFCZfjGCGN3iNt5G0mJTVDFoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__or=GRGSrm3CmvSS59EK9qFXe9xdU5oJ6c07dbsx1EmW1w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
Keep well

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to NCSG
> FC operating procedures.
>
> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 18:47:51 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:47:51 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__or=GRGSrm3CmvSS59EK9qFXe9xdU5oJ6c07dbsx1EmW1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvAjzJdNkitoP5ymBdFe0eFCZfjGCGN3iNt5G0mJTVDFoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__or=GRGSrm3CmvSS59EK9qFXe9xdU5oJ6c07dbsx1EmW1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nt3Fp2F5-g_ieaQXEyxmkzmWwx4xH6nx911eKf9iVtLqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.

*Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
comment):*
Section 1: Obligations of FC members
iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds

Section 2: Opening an account
ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
consensus, edits already made are ok

Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me

Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to
monitor
iii.
a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
c & d. Removal
e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted

Section 5: Disbursement of funds
v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
the FC regarding this
vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan
their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
fund constituencies, please provide your comments

2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?

3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
other issues via email, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

.






On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
> Keep well
>
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to NCSG
>> FC operating procedures.
>>
>> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt
>> 1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 23:12:07 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:12:07 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC]  DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures - First Clean copy
Message-ID: <CAMc__ootgD1+Sncb7k8o2YXtsuONJH6sWM_9Xmnd31ycP2_DjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all
I think we have discussed a lot on this operating procedures in the past
one week and hereby request FC chair to call for a meeting to harmonise
some of the issues raised, so we can share a relatively first clean copy to
the membership as soon as possible and probably appoint a penholder since
Farzaneh unilaterally changed the setting of the document without any
recourse to me or to this committee.

Although I am not offended by the change in setting, but I think I have
done my draft as assigned from our last meeting and will still be available
if the assignment should continue in that capacity.

As earlier outlined, after this first clean copy, it will be shared to
members with a dateline and we clean it up with the members comment where
appropriate and then send it to NCSG-EC for review/further comments and
approval.

I so submit Mr. Chairman.

Regards
____
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:03 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thato
>
> When you say discussions are closed, what do you mean exactly? This is not
> a private matter, it's just that it is being discussed here in the FC but
> the mailing list archive is publicly available. So everyone can see these
> emails and discussions.
>
> Moreover, According to our charter:
>
> *2.6.5. NCSG-??FC Mailing List*
>
>
>
> ?       All NCSG-??FC full members and observers will be subscribed to
> the NCSG-??FC mailing list;
>
>
>
> ?       The NCSG-??FC list will maintain an open archive;
>
>
>
> ?       *For non-??subscribers, the list will be moderated. Comments from
> NCSG members relevant to ongoing discussions will be forwarded to the
> NCSG-??FC list by the list moderator.*
>
>
> So as the charter says, the NCSG members even now can chime in and send an
> email to this mailing list which will be forwarded by the moderator.
>
>
> In EC I usually put the operating procedures up for a couple of days, EC
> members chime in if we can resolve the issue then we will if not after a
> couple of days I send it to the mailing list for members to have a look,
> add, or suggest clarification or suggest to remove sections etc. EC members
> can do so as well concurrently.
>
> Yes we can deliberate and discuss and come up with a document that can be
> shared with members on Friday. But it won't be final and we cannot vote on
> it at all until members have seen it. If we can agree and resolve as many
> things as we can by Friday, then good. If not sharing it on the mailing
> list for members to weigh in is not a problem.
>
> I suggest you both go through the document until Friday, we resolve as
> many issues as we can and for the ones we cannot resolve they remain until
> members chime in.
>
> In the meantime, if a member wants to chime in even now they should be
> able to do so.
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> According to the minutes of our last meeting, nothing was said about
>> sharing the document, it is still at development/compilation/editing stage
>> by the FC, that is why Remmy was tasked to create it. It is too early to
>> make it available for public comment as it might distracts our collective
>> effort and prolong completing it, it is not yet complete yet.
>>
>> You are right, public comments first then PC & EC approval, but first and
>> foremost the FC needed to exhaust available options and resources through
>> deliberations and resolving where we do not agree with the attempt of
>> creating a unified document to present to the public mailing list.
>>
>> We need to work together and cooperate with each other to ensure that the
>> FC is respected within NCSG and is taken seriously, decision need to be
>> made according to procedure because a* public mailing list discussions
>> are open and a committee discussions are closed*, so taking a private
>> matter to a public platform when it is not yet open for public discussion
>> creates numerous problems.
>>
>> For instance, an NCSG EC member cannot publicize an issue that is still
>> under discussion at EC level or has not been decided upon to be made public
>> yet, or can they?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:19 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Thato I totally disagree. I will not vote on any section until
>>> members have received due notice and ample of time to comment on this
>>> document. I totally disagree with having any meeting for now before
>>> receiving feedback from the members
>>> .
>>>
>>> Here is what our charter says regarding receiving members review:
>>>
>>> section 2.4, Executive Committee
>>>
>>> ?       After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-??PC
>>> and NCSG-??FC methods and procedures.
>>>
>>> I suggest we keep commenting and resolving comments until Friday and
>>> then share this with the NCSG mailing list to comment on. They should be
>>> given 3 to 4 weeks to comment. We need to resolve comments and then decide
>>> if the document is good to be sent to NCSG EC to be approved.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
>>>> after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
>>>> meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
>>>> procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
>>>> before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets
>>>> work on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we
>>>> can start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we
>>>> can vote on sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome
>>>> regarding agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to
>>>> this effect, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> Jul 8 (2 days ago)
>>>> to NCSG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it becomes
>>>> easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment on the
>>>> draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for comment,
>>>> hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc to share
>>>> with members
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Remmy,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should be
>>>>> shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of time
>>>>> with the members.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
>>>>> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
>>>>> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
>>>>> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
>>>>> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
>>>>> document.
>>>>>
>>>>>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off
>>>>> commenting until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly
>>>>> suggest not to reject any comments that have been made so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>>>>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our
>>>>>> guideline to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house.
>>>>>> There is no one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way
>>>>>> you did connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well
>>>>>> its not a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not
>>>>>> the best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>>>>>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is a
>>>>>>> link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's better
>>>>>>> to be in Google Doc. Like this format:
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a
>>>>>>> link yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not
>>>>>>>> good, may be from Window version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a
>>>>>>>>>> good doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with
>>>>>>>>>> a link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let me
>>>>>>>>>>> know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
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>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf, even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> level but on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can see as extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have read
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare it for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituency under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for EC approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 00:15:09 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:15:09 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] DRAFT NCSG-FC Operating Procedures - First Clean copy
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Hi

I made that Google doc link for ease of commenting. You have received
editing rights now and can make it clean.


Farzaneh


On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
> I think we have discussed a lot on this operating procedures in the past
> one week and hereby request FC chair to call for a meeting to harmonise
> some of the issues raised, so we can share a relatively first clean copy to
> the membership as soon as possible and probably appoint a penholder since
> Farzaneh unilaterally changed the setting of the document without any
> recourse to me or to this committee.
>
> Although I am not offended by the change in setting, but I think I have
> done my draft as assigned from our last meeting and will still be available
> if the assignment should continue in that capacity.
>
> As earlier outlined, after this first clean copy, it will be shared to
> members with a dateline and we clean it up with the members comment where
> appropriate and then send it to NCSG-EC for review/further comments and
> approval.
>
> I so submit Mr. Chairman.
>
> Regards
> ____
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> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:03 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thato
>>
>> When you say discussions are closed, what do you mean exactly? This is
>> not a private matter, it's just that it is being discussed here in the FC
>> but the mailing list archive is publicly available. So everyone can see
>> these emails and discussions.
>>
>> Moreover, According to our charter:
>>
>> *2.6.5. NCSG-??FC Mailing List*
>>
>>
>>
>> ?       All NCSG-??FC full members and observers will be subscribed to
>> the NCSG-??FC mailing list;
>>
>>
>>
>> ?       The NCSG-??FC list will maintain an open archive;
>>
>>
>>
>> ?       *For non-??subscribers, the list will be moderated. Comments
>> from NCSG members relevant to ongoing discussions will be forwarded to the
>> NCSG-??FC list by the list moderator.*
>>
>>
>> So as the charter says, the NCSG members even now can chime in and send
>> an email to this mailing list which will be forwarded by the moderator.
>>
>>
>> In EC I usually put the operating procedures up for a couple of days, EC
>> members chime in if we can resolve the issue then we will if not after a
>> couple of days I send it to the mailing list for members to have a look,
>> add, or suggest clarification or suggest to remove sections etc. EC members
>> can do so as well concurrently.
>>
>> Yes we can deliberate and discuss and come up with a document that can be
>> shared with members on Friday. But it won't be final and we cannot vote on
>> it at all until members have seen it. If we can agree and resolve as many
>> things as we can by Friday, then good. If not sharing it on the mailing
>> list for members to weigh in is not a problem.
>>
>> I suggest you both go through the document until Friday, we resolve as
>> many issues as we can and for the ones we cannot resolve they remain until
>> members chime in.
>>
>> In the meantime, if a member wants to chime in even now they should be
>> able to do so.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> According to the minutes of our last meeting, nothing was said about
>>> sharing the document, it is still at development/compilation/editing stage
>>> by the FC, that is why Remmy was tasked to create it. It is too early to
>>> make it available for public comment as it might distracts our collective
>>> effort and prolong completing it, it is not yet complete yet.
>>>
>>> You are right, public comments first then PC & EC approval, but first
>>> and foremost the FC needed to exhaust available options and resources
>>> through deliberations and resolving where we do not agree with the attempt
>>> of creating a unified document to present to the public mailing list.
>>>
>>> We need to work together and cooperate with each other to ensure that
>>> the FC is respected within NCSG and is taken seriously, decision need to be
>>> made according to procedure because a* public mailing list discussions
>>> are open and a committee discussions are closed*, so taking a private
>>> matter to a public platform when it is not yet open for public discussion
>>> creates numerous problems.
>>>
>>> For instance, an NCSG EC member cannot publicize an issue that is still
>>> under discussion at EC level or has not been decided upon to be made public
>>> yet, or can they?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:19 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry Thato I totally disagree. I will not vote on any section until
>>>> members have received due notice and ample of time to comment on this
>>>> document. I totally disagree with having any meeting for now before
>>>> receiving feedback from the members
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Here is what our charter says regarding receiving members review:
>>>>
>>>> section 2.4, Executive Committee
>>>>
>>>> ?       After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-??PC
>>>> and NCSG-??FC methods and procedures.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest we keep commenting and resolving comments until Friday and
>>>> then share this with the NCSG mailing list to comment on. They should be
>>>> given 3 to 4 weeks to comment. We need to resolve comments and then decide
>>>> if the document is good to be sent to NCSG EC to be approved.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>>
>>>>> Remmy was referring to the email I sent regarding sharing the document
>>>>> after the FC has consolidated it by Friday (see below). Anyway planning a
>>>>> meeting by Friday or sometime next week to review the operational
>>>>> procedures as the FC so that we can solicit feedback from the NCSG EC
>>>>> before sharing publicly, would be a good step forward, *for now lets
>>>>> work on finishing with our comment as the FC by tomorrow 9pm UTC so that we
>>>>> can start to consolidate as from Wednesda*y. In our next meeting we
>>>>> can vote on sections which we do not agree on. Any comments are welcome
>>>>> regarding agenda items because I want to ask Maryam to create a doodle to
>>>>> this effect, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>> Jul 8 (2 days ago)
>>>>> to NCSG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please place your comments on the Google doc so that it
>>>>> becomes easier to follow on and resolve. Eventually the FC needs to comment
>>>>> on the draft operational procedures before sharing with membership for
>>>>> comment, hopefully by next Friday we can have a consolidated and clean doc
>>>>> to share with members
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:42 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Remmy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to say I don't agree with your guidelines. I think it should
>>>>>> be shared. I always share my first drafts within a very short period of
>>>>>> time with the members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that said,  I didn't share the direct link to the document on the
>>>>>> list. They must have gotten to the link because I shared all the
>>>>>> committees' archives on the list (FC, PC and EC) under my email called
>>>>>> holding us accountable, nothing mentions operating procedures specifically
>>>>>> as long as I remember. I didn't invite anyone to comment directly on the
>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  If you want as the penholder can remind the list to hold off
>>>>>> commenting until Friday. Which I really don't agree with, but strongly
>>>>>> suggest not to reject any comments that have been made so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Farzaneh,
>>>>>>> I must express my displeasure on your over-ruling the FC on our
>>>>>>> guideline to get first draft refreshed before its shared to the house.
>>>>>>> There is no one here who said it will not be shared, but sharing it the way
>>>>>>> you did connotes a lot including disregard to others and knowing fully well
>>>>>>> its not a private policy document. Jumping the gun in this instance, is not
>>>>>>> the best practices for committee assignment. Please, lets avoid a repeat.
>>>>>>> Thank you and good evening to all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
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>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:18 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "good" was autocorrect. I meant "google". The document you have is
>>>>>>>> a link to is a Google Drive link. Normally for ease of commenting it's
>>>>>>>> better to be in Google Doc. Like this format:
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to be owner of the doc above then you need to create a
>>>>>>>> link yourself or we can just go to the link I created.
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:13 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please let me know what the issues are that made the document not
>>>>>>>>> good, may be from Window version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But here is it again, I have to move it out of a folder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:42 AM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I meant in google doc not good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:41 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The finance committee operating procedure you shared is not in a
>>>>>>>>>>> good doc. Can you please put it in a Google doc and make it available with
>>>>>>>>>>> a link. I did comment on Google drive but I think Google doc is better.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:39 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also responded to some of the issues/observations. Let
>>>>>>>>>>>> me know if you are satisfied for it to be resolved. Or still have question.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:37 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I mean to say, I have not seen Renata online lately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, there is no way it will be shared on my personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf, even though I took up the assignment, but it was not on personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level but on behalf of NCSG-FC, hence I have to report back to the FC, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to take a first look at the draft and check if there are things we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can see as extraneous that could be adjusted or removed entirely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Don't worry, it will be shared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect that by Thursday this week, everyone should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read through and made observations, then we can update and share, at most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have seen Renata online lately here, I hope all is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IPv6 Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really remmy. First draft can be shared with members on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal behalf, set a deadline for their comments. FC can also make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments during this time. You can give the members 3-4  weeks to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we discuss at FC level. If we make major substantive changes we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consult with members again and then see if we can adopt it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Farzaneh, of course it will be shared at the NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list, but I will advise we review it first, take in a few comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the FC and observers inclusive before then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before now no body here has seen it outside me, so it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be disrespectful for now until may be by end of this coming week for people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn in their first phase of review/comments if any on the draft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bearing in mind if it goes out, it's on behalf of FC, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato got to do in his current capacity as chair, I can only deputise for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I so plead and thanks for your understanding madam chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:49 pm farzaneh badii, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please share this on the ncsg mailing list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this meets us all well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the Google Doc link to the DRAFT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC Operating Procedures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15v4rGUoLR1EOkCLZKhM_qqMWCv8MM6xA/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your input and flesh-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may need also agree on the duration of period for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments on this draft moving forward to enable us resolve the draft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare it for further actions as may be decided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do well to acknowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Farnaeh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I appreciate your intentions, I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments should be in the Google Doc, Which I think is still available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG public except if the comment period is over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But basically the document should be all encompassing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all committees rather than exclusive for PC and urge you to use your good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices to correct that impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking why FC was not even considered in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparation of the document ab nitio. It will be nice to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2018 2:22 pm, "farzaneh badii" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only shared this document with you as finance committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to consider the broader principles of operating procedures. I did not share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you comment as FC. If you have comments please share with NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list before the deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this across  Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have taken time to run through it and has since added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some comments in it believing that NCSG is for all the stakeholders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituency under its schedule and I hope it's resolved as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for EC approval on July 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PC focus of the document for me is a little myopic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I expect it to be all encompassing and looking at the big picture of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG and should have taken other relevant committees under NCSG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:29 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I only sent this for FC as a sample to think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overarching rules and principles for operating procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:03 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Farzii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will take time to look at it and provide comments,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 4:34 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below a link to NCSG travel policy which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not yet been approved by NCSG EC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The EC will discuss this policy after 8 July and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will decide on approving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sSJWajPGAIz9_mwNFiS7YlUg5CYtKdN5HejtaVojXo0/edit#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 01:32:02 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 23:32:02 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
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 Hi Thato et al
Thanks too for this mail. I sent us a separate mail. Not sure you got or
saw it before this. However, my response will be in line of your mail.

1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.

*Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
comment):*
Section 1: Obligations of FC members
iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight
as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation
meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.

Section 2: Opening an account
ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
consensus, edits already made are ok
Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
decision sir.

Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
so as to accommodate any funder at all.


Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to
monitor
iii.
a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
c & d. Removal
e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
Rephrasing has already been done by me and pasted there but because I do
not have editing powers, it was not adjusted and we need to look at it
together.

Section 5: Disbursement of funds
v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
the FC regarding this
I think that the Operating Procedure will help us develop the disbursing
formula, so that when we are sending or sharing this with our community, it
will be a little comprehensive. Like i said earlier, we FC needs to meet to
harmonise some of these thoughts before sharing, otherwise it will amount
to sharing our dirty clothing in the public. And the haste to share this
without resolving these thoughts connotes a different agenda that we must
watch.

vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan
their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
fund constituencies, *please provide your comments*.

2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?

Mr. Chairman, I am still in as the penholder, that is if Farzaneh has
reinstated that, but then, this document will not be ready from my end by
17pm UTC tomorrow as proposed, because I already have a scheduled field
visit on Friday and may not come back or even with steady access until
Saturday morning. And I am not sure why the haste to share this without
resolving the various thoughts already made by FC members.

3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
other issues via email, thanks.

This point, I raised it earlier and it should be Farzaneh that should
provide an answer because she shared the link in the name of 'Hold us
accountable" topic. Although I was expecting her to correct herself and
follow the guideline you as chair earlier shared with us on how to move
forward. I also think the sanctity of FC needed to be respected and we must
see ourselves as one to make progress.

For us to have a harmonised discuss, there should be a formal meeting
beginning with a doodle to enable people adjust their time schedules since
we are not all in the same time zone.

I honestly do not know why you want us to hurriedly close the editing and
continue discussion online. Once the draft is shared, its FC that shared it
and is responsible for its content and I would not like us to start
sounding like broken bottle at the community space, except if there are
questions that needed clarifications, so as to avoid us dominating discuss
on the community space.

My two cents
Good night.
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
> we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>
> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
> comment):*
> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>
> Section 2: Opening an account
> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
> consensus, edits already made are ok
>
> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>
> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to
> monitor
> iii.
> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
> c & d. Removal
> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>
> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
> the FC regarding this
> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan
> their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
> fund constituencies, please provide your comments
>
> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
> have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>
> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
> editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
> an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
> If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
> other issues via email, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
>> Keep well
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to
>>> NCSG FC operating procedures.
>>>
>>> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 04:12:22 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 02:12:22 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy
Message-ID: <CAMc__ore3ycevqNi=z2Xg+E14tUucW7HVgh4XYdP9FPbSydN1A@mail.gmail.com>

Please see link for the first clean copy.

Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except
if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 05:17:47 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:17:47 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
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Thanks. Please see my comments inline

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 6:32 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Thato et al
> Thanks too for this mail. I sent us a separate mail. Not sure you got or
> saw it before this. However, my response will be in line of your mail.
>
> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
> we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>
> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
> comment):*
> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight
> as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation
> meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.
>
> Section 2: Opening an account
> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
> consensus, edits already made are ok
> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
> decision sir.
>
For the first draft to be reviewed by members, while declaring that FC has
not made any consensus decision, its OK.

>
> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>
I have responded to Remmy on Google doc. The only external funding to NCSG
in 2019 I believe is going to be PIR. For any other external funding to be
made to NCSG, I have added a language that the external funder can decide
which constituency They want to use.

You could make the paragraph general anD say the funder can decide. I don't
recommend it in case of PIR.


>
> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to
> monitor
> iii.
> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
> c & d. Removal
> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
> Rephrasing has already been done by me and pasted there but because I do
> not have editing powers, it was not adjusted and we need to look at it
> together.
>
At the moment rephrase of removal is fine with me except. the ICANN staff
removal which should be thoroughly removed. We don't escalate things to the
CEO if there is a problem with staff support. As the last resort we
escalate to senior staff in charge. I don't at all recommend anything to be
mentioned about staff.

>
> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
> the FC regarding this
> I think that the Operating Procedure will help us develop the disbursing
> formula, so that when we are sending or sharing this with our community, it
> will be a little comprehensive. Like i said earlier, we FC needs to meet to
> harmonise some of these thoughts before sharing, otherwise it will amount
> to sharing our dirty clothing in the public. And the haste to share this
> without resolving these thoughts connotes a different agenda that we must
> watch.
>
I have suggested language for disbursement. Being  honest with members
about disagreements is nothing to be ashamed of. They can help us with
their comments.

>
> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan
> their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
> fund constituencies, *please provide your comments*.
>
> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
> have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>
> Mr. Chairman, I am still in as the penholder, that is if Farzaneh has
> reinstated that, but then, this document will not be ready from my end by
> 17pm UTC tomorrow as proposed, because I already have a scheduled field
> visit on Friday and may not come back or even with steady access until
> Saturday morning. And I am not sure why the haste to share this without
> resolving the various thoughts already made by FC members.
>

Yes. Let's not be hasty. Another week or two would not really affect Fc.
Remember there is no external funding waiting for us now. This is all for
2019.

>
>
> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
> editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
> an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
> If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
> other issues via email, thanks.
>
> This point, I raised it earlier and it should be Farzaneh that should
> provide an answer because she shared the link in the name of 'Hold us
> accountable" topic. Although I was expecting her to correct herself and
> follow the guideline you as chair earlier shared with us on how to move
> forward. I also think the sanctity of FC needed to be respected and we must
> see ourselves as one to make progress.
>

There is nothing to correct myself about. This list is open archive.  I
never anniunced comment on this link. A member has been curious enough to
see our activities, they can click on any link and comment. They can even
send an email to this mailing list according to the charter and I encourage
the moderator not to stop it from reaching us. You cant really stop
comments. What you could do is to say their comments will be considered
during  the comment period.
Sanctity? No. Sorry weren't you talking about dirty clothing? There is no
sanctity. There are disagreements. Open to be discussed.



> For us to have a harmonised discuss, there should be a formal meeting
> beginning with a doodle to enable people adjust their time schedules since
> we are not all in the same time zone.
>
> I honestly do not know why you want us to hurriedly close the editing and
> continue discussion online. Once the draft is shared, its FC that shared it
> and is responsible for its content and I would not like us to start
> sounding like broken bottle at the community space, except if there are
> questions that needed clarifications, so as to avoid us dominating discuss
> on the community space.
>
I have said multiple times. No rush. Let's see if we can come to an
agreement during a meeting.

I am going to a retreat until the end of July. Let's have a meeting during
the month of August.

This doesn't mean FC has to stop its fundraising activities. Let's
prioritize. We don't have external funding yet. So You don't really need to
focus how to disburse funded. Fundraising activities can be done. We can
pick other activtivities.

My many many cents and dollar bills.

Best

Farzaneh






> My two cents
> Good night.
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> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
>> we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
>> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
>> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>>
>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>> comment):*
>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>>
>> Section 2: Opening an account
>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>>
>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>>
>> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
>> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult
>> to monitor
>> iii.
>> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
>> c & d. Removal
>> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>>
>> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
>> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
>> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
>> the FC regarding this
>> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to
>> plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
>> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
>> fund constituencies, please provide your comments
>>
>> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
>> have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
>> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
>> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
>> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>>
>> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
>> editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
>> an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
>> If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
>> other issues via email, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
>>> Keep well
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to
>>>> NCSG FC operating procedures.
>>>>
>>>> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
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From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:28:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
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Hi Remmy, Farzaneh and all,

Thanks for all the hardwork and apologies for the late night sleep as a
result :)

Please let me know when you propose we share the document because the
community was expecting to get it today and Farzaneh refuses to finalising
the FC comments before the community input, which according to me does not
make sense because we need to present a document that has been collectively
developed by the FC, also noting minority views on certain clauses we do
not agree on.

@Remmy, based on the work you have already done, I would like to believe
that now you were granted editing right.

We can leave the disbursement formula for the community to comment on and
make a decision from there because it seems like all our views are
different on how this needs to be done, not sure what Farzaneh's intake or
solution on 'the disbursement formula is. Lets try come up with
alternatives where we do not agree to smooth things up.

We need to all agree on a date or period when we can have an online meeting
to harmonise the OP and yes, Farzaneh, please explain why James was granted
editing rights?

*We must to maintain respect for each other as FC members, irrespective of
our other positions and experience within the NCSG or at constituency
level, we all have our own experiences relating to governance. leadership
and financial management which should make things easier. Every members
contribution should be valid and respected, so we need to promote and
uphold unity and collaboration within the FC and anything that seems to
compromise or undermine that need to be dealt with swiftly before it create
irreversible damage to our efforts.*

There is no need to challenge, retaliate or resist when decisions of the FC
if they do not favour an individual FC member, so cooperation is expected
from all members of the FC, because usually in committees the views of the
majority suffice in case of disagreements and furthermore we were appointed
to serve on this committee to fulfil the responsibilities of the FC as
mentioned in the Charter and not to maintain certain positions which are
not clear how they will help further the financial interests of NCSG FC or
NCSG financially.

*If there is anyone conflicted by being on the FC committee, let them speak
out so that we can work around this and if nobody thinks that they are
conflicted, then I do not see any reason why we should not work
harmoniously together. Some of these differences might need the FC to
discuss them face to face because online it might be difficult to establish
cooperation and common understanding or even break this differences.*

Please please, let's reason with each other and be more tolerative of
different views, I will always try my best to accommodate the views of FC
members and I do not necessarily disagree with a view point because of
personal reasons but only based on best practice and experience, instead
fairness needs to be guarded at all time to protect the reputation and
image of the FC within the wider NCSG community which was already
compromised before we started due to past experiences with the former FC
and it seems like there are members who are ready to discredit the FC if we
do not get our house in order.

Farzaneh, we do value your contributions as Chair of NCSG and as NCSG Chair
you will get another opportunity to express your dissatisfactions when the
document is sent to the EC after community input or comments. Furthermore,
refusing to participate in planned FC meeting indicates that you are not
willing to cooperate unless you are comfortable with decisions made, but on
the other side of the coin, the efforts of the FC are a collective not
individualistic and sometime we need to agree to our disagreements in a
sensible manner not by second guessing or challenging the majority views of
the committee.

I believe everyone has a right to express themselves and listened to
without fear, favour or compromise, but I also believe in democratic
processes. We cannot have a person dictating terms on what the FC can or
cannot do, if the majority of members think or see otherwise. The truth is
the decisions made by the majority will not always favour everyone and the
FC must acknowledges that its decisions are subject to community input and
EC approval, so we need to give all these processes their own time as they
will minimise the level of disagreements we have, I mean we started to work
in like 2 weeks ago and it is too early to start having so much differences
and issues. Our overarching goal should be to firmly establish the presence
of the FC and promote good governance within NCSG, if there is anything
else I am missing please share.

I hope this email finds you all in good health, thanks but I need to know
the following:
- Do we share the document as is or we postpone as Remmy proposed, if we
postpone, please indicate when it can be shared
- How long will the community be granted time to comment on the OP?

The views and comment of observers (Joan and Renata) will greatly be
appreciated in order to move forward with some of these issues as outlined
above, I will also share a proposed timeline of FC activities for your
input in a few hours, thanks once again and apologies for the lengthy
message.

Thato Mfikwe.
NCSG Finance Committee Chair.


On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Thato et al
> Thanks too for this mail. I sent us a separate mail. Not sure you got or
> saw it before this. However, my response will be in line of your mail.
>
> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
> we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>
> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
> comment):*
> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight
> as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation
> meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.
>
> Section 2: Opening an account
> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
> consensus, edits already made are ok
> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
> decision sir.
>
> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>
>
> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to
> monitor
> iii.
> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
> c & d. Removal
> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
> Rephrasing has already been done by me and pasted there but because I do
> not have editing powers, it was not adjusted and we need to look at it
> together.
>
> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
> the FC regarding this
> I think that the Operating Procedure will help us develop the disbursing
> formula, so that when we are sending or sharing this with our community, it
> will be a little comprehensive. Like i said earlier, we FC needs to meet to
> harmonise some of these thoughts before sharing, otherwise it will amount
> to sharing our dirty clothing in the public. And the haste to share this
> without resolving these thoughts connotes a different agenda that we must
> watch.
>
> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan
> their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
> fund constituencies, *please provide your comments*.
>
> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
> have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>
> Mr. Chairman, I am still in as the penholder, that is if Farzaneh has
> reinstated that, but then, this document will not be ready from my end by
> 17pm UTC tomorrow as proposed, because I already have a scheduled field
> visit on Friday and may not come back or even with steady access until
> Saturday morning. And I am not sure why the haste to share this without
> resolving the various thoughts already made by FC members.
>
> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
> editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
> an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
> If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
> other issues via email, thanks.
>
> This point, I raised it earlier and it should be Farzaneh that should
> provide an answer because she shared the link in the name of 'Hold us
> accountable" topic. Although I was expecting her to correct herself and
> follow the guideline you as chair earlier shared with us on how to move
> forward. I also think the sanctity of FC needed to be respected and we must
> see ourselves as one to make progress.
>
> For us to have a harmonised discuss, there should be a formal meeting
> beginning with a doodle to enable people adjust their time schedules since
> we are not all in the same time zone.
>
> I honestly do not know why you want us to hurriedly close the editing and
> continue discussion online. Once the draft is shared, its FC that shared it
> and is responsible for its content and I would not like us to start
> sounding like broken bottle at the community space, except if there are
> questions that needed clarifications, so as to avoid us dominating discuss
> on the community space.
>
> My two cents
> Good night.
> ____
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> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
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> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
>> we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
>> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
>> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>>
>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>> comment):*
>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>>
>> Section 2: Opening an account
>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>>
>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>>
>> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
>> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult
>> to monitor
>> iii.
>> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
>> c & d. Removal
>> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>>
>> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
>> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
>> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
>> the FC regarding this
>> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to
>> plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
>> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
>> fund constituencies, please provide your comments
>>
>> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
>> have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
>> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
>> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
>> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>>
>> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
>> editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
>> an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
>> If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
>> other issues via email, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
>>> Keep well
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to
>>>> NCSG FC operating procedures.
>>>>
>>>> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt
>>>> 1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 19:00:18 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:00:18 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
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Thato,

Did you get my response to Remmy? Because I have covered and responded to
most of these points you are making.

I reiterate below.


On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:28 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Remmy, Farzaneh and all,
>
> Thanks for all the hardwork and apologies for the late night sleep as a
> result :)
>
> Please let me know when you propose we share the document because the
> community was expecting to get it today and Farzaneh refuses to finalising
> the FC comments before the community input, which according to me does not
> make sense because we need to present a document that has been collectively
> developed by the FC, also noting minority views on certain clauses we do
> not agree on.
>

?How can we finalize now Thato. It is not about me, Remmy also doesn't
agree with some of the suggestions you and I agree with. we just need a
clean first draft that says not a consensus document and has our comments
on the points we disagree on.

@Remmy, based on the work you have already done, I would like to believe
> that now you were granted editing right.
>
> We can leave the disbursement formula for the community to comment on and
> make a decision from there because it seems like all our views are
> different on how this needs to be done, not sure what Farzaneh's intake or
> solution on 'the disbursement formula is. Lets try come up with
> alternatives where we do not agree to smooth things up.
>

I have given my input on the doc.
?NCSG EC should receive requests for funding from various constituencies.
The FC only does accounting. It sets the budget and does accounting. if EC
approves over 500 euro request

>
>
> We need to all agree on a date or period when we can have an online
> meeting to harmonise the OP and yes, Farzaneh, please explain why James was
> granted editing rights?
>

?I said it previously, will?
 explain again: this is an open archive mailing list. The link to doc is
shared on the fc mailing list. Anyone who checks the mailing list can
comment on the doc. No one gave James editing  rights. He checked the FC
open archive saw the shared link and started commenting.
?The Google doc setting is on "commenting mode for everyone who has the
link" it is the easiest option usually for  when we want to track changes
of various people. So no I did not give James editing rights! ?

>
> *We must to maintain respect for each other as FC members, irrespective of
> our other positions and experience within the NCSG or at constituency
> level, we all have our own experiences relating to governance. leadership
> and financial management which should make things easier. Every members
> contribution should be valid and respected, so we need to promote and
> uphold unity and collaboration within the FC and anything that seems to
> compromise or undermine that need to be dealt with swiftly before it create
> irreversible damage to our efforts.*
>
> There is no need to challenge, retaliate or resist when decisions of the
> FC if they do not favour an individual FC member, so cooperation is
> expected from all members of the FC, because usually in committees the
> views of the majority suffice in case of disagreements and furthermore we
> were appointed to serve on this committee to fulfil the responsibilities of
> the FC as mentioned in the Charter and not to maintain certain positions
> which are not clear how they will help further the financial interests of
> NCSG FC or NCSG financially.
>
> *If there is anyone conflicted by being on the FC committee, let them
> speak out so that we can work around this and if nobody thinks that they
> are conflicted, then I do not see any reason why we should not work
> harmoniously together. Some of these differences might need the FC to
> discuss them face to face because online it might be difficult to establish
> cooperation and common understanding or even break this differences.*
> ?
>
>

>
> Please please, let's reason with each other and be more tolerative of
> different views, I will always try my best to accommodate the views of FC
> members and I do not necessarily disagree with a view point because of
> personal reasons but only based on best practice and experience, instead
> fairness needs to be guarded at all time to protect the reputation and
> image of the FC within the wider NCSG community which was already
> compromised before we started due to past experiences with the former FC
> and it seems like there are members who are ready to discredit the FC if we
> do not get our house in order.
>
> Farzaneh, we do value your contributions as Chair of NCSG and as NCSG
> Chair you will get another opportunity to express your dissatisfactions
> when the document is sent to the EC after community input or comments.
> Furthermore, refusing to participate in planned FC meeting indicates that
> you are not willing to cooperate unless you are comfortable with decisions
> made, but on the other side of the coin, the efforts of the FC are a
> collective not individualistic and sometime we need to agree to our
> disagreements in a sensible manner not by second guessing or challenging
> the majority views of the committee.
>

?Thato did you read my response to Remmy? I am surprised you are saying I
refuse to attend meetings I said lets have a meeting at some point. But the
meeting by no means should be regarded as a meeting to reach consensus on
the operating procedure. it should be solely discuss some of the
differences we have.


>
> I believe everyone has a right to express themselves and listened to
> without fear, favour or compromise, but I also believe in democratic
> processes. We cannot have a person dictating terms on what the FC can or
> cannot do, if the majority of members think or see otherwise. The truth is
> the decisions made by the majority will not always favour everyone and the
> FC must acknowledges that its decisions are subject to community input and
> EC approval, so we need to give all these processes their own time as they
> will minimise the level of disagreements we have, I mean we started to work
> in like 2 weeks ago and it is too early to start having so much differences
> and issues. Our overarching goal should be to firmly establish the presence
> of the FC and promote good governance within NCSG, if there is anything
> else I am missing please share.
>
> I hope this email finds you all in good health, thanks but I need to know
> the following:
> - Do we share the document as is or we postpone as Remmy proposed, if we
> postpone, please indicate when it can be shared
> - How long will the community be granted time to comment on the OP?
>

?As I said in my previous email,
you can  share with the caveat that It's a draft and not a consensus
document. Also all of our unresolved objections to additions etc should be
visible to members.

4 weeks for public comment. It's summer and people are on holiday or not
around so should be given time.


> The views and comment of observers (Joan and Renata) will greatly be
> appreciated in order to move forward with some of these issues as outlined
> above, I will also share a proposed timeline of FC activities for your
> input in a few hours, thanks once again and apologies for the lengthy
> message.
>



> Thato Mfikwe.
> NCSG Finance Committee Chair.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thato et al
>> Thanks too for this mail. I sent us a separate mail. Not sure you got or
>> saw it before this. However, my response will be in line of your mail.
>>
>> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today
>> we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
>> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
>> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>>
>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>> comment):*
>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the
>> oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for
>> harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and
>> table.
>>
>> Section 2: Opening an account
>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
>> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
>> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
>> decision sir.
>>
>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
>> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
>> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
>> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
>> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
>> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>>
>>
>> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
>> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult
>> to monitor
>> iii.
>> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
>> c & d. Removal
>> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>> Rephrasing has already been done by me and pasted there but because I do
>> not have editing powers, it was not adjusted and we need to look at it
>> together.
>>
>> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
>> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
>> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
>> the FC regarding this
>> I think that the Operating Procedure will help us develop the disbursing
>> formula, so that when we are sending or sharing this with our community, it
>> will be a little comprehensive. Like i said earlier, we FC needs to meet to
>> harmonise some of these thoughts before sharing, otherwise it will amount
>> to sharing our dirty clothing in the public. And the haste to share this
>> without resolving these thoughts connotes a different agenda that we must
>> watch.
>>
>> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to
>> plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
>> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
>> fund constituencies, *please provide your comments*.
>>
>> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we
>> have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
>> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
>> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
>> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>>
>> Mr. Chairman, I am still in as the penholder, that is if Farzaneh has
>> reinstated that, but then, this document will not be ready from my end by
>> 17pm UTC tomorrow as proposed, because I already have a scheduled field
>> visit on Friday and may not come back or even with steady access until
>> Saturday morning. And I am not sure why the haste to share this without
>> resolving the various thoughts already made by FC members.
>>
>> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon
>> editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do
>> an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC.
>> If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss
>> other issues via email, thanks.
>>
>> This point, I raised it earlier and it should be Farzaneh that should
>> provide an answer because she shared the link in the name of 'Hold us
>> accountable" topic. Although I was expecting her to correct herself and
>> follow the guideline you as chair earlier shared with us on how to move
>> forward. I also think the sanctity of FC needed to be respected and we must
>> see ourselves as one to make progress.
>>
>> For us to have a harmonised discuss, there should be a formal meeting
>> beginning with a doodle to enable people adjust their time schedules since
>> we are not all in the same time zone.
>>
>> I honestly do not know why you want us to hurriedly close the editing and
>> continue discussion online. Once the draft is shared, its FC that shared it
>> and is responsible for its content and I would not like us to start
>> sounding like broken bottle at the community space, except if there are
>> questions that needed clarifications, so as to avoid us dominating discuss
>> on the community space.
>>
>> My two cents
>> Good night.
>> ____
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>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP.
>>> Today we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
>>> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
>>> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>>>
>>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>>> comment):*
>>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>>>
>>> Section 2: Opening an account
>>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>>>
>>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>>>
>>> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
>>> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult
>>> to monitor
>>> iii.
>>> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
>>> c & d. Removal
>>> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>>>
>>> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
>>> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
>>> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
>>> the FC regarding this
>>> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to
>>> plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
>>> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
>>> fund constituencies, please provide your comments
>>>
>>> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that
>>> we have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
>>> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
>>> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
>>> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>>>
>>> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James
>>> Gannon editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind
>>> to do an introduction because the document is still under development by
>>> the FC. If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and
>>> discuss other issues via email, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
>>>> Keep well
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to
>>>>> NCSG FC operating procedures.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
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>>>>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 21:29:52 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:29:52 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] My comments and edits on the FC operating Procedures
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Hi all
Like I noted earlier, my day is still on as I am on my way out for a
function.

However, I will briefly respond to some of the issues raised here.

Yes, I have gotten back the access to edit. Thanks Farzaneh

The meeting doodle the soonest will be fine to ensure we have it next week
and afterwards share to community.

I really do not see what is there for us to have 1 month for comments. Its
not ideal. two weeks will be fine, As I do not want anything to dampen the
moral of current FC in the name of non activity.

Do forget the OP will still be sent to be cleaned after the comments for EC
submission. Unnecessary delays will be dangerous to getting FC to work and
we must avoid such.

Best of the good evening to all.

Thank God its Friday

____
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:00 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thato,
>
> Did you get my response to Remmy? Because I have covered and responded to
> most of these points you are making.
>
> I reiterate below.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:28 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Remmy, Farzaneh and all,
>>
>> Thanks for all the hardwork and apologies for the late night sleep as a
>> result :)
>>
>> Please let me know when you propose we share the document because the
>> community was expecting to get it today and Farzaneh refuses to finalising
>> the FC comments before the community input, which according to me does not
>> make sense because we need to present a document that has been collectively
>> developed by the FC, also noting minority views on certain clauses we do
>> not agree on.
>>
>
> ?How can we finalize now Thato. It is not about me, Remmy also doesn't
> agree with some of the suggestions you and I agree with. we just need a
> clean first draft that says not a consensus document and has our comments
> on the points we disagree on.
>
> @Remmy, based on the work you have already done, I would like to believe
>> that now you were granted editing right.
>>
>> We can leave the disbursement formula for the community to comment on and
>> make a decision from there because it seems like all our views are
>> different on how this needs to be done, not sure what Farzaneh's intake or
>> solution on 'the disbursement formula is. Lets try come up with
>> alternatives where we do not agree to smooth things up.
>>
>
> I have given my input on the doc.
> ?NCSG EC should receive requests for funding from various constituencies.
> The FC only does accounting. It sets the budget and does accounting. if EC
> approves over 500 euro request
>
>>
>>
>> We need to all agree on a date or period when we can have an online
>> meeting to harmonise the OP and yes, Farzaneh, please explain why James was
>> granted editing rights?
>>
>
> ?I said it previously, will?
>  explain again: this is an open archive mailing list. The link to doc is
> shared on the fc mailing list. Anyone who checks the mailing list can
> comment on the doc. No one gave James editing  rights. He checked the FC
> open archive saw the shared link and started commenting.
> ?The Google doc setting is on "commenting mode for everyone who has the
> link" it is the easiest option usually for  when we want to track changes
> of various people. So no I did not give James editing rights! ?
>
>>
>> *We must to maintain respect for each other as FC members, irrespective
>> of our other positions and experience within the NCSG or at constituency
>> level, we all have our own experiences relating to governance. leadership
>> and financial management which should make things easier. Every members
>> contribution should be valid and respected, so we need to promote and
>> uphold unity and collaboration within the FC and anything that seems to
>> compromise or undermine that need to be dealt with swiftly before it create
>> irreversible damage to our efforts.*
>>
>> There is no need to challenge, retaliate or resist when decisions of the
>> FC if they do not favour an individual FC member, so cooperation is
>> expected from all members of the FC, because usually in committees the
>> views of the majority suffice in case of disagreements and furthermore we
>> were appointed to serve on this committee to fulfil the responsibilities of
>> the FC as mentioned in the Charter and not to maintain certain positions
>> which are not clear how they will help further the financial interests of
>> NCSG FC or NCSG financially.
>>
>> *If there is anyone conflicted by being on the FC committee, let them
>> speak out so that we can work around this and if nobody thinks that they
>> are conflicted, then I do not see any reason why we should not work
>> harmoniously together. Some of these differences might need the FC to
>> discuss them face to face because online it might be difficult to establish
>> cooperation and common understanding or even break this differences.*
>> ?
>>
>>
>
>>
>> Please please, let's reason with each other and be more tolerative of
>> different views, I will always try my best to accommodate the views of FC
>> members and I do not necessarily disagree with a view point because of
>> personal reasons but only based on best practice and experience, instead
>> fairness needs to be guarded at all time to protect the reputation and
>> image of the FC within the wider NCSG community which was already
>> compromised before we started due to past experiences with the former FC
>> and it seems like there are members who are ready to discredit the FC if we
>> do not get our house in order.
>>
>> Farzaneh, we do value your contributions as Chair of NCSG and as NCSG
>> Chair you will get another opportunity to express your dissatisfactions
>> when the document is sent to the EC after community input or comments.
>> Furthermore, refusing to participate in planned FC meeting indicates that
>> you are not willing to cooperate unless you are comfortable with decisions
>> made, but on the other side of the coin, the efforts of the FC are a
>> collective not individualistic and sometime we need to agree to our
>> disagreements in a sensible manner not by second guessing or challenging
>> the majority views of the committee.
>>
>
> ?Thato did you read my response to Remmy? I am surprised you are saying I
> refuse to attend meetings I said lets have a meeting at some point. But the
> meeting by no means should be regarded as a meeting to reach consensus on
> the operating procedure. it should be solely discuss some of the
> differences we have.
>
>
>>
>> I believe everyone has a right to express themselves and listened to
>> without fear, favour or compromise, but I also believe in democratic
>> processes. We cannot have a person dictating terms on what the FC can or
>> cannot do, if the majority of members think or see otherwise. The truth is
>> the decisions made by the majority will not always favour everyone and the
>> FC must acknowledges that its decisions are subject to community input and
>> EC approval, so we need to give all these processes their own time as they
>> will minimise the level of disagreements we have, I mean we started to work
>> in like 2 weeks ago and it is too early to start having so much differences
>> and issues. Our overarching goal should be to firmly establish the presence
>> of the FC and promote good governance within NCSG, if there is anything
>> else I am missing please share.
>>
>> I hope this email finds you all in good health, thanks but I need to know
>> the following:
>> - Do we share the document as is or we postpone as Remmy proposed, if we
>> postpone, please indicate when it can be shared
>> - How long will the community be granted time to comment on the OP?
>>
>
> ?As I said in my previous email,
> you can  share with the caveat that It's a draft and not a consensus
> document. Also all of our unresolved objections to additions etc should be
> visible to members.
>
> 4 weeks for public comment. It's summer and people are on holiday or not
> around so should be given time.
>
>
>> The views and comment of observers (Joan and Renata) will greatly be
>> appreciated in order to move forward with some of these issues as outlined
>> above, I will also share a proposed timeline of FC activities for your
>> input in a few hours, thanks once again and apologies for the lengthy
>> message.
>>
>
>
>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>> NCSG Finance Committee Chair.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Thato et al
>>> Thanks too for this mail. I sent us a separate mail. Not sure you got or
>>> saw it before this. However, my response will be in line of your mail.
>>>
>>> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP.
>>> Today we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
>>> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
>>> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>>>
>>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>>> comment):*
>>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>>> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the
>>> oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for
>>> harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and
>>> table.
>>>
>>> Section 2: Opening an account
>>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>>> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
>>> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
>>> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
>>> decision sir.
>>>
>>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>>> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
>>> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
>>> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
>>> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
>>> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
>>> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
>>> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult
>>> to monitor
>>> iii.
>>> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
>>> c & d. Removal
>>> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>>> Rephrasing has already been done by me and pasted there but because I do
>>> not have editing powers, it was not adjusted and we need to look at it
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
>>> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be
>>> developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on
>>> the FC regarding this
>>> I think that the Operating Procedure will help us develop the disbursing
>>> formula, so that when we are sending or sharing this with our community, it
>>> will be a little comprehensive. Like i said earlier, we FC needs to meet to
>>> harmonise some of these thoughts before sharing, otherwise it will amount
>>> to sharing our dirty clothing in the public. And the haste to share this
>>> without resolving these thoughts connotes a different agenda that we must
>>> watch.
>>>
>>> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to
>>> plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
>>> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
>>> fund constituencies, *please provide your comments*.
>>>
>>> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that
>>> we have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
>>> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
>>> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
>>> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>>>
>>> Mr. Chairman, I am still in as the penholder, that is if Farzaneh has
>>> reinstated that, but then, this document will not be ready from my end by
>>> 17pm UTC tomorrow as proposed, because I already have a scheduled field
>>> visit on Friday and may not come back or even with steady access until
>>> Saturday morning. And I am not sure why the haste to share this without
>>> resolving the various thoughts already made by FC members.
>>>
>>> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James
>>> Gannon editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind
>>> to do an introduction because the document is still under development by
>>> the FC. If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and
>>> discuss other issues via email, thanks.
>>>
>>> This point, I raised it earlier and it should be Farzaneh that should
>>> provide an answer because she shared the link in the name of 'Hold us
>>> accountable" topic. Although I was expecting her to correct herself and
>>> follow the guideline you as chair earlier shared with us on how to move
>>> forward. I also think the sanctity of FC needed to be respected and we must
>>> see ourselves as one to make progress.
>>>
>>> For us to have a harmonised discuss, there should be a formal meeting
>>> beginning with a doodle to enable people adjust their time schedules since
>>> we are not all in the same time zone.
>>>
>>> I honestly do not know why you want us to hurriedly close the editing
>>> and continue discussion online. Once the draft is shared, its FC that
>>> shared it and is responsible for its content and I would not like us to
>>> start sounding like broken bottle at the community space, except if there
>>> are questions that needed clarifications, so as to avoid us dominating
>>> discuss on the community space.
>>>
>>> My two cents
>>> Good night.
>>> ____
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>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
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>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP.
>>>> Today we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the
>>>> community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I
>>>> would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.
>>>>
>>>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>>>> comment):*
>>>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>>>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>>>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>>>>
>>>> Section 2: Opening an account
>>>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>>>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>>>>
>>>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>>>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>>>>
>>>> Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members
>>>> i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult
>>>> to monitor
>>>> iii.
>>>> a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments
>>>> c & d. Removal
>>>> e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted
>>>>
>>>> Section 5: Disbursement of funds
>>>> v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to
>>>> be developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus
>>>> on the FC regarding this
>>>> vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to
>>>> plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will
>>>> result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to
>>>> fund constituencies, please provide your comments
>>>>
>>>> 2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that
>>>> we have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder
>>>> that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority
>>>> views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was
>>>> the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?
>>>>
>>>> 3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James
>>>> Gannon editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind
>>>> to do an introduction because the document is still under development by
>>>> the FC. If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and
>>>> discuss other issues via email, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.
>>>>> Keep well
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to
>>>>>> NCSG FC operating procedures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will do some additional edits no later than Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 00:31:01 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:31:01 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Remmy

Thank you.
How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.

You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these
issues before we discuss with the members.

Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
about.

Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.

Best



Farzaneh


On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>
> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except
> if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 00:52:08 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:52:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Hi Farzaneh,

Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is
this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
elaborate? Thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Remmy
>
> Thank you.
> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>
> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these
> issues before we discuss with the members.
>
> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
> about.
>
> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>
>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except
>> if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw
>> 3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
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>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 01:42:26 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:42:26 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Sorry if you felt otherwise.
I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
understanding established.

I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.

I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
sense.

Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
charter.

Regards
RN

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is
> this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
> elaborate? Thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Remmy
>>
>> Thank you.
>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>
>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>
>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>> about.
>>
>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>
>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
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>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
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On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Farzaneh,

Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is
this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
elaborate? Thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Remmy
>
> Thank you.
> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>
> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these
> issues before we discuss with the members.
>
> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
> about.
>
> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>
>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except
>> if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 04:44:39 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 21:44:39 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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The issues that were raised in the past because of the different
interpretation of the charter and needs to be cleared are the obligation of
FC (section 3 of operating procedures) . Since in the other doc I can see
that Remmy relies on the NCSG charter to argue for providing oversight for
constituencies through NCSG FC, I think it is crucial to talk to  those who
were involved in drafting it to know what the charter means and can help us
with its correct interpretation.

I think we should get a reality check on why FC was suggested in the
charter, what was the rationale for it. Then we can get a clearer
interpretation.

So I believe a meeting with the drafters of the charter and the FC and
observers and whoever else we want is needed. I think it can help us.


Best





Farzaneh


On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
> understanding established.
>
> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
> the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
>
> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
> sense.
>
> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
> charter.
>
> Regards
> RN
>
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>
>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>
>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
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>>>
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>
> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is
> this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
> elaborate? Thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Remmy
>>
>> Thank you.
>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>
>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>
>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>> about.
>>
>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>
>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
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>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 04:54:02 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 21:54:02 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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So Here are some of the points Thato agree with me and you provided your
counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's reply and yours .
Thato's comment is in black yours is in red. :


*Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
comment):*
Section 1: Obligations of FC members
iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight
as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation
meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.

Section 2: Opening an account
ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
consensus, edits already made are ok
Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
decision sir.

Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
so as to accommodate any funder at all.







Farzaneh


On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
> understanding established.
>
> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
> the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
>
> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
> sense.
>
> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
> charter.
>
> Regards
> RN
>
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>
>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>
>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is
> this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
> elaborate? Thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Remmy
>>
>> Thank you.
>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>
>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>
>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>> about.
>>
>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>
>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 10:37:03 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:37:03 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Hi Farzaneh
The point is that no matter how often you engage the "drafters" so to say
the responsibility of its interpreted actions on the understanding of the
implementers (FC), so it could not add up.

Definitely we don't need that. Are you implying that FC is not capable of
understanding the charter despite differences in opinion?

Regards
Remmy

On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 2:45 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> The issues that were raised in the past because of the different
> interpretation of the charter and needs to be cleared are the obligation of
> FC (section 3 of operating procedures) . Since in the other doc I can see
> that Remmy relies on the NCSG charter to argue for providing oversight for
> constituencies through NCSG FC, I think it is crucial to talk to  those who
> were involved in drafting it to know what the charter means and can help us
> with its correct interpretation.
>
> I think we should get a reality check on why FC was suggested in the
> charter, what was the rationale for it. Then we can get a clearer
> interpretation.
>
> So I believe a meeting with the drafters of the charter and the FC and
> observers and whoever else we want is needed. I think it can help us.
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
>> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
>> understanding established.
>>
>> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
>> the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
>>
>> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
>> sense.
>>
>> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
>> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
>> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
>> charter.
>>
>> Regards
>> RN
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
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>>
>> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>
>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>
>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
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>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 10:43:33 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:43:33 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Sorry just a add on.

I think the FC takes on the jobs of both internal auditor/Committee,
Financial secretary and treasurer positions jointly in any set up in the
current definition.

May be we have that in mind, I am sure it will help.
Remmy

On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 2:45 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> The issues that were raised in the past because of the different
> interpretation of the charter and needs to be cleared are the obligation of
> FC (section 3 of operating procedures) . Since in the other doc I can see
> that Remmy relies on the NCSG charter to argue for providing oversight for
> constituencies through NCSG FC, I think it is crucial to talk to  those who
> were involved in drafting it to know what the charter means and can help us
> with its correct interpretation.
>
> I think we should get a reality check on why FC was suggested in the
> charter, what was the rationale for it. Then we can get a clearer
> interpretation.
>
> So I believe a meeting with the drafters of the charter and the FC and
> observers and whoever else we want is needed. I think it can help us.
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
>> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
>> understanding established.
>>
>> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
>> the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
>>
>> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
>> sense.
>>
>> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
>> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
>> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
>> charter.
>>
>> Regards
>> RN
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>
>> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>
>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>
>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 11:23:48 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 09:23:48 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Apologies people,

I hope we are not being misunderstood here.

Whereas I pointed out why we should NOT personalise our OP to a donor. I
remember informing such clauses are needed in MoU not OP. I also asked what
happens if the funders are sympathetic to NPOC against NCUC, none of you
provided an answer, hence I saw that as greatly unresolved.

There was also the question of
 What happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding? We
have to be neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.

We must be wary of introducing ambiguities, because we are likely to return
here OP for further guide/information when it's approved by EC.

I am glad to put it on record again that you DON'T personalise operating
procedures to a given funder, it's like a subtle notes of interpretation of
a charter for safe running of an organisation which in this case is
tripartite in nature and should not be because a party now have upper hand
or is favoured.

That is why I left it with hope that when we agree with our C's chairs and
equally observers here, then it could be resolved based on collective
bargaining and understanding.

I prefer to resolve issues very clear to me than resetting same as
unresolved bearing in mind that someone or something is accommodative can
be misleading depending who is interpreting it and may be with more
information better understanding can prevail.

And the way forward on this precise issues.

I hope this response helps
Regards
Remmy


On 14 Jul 2018 2:54 am, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

So Here are some of the points Thato agree with me and you provided your
counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's reply and yours .
Thato's comment is in black yours is in red. :


*Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
comment):*
Section 1: Obligations of FC members
iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight
as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation
meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.

Section 2: Opening an account
ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
consensus, edits already made are ok
Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
decision sir.

Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
so as to accommodate any funder at all.







Farzaneh


On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
> understanding established.
>
> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
> the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
>
> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
> sense.
>
> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
> charter.
>
> Regards
> RN
>
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>
>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>
>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
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>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
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>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
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>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
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> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is
> this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
> elaborate? Thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Remmy
>>
>> Thank you.
>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>
>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>
>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>> about.
>>
>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>
>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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I answered your question on the doc remmy. Multiple times.

I had a language there that said when someone else other than pir is the
donor thwy can choose the constituency they want to send the funds to.
There is a language in the document. We can make it generic and just say
the funder can choose where to send the money to.

I don't agree with having an MOU between constituency and treasurer. It's
too formal it's unenforceable it's ineffective.

some questions are being asked multiple times and I have been repeating my
answers and had to reiterate some points several times.

so you just don't agree with Thato and I on these issues. You can put my
language back and flag that you do not agree with it and suggest a
compromise.

The reason why we need to talk to those who wrote the charter is to
understand the rationale of having an FC in the first place. Perhaps you'll
be convinced that FCs obligations are really limited.


As you know NCSG EC has to approve the operating procedures. It is very
likely that in its current state it will be rejected.

I am trying to help but I am really running out of suggestions.



On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:24 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apologies people,
>
> I hope we are not being misunderstood here.
>
> Whereas I pointed out why we should NOT personalise our OP to a donor. I
> remember informing such clauses are needed in MoU not OP. I also asked what
> happens if the funders are sympathetic to NPOC against NCUC, none of you
> provided an answer, hence I saw that as greatly unresolved.
>
> There was also the question of
>  What happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding? We
> have to be neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>
> We must be wary of introducing ambiguities, because we are likely to
> return here OP for further guide/information when it's approved by EC.
>
> I am glad to put it on record again that you DON'T personalise operating
> procedures to a given funder, it's like a subtle notes of interpretation of
> a charter for safe running of an organisation which in this case is
> tripartite in nature and should not be because a party now have upper hand
> or is favoured.
>
> That is why I left it with hope that when we agree with our C's chairs and
> equally observers here, then it could be resolved based on collective
> bargaining and understanding.
>
> I prefer to resolve issues very clear to me than resetting same as
> unresolved bearing in mind that someone or something is accommodative can
> be misleading depending who is interpreting it and may be with more
> information better understanding can prevail.
>
> And the way forward on this precise issues.
>
> I hope this response helps
> Regards
> Remmy
>
>
> On 14 Jul 2018 2:54 am, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So Here are some of the points Thato agree with me and you provided your
> counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's reply and yours .
> Thato's comment is in black yours is in red. :
>
>
> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
> comment):*
> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight
> as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation
> meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.
>
> Section 2: Opening an account
> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
> consensus, edits already made are ok
> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
> decision sir.
>
> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
>> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
>> understanding established.
>>
>> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to
>> the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
>>
>> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
>> sense.
>>
>> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
>> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
>> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
>> charter.
>>
>> Regards
>> RN
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>
>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>
>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>> about.
>>>
>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
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>>>
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From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (thatomfikwe)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 13:36:20 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Hi all,
I will share the final draft tomorrow morning after Remmy has included views of the FC. I will be away from my laptop today but if needed will finalise the OP with Remmy for fast track this process.
Apologies for not being able to respond to your emails today, as mentioned, I have a family affairI need to address, thanks.
Have a great weekend.
Thato Mfikwe.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> Date: 14/07/2018  10:54  (GMT+02:00) To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is> Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy 
I answered your question on the doc remmy. Multiple times.?
I had a language there that said when someone else other than pir is the donor thwy can choose the constituency they want to send the funds to. There is a language in the document. We can make it generic and just say the funder can choose where to send the money to.
I don't agree with having an MOU between constituency and treasurer. It's too formal it's unenforceable it's ineffective.?
some questions are being asked multiple times and I have been repeating my answers and had to reiterate some points several times.?

so you just don't agree with Thato and I on these issues. You can put my language back and flag that you do not agree with it and suggest a compromise. ?
The reason why we need to talk to those who wrote the charter is to understand the rationale of having an FC in the first place. Perhaps you'll be convinced that FCs obligations are really limited.?

As you know NCSG EC has to approve the operating procedures. It is very likely that in its current state it will be rejected.?
I am trying to help but I am really running out of suggestions.?


On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:24 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Apologies people,
I hope we are not being misunderstood here.
Whereas I pointed out why we should NOT personalise our OP to a donor. I remember informing such clauses are needed in MoU not OP. I also asked what happens if the funders are sympathetic to NPOC against NCUC, none of you provided an answer, hence I saw that as greatly unresolved.?
There was also the question of??What happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding? We have to be neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.

We must be wary of introducing ambiguities, because we are likely to return here OP for further guide/information when it's approved by EC.
I am glad to put it on record again that you DON'T personalise operating procedures to a given funder, it's like a subtle notes of interpretation of a charter for safe running of an organisation which in this case is tripartite in nature and should not be because a party now have upper hand or is favoured.
That is why I left it with hope that when we agree with our C's chairs and equally observers here, then it could be resolved based on collective bargaining and understanding.
I prefer to resolve issues very clear to me than resetting same as unresolved bearing in mind that someone or something is accommodative can be misleading depending who is interpreting it and may be with more information better understanding can prevail.
And the way forward on this precise issues.
I hope this response helpsRegardsRemmy

On 14 Jul 2018 2:54 am, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
So Here are some of the points Thato?agree with me and you provided your counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's?reply and yours . Thato's?comment is in black yours is in red. :



Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your comment):
Section 1: Obligations of FC members
iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended itiv. The FC does not manage constituency fundsI really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.
Section 2: Opening an accountii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require consensus, edits already made are okMr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking decision sir.
Section 3: Use of constituency bank accountEdits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.








Farzaneh 

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry if you felt otherwise.I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an understanding established.
I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.
I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better sense.
Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in charter.
RegardsRN
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Farzaneh,
Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please elaborate? Thanks.
Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Remmy?
Thank you.How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.?
You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these issues before we discuss with the members.?
Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts about.?
Moreover,? we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.?
Best?


Farzaneh 

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Please see link for the first clean copy.
Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
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On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Farzaneh,
Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please elaborate? Thanks.
Thato Mfikwe.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Remmy?
Thank you.How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.?
You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these issues before we discuss with the members.?
Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts about.?
Moreover,? we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.?
Best?


Farzaneh 

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Please see link for the first clean copy.
Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
____REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,??Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,?
DigitalSENSE Africa Media?[Multiple-award winning medium]
(DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet)Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T:?@ITRealms
Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
South-South?Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable?(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS)
NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)_________________________________________________________________
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From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:23:38 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean
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Dear Farzaneh
I will try to take second look at your pointer as soon as possible.

It's unfortunate your last mail sounded a threat on that EC is determined
by an individual. Not too good madam chair.

Personally I do not have problems with such as long as I know I put in my
best and every individual honestly and it's on record.

There is no one who will follow things the way this FC including we all did
in the last few week's since Panama that will not feel your pains. So know
we are all in it together.

I will appeal for more understanding as I believe we are making progress
but gradually.

Do have an exciting weekend to all.

Regards
Remmy


On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 9:54 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I answered your question on the doc remmy. Multiple times.
>
> I had a language there that said when someone else other than pir is the
> donor thwy can choose the constituency they want to send the funds to.
> There is a language in the document. We can make it generic and just say
> the funder can choose where to send the money to.
>
> I don't agree with having an MOU between constituency and treasurer. It's
> too formal it's unenforceable it's ineffective.
>
> some questions are being asked multiple times and I have been repeating my
> answers and had to reiterate some points several times.
>
> so you just don't agree with Thato and I on these issues. You can put my
> language back and flag that you do not agree with it and suggest a
> compromise.
>
> The reason why we need to talk to those who wrote the charter is to
> understand the rationale of having an FC in the first place. Perhaps you'll
> be convinced that FCs obligations are really limited.
>
>
> As you know NCSG EC has to approve the operating procedures. It is very
> likely that in its current state it will be rejected.
>
> I am trying to help but I am really running out of suggestions.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:24 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apologies people,
>>
>> I hope we are not being misunderstood here.
>>
>> Whereas I pointed out why we should NOT personalise our OP to a donor. I
>> remember informing such clauses are needed in MoU not OP. I also asked what
>> happens if the funders are sympathetic to NPOC against NCUC, none of you
>> provided an answer, hence I saw that as greatly unresolved.
>>
>> There was also the question of
>>  What happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding? We
>> have to be neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>>
>> We must be wary of introducing ambiguities, because we are likely to
>> return here OP for further guide/information when it's approved by EC.
>>
>> I am glad to put it on record again that you DON'T personalise operating
>> procedures to a given funder, it's like a subtle notes of interpretation of
>> a charter for safe running of an organisation which in this case is
>> tripartite in nature and should not be because a party now have upper hand
>> or is favoured.
>>
>> That is why I left it with hope that when we agree with our C's chairs
>> and equally observers here, then it could be resolved based on collective
>> bargaining and understanding.
>>
>> I prefer to resolve issues very clear to me than resetting same as
>> unresolved bearing in mind that someone or something is accommodative can
>> be misleading depending who is interpreting it and may be with more
>> information better understanding can prevail.
>>
>> And the way forward on this precise issues.
>>
>> I hope this response helps
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>>
>> On 14 Jul 2018 2:54 am, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So Here are some of the points Thato agree with me and you provided your
>> counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's reply and yours .
>> Thato's comment is in black yours is in red. :
>>
>>
>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>> comment):*
>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the
>> oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for
>> harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and
>> table.
>>
>> Section 2: Opening an account
>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
>> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
>> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
>> decision sir.
>>
>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
>> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
>> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
>> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
>> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
>> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
>>> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
>>> understanding established.
>>>
>>> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer
>>> to the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as
>>> resolve.
>>>
>>> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
>>> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
>>> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
>>> charter.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> RN
>>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we
>>>>> flagged unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which
>>>>> Thato agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the
>>>>> FC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
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>>> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> --
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 04:36:24 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:36:24 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
 up1B.docx
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__ore3ycevqNi=z2Xg+E14tUucW7HVgh4XYdP9FPbSydN1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc__ore3ycevqNi=z2Xg+E14tUucW7HVgh4XYdP9FPbSydN1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__oq=VoW11v_8-NdDe-rDXMaBVfPSpA9h0jzOMasw884fcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all
Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.

Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H__jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing

@farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
except if we agree on a different direction.

Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which are
unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
shared with our NCSG community. IMO.

Let me know if you have questions,

Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the world
2:32am precisely.

Regards
____
REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
(DigitalSENSE Business News
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
<http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
<http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
<https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>

*South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
<http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!

*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
<http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)

*NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
_________________________________________________________________
*Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments
are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
any copies. Violators may face court persecution.



On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>
> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except
> if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>
> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>
> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments
> are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 14:08:29 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:08:29 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
 up1B.docx
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__oq=VoW11v_8-NdDe-rDXMaBVfPSpA9h0jzOMasw884fcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc__ore3ycevqNi=z2Xg+E14tUucW7HVgh4XYdP9FPbSydN1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__oq=VoW11v_8-NdDe-rDXMaBVfPSpA9h0jzOMasw884fcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Num8i3Voj-PYF0EGJnjmdC+-rOLMsPth7e1JkY_RXWfRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Remmy,

This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
- We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the FC
can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.

@Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can you
share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know about
the next NPOC meeting

Any thoughts?

Thato Mfikwe.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>
> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H
> __jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>
> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
> except if we agree on a different direction.
>
> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which are
> unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>
> Let me know if you have questions,
>
> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the world
> 2:32am precisely.
>
> Regards
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>
> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>
> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments
> are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>
>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except
>> if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw
>> 3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 15:00:58 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:00:58 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
 up1B.docx
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Num8i3Voj-PYF0EGJnjmdC+-rOLMsPth7e1JkY_RXWfRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc__ore3ycevqNi=z2Xg+E14tUucW7HVgh4XYdP9FPbSydN1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__oq=VoW11v_8-NdDe-rDXMaBVfPSpA9h0jzOMasw884fcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Num8i3Voj-PYF0EGJnjmdC+-rOLMsPth7e1JkY_RXWfRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__orhEdMOMrNVSssYetM_djJ0QOXFC=8TBso1zA5iqF0PjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mr Chairman
Comments appreciated.

I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok by me
if no other observations.

As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org. and
follow the membership.

Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
Regards
Remmy

On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Remmy,
>
> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
> today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
> after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
> during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the FC
> can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>
> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can you
> share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know about
> the next NPOC meeting
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>
>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
>> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H__jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>
>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which are
>> unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>
>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>
>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>
>> Regards
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>
>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>
>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>
>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>
>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 15:10:14 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:10:14 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
 up1B.docx
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__orhEdMOMrNVSssYetM_djJ0QOXFC=8TBso1zA5iqF0PjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc__ore3ycevqNi=z2Xg+E14tUucW7HVgh4XYdP9FPbSydN1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__oq=VoW11v_8-NdDe-rDXMaBVfPSpA9h0jzOMasw884fcQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Num8i3Voj-PYF0EGJnjmdC+-rOLMsPth7e1JkY_RXWfRQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc__orhEdMOMrNVSssYetM_djJ0QOXFC=8TBso1zA5iqF0PjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nv_um1PDjzmRSEF6hSvPUAWQTnNhdtc301HJ3JzTZTmEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Remmy,

Maybe I was not specific enough, I meant as the NCSG treasurer, attending
NPOC EC meetings to give feedback and report, to gain support and obtain
advice from constituency ECs.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mr Chairman
> Comments appreciated.
>
> I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok by
> me if no other observations.
>
> As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org. and
> follow the membership.
>
> Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
> Regards
> Remmy
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Remmy,
>>
>> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
>> today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
>> after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
>> during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
>> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the FC
>> can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>>
>> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can you
>> share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know about
>> the next NPOC meeting
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>>
>>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
>>> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H
>>> __jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>>
>>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which
>>> are unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw
>>>> 3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 15:31:54 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:31:54 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
 up1B.docx
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I don't know what that means.

I am aware NPOC has a representative in NCSG-FC that should handle report
back to the NPOC EXCO, not NCSG Treasurer except on invitation for some
specifics when necessary.
Regards
Remmy Nwrje

On 15 Jul 2018 1:10 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Remmy,

Maybe I was not specific enough, I meant as the NCSG treasurer, attending
NPOC EC meetings to give feedback and report, to gain support and obtain
advice from constituency ECs.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mr Chairman
> Comments appreciated.
>
> I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok by
> me if no other observations.
>
> As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org. and
> follow the membership.
>
> Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
> Regards
> Remmy
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Remmy,
>>
>> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
>> today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
>> after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
>> during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
>> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the FC
>> can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>>
>> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can you
>> share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know about
>> the next NPOC meeting
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>>
>>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
>>> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H__jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>>
>>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which
>>> are unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 22:36:34 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 21:36:34 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC mailing list archives for 2018 & 2018
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nv8jxCd6TVQK2VvbX5HBniE4oe2AeOkSxLFt9gsKfCRzg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just wanted to share a link on FC mailing list archives. Going through
historical data and communication of the FC will help in identifying issues
that need to be addressed amongst other things and how much progress has
been done.

https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/

You will also note that the issue of the NCSG bank account, attendance of
ICANN meetings and insight into constituency spending have been on the FC
agenda before, so it should not be a surprise when we bring this up.

I also submit to you to consider if the FC can plan a session for ICANN 63
as a call for session has been sent to the NCSG-DISCUSS mailing list
already. Obviously we need to build an agenda and submit to the EC, any
ideas on how we can start working on this?

Thato Mfikwe.
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Tue Jul 17 11:28:07 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:28:07 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
Message-ID: <33CDB08D-8FFB-4F2D-AAC5-F589419C45C3@icann.org>


Dear Thato, all,

Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.

?
Many thanks,


Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: ?+44 7846 471777?
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 22:29:25 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 15:29:25 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Renata is right. we need to discuss things on FC mailing list. I didn't
notice it was not cc'd. I will cc.
Farzaneh


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:04 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> [observer]
>
> Hi Thato
>
> I will be in ICANN63 and I think it would be good to pencil in an FC
> meeeting with all NCSG members, but that is up to NCSG Chair.
> I think FC who aren't in ICANN63 could attend remotely.
> NCSG, though, I know has a full schedule meeting with other SO/ACs so
> it might be hard to find time for a meeting.
>
> I realize you sent this message in private to try and get the whole FC in
> sync.
> But because all the Constituencies have a commitment to openness and
> transparency, it would be best to have all discussions on list only,
> even if they raise criticisms.
>
> I don't agree with a lot of what has been done as well but I have
> discovered the hard way that it better to document publicly step by
> step of any conversation.
>
> As an observer of the FC, I'll chime in the document and I agree the
> FC should have participation and support.
>
> Every travel support decision, though, is collectively made and
> involvement in policy (such as public comments writing) are taken into
> account.
>
> So as I`ve said before, I wish the FC thrives both in policy and
> governance. It is a new committee, without even agreed procedures. If
> we all manage to agree on those, it will be already a big step.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice for
> > ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
> >
> > - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the role
> of
> > FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of the
> current
> > and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits on a panel
> of
> > a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and creating
> awareness)
> >
> > - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and its
> > synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
> with
> > the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
> > understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
> > look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
> effective
> > operation of the FC when 2019 commences. This was recorded in minutes of
> our
> > last meeting.
> >
> > - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the FC
> > keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
> funds
> > kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance and
> > other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
> C's
> > and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
> >
> > Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request on our
> > behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG EC
> > approval.
> >
> > It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
> list
> > although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
> opposing
> > each other because we all have different views and as leaders we need to
> > avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination because it will always
> pose
> > problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this also
> needs
> > to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in competition with itself.
> >
> > The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
> > members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
> > because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony,
> but
> > if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
> > guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
> > individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
> > activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
> > collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do
> not
> > take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC
> irrespective
> > of who proposes an idea.
> >
> > Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
> document
> > the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or discuss
> the
> > release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we need to
> work
> > together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as opposed to
> > preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair opportunity to
> > participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
> >
> > Thato Mfikwe.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thato
> >>
> >> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no reason
> to
> >> have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Maryam,
> >>>
> >>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what is the
> >>> timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind but
> let
> >>> me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi
> >>> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Thato, all,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you confirm
> >>>> that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in the
> ICANN63
> >>>> Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting for, so
> I can
> >>>> plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >>>>
> >>>> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >>>>
> >>>> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Farzaneh
> >
> >
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 01:17:35 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:17:35 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Hi Farzaneh
Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
Thanks

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)? Because I
> cannot.
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to deal
>> with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>> understanding of FC going forward.
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice for
>>> ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>
>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the role
>>> of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of the
>>> current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits on a
>>> panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and creating
>>> awareness)
>>>
>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and its
>>> synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was recorded
>>> in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>
>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the FC
>>> keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>
>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request on
>>> our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG EC
>>> approval. *
>>>
>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>> competition with itself.
>>>
>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
>>> members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>
>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thato
>>>>
>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no reason
>>>> to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what is the
>>>>> timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind but let
>>>>> me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 03:46:50 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 20:46:50 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.

I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your thoughts,
Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam is asking whether
you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If so, what
is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for approval? Does
the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?


As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting or is
this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really needs the
agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to book it,
90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you gonna
invite, etc

As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach meetings?
NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what the FC
does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance Committee is
in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able to get
money from them.

If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will happen
in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open meeting
for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to meet
f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
FC activities ever.)


I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:

'- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the FC
> keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."


If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
it can check their annual budget and other documents.


Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't be
possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.

Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan. It is
one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.


As to the below:

It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing list
> although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it will
> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems like
> this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in competition
> with itself.
>

Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion. But I
don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.

I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree with
some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?

So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned: 1. The
second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had been
agreed on.

I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members from
the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many members.
We need others points of views and knowledge.

Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If you
did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I should
not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work with
consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I cannot
find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly. Especially with
a 3 people committee. You can do the same.


Thato said


> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
> members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
> of who proposes an idea.
> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the document
> the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or discuss the
> release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we need to work
> together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as opposed to
> preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair opportunity to
> participate in NCSG activities , thanks.



I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that are
wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one single
committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that are in
draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision on not
sharing documents and not being open.

We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents, this
FC does not really follow the usual practice.

1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets
the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to
the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been objected to
without any remarks.
4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing list any
time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for justified reasons
and the document should be shared with them from the beginning.
5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment on
the operating procedures












Farzaneh


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh
> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>> Because I  cannot.
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to deal
>>> with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>> Regards
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice for
>>>> ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>
>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the
>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of
>>>> the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits
>>>> on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>
>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and its
>>>> synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was recorded
>>>> in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>
>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>
>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request on
>>>> our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG EC
>>>> approval. *
>>>>
>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>
>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
>>>> members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thato
>>>>>
>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no reason
>>>>> to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what is
>>>>>> the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind but
>>>>>> let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 09:22:19 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:22:19 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Hi all,

Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing list,
but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:

- FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online, whichever
will be possible, we will work through that

- If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval of
the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further

- I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
meeting that is why I needed input from FC members

- Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness and
explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss issues
but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to be
visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or maybe
I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?

- Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned that the
FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies kept by
ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new gtld on
Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG

- Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful and
ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
ICANN staff is paramount

- Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a task,
they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
collectively make a final decision

- If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to make
decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in the
Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to go
public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership "That
the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the FC?

- I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand what
you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision to
share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.

We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will be
supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?

My proposal:
Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
public comments before our submission to the EC?

Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome because
working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this draft was
supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for comment after
Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also supported.
According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will make the
comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will attempt to
resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before submission to
the EC for approval, thanks.





On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>
> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your thoughts,
> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam is asking
> whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
> so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for
> approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
>
>
> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting or
> is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really needs
> the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to book
> it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you gonna
> invite, etc
>
> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach meetings?
> NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
> policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what the FC
> does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance Committee is
> in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able to get
> money from them.
>
> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will happen
> in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open meeting
> for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to meet
> f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
> FC activities ever.)
>
>
> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>
> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the FC
>> keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>
>
> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
> it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>
>
> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't be
> possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>
> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan. It is
> one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>
>
> As to the below:
>
> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>> competition with itself.
>>
>
> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion. But
> I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
> the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
> not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
> parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
> parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
> reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
> people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
> and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>
> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree with
> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>
> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned: 1.
> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
> been agreed on.
>
> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members
> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many
> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>
> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If you
> did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I should
> not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work with
> consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I cannot
> find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly. Especially with
> a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>
>
> Thato said
>
>
>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
>> members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>> of who proposes an idea.
>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>
>
>
> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that are
> wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one single
> committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that are in
> draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision on not
> sharing documents and not being open.
>
> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents, this
> FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>
> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets
> the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to
> the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been objected to
> without any remarks.
> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing list
> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for justified
> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the beginning.
> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment on
> the operating procedures
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh
>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to
>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice
>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the
>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of
>>>>> the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits
>>>>> on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and its
>>>>> synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was recorded
>>>>> in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>
>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request on
>>>>> our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG EC
>>>>> approval. *
>>>>>
>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what is
>>>>>>> the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind but
>>>>>>> let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762, 08172004283
>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>
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From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:51:26 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
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Hi Farzaneh,

Please see the messages above about release of the Draft OP for public
comment after Remmy's amendments, we did not receive your comment, were we
now supposed to further delay this? process?

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mr Chairman
> Comments appreciated.
>
> I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok by
> me if no other observations.
>
> As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org. and
> follow the membership.
>
> Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
> Regards
> Remmy
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Remmy,
>>
>> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
>> today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
>> after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
>> during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
>> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the FC
>> can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>>
>> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can you
>> share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know about
>> the next NPOC meeting
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>>
>>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
>>> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H
>>> __jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>>
>>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which
>>> are unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> ____
>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>
>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>
>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
>>> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>
>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>
>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw
>>>> 3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 10:24:04 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:24:04 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
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Yes. As I said we are not in an emergency situation nothing really is
falling apart and you could have waited.

also, I am getting super confused now. The link Remmy has shared at the
beginning of this thread is the link that contains our comments and his
corrections, it's a better version of the clean draft he had shared
previously and I had raised concerns about (check the thread [NCSG-FC]
[DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy ) . While the
link you shared with the members is not the document on this thread but the
document that was Remmy's first attempt on clean up under Procedures v2
first clean copy.

This could just be a mistake and I apologize from Remmy for having thought
he did not make the changes I raised on the other thread after I had asked
him to do so. This document on this thread still needs some work, but it is
far better than the previous one that was shared with the members ... . But
now we are going to confuse everyone if we share another doc ... So I don't
know how to resolve this now but tomorrow is another day!


Farzaneh


On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:51 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Please see the messages above about release of the Draft OP for public
> comment after Remmy's amendments, we did not receive your comment, were we
> now supposed to further delay this? process?
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mr Chairman
>> Comments appreciated.
>>
>> I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok by
>> me if no other observations.
>>
>> As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org. and
>> follow the membership.
>>
>> Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Remmy,
>>>
>>> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
>>> today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
>>> after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
>>> during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
>>> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the FC
>>> can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>>>
>>> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can you
>>> share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know about
>>> the next NPOC meeting
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>>>
>>>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
>>>> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H__jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>>>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>>>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>>>
>>>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which
>>>> are unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>>>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>>>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>>>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>
>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>
>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>
>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 11:37:16 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:37:16 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
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Hi,

This is the document link (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?ts=5b4d8234#heading=h.gjdgxs)
everyone is commenting on, it was shared publicly on Sunday after Remmy
made edits. I hope this levels any misunderstanding or confusion, thanks.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes. As I said we are not in an emergency situation nothing really is
> falling apart and you could have waited.
>
> also, I am getting super confused now. The link Remmy has shared at the
> beginning of this thread is the link that contains our comments and his
> corrections, it's a better version of the clean draft he had shared
> previously and I had raised concerns about (check the thread [NCSG-FC]
> [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy ) . While the
> link you shared with the members is not the document on this thread but the
> document that was Remmy's first attempt on clean up under Procedures v2
> first clean copy.
>
> This could just be a mistake and I apologize from Remmy for having thought
> he did not make the changes I raised on the other thread after I had asked
> him to do so. This document on this thread still needs some work, but it is
> far better than the previous one that was shared with the members ... . But
> now we are going to confuse everyone if we share another doc ... So I don't
> know how to resolve this now but tomorrow is another day!
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:51 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Please see the messages above about release of the Draft OP for public
>> comment after Remmy's amendments, we did not receive your comment, were we
>> now supposed to further delay this? process?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mr Chairman
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>
>>> I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok by
>>> me if no other observations.
>>>
>>> As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org.
>>> and follow the membership.
>>>
>>> Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
>>> Regards
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Remmy,
>>>>
>>>> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this version
>>>> today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the document
>>>> after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable discussion
>>>> during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this week.
>>>> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the
>>>> FC can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>>>>
>>>> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can
>>>> you share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know
>>>> about the next NPOC meeting
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to the
>>>>> earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H
>>>>> __jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>>>>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>>>>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which
>>>>> are unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>>>>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>>>>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>>>>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>
>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw
>>>>>> 3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>
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>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 13:06:38 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:06:38 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-v1B] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v1 clean
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Good morning from city  of Ibadan in South west Nigeria, where I am
attending the Nigeria Computer Society annual conference.

Apologies for seeing this a little late as I just finished responding to
mail on the mailing list via Bruna. I hope Farzaneh corrects that
impression too.

Now that I have seen the confusion is resolved. Can we make progress.

No objection if Farzaneh helps out with the pen holding assignment.

Thanks
Remmy





On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:37 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is the document link (
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?ts=5b4d8234#heading=h.gjdgxs)
> everyone is commenting on, it was shared publicly on Sunday after Remmy
> made edits. I hope this levels any misunderstanding or confusion, thanks.
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. As I said we are not in an emergency situation nothing really is
>> falling apart and you could have waited.
>>
>> also, I am getting super confused now. The link Remmy has shared at the
>> beginning of this thread is the link that contains our comments and his
>> corrections, it's a better version of the clean draft he had shared
>> previously and I had raised concerns about (check the thread [NCSG-FC]
>> [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy ) . While the
>> link you shared with the members is not the document on this thread but the
>> document that was Remmy's first attempt on clean up under Procedures v2
>> first clean copy.
>>
>> This could just be a mistake and I apologize from Remmy for having
>> thought he did not make the changes I raised on the other thread after I
>> had asked him to do so. This document on this thread still needs some work,
>> but it is far better than the previous one that was shared with the members
>> ... . But now we are going to confuse everyone if we share another doc ...
>> So I don't know how to resolve this now but tomorrow is another day!
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:51 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Please see the messages above about release of the Draft OP for public
>>> comment after Remmy's amendments, we did not receive your comment, were we
>>> now supposed to further delay this? process?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman
>>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking the three weeks should have been 2 weeks, buts it's ok
>>>> by me if no other observations.
>>>>
>>>> As for NPOC you may have to register via NPOC website. www.npoc.org.
>>>> and follow the membership.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Sunday and exciing new week to all.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:08 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Remmy,
>>>>>
>>>>> This version looks better, I now propose that we circulate this
>>>>> version today and as the FC we can still discuss other elements of the
>>>>> document after the community comments. Sending the OP today will enable
>>>>> discussion during the upcoming NCUC and NCSG online meetings, planned this
>>>>> week.
>>>>> - We will give the community 3 weeks to comment on the OP so that the
>>>>> FC can review it in week 4 & 5 before forwarding to the NCSG EC in week 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Remmy, I also need to start attending the NPOC online meetings, can
>>>>> you share information when it becomes available or Joan can let me know
>>>>> about the next NPOC meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>> Kindly find the clean up version 1B for your attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do use the below link for additional comments rather than going to
>>>>>> the earlier version, so that no comment will be left unresolved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2PxVJiIPEcQgl1k8kDJTEg67mE4H__jFWnhvmn6N8Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>>> I have as much tried to understand and accommodate your earlier
>>>>>> observations. Any comment left on resolved may have to be discussed by FC,
>>>>>> except if we agree on a different direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noteworthy is that considering that there are relatively issues which
>>>>>> are unresolved, I think that our having meeting session (1h-2hr) by next
>>>>>> weekend, will help in resolving same as soon as possible before it could be
>>>>>> shared with our NCSG community. IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you have questions,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your understanding and good morning from this part of the
>>>>>> world 2:32am precisely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> ____
>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:12 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> ____
>>>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
>>>>>>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction,
>>>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
>>>>>>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
>>>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6
>>>>>>> Roundtable <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
>>>>>>> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and
>>>>>>> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is
>>>>>>> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not
>>>>>>> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not
>>>>>>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
>>>>>>> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other
>>>>>>> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>
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>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction,
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 23:19:37 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:19:37 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Hi all,

As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating sessions
during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be not
available, then this will be done online with members who will be attending
onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you experience
will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and comprehensive meeting
request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses above, it seems like
the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with this submission, if
anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:

*MEETING 1*
NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)

*Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
to find synergy between the two documents.
*People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
NCSG EC and members

*Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)

*Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
3. Q and A - 5 min
4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15 min

*Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
(ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
10. Q and A - 5 min
11. Closing remarks - 5 min

*MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
sit on a panel or present online)

*Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)

*People needed:* New comers and NCSG members

*Presentation areas*
1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
3. Q and A - 5 min

*Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):*
- Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating to
ICANN funds and budgets
- Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
staff

Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also provide
your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing list,
> but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>
> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online, whichever
> will be possible, we will work through that
>
> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval of
> the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>
> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>
> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness and
> explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss issues
> but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to be
> visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or maybe
> I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>
> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned that
> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies kept
> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new gtld on
> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
>
> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful and
> ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
> ICANN staff is paramount
>
> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a task,
> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
> collectively make a final decision
>
> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to make
> decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in the
> Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to go
> public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership "That
> the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the FC?
>
> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand what
> you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision to
> share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
> follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>
> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will be
> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>
> My proposal:
> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
> public comments before our submission to the EC?
>
> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome because
> working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this draft was
> supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for comment after
> Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also supported.
> According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will make the
> comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will attempt to
> resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before submission to
> the EC for approval, thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>
>> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your thoughts,
>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam is asking
>> whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
>> so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for
>> approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
>>
>>
>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting or
>> is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really needs
>> the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to book
>> it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you gonna
>> invite, etc
>>
>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach meetings?
>> NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
>> policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what the FC
>> does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance Committee is
>> in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able to get
>> money from them.
>>
>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
>> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
>> FC activities ever.)
>>
>>
>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>
>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the FC
>>> keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>
>>
>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
>> it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>
>>
>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't be
>> possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>
>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan. It
>> is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>
>>
>> As to the below:
>>
>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>> competition with itself.
>>>
>>
>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion. But
>> I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
>> the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
>> not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
>> parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
>> parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
>> reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
>> people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
>> and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>
>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree with
>> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
>> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
>> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>
>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned: 1.
>> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>> been agreed on.
>>
>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members
>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many
>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>
>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If you
>> did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I should
>> not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work with
>> consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I cannot
>> find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly. Especially with
>> a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>
>>
>> Thato said
>>
>>
>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
>>> members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that are
>> wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one single
>> committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that are in
>> draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision on not
>> sharing documents and not being open.
>>
>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents, this
>> FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>
>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets
>> the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to
>> the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been objected
>> to without any remarks.
>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing list
>> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for justified
>> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the beginning.
>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment on
>> the operating procedures
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to
>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice
>>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the
>>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of
>>>>>> the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits
>>>>>> on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and
>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>>>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was
>>>>>> recorded in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request
>>>>>> on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG
>>>>>> EC approval. *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination*
>>>>>> because it will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC,
>>>>>> it seems like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what is
>>>>>>>> the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind but
>>>>>>>> let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:14:59 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Thanks Thato for coming up with this.

On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and NCUC)

On agenda Part 1:
No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.

3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins

4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the Charter
and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be have been
highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly seek
volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
interactions.

on Part 2:
Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By Staff
- 7 minutes

and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes

10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.

*NB:* Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in the
ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business of
AGM including presentation of an annual report containing information for
stakeholders about the organisation's performance and strategy, so as to
afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the process and strategically
plug-in. FC members will equally participate in the ExCom of their
respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.

This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be
> not available, then this will be done online with members who will be
> attending onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
> experience will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and
> comprehensive meeting request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses
> above, it seems like the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with
> this submission, if anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
>
> *MEETING 1*
> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>
> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
> to find synergy between the two documents.
> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG EC and members
>
> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>
> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15 min
>
> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
> 10. Q and A - 5 min
> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
>
> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
> sit on a panel or present online)
>
> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>
> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>
> *Presentation areas*
> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>
> *Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):*
> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> to ICANN funds and budgets
> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
> staff
>
> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also provide
> your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing list,
>> but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>>
>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online, whichever
>> will be possible, we will work through that
>>
>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval of
>> the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>>
>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>>
>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness and
>> explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss issues
>> but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to be
>> visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or maybe
>> I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>>
>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned that
>> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies kept
>> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new gtld on
>> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
>>
>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful and
>> ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
>> ICANN staff is paramount
>>
>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a task,
>> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
>> collectively make a final decision
>>
>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to make
>> decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in the
>> Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to go
>> public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership "That
>> the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the FC?
>>
>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand what
>> you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision to
>> share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
>> follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>>
>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will be
>> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>>
>> My proposal:
>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
>>
>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this
>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will
>> make the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
>> attempt to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
>> submission to the EC for approval, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>>
>>> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your thoughts,
>>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
>>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam is asking
>>> whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
>>> so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for
>>> approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
>>>
>>>
>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting or
>>> is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really needs
>>> the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to book
>>> it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you gonna
>>> invite, etc
>>>
>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach meetings?
>>> NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
>>> policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what the FC
>>> does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance Committee is
>>> in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able to get
>>> money from them.
>>>
>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
>>> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
>>> FC activities ever.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>>
>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
>>> it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>>
>>>
>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't
>>> be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>>
>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan. It
>>> is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>>
>>>
>>> As to the below:
>>>
>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
>>> the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
>>> not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
>>> parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
>>> parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
>>> reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
>>> people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
>>> and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>>
>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree with
>>> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
>>> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
>>> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>>
>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned: 1.
>>> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>>> been agreed on.
>>>
>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members
>>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many
>>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>>
>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If you
>>> did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I should
>>> not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work with
>>> consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I cannot
>>> find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly. Especially with
>>> a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato said
>>>
>>>
>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC if
>>>> members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one
>>> single committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
>>> are in draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
>>> on not sharing documents and not being open.
>>>
>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>>
>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
>>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets
>>> the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to
>>> the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been objected
>>> to without any remarks.
>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing list
>>> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for justified
>>> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the beginning.
>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment
>>> on the operating procedures
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to
>>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice
>>>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the
>>>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of
>>>>>>> the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits
>>>>>>> on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and
>>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>>>>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was
>>>>>>> recorded in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request
>>>>>>> on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG
>>>>>>> EC approval. *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination*
>>>>>>> because it will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC,
>>>>>>> it seems like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what is
>>>>>>>>> the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind but
>>>>>>>>> let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 19:37:07 +0200
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Hi all,

Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert
back. I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see
how to integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing
the NCSG FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.

Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be
submitted tomorrow???

Thato Mfikwe.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
>
> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and NCUC)
>
> On agenda Part 1:
> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
>
> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
>
> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be have
> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly
> seek volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
> interactions.
>
> on Part 2:
> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
> Staff - 7 minutes
>
> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
>
> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
>
> *NB:* Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in the
> ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business of
> AGM including presentation of an annual report containing information for
> stakeholders about the organisation's performance and strategy, so as to
> afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the process and strategically
> plug-in. FC members will equally participate in the ExCom of their
> respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
>
> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
>
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>
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> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be
>> not available, then this will be done online with members who will be
>> attending onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
>> experience will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and
>> comprehensive meeting request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses
>> above, it seems like the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with
>> this submission, if anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
>>
>> *MEETING 1*
>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>
>> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
>> to find synergy between the two documents.
>> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>> NCSG EC and members
>>
>> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>
>> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15 min
>>
>> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
>>
>> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
>> sit on a panel or present online)
>>
>> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>
>> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>>
>> *Presentation areas*
>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>
>> *Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):*
>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
>> to ICANN funds and budgets
>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>> ICANN staff
>>
>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also provide
>> your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>>>
>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online, whichever
>>> will be possible, we will work through that
>>>
>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval of
>>> the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>>>
>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>>>
>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to
>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or
>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>>>
>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned that
>>> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies kept
>>> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new gtld on
>>> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
>>>
>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful and
>>> ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
>>> ICANN staff is paramount
>>>
>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a task,
>>> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
>>> collectively make a final decision
>>>
>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in
>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to
>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership
>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the
>>> FC?
>>>
>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand what
>>> you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision to
>>> share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
>>> follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>>>
>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will be
>>> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>>>
>>> My proposal:
>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
>>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
>>>
>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this
>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will
>>> make the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
>>> attempt to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
>>> submission to the EC for approval, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your thoughts,
>>>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
>>>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam is asking
>>>> whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
>>>> so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for
>>>> approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting
>>>> or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really
>>>> needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to
>>>> book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you
>>>> gonna invite, etc
>>>>
>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach
>>>> meetings?  NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what
>>>> we do policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what
>>>> the FC does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance
>>>> Committee is in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to
>>>> be able to get money from them.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
>>>> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
>>>> FC activities ever.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>>>
>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
>>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
>>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
>>>> it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't
>>>> be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>>>
>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan. It
>>>> is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As to the below:
>>>>
>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
>>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
>>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
>>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
>>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
>>>> the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
>>>> not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
>>>> parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
>>>> parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
>>>> reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
>>>> people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
>>>> and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>>>
>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree with
>>>> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
>>>> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
>>>> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>>>
>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned: 1.
>>>> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>>>> been agreed on.
>>>>
>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members
>>>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many
>>>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I
>>>> should not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work
>>>> with consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I
>>>> cannot find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly.
>>>> Especially with a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thato said
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
>>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one
>>>> single committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
>>>> are in draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
>>>> on not sharing documents and not being open.
>>>>
>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
>>>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets
>>>> the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to
>>>> the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been objected
>>>> to without any remarks.
>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing list
>>>> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for justified
>>>> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the beginning.
>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment
>>>> on the operating procedures
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to
>>>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice
>>>>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the
>>>>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of
>>>>>>>> the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits
>>>>>>>> on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and
>>>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>>>>>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was
>>>>>>>> recorded in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request
>>>>>>>> on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG
>>>>>>>> EC approval. *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of
>>>>>>>> insubordination* because it will always pose problems to the
>>>>>>>> proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this also needs to be repeated,
>>>>>>>> as it seems like the FC is in competition with itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what
>>>>>>>>>> is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind
>>>>>>>>>> but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:41:17 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Generally looks good to me but the OP stuff can be discussed beforehand as
well and we just report on the progress.

when I come up with the agenda of NCSG Open session I will ask PC and EC if
we can allocate 15 mins to FC to discuss.

Best
Farzaneh


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:37 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert
> back. I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see
> how to integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing
> the NCSG FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
> accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.
>
> Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be
> submitted tomorrow???
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
>>
>> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
>> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and NCUC)
>>
>> On agenda Part 1:
>> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
>>
>> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
>>
>> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
>> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be have
>> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly
>> seek volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
>> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
>> interactions.
>>
>> on Part 2:
>> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
>> Staff - 7 minutes
>>
>> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
>>
>> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
>>
>> *NB:* Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in
>> the ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business
>> of AGM including presentation of an annual report containing information
>> for stakeholders about the organisation's performance and strategy, so as
>> to afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the process and
>> strategically plug-in. FC members will equally participate in the ExCom of
>> their respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
>>
>> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
>>
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>>
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>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
>>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be
>>> not available, then this will be done online with members who will be
>>> attending onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
>>> experience will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and
>>> comprehensive meeting request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses
>>> above, it seems like the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with
>>> this submission, if anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
>>>
>>> *MEETING 1*
>>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>>
>>> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
>>> to find synergy between the two documents.
>>> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>>> NCSG EC and members
>>>
>>> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>>
>>> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
>>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15 min
>>>
>>> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
>>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
>>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
>>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
>>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
>>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
>>>
>>> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
>>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
>>> to sit on a panel or present online)
>>>
>>> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>>
>>> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>>>
>>> *Presentation areas*
>>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>>
>>> *Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):*
>>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
>>> to ICANN funds and budgets
>>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>>> ICANN staff
>>>
>>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also
>>> provide your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
>>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>>>>
>>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online, whichever
>>>> will be possible, we will work through that
>>>>
>>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval
>>>> of the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>>>>
>>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
>>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>>>>
>>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
>>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
>>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to
>>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or
>>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>>>>
>>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned that
>>>> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies kept
>>>> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new gtld on
>>>> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
>>>>
>>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful
>>>> and ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
>>>> ICANN staff is paramount
>>>>
>>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a task,
>>>> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
>>>> collectively make a final decision
>>>>
>>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
>>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in
>>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to
>>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership
>>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the
>>>> FC?
>>>>
>>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand
>>>> what you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision
>>>> to share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
>>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
>>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
>>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
>>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
>>>> follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>>>>
>>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will be
>>>> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
>>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
>>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
>>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>>>>
>>>> My proposal:
>>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
>>>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
>>>>
>>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
>>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this
>>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
>>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
>>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will
>>>> make the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
>>>> attempt to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
>>>> submission to the EC for approval, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your thoughts,
>>>>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
>>>>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam is asking
>>>>> whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
>>>>> so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for
>>>>> approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting
>>>>> or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really
>>>>> needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to
>>>>> book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you
>>>>> gonna invite, etc
>>>>>
>>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach
>>>>> meetings?  NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what
>>>>> we do policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what
>>>>> the FC does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance
>>>>> Committee is in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to
>>>>> be able to get money from them.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
>>>>> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
>>>>> FC activities ever.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>>>>
>>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
>>>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
>>>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
>>>>> it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't
>>>>> be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan.
>>>>> It is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the below:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>>>>> need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination* because it
>>>>>> will always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
>>>>>> like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
>>>>>> competition with itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
>>>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
>>>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
>>>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
>>>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
>>>>> the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
>>>>> not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
>>>>> parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
>>>>> parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
>>>>> reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
>>>>> people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
>>>>> and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree
>>>>> with some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
>>>>> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
>>>>> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>>>>
>>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned:
>>>>> 1. The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>>>>> been agreed on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members
>>>>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many
>>>>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
>>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I
>>>>> should not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work
>>>>> with consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I
>>>>> cannot find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly.
>>>>> Especially with a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato said
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
>>>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one
>>>>> single committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
>>>>> are in draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
>>>>> on not sharing documents and not being open.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
>>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
>>>>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets
>>>>> the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to
>>>>> the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been
>>>>> objected to without any remarks.
>>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing
>>>>> list any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for
>>>>> justified reasons and the document should be shared with them from the
>>>>> beginning.
>>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment
>>>>> on the operating procedures
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to
>>>>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would
>>>>>>>>> suffice for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts:
>>>>>>>>> the role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some
>>>>>>>>> of the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC
>>>>>>>>> sits on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and
>>>>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to
>>>>>>>>> effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was
>>>>>>>>> recorded in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a
>>>>>>>>> request on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the
>>>>>>>>> entire NCSG EC approval. *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of
>>>>>>>>> insubordination* because it will always pose problems to the
>>>>>>>>> proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this also needs to be repeated,
>>>>>>>>> as it seems like the FC is in competition with itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
>>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what
>>>>>>>>>>> is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind
>>>>>>>>>>> but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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Hi Thato

You have a new committee on your hands and it is hierarchically under NCSG.
It doesn't matter much if me, you or Joan have an agreement.
It matters if NCSG Chair that's as she can oppose the doc on the main
members list, as she did.
So I guess for now is trying to find a way NCSG Chair finds the
procedures are workable so you can move forward.
This would be my suggestion.

Best,

Renata



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert back.
> I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see how to
> integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing the NCSG
> FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
> accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.
>
> Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be submitted
> tomorrow???
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
>>
>> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
>> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and NCUC)
>>
>> On agenda Part 1:
>> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
>>
>> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
>>
>> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
>> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be have
>> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly seek
>> volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
>> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
>> interactions.
>>
>> on Part 2:
>> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
>> Staff - 7 minutes
>>
>> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
>>
>> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
>>
>> NB: Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in the
>> ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business of AGM
>> including presentation of an annual report containing information for
>> stakeholders about the organisation's performance and strategy, so as to
>> afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the process and strategically
>> plug-in. FC members will equally participate in the ExCom of their
>> respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
>>
>> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
>>
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>>
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>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
>>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be not
>>> available, then this will be done online with members who will be attending
>>> onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you experience
>>> will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and comprehensive meeting
>>> request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses above, it seems like
>>> the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with this submission, if
>>> anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
>>>
>>> MEETING 1
>>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>>
>>> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
>>> to find synergy between the two documents.
>>> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>>> NCSG EC and members
>>>
>>> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>>
>>> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
>>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15 min
>>>
>>> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
>>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
>>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
>>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
>>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
>>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
>>>
>>> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
>>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
>>> sit on a panel or present online)
>>>
>>> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>>
>>> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>>>
>>> Presentation areas
>>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>>
>>> Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):
>>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
>>> to ICANN funds and budgets
>>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>>> ICANN staff
>>>
>>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also provide
>>> your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
>>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>>>>
>>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online, whichever
>>>> will be possible, we will work through that
>>>>
>>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval of
>>>> the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>>>>
>>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
>>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>>>>
>>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
>>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
>>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to
>>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or
>>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>>>>
>>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned that
>>>> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies kept
>>>> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new gtld on
>>>> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
>>>>
>>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful and
>>>> ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
>>>> ICANN staff is paramount
>>>>
>>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a task,
>>>> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
>>>> collectively make a final decision
>>>>
>>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
>>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in
>>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to
>>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership
>>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the
>>>> FC?
>>>>
>>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand what
>>>> you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision to
>>>> share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
>>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
>>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
>>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
>>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to follow
>>>> the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>>>>
>>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will be
>>>> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
>>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
>>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
>>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>>>>
>>>> My proposal:
>>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
>>>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
>>>>
>>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
>>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this
>>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
>>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
>>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will make
>>>> the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will attempt
>>>> to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before submission to
>>>> the EC for approval, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii
>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " Looking forward to your thoughts,
>>>>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of course it
>>>>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval."  Maryam is asking whether
>>>>> you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If so, what
>>>>> is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for approval? Does
>>>>> the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting
>>>>> or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really
>>>>> needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to
>>>>> book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you
>>>>> gonna invite, etc
>>>>>
>>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach meetings?
>>>>> NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
>>>>> policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what the FC
>>>>> does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance Committee is
>>>>> in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able to get
>>>>> money from them.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so they
>>>>> could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for FC
>>>>> activities ever.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>>>>
>>>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help the
>>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and other
>>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN finance
>>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and ensuring
>>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
>>>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
>>>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds it
>>>>> can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters won't
>>>>> be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan. It
>>>>> is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the below:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public mailing
>>>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please avoid
>>>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders we
>>>>>> need to avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination because it will
>>>>>> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this
>>>>>> also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in competition with
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
>>>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
>>>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
>>>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
>>>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all the
>>>>> comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if not
>>>>> possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged parts
>>>>> and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged parts and
>>>>> the comments should have been shared with the members for two reasons: I do
>>>>> not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for people to see
>>>>> that we had disagreements and had conversations about them and see what
>>>>> their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree with
>>>>> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document without
>>>>> asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to review while
>>>>> we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>>>>
>>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned: 1.
>>>>> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>>>>> been agreed on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the members
>>>>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have many
>>>>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
>>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I should
>>>>> not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work with
>>>>> consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I cannot
>>>>> find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly. Especially with a
>>>>> 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato said
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
>>>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one single
>>>>> committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that are in
>>>>> draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision on not
>>>>> sharing documents and not being open.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
>>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does not
>>>>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft, lets the
>>>>> conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues to the
>>>>> FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been objected
>>>>> to without any remarks.
>>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing list
>>>>> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for justified
>>>>> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the beginning.
>>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to comment
>>>>> on the operating procedures
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii
>>>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity to
>>>>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would suffice
>>>>>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts: the
>>>>>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some of the
>>>>>>>>> current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC sits on a
>>>>>>>>> panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and creating
>>>>>>>>> awareness)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP and
>>>>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this meeting
>>>>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable members to
>>>>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting could also
>>>>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical to effective
>>>>>>>>> operation of the FC when 2019 commences. This was recorded in minutes of our
>>>>>>>>> last meeting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request
>>>>>>>>> on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the entire NCSG
>>>>>>>>> EC approval.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as leaders
>>>>>>>>> we need to avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination because it will
>>>>>>>>> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this
>>>>>>>>> also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in competition with
>>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
>>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii
>>>>>>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe
>>>>>>>>>> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what
>>>>>>>>>>> is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind
>>>>>>>>>>> but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi
>>>>>>>>>>> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting for,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor, DigitalSENSE
>>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News | ITRealms |
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>>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>


From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 22:08:27 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:08:27 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FW: FC meeting at ICANN63 Barcelona
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Thato

Please note that the chair of
? ?
NCSG
doesn't make decis
ons on

her
? ?
own. We have an ec that has to approve th
e operating procedures
.
EC has reps from constituencies.

I am not opposed to the procedures. I don't agree with some parts of it.
As an fc member I will make comments and contribution
.

on the mailing list I made observations as an FC member.

Please note that the charter says:

*2.6.6. NCSG-??FC Observers*



?       Any observer to the NCSG-??FC will have full participation rights
except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote.



?       Elected or appointed representative from NCSG Candidate
Constituencies will be given observer status.



I think the chairs of both constituencies are  observers (it's not
according to the charter that they automatically become observers but they
attended our call and I don't have a problem if they remain observers) .
Observers have all the rights to comment and participate, talk about the
agenda etc.  they just dont get to vote or be counted in consensus. So if
the chairs have any comments, feel free to make.

FC can also invite others to be members of this group. I encourage that, we
can do things more easily. Some members with finance/fundraising
knowledge would help out tremendously.

??

I will suggest a way forward
? ?
soon to the FC.

?

Best

Farzaneh



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:53 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thato
>
> You have a new committee on your hands and it is hierarchically under NCSG.
> It doesn't matter much if me, you or Joan have an agreement.
> It matters if NCSG Chair that's as she can oppose the doc on the main
> members list, as she did.
> So I guess for now is trying to find a way NCSG Chair finds the
> procedures are workable so you can move forward.
> This would be my suggestion.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert
> back.
> > I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see
> how to
> > integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing the
> NCSG
> > FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
> > accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.
> >
> > Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be
> submitted
> > tomorrow???
> >
> > Thato Mfikwe.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
> >>
> >> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
> >> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and
> NCUC)
> >>
> >> On agenda Part 1:
> >> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
> >>
> >> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
> >>
> >> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
> >> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be
> have
> >> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly
> seek
> >> volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
> >> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
> >> interactions.
> >>
> >> on Part 2:
> >> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
> >> Staff - 7 minutes
> >>
> >> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
> >>
> >> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
> >>
> >> NB: Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in the
> >> ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business
> of AGM
> >> including presentation of an annual report containing information for
> >> stakeholders about the organisation's performance and strategy, so as to
> >> afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the process and
> strategically
> >> plug-in. FC members will equally participate in the ExCom of their
> >> respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
> >>
> >> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
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> >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
> >>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support
> be not
> >>> available, then this will be done online with members who will be
> attending
> >>> onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
> experience
> >>> will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and comprehensive
> meeting
> >>> request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses above, it seems
> like
> >>> the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with this submission, if
> >>> anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
> >>>
> >>> MEETING 1
> >>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
> >>>
> >>> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> >>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
> order
> >>> to find synergy between the two documents.
> >>> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> >>> NCSG EC and members
> >>>
> >>> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
> >>>
> >>> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> >>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> >>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> >>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
> >>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> >>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> >>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15
> min
> >>>
> >>> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> >>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> >>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
> options
> >>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10
> min
> >>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> >>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
> >>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
> >>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
> >>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
> >>>
> >>> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
> >>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
> to
> >>> sit on a panel or present online)
> >>>
> >>> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> >>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
> >>>
> >>> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
> >>>
> >>> Presentation areas
> >>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> >>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> >>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> >>>
> >>> Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):
> >>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
> relating
> >>> to ICANN funds and budgets
> >>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
> >>> ICANN staff
> >>>
> >>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also
> provide
> >>> your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
> >>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
> >>>>
> >>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online,
> whichever
> >>>> will be possible, we will work through that
> >>>>
> >>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval
> of
> >>>> the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
> >>>>
> >>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
> >>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
> >>>>
> >>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
> >>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
> >>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC
> needs to
> >>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives.
> Or
> >>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned
> that
> >>>> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets,
> monies kept
> >>>> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new
> gtld on
> >>>> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
> >>>>
> >>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful
> and
> >>>> ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting
> with
> >>>> ICANN staff is paramount
> >>>>
> >>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a
> task,
> >>>> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
> >>>> collectively make a final decision
> >>>>
> >>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
> >>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy
> provisions in
> >>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we
> decide to
> >>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG
> membership
> >>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want
> for the
> >>>> FC?
> >>>>
> >>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand
> what
> >>>> you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your
> decision to
> >>>> share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the
> actual
> >>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP
> was
> >>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not
> complete is
> >>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are
> disorganised. No
> >>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
> follow
> >>>> the FC mailing list is free to do so.
> >>>>
> >>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will
> be
> >>>> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
> >>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not
> oppose
> >>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership
> styles
> >>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
> >>>>
> >>>> My proposal:
> >>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
> >>>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
> >>>>
> >>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
> >>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC,
> this
> >>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
> >>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
> >>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC
> will make
> >>>> the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
> attempt
> >>>> to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
> submission to
> >>>> the EC for approval, thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii
> >>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " Looking forward to your thoughts,
> >>>>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of
> course it
> >>>>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval."  Maryam is asking
> whether
> >>>>> you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
> so, what
> >>>>> is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for approval?
> Does
> >>>>> the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting
> >>>>> or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam
> really
> >>>>> needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in
> order to
> >>>>> book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who
> are you
> >>>>> gonna invite, etc
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach
> meetings?
> >>>>> NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
> >>>>> policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what
> the FC
> >>>>> does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance
> Committee is
> >>>>> in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able
> to get
> >>>>> money from them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
> >>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in
> NCSG open
> >>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a
> slot to
> >>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if
> the FC
> >>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC
> members were
> >>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies
> so they
> >>>>> could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings
> for FC
> >>>>> activities ever.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
> the
> >>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
> other
> >>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
> finance
> >>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
> ensuring
> >>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
> >>>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before
> with the
> >>>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding
> funds it
> >>>>> can check their annual budget and other documents.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters
> won't
> >>>>> be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan.
> It
> >>>>> is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
> >>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that
> ICANN
> >>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
> >>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed
> before we
> >>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to the below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
> mailing
> >>>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
> avoid
> >>>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as
> leaders we
> >>>>>> need to avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination because it
> will
> >>>>>> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
> like this
> >>>>>> also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
> competition with
> >>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
> >>>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner
> that could
> >>>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had
> kept
> >>>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having
> had
> >>>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve
> all the
> >>>>> comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but
> if not
> >>>>> possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
> parts
> >>>>> and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
> parts and
> >>>>> the comments should have been shared with the members for two
> reasons: I do
> >>>>> not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for people to
> see
> >>>>> that we had disagreements and had conversations about them and see
> what
> >>>>> their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree
> with
> >>>>> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
> without
> >>>>> asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
> review while
> >>>>> we really didn't have agreement on that either?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned:
> 1.
> >>>>> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not
> had
> >>>>> been agreed on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the
> members
> >>>>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have
> many
> >>>>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
> >>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean
> I should
> >>>>> not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work
> with
> >>>>> consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I
> cannot
> >>>>> find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly.
> Especially with a
> >>>>> 3 people committee. You can do the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thato said
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
> >>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that
> route
> >>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and
> harmony, but
> >>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain
> direction and
> >>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person
> or
> >>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally
> circumvent
> >>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself
> that
> >>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC,
> I do not
> >>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC
> irrespective
> >>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
> >>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
> >>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not
> agree or
> >>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your
> reasons, we
> >>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for
> NCSG as
> >>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
> >>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
> >>>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in
> one single
> >>>>> committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
> are in
> >>>>> draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
> on not
> >>>>> sharing documents and not being open.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
> >>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
> >>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does
> not
> >>>>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft,
> lets the
> >>>>> conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues
> to the
> >>>>> FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
> >>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been
> objected
> >>>>> to without any remarks.
> >>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing
> list
> >>>>> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for
> justified
> >>>>> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the
> beginning.
> >>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to
> comment
> >>>>> on the operating procedures
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
> >>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii
> >>>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
> >>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
> >>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity
> to
> >>>>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more
> better
> >>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>> Remmy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would
> suffice
> >>>>>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts:
> the
> >>>>>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines
> some of the
> >>>>>>>>> current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC
> sits on a
> >>>>>>>>> panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
> creating
> >>>>>>>>> awareness)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP
> and
> >>>>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead
> this meeting
> >>>>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable
> members to
> >>>>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting
> could also
> >>>>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical
> to effective
> >>>>>>>>> operation of the FC when 2019 commences. This was recorded in
> minutes of our
> >>>>>>>>> last meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
> >>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve
> funds and
> >>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication
> with ICANN
> >>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising
> purposes and
> >>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a
> request
> >>>>>>>>> on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the
> entire NCSG
> >>>>>>>>> EC approval.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
> >>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can
> we please
> >>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views
> and as leaders
> >>>>>>>>> we need to avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination
> because it will
> >>>>>>>>> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it
> seems like this
> >>>>>>>>> also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
> competition with
> >>>>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
> >>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to
> that route
> >>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and
> harmony, but
> >>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain
> direction and
> >>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one
> person or
> >>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally
> circumvent
> >>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself
> that
> >>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the
> FC, I do not
> >>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC
> irrespective
> >>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
> >>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not
> agree or
> >>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your
> reasons, we
> >>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for
> NCSG as
> >>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
> >>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii
> >>>>>>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thato
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
> >>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already
> go
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe
> >>>>>>>>>> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what
> >>>>>>>>>>> is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone
> meeting in mind
> >>>>>>>>>>> but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi
> >>>>>>>>>>> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting
> scheduled in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the
> meeting for,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
> DigitalSENSE
> >>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
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> >>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
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From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:26:14 +0200
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Hi Farzaneh,

The OP would make a good discussion with members as currently, it seems
like it won't be approved before ICANN 63 unless all contentions are
resolved, which I doubt. So looking at contention areas would be
advantageous and of course everything that will be done in ICANN 63 will be
discussed in detail by the FC before then and this exercise will help with
invitation of members to support the activities of the FC as recommended.

One last confirmation, if I may, according to your experience, do you think
this FC plan for ICANN 63 can help steer the FC forward because we cannot
ignore sections of the OP where there is strong contentions like the bank
account, justification of constituency equitable funding, participation,
financial reporting and auditing amongst other challenges that may affect
the work of the FC?

In your way forward, please also elaborate more on how the FC can
facilitate a more impactful and progressive meeting based on the proposed
ICANN 63 agenda and plan.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:41 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Generally looks good to me but the OP stuff can be discussed beforehand as
> well and we just report on the progress.
>
> when I come up with the agenda of NCSG Open session I will ask PC and EC
> if we can allocate 15 mins to FC to discuss.
>
> Best
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:37 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert
>> back. I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see
>> how to integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing
>> the NCSG FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
>> accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.
>>
>> Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be
>> submitted tomorrow???
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
>>>
>>> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
>>> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and NCUC)
>>>
>>> On agenda Part 1:
>>> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
>>>
>>> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
>>>
>>> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
>>> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be have
>>> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly
>>> seek volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
>>> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
>>> interactions.
>>>
>>> on Part 2:
>>> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
>>> Staff - 7 minutes
>>>
>>> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
>>>
>>> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
>>>
>>> *NB:* Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in
>>> the ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business
>>> of AGM including presentation of an annual report containing
>>> information for stakeholders about the organisation's performance and
>>> strategy, so as to afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the
>>> process and strategically plug-in. FC members will equally participate in
>>> the ExCom of their respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
>>>
>>> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
>>>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be
>>>> not available, then this will be done online with members who will be
>>>> attending onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
>>>> experience will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and
>>>> comprehensive meeting request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses
>>>> above, it seems like the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with
>>>> this submission, if anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
>>>>
>>>> *MEETING 1*
>>>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>>>
>>>> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss
>>>> the Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
>>>> order to find synergy between the two documents.
>>>> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or
>>>> members, NCSG EC and members
>>>>
>>>> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>>>
>>>> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>>>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
>>>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15 min
>>>>
>>>> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
>>>> options (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) -
>>>> 10 min
>>>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
>>>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
>>>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
>>>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
>>>>
>>>> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
>>>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
>>>> to sit on a panel or present online)
>>>>
>>>> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>>>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>>>
>>>> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>>>>
>>>> *Presentation areas*
>>>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>>>
>>>> *Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):*
>>>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
>>>> relating to ICANN funds and budgets
>>>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>>>> ICANN staff
>>>>
>>>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also
>>>> provide your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
>>>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>>>>>
>>>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online,
>>>>> whichever will be possible, we will work through that
>>>>>
>>>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval
>>>>> of the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>>>>>
>>>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
>>>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>>>>>
>>>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
>>>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
>>>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to
>>>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or
>>>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned
>>>>> that the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies
>>>>> kept by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new
>>>>> gtld on Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective
>>>>> CCWG
>>>>>
>>>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful
>>>>> and ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
>>>>> ICANN staff is paramount
>>>>>
>>>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a
>>>>> task, they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
>>>>> collectively make a final decision
>>>>>
>>>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
>>>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in
>>>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to
>>>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership
>>>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the
>>>>> FC?
>>>>>
>>>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand
>>>>> what you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision
>>>>> to share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
>>>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
>>>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
>>>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
>>>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
>>>>> follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will
>>>>> be supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
>>>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
>>>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
>>>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>>>>>
>>>>> My proposal:
>>>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
>>>>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
>>>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this
>>>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
>>>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
>>>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will
>>>>> make the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
>>>>> attempt to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
>>>>> submission to the EC for approval, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your
>>>>>> thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of
>>>>>> course it will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam
>>>>>> is asking whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during
>>>>>> AGM 2. If so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC
>>>>>> for approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings'
>>>>>> agenda?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting
>>>>>> or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam really
>>>>>> needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in order to
>>>>>> book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who are you
>>>>>> gonna invite, etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach
>>>>>> meetings?  NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what
>>>>>> we do policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what
>>>>>> the FC does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance
>>>>>> Committee is in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to
>>>>>> be able to get money from them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>>>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>>>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>>>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>>>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>>>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
>>>>>> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
>>>>>> FC activities ever.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
>>>>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with the
>>>>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding funds
>>>>>> it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters
>>>>>> won't be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan.
>>>>>> It is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>>>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>>>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>>>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>>>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination*
>>>>>>>  because it will always pose problems to the proper functioning of
>>>>>>> the FC, it seems like this also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the
>>>>>>> FC is in competition with itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
>>>>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner that could
>>>>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had kept
>>>>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having had
>>>>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve all
>>>>>> the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but if
>>>>>> not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
>>>>>> parts and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
>>>>>> parts and the comments should have been shared with the members for two
>>>>>> reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for
>>>>>> people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about them
>>>>>> and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree
>>>>>> with some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
>>>>>> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
>>>>>> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned:
>>>>>> 1. The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>>>>>> been agreed on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the
>>>>>> members from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have
>>>>>> many members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
>>>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I
>>>>>> should not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work
>>>>>> with consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I
>>>>>> cannot find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly.
>>>>>> Especially with a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thato said
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
>>>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
>>>>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one
>>>>>> single committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
>>>>>> are in draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
>>>>>> on not sharing documents and not being open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
>>>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>>>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does
>>>>>> not accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft,
>>>>>> lets the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the
>>>>>> issues to the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>>>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been
>>>>>> objected to without any remarks.
>>>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing
>>>>>> list any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for
>>>>>> justified reasons and the document should be shared with them from the
>>>>>> beginning.
>>>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to
>>>>>> comment on the operating procedures
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity
>>>>>>>>> to deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would
>>>>>>>>>> suffice for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts:
>>>>>>>>>> the role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some
>>>>>>>>>> of the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC
>>>>>>>>>> sits on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>>>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP
>>>>>>>>>> and its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this
>>>>>>>>>> meeting with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable
>>>>>>>>>> members to understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting
>>>>>>>>>> could also look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical
>>>>>>>>>> to effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was
>>>>>>>>>> recorded in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a
>>>>>>>>>> request on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the
>>>>>>>>>> entire NCSG EC approval. *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of
>>>>>>>>>> insubordination* because it will always pose problems to the
>>>>>>>>>> proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this also needs to be repeated,
>>>>>>>>>> as it seems like the FC is in competition with itself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
>>>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in mind
>>>>>>>>>>>> but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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Hi Thato

I think we can discuss all the aspects there are disagreements about in a
series of webinars with the members and discussions on the mailing list. We
just have to take the issues out and pose them as questions. See what they
think. Then come to a conclusion.

I never did operating procedures in face to face meetings. They were all
online - it can happen. If OP is not done by Barcelona and FC members are
attending already then I think it's good to have a meeting.

I am going to extract the questions that has to be answered, post here  and
then to the mailing list.






Farzaneh


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 3:26 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> The OP would make a good discussion with members as currently, it seems
> like it won't be approved before ICANN 63 unless all contentions are
> resolved, which I doubt. So looking at contention areas would be
> advantageous and of course everything that will be done in ICANN 63 will be
> discussed in detail by the FC before then and this exercise will help with
> invitation of members to support the activities of the FC as recommended.
>
> One last confirmation, if I may, according to your experience, do you
> think this FC plan for ICANN 63 can help steer the FC forward because we
> cannot ignore sections of the OP where there is strong contentions like the
> bank account, justification of constituency equitable funding,
> participation, financial reporting and auditing amongst other challenges
> that may affect the work of the FC?
>
> In your way forward, please also elaborate more on how the FC can
> facilitate a more impactful and progressive meeting based on the proposed
> ICANN 63 agenda and plan.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:41 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Generally looks good to me but the OP stuff can be discussed beforehand
>> as well and we just report on the progress.
>>
>> when I come up with the agenda of NCSG Open session I will ask PC and EC
>> if we can allocate 15 mins to FC to discuss.
>>
>> Best
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:37 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert
>>> back. I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see
>>> how to integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing
>>> the NCSG FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
>>> accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.
>>>
>>> Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be
>>> submitted tomorrow???
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
>>>>
>>>> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
>>>> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and NCUC)
>>>>
>>>> On agenda Part 1:
>>>> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
>>>>
>>>> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
>>>> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be have
>>>> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly
>>>> seek volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
>>>> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
>>>> interactions.
>>>>
>>>> on Part 2:
>>>> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
>>>> Staff - 7 minutes
>>>>
>>>> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
>>>>
>>>> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
>>>>
>>>> *NB:* Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in
>>>> the ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business
>>>> of AGM including presentation of an annual report containing
>>>> information for stakeholders about the organisation's performance and
>>>> strategy, so as to afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the
>>>> process and strategically plug-in. FC members will equally participate in
>>>> the ExCom of their respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
>>>>
>>>> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
>>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
>>>>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support be
>>>>> not available, then this will be done online with members who will be
>>>>> attending onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
>>>>> experience will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and
>>>>> comprehensive meeting request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses
>>>>> above, it seems like the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with
>>>>> this submission, if anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
>>>>>
>>>>> *MEETING 1*
>>>>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>>>>
>>>>> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss
>>>>> the Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
>>>>> order to find synergy between the two documents.
>>>>> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or
>>>>> members, NCSG EC and members
>>>>>
>>>>> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>>>>
>>>>> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>>>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities
>>>>> as listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>>>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
>>>>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>>>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15
>>>>> min
>>>>>
>>>>> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>>>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>>>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
>>>>> options (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) -
>>>>> 10 min
>>>>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>>>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
>>>>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
>>>>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
>>>>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
>>>>>
>>>>> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
>>>>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
>>>>> to sit on a panel or present online)
>>>>>
>>>>> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of
>>>>> its responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>>>>
>>>>> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>>>>>
>>>>> *Presentation areas*
>>>>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>>>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>>>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>>>>
>>>>> *Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):*
>>>>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
>>>>> relating to ICANN funds and budgets
>>>>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>>>>> ICANN staff
>>>>>
>>>>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also
>>>>> provide your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
>>>>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online,
>>>>>> whichever will be possible, we will work through that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval
>>>>>> of the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
>>>>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
>>>>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
>>>>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC needs to
>>>>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives. Or
>>>>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned
>>>>>> that the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets, monies
>>>>>> kept by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new
>>>>>> gtld on Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective
>>>>>> CCWG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful
>>>>>> and ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting with
>>>>>> ICANN staff is paramount
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a
>>>>>> task, they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
>>>>>> collectively make a final decision
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
>>>>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy provisions in
>>>>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we decide to
>>>>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG membership
>>>>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want for the
>>>>>> FC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand
>>>>>> what you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your decision
>>>>>> to share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the actual
>>>>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP was
>>>>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not complete is
>>>>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are disorganised. No
>>>>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
>>>>>> follow the FC mailing list is free to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will
>>>>>> be supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
>>>>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not oppose
>>>>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership styles
>>>>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My proposal:
>>>>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter
>>>>>> receiving public comments before our submission to the EC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
>>>>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC, this
>>>>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
>>>>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
>>>>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC will
>>>>>> make the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
>>>>>> attempt to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
>>>>>> submission to the EC for approval, thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " *Looking forward to your
>>>>>>> thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of
>>>>>>> course it will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval." * Maryam
>>>>>>> is asking whether you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during
>>>>>>> AGM 2. If so, what is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC
>>>>>>> for approval? Does the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings'
>>>>>>> agenda?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F
>>>>>>> meeting or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam
>>>>>>> really needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in
>>>>>>> order to book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who
>>>>>>> are you gonna invite, etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach
>>>>>>> meetings?  NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what
>>>>>>> we do policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what
>>>>>>> the FC does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance
>>>>>>> Committee is in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to
>>>>>>> be able to get money from them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
>>>>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in NCSG open
>>>>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a slot to
>>>>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if the FC
>>>>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC members were
>>>>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies so
>>>>>>> they could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings for
>>>>>>> FC activities ever.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy
>>>>>>> to arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before with
>>>>>>> the previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding
>>>>>>> funds it can check their annual budget and other documents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters
>>>>>>> won't be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan.
>>>>>>> It is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
>>>>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that ICANN
>>>>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
>>>>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed before we
>>>>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of
>>>>>>>> insubordination* because it will always pose problems to the
>>>>>>>> proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this also needs to be repeated,
>>>>>>>> as it seems like the FC is in competition with itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a
>>>>>>> conclusion. But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a
>>>>>>> manner that could achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a
>>>>>>> penholder had kept most of  "the original language" he had put in there,
>>>>>>> despite having had been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did
>>>>>>> not resolve all the comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the
>>>>>>> comments but if not possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments
>>>>>>> of the flagged parts and not just resolve and keep the original language.
>>>>>>> The flagged parts and the comments should have been shared with the members
>>>>>>> for two reasons: I do not have to repeat myself and then forget some part
>>>>>>> 2. for people to see that we had disagreements and had conversations about
>>>>>>> them and see what their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree
>>>>>>> with some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
>>>>>>> without asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
>>>>>>> review while we really didn't have agreement on that either?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned:
>>>>>>> 1. The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not had
>>>>>>> been agreed on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the
>>>>>>> members from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have
>>>>>>> many members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
>>>>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean I
>>>>>>> should not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work
>>>>>>> with consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I
>>>>>>> cannot find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly.
>>>>>>> Especially with a 3 people committee. You can do the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thato said
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that route
>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and harmony, but
>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain direction and
>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person or
>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally circumvent
>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself that
>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I do not
>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC irrespective
>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree or
>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons, we
>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things
>>>>>>> that are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in one
>>>>>>> single committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
>>>>>>> are in draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
>>>>>>> on not sharing documents and not being open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
>>>>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
>>>>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does
>>>>>>> not accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft,
>>>>>>> lets the conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the
>>>>>>> issues to the FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
>>>>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been
>>>>>>> objected to without any remarks.
>>>>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing
>>>>>>> list any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for
>>>>>>> justified reasons and the document should be shared with them from the
>>>>>>> beginning.
>>>>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to
>>>>>>> comment on the operating procedures
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
>>>>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
>>>>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
>>>>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity
>>>>>>>>>> to deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more better
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would
>>>>>>>>>>> suffice for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts:
>>>>>>>>>>> the role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines some
>>>>>>>>>>> of the current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC
>>>>>>>>>>> sits on a panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
>>>>>>>>>>> creating awareness)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP
>>>>>>>>>>> and its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead this
>>>>>>>>>>> meeting with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable
>>>>>>>>>>> members to understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting
>>>>>>>>>>> could also look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical
>>>>>>>>>>> to effective operation of the FC when 2019 commences. *This was
>>>>>>>>>>> recorded in minutes of our last meeting.*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will
>>>>>>>>>>> help the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds
>>>>>>>>>>> and other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
>>>>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
>>>>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a
>>>>>>>>>>> request on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the
>>>>>>>>>>> entire NCSG EC approval. *
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
>>>>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views and as
>>>>>>>>>>> leaders we need to *avoid falling on to the trap of
>>>>>>>>>>> insubordination* because it will always pose problems to the
>>>>>>>>>>> proper functioning of the FC, it seems like this also needs to be repeated,
>>>>>>>>>>> as it seems like the FC is in competition with itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within
>>>>>>>>>>> the FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that
>>>>>>>>>>> route because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and
>>>>>>>>>>> harmony, but if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain
>>>>>>>>>>> direction and guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one
>>>>>>>>>>> person or individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally
>>>>>>>>>>> circumvent activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself
>>>>>>>>>>> that collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC, I
>>>>>>>>>>> do not take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC
>>>>>>>>>>> irrespective of who proposes an idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share
>>>>>>>>>>> the document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not agree
>>>>>>>>>>> or discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your reasons,
>>>>>>>>>>> we need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for NCSG as
>>>>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already go
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone meeting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting scheduled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting for, so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Hi Farzaneh
Thanks for the clarification and suggestions. Its part of the way forward.
Much appreciated.
Remmy

On 19 Jul 2018 8:08 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

Thato

Please note that the chair of
? ?
NCSG
doesn't make decis
ons on

her
? ?
own. We have an ec that has to approve th
e operating procedures
.
EC has reps from constituencies.

I am not opposed to the procedures. I don't agree with some parts of it.
As an fc member I will make comments and contribution
.

on the mailing list I made observations as an FC member.

Please note that the charter says:

*2.6.6. NCSG-??FC Observers*



?       Any observer to the NCSG-??FC will have full participation rights
except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote.



?       Elected or appointed representative from NCSG Candidate
Constituencies will be given observer status.



I think the chairs of both constituencies are  observers (it's not
according to the charter that they automatically become observers but they
attended our call and I don't have a problem if they remain observers) .
Observers have all the rights to comment and participate, talk about the
agenda etc.  they just dont get to vote or be counted in consensus. So if
the chairs have any comments, feel free to make.

FC can also invite others to be members of this group. I encourage that, we
can do things more easily. Some members with finance/fundraising
knowledge would help out tremendously.

??

I will suggest a way forward
? ?
soon to the FC.

?

Best

Farzaneh



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:53 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thato
>
> You have a new committee on your hands and it is hierarchically under NCSG.
> It doesn't matter much if me, you or Joan have an agreement.
> It matters if NCSG Chair that's as she can oppose the doc on the main
> members list, as she did.
> So I guess for now is trying to find a way NCSG Chair finds the
> procedures are workable so you can move forward.
> This would be my suggestion.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Thanks Remmy for your input, I will do necessary amendments and revert
> back.
> > I would also appreciate comments from other members so that I can see
> how to
> > integrate everyone's input or comment. Anyways I meant "harmonizing the
> NCSG
> > FC OP to synergies with the NCSG Charter" will adjust the language
> > accordingly, looking forward to your responses, thanks.
> >
> > Renata/Joan/Farzaneh any comments or suggestions, this needs to be
> submitted
> > tomorrow???
> >
> > Thato Mfikwe.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Thato for coming up with this.
> >>
> >> On the Facilitating Faculty/people needed: FC members and not member -
> >> considering that the members represent two constituencies (NPOC and
> NCUC)
> >>
> >> On agenda Part 1:
> >> No. 2. kindly correct 'and Finance Committee" spelling.
> >>
> >> 3. I expect more time on the Q & A, may be 10mins
> >>
> >> 4. I did not understand what is to be merged as we cannot merge the
> >> Charter and OP, but harmonise areas of difference/interests as may be
> have
> >> been highlighted/suggested from ongoing comments. In addition, possibly
> seek
> >> volunteers to help out in that and then reduce the time from 15mins to
> >> 10mins and add the difference in timing to Q & A as I expect more
> >> interactions.
> >>
> >> on Part 2:
> >> Can we change  No. 8  to "Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG work - By
> >> Staff - 7 minutes
> >>
> >> and 9 to "Remarks by GNSO Rep" - 5 minutes
> >>
> >> 10. I will suggest merger of Q & A in No. 7 with this - 8 mins.
> >>
> >> NB: Can we accommodate in the benefits, need to also participate in the
> >> ICANN AGM open session, knowing fully well the importance of business
> of AGM
> >> including presentation of an annual report containing information for
> >> stakeholders about the organisation's performance and strategy, so as to
> >> afford FC to follow strategically/familiarise the process and
> strategically
> >> plug-in. FC members will equally participate in the ExCom of their
> >> respective Cs to close ranks with their EC.
> >>
> >> This is a good plan Mr. Chairman and I hope my input is helpful.
> >>
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> >>
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> >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:19 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> As you might be aware the FC is currently thinking of coordinating
> >>> sessions during ICANN 63, preferably onsite but should travel support
> be not
> >>> available, then this will be done online with members who will be
> attending
> >>> onsite. Below is the proposed details of planned meetings, you
> experience
> >>> will be very helpful in ensuring we have a solid and comprehensive
> meeting
> >>> request for the NCSG FC. According to email responses above, it seems
> like
> >>> the FC has the go ahead to prepare and proceed with this submission, if
> >>> anyone thinks otherwise, they are free to comment:
> >>>
> >>> MEETING 1
> >>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
> >>>
> >>> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> >>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
> order
> >>> to find synergy between the two documents.
> >>> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> >>> NCSG EC and members
> >>>
> >>> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
> >>>
> >>> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> >>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> >>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> >>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Fiance Committee OP (oversight,
> >>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> >>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> >>> 4. Discussions on how to merge the 2 documents/contention areas - 15
> min
> >>>
> >>> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> >>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> >>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
> options
> >>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10
> min
> >>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> >>> 8. Input from ICANN finance staff - 5 min
> >>> 9. Input from GNSO finance rep - 5 min
> >>> 10. Q and A - 5 min
> >>> 11. Closing remarks - 5 min
> >>>
> >>> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
> >>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
> to
> >>> sit on a panel or present online)
> >>>
> >>> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> >>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
> >>>
> >>> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
> >>>
> >>> Presentation areas
> >>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> >>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> >>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> >>>
> >>> Other benefits for attending onsite outside the 2 meetings(FYI):
> >>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
> relating
> >>> to ICANN funds and budgets
> >>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
> >>> ICANN staff
> >>>
> >>> Please kindly assist in making this making request solid and also
> provide
> >>> your comments so that we can submit to Maryam on Friday, thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Apologies for that, I actually thought that I copied the FC mailing
> >>>> list, but anyway just to provide clarity on emerging concerns:
> >>>>
> >>>> - FC participation in ICANN meetings can be onsite or online,
> whichever
> >>>> will be possible, we will work through that
> >>>>
> >>>> - If the charter permits the FC to hold meetings without the approval
> of
> >>>> the FC, then fine there is no need to discuss this further
> >>>>
> >>>> - I am aware what Maryam is asking from the FC regarding the planned
> >>>> meeting that is why I needed input from FC members
> >>>>
> >>>> - Outreach is not for donors only but can be used to create awareness
> >>>> and explain/introduce the work of the FC to new comers and not discuss
> >>>> issues but we can highlight current and planned activities. The FC
> needs to
> >>>> be visible in NCSG activities, not only PC activities or initiatives.
> Or
> >>>> maybe I was supposed to refer to it as inreach?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Nothing in my last email talks about fundraising but I mentioned
> that
> >>>> the FC needs to keep upto date with discussions around budgets,
> monies kept
> >>>> by ICANN, for instance, currently there is nobody reporting on new
> gtld on
> >>>> Auction Proceeds or participating or reporting on the respective CCWG
> >>>>
> >>>> - Meeting with ICANN finance online or anywhere will be very helpful
> and
> >>>> ICANN budgets are not clear on SO and AC allocations, so a meeting
> with
> >>>> ICANN staff is paramount
> >>>>
> >>>> - Again, we are in no competition, if anyone wants to undertake a
> task,
> >>>> they are free to propose this without any reservation and the FC will
> >>>> collectively make a final decision
> >>>>
> >>>> - If we do not reach consensus, the Charter provides guide on how to
> >>>> make decisions, going public is an individual attempt to defy
> provisions in
> >>>> the Charter, if everytime we do not all agree on something and we
> decide to
> >>>> go public as a result, what image will this give to the NCSG
> membership
> >>>> "That the FC is in disagreement with itself?", is that what we want
> for the
> >>>> FC?
> >>>>
> >>>> - I think we need to discuss your ground rules, I do not understand
> what
> >>>> you mean about so much resistance because I commented on your
> decision to
> >>>> share the OP working document which was a basis for creating the
> actual
> >>>> draft OP. The difference is huge and you know very well that the OP
> was
> >>>> under development by Remmy and sharing a document that is not
> complete is
> >>>> sending wrong signals about the FC, looking as if we are
> disorganised. No
> >>>> matter how you can explain yourself, it is wrong, anyone who wants to
> follow
> >>>> the FC mailing list is free to do so.
> >>>>
> >>>> We need to accept while still early that not every idea we have will
> be
> >>>> supported by the next person or two, failure to accept this truth will
> >>>> result in disgrantled members of the FC but as leaders we should not
> oppose
> >>>> different views, especially by the majority or maybe some leadership
> styles
> >>>> are outdated or not relevant within ICANN communities?
> >>>>
> >>>> My proposal:
> >>>> Farzaneh, can you become the penholder for the draft OPafter receiving
> >>>> public comments before our submission to the EC?
> >>>>
> >>>> Why: Logistics involved with sharing 2 documents can be cumbersome
> >>>> because working with the clean document was an agreement by the FC,
> this
> >>>> draft was supposed to be sent on Friday but was released on Sunday for
> >>>> comment after Remmy made edits, after youyrrecommendation which I also
> >>>> supported. According to my opinion, the working document of the FC
> will make
> >>>> the comment process very complex and bear in mind that the FC will
> attempt
> >>>> to resolve all comments on the final Draft OP I shared before
> submission to
> >>>> the EC for approval, thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:46 AM, farzaneh badii
> >>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I meant that I cannot attend the meeting in person.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what Thato means by " Looking forward to your thoughts,
> >>>>> Maryam wants to submit a request on our behalf by Friday and of
> course it
> >>>>> will be subject to the entire NCSG EC approval."  Maryam is asking
> whether
> >>>>> you want to 1. have a Finance Committee Session, during AGM 2. If
> so, what
> >>>>> is the agenda. Why should this be submitted to NCSG EC for approval?
> Does
> >>>>> the charter say NCSG EC has to approve FC meetings' agenda?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to the agenda, is this the agenda of Finance Committee F2F meeting
> >>>>> or is this the plan of FC activities in ICANN 63? Because Maryam
> really
> >>>>> needs the agenda of the Finance Committee face to face meeting in
> order to
> >>>>> book it, 90 minute or 60 minutes? what are you gonna discuss, who
> are you
> >>>>> gonna invite, etc
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As other points, why does FC have to present in NCSG outreach
> meetings?
> >>>>> NCSG outreach is about telling newcomers/fellows/attendees what we do
> >>>>> policy-wise and what our mission is and encourage them to join. what
> the FC
> >>>>> does is least of their worries, we can just tell them Finance
> Committee is
> >>>>> in charge of finances at NCSG! They are not really donors to be able
> to get
> >>>>> money from them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you mean presenting the work during NCSG open session which will
> >>>>> happen in AGMs, ok. but perhaps a shorter period (10-15 mins) in
> NCSG open
> >>>>> meeting for presentation would suffice since FC wants to ask for a
> slot to
> >>>>> meet f2f. (as I said I don't think FC needs to meet face to face if
> the FC
> >>>>> members are not going to be already there, in the past some FC
> members were
> >>>>> councilors and had funding to go and/or chairs of the constituencies
> so they
> >>>>> could attend in person. no one got funding to go to ICANN meetings
> for FC
> >>>>> activities ever.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I totally disagree with what Thato is saying below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> '- Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
> the
> >>>>>> FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve funds and
> other
> >>>>>> funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication with ICANN
> finance
> >>>>>> and other potential external funders for fundraising purposes and
> ensuring
> >>>>>> C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you need meetings with ICANN staff they will be more than happy to
> >>>>> arrange it with you online through adobe, they have done it before
> with the
> >>>>> previous FC.  If FC wants to look at what ICANN allocates regarding
> funds it
> >>>>> can check their annual budget and other documents.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Attending policy and outreach meeting to discuss finance matters
> won't
> >>>>> be possible, they are short meetings about policy and outreach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fundraising at ICANN meetings? FC does not have a fund raising plan.
> It
> >>>>> is one of its first responsibilities to come up with one. And in any
> >>>>> fundraising plan that is out there for NCSG, I will tell you that
> ICANN
> >>>>> meetings are not the hotspot to raise funds. There are many issues
> >>>>> associated with fundraising activities that have to be discussed
> before we
> >>>>> say we will do fundraising at ICANN meetings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to the below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
> mailing
> >>>>>> list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can we please
> avoid
> >>>>>> opposing each other because we all have different views and as
> leaders we
> >>>>>> need to avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination because it
> will
> >>>>>> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it seems
> like this
> >>>>>> also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
> competition with
> >>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thato, I want consensus to happen. I want us to come to a conclusion.
> >>>>> But I don't think operating procedure draft was done in a manner
> that could
> >>>>> achieve that. First of all, Remmy's second draft as a penholder had
> kept
> >>>>> most of  "the original language" he had put in there, despite having
> had
> >>>>> been flagged by me, commented on and argued about.He did not resolve
> all the
> >>>>> comments. Penholder has to respond and resolve all the comments but
> if not
> >>>>> possible, then the penholder has to keep the comments of the flagged
> parts
> >>>>> and not just resolve and keep the original language. The flagged
> parts and
> >>>>> the comments should have been shared with the members for two
> reasons: I do
> >>>>> not have to repeat myself and then forget some part 2. for people to
> see
> >>>>> that we had disagreements and had conversations about them and see
> what
> >>>>> their opinion is. There is nothing to hide about that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had to go through the document and again say why I did not agree
> with
> >>>>> some parts. And am I mistaken that you decided to share the document
> without
> >>>>> asking us on a Sunday deciding yourself to give them 3 weeks to
> review while
> >>>>> we really didn't have agreement on that either?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So we need to do the process right. These are lessons to be learned:
> 1.
> >>>>> The second draft should not resolve or delete comments that have not
> had
> >>>>> been agreed on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see no problem with sharing drafts of the penholder with the
> members
> >>>>> from the very beginning even. The finance committee does not have
> many
> >>>>> members. We need others points of views and knowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Traps of insubordination? Are you saying I disobeyed FC  orders?  If
> >>>>> you did not mean that, then I don't know what you mean. If you mean
> I should
> >>>>> not have done something FC told me not to do, I am sorry but we work
> with
> >>>>> consensus. When there is no consensus I try to find consensus, if I
> cannot
> >>>>> find consensus then I surely record my objection publicly.
> Especially with a
> >>>>> 3 people committee. You can do the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thato said
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the FC
> >>>>>> if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to that
> route
> >>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and
> harmony, but
> >>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain
> direction and
> >>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one person
> or
> >>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally
> circumvent
> >>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself
> that
> >>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the FC,
> I do not
> >>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC
> irrespective
> >>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
> >>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
> >>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not
> agree or
> >>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your
> reasons, we
> >>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for
> NCSG as
> >>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
> >>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I explained my reasons why I shared it. There are so many things that
> >>>>> are wrong with this process drafting the procedure. I have not in
> one single
> >>>>> committee at NCSG seen so much resistance to share documents that
> are in
> >>>>> draft with the members. I frankly don't think FC can make a decision
> on not
> >>>>> sharing documents and not being open.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need to make some ground rules for how to come up with documents,
> >>>>> this FC does not really follow the usual practice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Penholder drafts, FC comments, modifies
> >>>>> 2. Penholder resolves comments, accept modifications and when does
> not
> >>>>> accept the modification, does not resolve them in the second draft,
> lets the
> >>>>> conversation to be there for members. penholder can bring the issues
> to the
> >>>>> FC lists to discuss and see if it can be resolved
> >>>>> 3. Penholder does not keep the original language that has been
> objected
> >>>>> to without any remarks.
> >>>>> 4. Members should be able to send communications to the FC mailing
> list
> >>>>> any time they want, the moderator cannot stop that unless for
> justified
> >>>>> reasons and the document should be shared with them from the
> beginning.
> >>>>> 5. Members should be given ample time at least 3 to 4 weeks to
> comment
> >>>>> on the operating procedures
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Farzaneh
> >>>>>> Please can you explain what you mean by "Because I  cannot."
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM farzaneh badii
> >>>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> can everyone already go to this meeting (do you have funding?)?
> >>>>>>> Because I  cannot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:58 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks Mr Chairman,
> >>>>>>>> Outline well noted and is ok by me. It will offer FC opportunity
> to
> >>>>>>>> deal with community perspectives as they arise and create more
> better
> >>>>>>>> understanding of FC going forward.
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>> Remmy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 7:34 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I just wanted to check with everyone if the following would
> suffice
> >>>>>>>>> for ICANN 63 please note I am not ignoring Farzaneh's comment:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Participation in NCSG outreach activities or inreach efforts:
> the
> >>>>>>>>> role of FC would be to present and introduce the FC and outlines
> some of the
> >>>>>>>>> current and planned FC activities. This will require that the FC
> sits on a
> >>>>>>>>> panel of a relevant workshop or meeting (Information sharing and
> creating
> >>>>>>>>> awareness)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Development of an agenda centered around resolving the FC OP
> and
> >>>>>>>>> its synergies with the NCSG Charter, the role if FC is to lead
> this meeting
> >>>>>>>>> with the NCSG membership in attendance as this will also enable
> members to
> >>>>>>>>> understand the role of the FC and how to support.This meeting
> could also
> >>>>>>>>> look at other things but the OP and the Charter remain critical
> to effective
> >>>>>>>>> operation of the FC when 2019 commences. This was recorded in
> minutes of our
> >>>>>>>>> last meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Attending an ICANN meeting (any meeting to be clear), will help
> >>>>>>>>> the FC keep up with discussions around ICANN Budgets, Reserve
> funds and
> >>>>>>>>> other funds kept by ICANN, these will ease the communication
> with ICANN
> >>>>>>>>> finance and other potential external funders for fundraising
> purposes and
> >>>>>>>>> ensuring C's and the SG receive fair and equivalent.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to your thoughts, Maryam wants to submit a
> request
> >>>>>>>>> on our behalf by Friday and of course it will be subject to the
> entire NCSG
> >>>>>>>>> EC approval.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It is  not helpful for members to take FC issues to the public
> >>>>>>>>> mailing list although anyone can see mail threads of the FC, can
> we please
> >>>>>>>>> avoid opposing each other because we all have different views
> and as leaders
> >>>>>>>>> we need to avoid falling on to the trap of insubordination
> because it will
> >>>>>>>>> always pose problems to the proper functioning of the FC, it
> seems like this
> >>>>>>>>> also needs to be repeated, as it seems like the FC is in
> competition with
> >>>>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The charter has provisions on how decision can be made within the
> >>>>>>>>> FC if members cannot reach consensus but we do not want to go to
> that route
> >>>>>>>>> because we want an environment conducive to collaboration and
> harmony, but
> >>>>>>>>> if needs it be, we will have to visit the charter to obtain
> direction and
> >>>>>>>>> guide incase of contention of ideas or perspectives, no one
> person or
> >>>>>>>>> individual FC member has authority to dictate or intentionally
> circumvent
> >>>>>>>>> activities or decisions of the FC but it is the entire FC itself
> that
> >>>>>>>>> collectively makes decisions. Furthermore, as the Chair of the
> FC, I do not
> >>>>>>>>> take sides but I support that which I think is best for the FC
> irrespective
> >>>>>>>>> of who proposes an idea.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Farzaneh, with all due respect, I think it was wrong to share the
> >>>>>>>>> document the way you did, knowing very well that the FC did not
> agree or
> >>>>>>>>> discuss the release of the working draft, irrespective of your
> reasons, we
> >>>>>>>>> need to work together. Our focus is to build a functional FC for
> NCSG as
> >>>>>>>>> opposed to preempting the FC goals and plans, lets give it a fair
> >>>>>>>>> opportunity to participate in NCSG activities , thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, farzaneh badii
> >>>>>>>>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thato
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If FC members wont be going to the meeting already, there is no
> >>>>>>>>>> reason to have an f2f finance meeting. Only if you can already
> go
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM Thato Mfikwe
> >>>>>>>>>> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maryam,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me first discuss this with the FC and get back to you, what
> >>>>>>>>>>> is the timeframe for this submission? I had a stand alone
> meeting in mind
> >>>>>>>>>>> but let me check with members how viable this would be, thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Maryam Bakoshi
> >>>>>>>>>>> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Thato, all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list, please could you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that you want a stand alone FC face to face meeting
> scheduled in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN63 Barcelona meeting. If so, how long would you want the
> meeting for,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so I can plan to add it to the NCSG meeting requests.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Remmy Nweke, Esq lead strategist/group executive editor,
> DigitalSENSE
> >>>>>> Africa Media Ltd, publishers of: [DigitalSENSE Business News |
> ITRealms |
> >>>>>> NaijaAgroNet] Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade
> Junction,
> >>>>>> Oshodi, Lagos-Nigeria 234-8023122558, 8051000475, 08033592762,
> 08172004283
> >>>>>> Remmyn at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 15:09:42 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:09:42 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>

 *Hi all,*


*Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
5pm UTC.*

*MEETING 1*
NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)

*Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
to find synergy between the two documents.
*People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
NCSG EC and members

*Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)

*Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
3. Q and A - 10 min
4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize contention
areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min

*Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
(ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
10. Q and A - 4 min
11. Closing remarks - 4 min

*MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
sit on a panel or present online)

*Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)

*People needed:* New comers and NCSG members

*Presentation areas*
1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
3. Q and A - 5 min

*Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
- Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating to
policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
- Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
staff
- Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
of annual reports and 2019 planned activities

Based on your comments:
*Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
be sufficient.

*All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them
in the agenda or what?

Thanks

Thato Mfikwe.
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From raquino at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 17:17:39 2018
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 11:17:39 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMokdMwPCCE=Hbnvsq1wjHbJhkLfgaRfZDVAhECuStoQ2KSEHg@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds fine both agendas to me

I think as per NCSG Chair suggestion, you can also send out a call for
observers to NCSG-Discuss

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before 5pm
> UTC.
>
> MEETING 1
> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>
> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
> to find synergy between the two documents.
> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members, NCSG
> EC and members
>
> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>
> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> 3. Q and A - 10 min
> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize contention
> areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>
> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
> 10. Q and A - 4 min
> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>
> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
> sit on a panel or present online)
>
> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>
> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>
> Presentation areas
> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>
> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating to
> policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
> staff
> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation of
> annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>
> Based on your comments:
> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first hand
> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might be
> sufficient.
>
> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know how
> we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be giving
> them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them in the
> agenda or what?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>


From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 21:12:51 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:12:51 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Maryam,

Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I will
let you know, thanks,

Thato Mfikwe.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi <
maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>


*Hi all,*


*Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
5pm UTC.*

*MEETING 1*
NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)

*Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
to find synergy between the two documents.
*People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
NCSG EC and members

*Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)

*Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
3. Q and A - 10 min
4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize contention
areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min

*Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
(ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
10. Q and A - 4 min
11. Closing remarks - 4 min

*MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
sit on a panel or present online)

*Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)

*People needed:* New comers and NCSG members

*Presentation areas*
1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
3. Q and A - 5 min

*Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
- Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating to
policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
- Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
staff
- Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
of annual reports and 2019 planned activities

Based on your comments:
*Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
be sufficient.

*All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them
in the agenda or what?

Thanks

Thato Mfikwe.
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 21:16:33 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:16:33 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCgpeimUm6dt5_rR1CBf6HX+aopvsL_ZOfbJJRYkGadjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thato

I think Maryam can submit the FC stand-alone slot meeting request (very
complete agenda, thank you, Also don't worry if we have to change the
agenda anything as we proceed we can do so)

As to meeting 2, the 15 minute awareness raising at NCSG open session, I am
in charge of shaping the agenda with EC and PC and can just allocate 15
minutes to FC.

Best

Farzaneh


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:12 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Maryam,
>
> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
> will let you know, thanks,
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>
>
> *Hi all,*
>
>
> *Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
> 5pm UTC.*
>
> *MEETING 1*
> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>
> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
> to find synergy between the two documents.
> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG EC and members
>
> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>
> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> 3. Q and A - 10 min
> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>
> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
> 10. Q and A - 4 min
> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>
> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
> sit on a panel or present online)
>
> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>
> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>
> *Presentation areas*
> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>
> *Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
> staff
> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>
> Based on your comments:
> *Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
> hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
> be sufficient.
>
> *All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them
> in the agenda or what?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 21:31:40 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:31:40 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCgpeimUm6dt5_rR1CBf6HX+aopvsL_ZOfbJJRYkGadjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvCgpeimUm6dt5_rR1CBf6HX+aopvsL_ZOfbJJRYkGadjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__oqJTuH6xyZoB20i1XowGKbyaARWi6KUL_Z6Op6bV8wAeg@mail.gmail.com>

Great work chairman and all.

Yes we can always adjust where necessary, especially on Q and A in the part
1 should not be less than 5 minutes and we can take a minute from closing
remarks to add up.

Weldone people

On 20 Jul 2018 7:17 pm, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Thato

I think Maryam can submit the FC stand-alone slot meeting request (very
complete agenda, thank you, Also don't worry if we have to change the
agenda anything as we proceed we can do so)

As to meeting 2, the 15 minute awareness raising at NCSG open session, I am
in charge of shaping the agenda with EC and PC and can just allocate 15
minutes to FC.

Best

Farzaneh


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:12 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Maryam,
>
> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
> will let you know, thanks,
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>
>
> *Hi all,*
>
>
> *Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
> 5pm UTC.*
>
> *MEETING 1*
> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>
> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
> to find synergy between the two documents.
> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG EC and members
>
> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>
> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> 3. Q and A - 10 min
> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>
> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
> 10. Q and A - 4 min
> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>
> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
> sit on a panel or present online)
>
> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>
> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>
> *Presentation areas*
> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>
> *Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
> staff
> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>
> Based on your comments:
> *Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
> hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
> be sufficient.
>
> *All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them
> in the agenda or what?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
_______________________________________________
NCSG-FC mailing list
NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Mon Jul 23 15:51:13 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:51:13 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBE259B8-2663-4162-8CCB-0EB48D7B9D97@icann.org>

Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request

Hi Maryam,

Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I will let you know, thanks,

Thato Mfikwe.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>>

Hi all,

Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received, please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before 5pm UTC.

MEETING 1
NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)

Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order to find synergy between the two documents.
People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members, NCSG EC and members

Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)

Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight, participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
3. Q and A - 10 min
4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min

Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
10. Q and A - 4 min
11. Closing remarks - 4 min

MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to sit on a panel or present online)

Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)

People needed: New comers and NCSG members

Presentation areas
1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
3. Q and A - 5 min

Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
- Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
- Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN staff
- Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation of annual reports and 2019 planned activities

Based on your comments:
Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might be sufficient.

All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them in the agenda or what?

Thanks

Thato Mfikwe.



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From joankerr at fbsc.org  Mon Jul 23 17:30:37 2018
From: joankerr at fbsc.org (Joan Kerr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:30:37 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADwmshJbBuM0Ls7+==wjv5JnoXOe2mFGtNEgOwVOiouun3FHHw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thato, All

This is really good work on you and Remmy's part.  I like the open and
consultative approach.
Thanks,

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:13 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Maryam,
>
> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
> will let you know, thanks,
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>
>
> *Hi all,*
>
>
> *Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
> 5pm UTC.*
>
> *MEETING 1*
> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>
> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
> to find synergy between the two documents.
> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG EC and members
>
> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>
> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> 3. Q and A - 10 min
> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>
> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
> 10. Q and A - 4 min
> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>
> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
> sit on a panel or present online)
>
> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>
> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>
> *Presentation areas*
> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>
> *Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
> staff
> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>
> Based on your comments:
> *Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
> hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
> be sufficient.
>
> *All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them
> in the agenda or what?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>


-- 

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Skype: joankerr_fbsc

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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 16:20:18 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:20:18 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CBE259B8-2663-4162-8CCB-0EB48D7B9D97@icann.org>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CBE259B8-2663-4162-8CCB-0EB48D7B9D97@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Ns959WG+Fme7wPi5JrC6iZ7-nWFoCA3i7KXFPxBm2DNTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction moving
forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs and
Maryam.

Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will be
required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be obtained
regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
> *To: *Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> *Cc: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>
>
>
> Hi Maryam,
>
>
>
> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
> will let you know, thanks,
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Thato Mfikwe* <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>
> *Hi all,*
>
>
>
> *Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
> 5pm UTC.*
>
>
>
> *MEETING 1*
>
> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>
>
>
> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
> to find synergy between the two documents.
>
> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG EC and members
>
>
>
> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>
>
>
> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>
> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>
> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>
> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>
> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>
>
>
> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>
> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>
> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
>
> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>
> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>
> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>
> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>
> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>
>
>
> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
>
> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
> sit on a panel or present online)
>
>
>
> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>
>
>
> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>
>
>
> *Presentation areas*
>
> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>
> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>
> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>
>
>
> *Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
>
> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>
> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
> staff
>
> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>
>
>
> Based on your comments:
>
> *Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
> hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
> be sufficient.
>
>
>
> *All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them
> in the agenda or what?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 18:40:24 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:40:24 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019
Message-ID: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with
proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will
strengthen the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid
presentation on planned activities of the NCSG FC.

Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget Requests
work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the comment
process of the OP by the community, especially relating to accounting,
oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.

It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that
we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.


Thato Mfikwe.
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From raquino at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 22:11:50 2018
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:11:50 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Ns959WG+Fme7wPi5JrC6iZ7-nWFoCA3i7KXFPxBm2DNTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7NvFPRUWXLxSt7EUqTXzmzn7ToCJw_-ONwScW6TDxqpe7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGZi7Nug=pOKe4AUWpByMg99SfYmOFVsqpNPzeDDUvHAujrQsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CBE259B8-2663-4162-8CCB-0EB48D7B9D97@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <CAMokdMzFu65JAXzaefNXQHh+kRA=Zg_Z7k0Ho3ATmsdGMB5yTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thato

All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
same in NPOC and NCUC.

So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.

Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
this leadership.

Best,

Renata

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction moving
> forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs and
> Maryam.
>
> Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
> facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will be
> required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be obtained
> regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>
>> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>>
>> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
>> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Maryam,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
>> will let you know, thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
>> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
>> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before 5pm
>> UTC.
>>
>>
>>
>> MEETING 1
>>
>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
>> to find synergy between the two documents.
>>
>> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members, NCSG
>> EC and members
>>
>>
>>
>> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>
>>
>>
>> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>
>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>
>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>
>> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>>
>> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
>> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>
>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>
>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
>>
>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>
>> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>>
>> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>>
>> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>>
>> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>>
>>
>>
>> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
>>
>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
>> sit on a panel or present online)
>>
>>
>>
>> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>
>>
>>
>> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>>
>>
>>
>> Presentation areas
>>
>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>
>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>
>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>
>>
>>
>> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
>>
>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
>> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>>
>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and ICANN
>> staff
>>
>> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
>> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on your comments:
>>
>> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first hand
>> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might be
>> sufficient.
>>
>>
>>
>> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
>> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it be
>> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate them in
>> the agenda or what?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>


From raquino at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 22:15:12 2018
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:15:12 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMokdMyM6Nw+K82CZy1Oiz7LkZj9t3aV3FKPUG4o=V0B-qs3TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thato

My suggestion is to share the document on Google Drive on Suggestion Mode
So then you can have control of which suggestions should be adopted or not.

As on guidance on ABRs, it would be worth to schedule a skype call
with Maryam, to understand better

Best,

Renaata



On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with
> proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will strengthen
> the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid presentation on
> planned activities of the NCSG FC.
>
> Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget Requests
> work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the comment
> process of the OP by the community, especially relating to accounting,
> oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.
>
> It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that
> we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>


From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 01:45:07 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 00:45:07 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
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Thanks Renata,

I have registered for the CCWG on New gTLD auction proceeds as there is
nobody currently following on that and Arsene asked, in the last NCSG call,
that I attend to this because he is swamped with GNSO activities and
besides, this working group is of interest to the Finance Committee, thanks
for the feedback.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thato
>
> All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
> of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
> same in NPOC and NCUC.
>
> So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
> would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
> criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
> WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.
>
> Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
> only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
> hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
> take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
> this leadership.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction moving
> > forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs
> and
> > Maryam.
> >
> > Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
> > facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will be
> > required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be
> obtained
> > regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
> >
> > Thato Mfikwe.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >>
> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
> >>
> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
> >> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> >> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Maryam,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
> >> will let you know, thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
> >> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> >> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> >> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam
> before 5pm
> >> UTC.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MEETING 1
> >>
> >> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> >> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
> order
> >> to find synergy between the two documents.
> >>
> >> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG
> >> EC and members
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> >>
> >> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> >> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> >>
> >> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> >> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> >>
> >> 3. Q and A - 10 min
> >>
> >> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
> >> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> >>
> >> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> >>
> >> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> >> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> >>
> >> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> >>
> >> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
> >>
> >> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
> >>
> >> 10. Q and A - 4 min
> >>
> >> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
> >>
> >> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
> to
> >> sit on a panel or present online)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> >> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Presentation areas
> >>
> >> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> >>
> >> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> >>
> >> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
> >>
> >> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> >> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
> >>
> >> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
> ICANN
> >> staff
> >>
> >> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be
> presentation
> >> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Based on your comments:
> >>
> >> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
> hand
> >> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might be
> >> sufficient.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
> >> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it
> be
> >> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
> them in
> >> the agenda or what?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-FC mailing list
> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
> >
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From raquino at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 01:48:01 2018
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:48:01 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
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That's great.
Julf Helsingius follows that one and is GAC Liason
So one more bridge you can try

Em qua, 25 de jul de 2018 19:45, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> Thanks Renata,
>
> I have registered for the CCWG on New gTLD auction proceeds as there is
> nobody currently following on that and Arsene asked, in the last NCSG call,
> that I attend to this because he is swamped with GNSO activities and
> besides, this working group is of interest to the Finance Committee, thanks
> for the feedback.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thato
>>
>> All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
>> of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
>> same in NPOC and NCUC.
>>
>> So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
>> would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
>> criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
>> WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.
>>
>> Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
>> only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
>> hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
>> take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
>> this leadership.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction
>> moving
>> > forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs
>> and
>> > Maryam.
>> >
>> > Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
>> > facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will
>> be
>> > required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be
>> obtained
>> > regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
>> >
>> > Thato Mfikwe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >>
>> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >>
>> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
>> >> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Maryam,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
>> >> will let you know, thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
>> >> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> >> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments
>> received,
>> >> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam
>> before 5pm
>> >> UTC.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MEETING 1
>> >>
>> >> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>> >> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
>> order
>> >> to find synergy between the two documents.
>> >>
>> >> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>> NCSG
>> >> EC and members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>> >>
>> >> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>> >> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
>> >> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>> >>
>> >> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
>> >> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>> >>
>> >> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
>> options
>> >> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10
>> min
>> >>
>> >> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>> >>
>> >> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>> >>
>> >> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
>> >>
>> >> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
>> to
>> >> sit on a panel or present online)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>> >> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Presentation areas
>> >>
>> >> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>> >>
>> >> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
>> >>
>> >> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
>> relating
>> >> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>> >>
>> >> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>> ICANN
>> >> staff
>> >>
>> >> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be
>> presentation
>> >> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Based on your comments:
>> >>
>> >> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
>> hand
>> >> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
>> be
>> >> sufficient.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
>> >> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it
>> be
>> >> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
>> them in
>> >> the agenda or what?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NCSG-FC mailing list
>> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From joankerr at fbsc.org  Thu Jul 26 02:41:15 2018
From: joankerr at fbsc.org (Joan Kerr)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:41:15 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
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Hi Thato,

Perhaps have a formal request to the NCSG EC to support the Finance
Committee for travel. if funds are available.  I think it's important for
such an important Committee to have the opportunity to present the plans
and build relationships.  As Renata mentioned, there is also the open call
for participation for the PIR funds, I an not sure how much money was
received, however, some of it could be set aside for the FC Members.  You
can try proposing it.
Thanks,



On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:21 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction moving
> forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs and
> Maryam.
>
> Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
> facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will be
> required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be obtained
> regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>
>> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>>
>> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
>> *To: *Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> *Cc: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> *Subject: *[Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Maryam,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
>> will let you know, thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Thato Mfikwe* <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
>> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi <
>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>
>> *Hi all,*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
>> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam before
>> 5pm UTC.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *MEETING 1*
>>
>> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Objective*: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in order
>> to find synergy between the two documents.
>>
>> *People needed*: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>> NCSG EC and members
>>
>>
>>
>> *Agenda*: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Part 1*: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>
>> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>
>> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
>> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>
>> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>>
>> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
>> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>>
>>
>>
>> *Part 2*: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>
>> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>
>> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
>> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
>>
>> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>
>> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>>
>> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>>
>> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>>
>> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>>
>>
>>
>> *MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):*
>>
>> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC to
>> sit on a panel or present online)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Objective:  *To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>
>>
>>
>> *People needed:* New comers and NCSG members
>>
>>
>>
>> *Presentation areas*
>>
>> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>
>> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>
>> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>
>>
>>
>> *Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):*
>>
>> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
>> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>>
>> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>> ICANN staff
>>
>> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be presentation
>> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on your comments:
>>
>> *Remmy:* A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
>> hand information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
>> be sufficient.
>>
>>
>>
>> *All:* I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not
>> know how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it
>> be giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
>> them in the agenda or what?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>


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From remmyn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 03:15:45 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 01:15:45 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
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Message-ID: <CAMc__ooKywp+vb9vmrQ60-qHTuzoEfOUL+=Ok47k8RUS3Yoe3g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Renata and Joan for the directions and supports both of you have
jointly advanced for FC to excel. I think its important to commend that and
to urge and pray that whoever takes over from you both learn this rope for
the growth and unity of NCSG constituencies.

Farzaneh's support in strengthening the process cannot be over-looked. It
takes a vision to achieve what have been achieved under her leadership in
NCSG.

However, I really do not think FC has to be shopping around for
opportunities to engage the community unless the best is not expected of
FC, because I do not also see how you can be in an ICANN meeting with a
funding from another working group and not be committed to the WG and
eventually not meeting the optimal mandate of FC to that meeting, hence, I
will earnestly urge NCSG EC via the chair to provide an enabling
environment for FC to explore its focused mandate, especially in following
the money within ICANN and apparent networking required beyond mere
information gathering where the money is to translate to dividends for NCSG.

There is more to human elements in networking than mere writing e-mails.
Mind you, here we are talking about funding, so we must realise that
definitely there is huge difference in *face*-to-*face *engagement and
mediated *communication*.

I will solicit the support of NCSG leadership (via Farzaneh) in this regard
to support the current FC desire to work and make its own contributions to
the growth and seeing improved processes within NCSG, to assist FC and NCSG
mainstream ICANN finance as dreamt and deem necessary for the benefit of
NCSG and NCSG-FC we want.

So, I hereby reiterate that we are much better as a united team both in FC
and NCSG by seeing and availing every NCSG Committee an enabling
environment it require to excel based on its work plan. Either by omission
or commission, FC seems alienated for so long and we must join forces now
to ensure this FC works and for the benefit of NCSG in all its entirety.

Best of the day and thanks in anticipation to all for your continuous
support.

Remmy Nweke





____
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:12 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thato
>
> All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
> of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
> same in NPOC and NCUC.
>
> So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
> would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
> criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
> WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.
>
> Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
> only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
> hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
> take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
> this leadership.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction moving
> > forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs
> and
> > Maryam.
> >
> > Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
> > facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will be
> > required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be
> obtained
> > regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
> >
> > Thato Mfikwe.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> >>
> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
> >>
> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
> >> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> >> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Maryam,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
> >> will let you know, thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
> >> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
> >> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments received,
> >> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam
> before 5pm
> >> UTC.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MEETING 1
> >>
> >> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
> >> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
> order
> >> to find synergy between the two documents.
> >>
> >> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
> NCSG
> >> EC and members
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
> >>
> >> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
> >> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
> >>
> >> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
> >> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
> >>
> >> 3. Q and A - 10 min
> >>
> >> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
> >> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
> >>
> >> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
> >>
> >> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising options
> >> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10 min
> >>
> >> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
> >>
> >> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
> >>
> >> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
> >>
> >> 10. Q and A - 4 min
> >>
> >> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
> >>
> >> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
> to
> >> sit on a panel or present online)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
> >> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Presentation areas
> >>
> >> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
> >>
> >> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
> >>
> >> 3. Q and A - 5 min
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
> >>
> >> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations relating
> >> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
> >>
> >> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
> ICANN
> >> staff
> >>
> >> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be
> presentation
> >> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Based on your comments:
> >>
> >> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
> hand
> >> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might be
> >> sufficient.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
> >> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it
> be
> >> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
> them in
> >> the agenda or what?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thato Mfikwe.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-FC mailing list
> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 06:14:35 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:14:35 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
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Dear Remmy

Thank you. Many NCSG members have expressed their opinion about FC having
to travel to meetings, many have said it is not necessary, the charter
doesn't mandate it, ICANN does not consider budget for it and I also think
automatically re-allocating to FC is not necessary either.

NCSG EC gets 3 travel slots, one goes to the chair, one goes to NPOC EC
rep, one goes to NCUC EC rep (they decide among themselves). If the chair
cannot go, or EC members cannot go, the allocation will take place based on
NCSG travel re-allocation polict. ICANN has not considered any travel slot
for FC. NCSG EC does not have any other money. If any EC  slot becomes
available we publicize on the mailing list and all members can apply. As I
have said, and some of our members have said FC does not need to be in
meetings in person. I have carried out many financial tasks remotely
successfully, as well as fundraising. I do not suggest at any point FC be
set aside money automatically to go to ICANN meetings. Those who have
fundraising experience and are a part of FC know how to raise money for
civil society, by having connection, being able to go to meetings
themselves etc. The function does not need the face-to-face in person
meetings. If FC members happen to be at ICANN meeting (through a
fellowship, being granted travel through other means etc) then great.
Otherwise they are not entitled to, and should not be set aside a budget.
If the constituencies according to their rules and procedures would like to
fund their FC members, I have nothing to do with that decision. Other than
the chair, councilors and constituency chairs, no committee member is
entitled to travel nor gets automatic funding allocation at NCSG. It is
either. FC is here to raise funds and find resources. If it does so
successfully, then we might get to a level where we can fund them to go to
missions on fundraising. That time has not come yet.

As someone who has been involved with financial matters at NCUC and NCSG, I
do not see the need for FC to be onsite at ICANN meetings to carry out its
duties. We can write donors documents, project documents, document our
achievements and fundraise outside of ICANN meetings (which I believe that
is where we should be fundraising) and keep members updated through
webinars.

We extensively discussed this. I don't think in person meetings are needed
except when FC members are there for other reasons. We don't have the
resources to allocate at NCSG level to FC members to attend meetings.
Constituencies can decide their own internal matter. This does not mean
that FC's work is not important. It merely means the nature of the job does
not require them to be on site for ICANN meetings to move things forward.

This also does not mean that FC members, if an opportunity arises for
travel slot application, would be automatically rejected. They will be
assessed based on already established criteria.

I will be at a work event for the next two days and will not be able to
regularly respond to email.



Best


Farzaneh


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Renata and Joan for the directions and supports both of you have
> jointly advanced for FC to excel. I think its important to commend that and
> to urge and pray that whoever takes over from you both learn this rope for
> the growth and unity of NCSG constituencies.
>
> Farzaneh's support in strengthening the process cannot be over-looked. It
> takes a vision to achieve what have been achieved under her leadership in
> NCSG.
>
> However, I really do not think FC has to be shopping around for
> opportunities to engage the community unless the best is not expected of
> FC, because I do not also see how you can be in an ICANN meeting with a
> funding from another working group and not be committed to the WG and
> eventually not meeting the optimal mandate of FC to that meeting, hence, I
> will earnestly urge NCSG EC via the chair to provide an enabling
> environment for FC to explore its focused mandate, especially in following
> the money within ICANN and apparent networking required beyond mere
> information gathering where the money is to translate to dividends for NCSG.
>
> There is more to human elements in networking than mere writing e-mails.
> Mind you, here we are talking about funding, so we must realise that
> definitely there is huge difference in *face*-to-*face *engagement and
> mediated *communication*.
>
> I will solicit the support of NCSG leadership (via Farzaneh) in this
> regard to support the current FC desire to work and make its own
> contributions to the growth and seeing improved processes within NCSG, to
> assist FC and NCSG mainstream ICANN finance as dreamt and deem necessary
> for the benefit of NCSG and NCSG-FC we want.
>
> So, I hereby reiterate that we are much better as a united team both in FC
> and NCSG by seeing and availing every NCSG Committee an enabling
> environment it require to excel based on its work plan. Either by omission
> or commission, FC seems alienated for so long and we must join forces now
> to ensure this FC works and for the benefit of NCSG in all its entirety.
>
> Best of the day and thanks in anticipation to all for your continuous
> support.
>
> Remmy Nweke
>
>
>
>
>
> ____
> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
> (DigitalSENSE Business News
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
> <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms>
> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
> <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E>
>
> *South-South Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable
> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>*
> (Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). JOIN us!!
>
> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS
> <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>
> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> _________________________________________________________________
> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments
> are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended
> only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal
> responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do
> not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make
> any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:12 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thato
>>
>> All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
>> of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
>> same in NPOC and NCUC.
>>
>> So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
>> would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
>> criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
>> WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.
>>
>> Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
>> only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
>> hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
>> take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
>> this leadership.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction
>> moving
>> > forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs
>> and
>> > Maryam.
>> >
>> > Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
>> > facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will
>> be
>> > required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be
>> obtained
>> > regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
>> >
>> > Thato Mfikwe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >>
>> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >>
>> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
>> >> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Maryam,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
>> >> will let you know, thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
>> >> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> >> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments
>> received,
>> >> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam
>> before 5pm
>> >> UTC.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MEETING 1
>> >>
>> >> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>> >> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
>> order
>> >> to find synergy between the two documents.
>> >>
>> >> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>> NCSG
>> >> EC and members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>> >>
>> >> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>> >> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
>> >> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>> >>
>> >> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
>> >> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>> >>
>> >> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
>> options
>> >> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10
>> min
>> >>
>> >> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>> >>
>> >> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>> >>
>> >> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
>> >>
>> >> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
>> to
>> >> sit on a panel or present online)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>> >> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Presentation areas
>> >>
>> >> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>> >>
>> >> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
>> >>
>> >> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
>> relating
>> >> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>> >>
>> >> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>> ICANN
>> >> staff
>> >>
>> >> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be
>> presentation
>> >> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Based on your comments:
>> >>
>> >> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
>> hand
>> >> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
>> be
>> >> sufficient.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
>> >> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it
>> be
>> >> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
>> them in
>> >> the agenda or what?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NCSG-FC mailing list
>> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 12:38:57 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:38:57 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
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Thanks for the response.

Do well to point this FC to anywhere or opportunity to raise more fund for
NCSG. I am very sure, we  are keen on this. Your explanation is noted.

Enjoy your programme.

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 4:15 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Remmy
>
> Thank you. Many NCSG members have expressed their opinion about FC having
> to travel to meetings, many have said it is not necessary, the charter
> doesn't mandate it, ICANN does not consider budget for it and I also think
> automatically re-allocating to FC is not necessary either.
>
> NCSG EC gets 3 travel slots, one goes to the chair, one goes to NPOC EC
> rep, one goes to NCUC EC rep (they decide among themselves). If the chair
> cannot go, or EC members cannot go, the allocation will take place based on
> NCSG travel re-allocation polict. ICANN has not considered any travel slot
> for FC. NCSG EC does not have any other money. If any EC  slot becomes
> available we publicize on the mailing list and all members can apply. As I
> have said, and some of our members have said FC does not need to be in
> meetings in person. I have carried out many financial tasks remotely
> successfully, as well as fundraising. I do not suggest at any point FC be
> set aside money automatically to go to ICANN meetings. Those who have
> fundraising experience and are a part of FC know how to raise money for
> civil society, by having connection, being able to go to meetings
> themselves etc. The function does not need the face-to-face in person
> meetings. If FC members happen to be at ICANN meeting (through a
> fellowship, being granted travel through other means etc) then great.
> Otherwise they are not entitled to, and should not be set aside a budget.
> If the constituencies according to their rules and procedures would like to
> fund their FC members, I have nothing to do with that decision. Other than
> the chair, councilors and constituency chairs, no committee member is
> entitled to travel nor gets automatic funding allocation at NCSG. It is
> either. FC is here to raise funds and find resources. If it does so
> successfully, then we might get to a level where we can fund them to go to
> missions on fundraising. That time has not come yet.
>
> As someone who has been involved with financial matters at NCUC and NCSG,
> I do not see the need for FC to be onsite at ICANN meetings to carry out
> its duties. We can write donors documents, project documents, document our
> achievements and fundraise outside of ICANN meetings (which I believe that
> is where we should be fundraising) and keep members updated through
> webinars.
>
> We extensively discussed this. I don't think in person meetings are needed
> except when FC members are there for other reasons. We don't have the
> resources to allocate at NCSG level to FC members to attend meetings.
> Constituencies can decide their own internal matter. This does not mean
> that FC's work is not important. It merely means the nature of the job does
> not require them to be on site for ICANN meetings to move things forward.
>
> This also does not mean that FC members, if an opportunity arises for
> travel slot application, would be automatically rejected. They will be
> assessed based on already established criteria.
>
> I will be at a work event for the next two days and will not be able to
> regularly respond to email.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Renata and Joan for the directions and supports both of you have
>> jointly advanced for FC to excel. I think its important to commend that and
>> to urge and pray that whoever takes over from you both learn this rope for
>> the growth and unity of NCSG constituencies.
>>
>> Farzaneh's support in strengthening the process cannot be over-looked. It
>> takes a vision to achieve what have been achieved under her leadership in
>> NCSG.
>>
>> However, I really do not think FC has to be shopping around for
>> opportunities to engage the community unless the best is not expected of
>> FC, because I do not also see how you can be in an ICANN meeting with a
>> funding from another working group and not be committed to the WG and
>> eventually not meeting the optimal mandate of FC to that meeting, hence, I
>> will earnestly urge NCSG EC via the chair to provide an enabling
>> environment for FC to explore its focused mandate, especially in following
>> the money within ICANN and apparent networking required beyond mere
>> information gathering where the money is to translate to dividends for NCSG.
>>
>> There is more to human elements in networking than mere writing e-mails.
>> Mind you, here we are talking about funding, so we must realise that
>> definitely there is huge difference in *face*-to-*face *engagement and
>> mediated *communication*.
>>
>> I will solicit the support of NCSG leadership (via Farzaneh) in this
>> regard to support the current FC desire to work and make its own
>> contributions to the growth and seeing improved processes within NCSG, to
>> assist FC and NCSG mainstream ICANN finance as dreamt and deem necessary
>> for the benefit of NCSG and NCSG-FC we want.
>>
>> So, I hereby reiterate that we are much better as a united team both in
>> FC and NCSG by seeing and availing every NCSG Committee an enabling
>> environment it require to excel based on its work plan. Either by omission
>> or commission, FC seems alienated for so long and we must join forces now
>> to ensure this FC works and for the benefit of NCSG in all its entirety.
>>
>> Best of the day and thanks in anticipation to all for your continuous
>> support.
>>
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____
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>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
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>>
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>>
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>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:12 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Thato
>>>
>>> All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
>>> of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
>>> same in NPOC and NCUC.
>>>
>>> So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
>>> would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
>>> criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
>>> WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.
>>>
>>> Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
>>> only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
>>> hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
>>> take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
>>> this leadership.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Renata
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction
>>> moving
>>> > forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs
>>> and
>>> > Maryam.
>>> >
>>> > Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support
>>> to
>>> > facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will
>>> be
>>> > required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be
>>> obtained
>>> > regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Thato Mfikwe.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Many thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>>> >>
>>> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>>> >>
>>> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> >> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
>>> >> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>> >> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> >> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Maryam,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
>>> >> will let you know, thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>>> >>
>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> >> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
>>> >> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>>> >> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
>>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments
>>> received,
>>> >> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam
>>> before 5pm
>>> >> UTC.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> MEETING 1
>>> >>
>>> >> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>>> >> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
>>> order
>>> >> to find synergy between the two documents.
>>> >>
>>> >> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>>> NCSG
>>> >> EC and members
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities
>>> as
>>> >> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
>>> >> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
>>> >> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
>>> options
>>> >> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10
>>> min
>>> >>
>>> >> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
>>> >>
>>> >> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions
>>> (FC to
>>> >> sit on a panel or present online)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>>> >> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Presentation areas
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>>> >>
>>> >> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
>>> >>
>>> >> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
>>> relating
>>> >> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>>> >>
>>> >> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>>> ICANN
>>> >> staff
>>> >>
>>> >> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be
>>> presentation
>>> >> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Based on your comments:
>>> >>
>>> >> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
>>> hand
>>> >> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
>>> be
>>> >> sufficient.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not
>>> know
>>> >> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would
>>> it be
>>> >> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
>>> them in
>>> >> the agenda or what?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Thu Jul 26 16:00:40 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:00:40 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>

Dear Thato, all,

I have uploaded the Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019 to the wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ

The FY19 ABR Process Overview can be found at: https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY19+Process+Overview

You will find the approved ABR?s for FY19 below:

NCSG: https://community.icann.org/x/BS0FBQ, I also linked the original request for ease of reference

NCUC: https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ

None was approved for NPOC in FY19

I hope this helps.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
Reply-To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Date: Wednesday, 25 July 2018 at 16:43
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019

Hi all,

Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will strengthen the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid presentation on planned activities of the NCSG FC.

Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget Requests work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the comment process of the OP by the community, especially relating to accounting, oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.

It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.


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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 20:09:17 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:09:17 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
 2019
In-Reply-To: <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>
References: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAGZi7NvMLq4DiTF6W8ztZOrJEdOCq-=Z6pFWMGWxSewdQrAkzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Renata and Maryam,

Thanks for the link and advice, will schedule a call with Maryam.

Thato Mfiwe.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear Thato, all,
>
>
>
> I have uploaded the Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019 to
> the wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ
>   The FY19 ABR Process Overview can be found at:
> https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY19+Process+Overview   You
> will find the approved ABR?s for FY19 below:   NCSG:
> https://community.icann.org/x/BS0FBQ, I also linked the original request
> for ease of reference   NCUC: https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ   None
> was approved for NPOC in FY19
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Thato Mfikwe
> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 25 July 2018 at 16:43
> *To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
> 2019
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with
> proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will
> strengthen the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid
> presentation on planned activities of the NCSG FC.
>
>
>
> Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget
> Requests work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the
> comment process of the OP by the community, especially relating to
> accounting, oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.
>
>
>
> It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that
> we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 21:14:37 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:14:37 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [community-finance] FY20 Planning Process
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Farzaneh


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From: Planning <planning at icann.org>
Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 6:34 PM
Subject: [community-finance] FY20 Planning Process
To: community-finance at icann.org <community-finance at icann.org>


Dear ICANN Community,

ICANN?s Planning Team would like to invite you to attend a webinar on the
FY20 Planning Process which includes Operating Plans and Budgets for PTI,
IANA and ICANN. We will hold two webinars that will cover the following:

   - The FY20 Planning Process
   - Timeline
   - Community Participation Opportunities
   - Questions

Below are the details for the two sessions. If you are unable to
participate in one of these sessions, they will be recorded and posted to
the community wiki for future viewing and additional questions. We look
forward to your participation and invite you to share this information with
other community members who would like to learn more about ICANN?s Planning
Process.

*Webinar #1*

1 August 2018

1500 UTC

Remote Participation:

https://participate.icann.org/planning



*Webinar #2*

2 August 2018

2200 UTC

Remote Participation:

https://participate.icann.org/planning



*Community Wiki *

*Link to Recordings (Once they become available.)*

*https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY20+Budget+Planning+Process
<https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY20+Budget+Planning+Process>*




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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 05:29:13 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:29:13 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDyn9JiLs36TtVTVoaXrw8+c4jgsCNL8goPXjEz2t0Cjg@mail.gmail.com>

These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
(I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)

1.The charter states that FC should:

 "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
within the ICANN structure."

There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
function and what would that function entail?
[those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
have an audit function]

2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
purpose?
[Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]

3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its constituencies
and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who commented think
not and that it's outside of its remit]

4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in the
charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this issue?

5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.

6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed on
its removal.






Farzaneh
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 17:30:13 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:30:13 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvDyn9JiLs36TtVTVoaXrw8+c4jgsCNL8goPXjEz2t0Cjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvDyn9JiLs36TtVTVoaXrw8+c4jgsCNL8goPXjEz2t0Cjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__opSPBQEJgT37ysgeC6QDak40gbvtPCHrxa0890HW=SODg@mail.gmail.com>

Response to Farzaneh on draft Operating Procedures for NCSG-FC


Thanks Farzaneh for coming up with the questions and comments.

Please find my responses highlighted.


These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
(I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)


1.The charter states that FC should:


 "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
within the ICANN structure."


There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
function and what would that function entail?

[those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
have an audit function]


Well, in handling this comments you tried but seems to focus more on what
are your thoughts and projecting those who supported it than focusing on
real issues devoid of sentiment. The way you presented this item seems to
be the only comments received were from those who thinks along your line of
thought.


Other voices were not brought into your summary which is not good enough.
Based on the point you are making here, it will require review/amendment of
the NCSG Charter and if anyone chooses to argue from point of ignorance or
deliberately joining the say 'No' queue, we should be able to differentiate
that here from the meat of what that session tend to achieve without
personal sentiments.

At least you know I did not insert that in the charter. Therefore we need
to support processes that engender accountability, openness and
transparency.


For instance, one of the requirements from ICANN is for organizations like
NCSG must submit an annual financial statement and this cannot be done in
isolation and I am yet to see any report of such since our charter was
adopted in 2011.


2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person

Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
purpose?

[Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]


Note that there were supports also from both within the FC and community
and cannot be only me supporting or disagreeing with those who disagree
with the session. These I think should also be reflected and taken into
account and possibly we can vote on that as FC. I have provided instances
too to help their understanding. I may not be in FC for life, but we must
provide enabling environment for the FC members to deliver on their
mandates.

The chairman has also presented FC needs especially the fact that from the
comments people are not looking at building networks to improve the fiscal
state of NCSG but merely being sentimental to how to empower FC to deliver
its assignments, which was why outreach by FC becomes imperative.


3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its constituencies
and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who commented think
not and that it's outside of its remit]


In my response to this in the document and before now, I had buttressed
this point with Charter sessions supporting the insertion. And I think we
have to draw a line between what is contained in the charter and mere
comments. For now the charter should be upheld pending when such is amended.


4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in the
charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this issue?


>From my desk and am sure the chair will speak to this too, the current FC
plan is to shore-up the funds made available for NCSG to carry more
activities and we believe that mainstreaming ICANN.org is key to achieving
this so we don't work across purposes and following the money so to say and
extend this drive to outside world, hence the need to support FC and bring
about more members involvement in the activities of our Cs and FC precisely.

I also reminded us not to and stop hitherto the relegation of NCSG FC for
whatever reason, but rather create enabling environment for it to thrive
without undue distractions or undermining influence. The fact is that NCSG
has been in violation of its charter since the latest charter of 2011 as
far as some FC functions are concerned. This we intend to correct.


5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.


*Dear Farzaneh, it is inimical for you to take that position when it had
not been deliberated by FC as suggested, which is one of the items FC was
anticipated to deliberate on and fine a *way forward. By that removal, you
are taking decision without due process. I am sure there should be better
options or fine tuning of that session than replacing it.

For instance, do you have a means of covering bank charges when it occurs
from outside funds received by NCSG and your alignment in the formula as
shown above does not depict that actually FC proposed 20% is meant to be
NCSG-FC. I think it gives an ambiguity meaning there and needed to be
corrected as FC does not exist in isolation but NCSG-FC.


6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed on
its removal.


Please what makes SPV - Special Purpose Vehicle,* not SVP* complicated
terms. It's a term used in financial sector as makeshift to bridge a gap,
which in this case exists because of difficulties in NCSG-FC living up to
the charter mandate to open a bank account or neutral bank plan. Please
tell us what makes it complicated? All we need is to agree to the terms of
its usage as earlier explained.

Its not true and enough that members agreed for it to be removed. What are
the alternative options they are proposing to make the process more
transparent and enshrine accountability acceptable to both Cs and NCSG?

The truth is like I noted earlier it's only FC that knows where it pitches
except if we are to remove that mandate on the charter. Hence there is need
to have the charter reviewed as soon as possible.

Is not enough to sound off a session, ask out from financial gurus on how
such could be handled and let us arrive at best practices that is good to
drive the process. This was one of the reason we wanted to get ICANN attend
proposed session to address some of these issues, but it did not get your
support.

Like I noted, most of the comments or questions you supposedly decided on
should be done by FC, not you as the penholder and that had been one key
reason why we need to meet on this after the comments period has expired to
decide on them as a team, not an individual.


Thanks
Remmy

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 3:29 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
> (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>
> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>
>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
> within the ICANN structure."
>
> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
> does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
> function and what would that function entail?
> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
> have an audit function]
>
> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
> obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
> purpose?
> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>
> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its constituencies
> and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who commented think
> not and that it's outside of its remit]
>
> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
> issue?
>
> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>
> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed
> on its removal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 17:56:47 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:56:47 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvDyn9JiLs36TtVTVoaXrw8+c4jgsCNL8goPXjEz2t0Cjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvDyn9JiLs36TtVTVoaXrw8+c4jgsCNL8goPXjEz2t0Cjg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Farzii,

Please see my responses below in line, thanks.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
> (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>
> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>
>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
> within the ICANN structure."
>
> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
> does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
> function and what would that function entail?
> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
> have an audit function]
>
I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now mean
the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and promote
the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or uninformed
opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
stipulations of the Charter*.
Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
reliability of financial and management reporting.
The audit process follows 6 phases:
1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities of
involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information and
records
2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
contained in the documents received
3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
present the audit scope
4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
management
7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
implemented

>
> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
> obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
> purpose?
> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>
Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy but
also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments oppose
the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please carefully go
through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions around the
subject in different sections of the OP.

>
> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its constituencies
> and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who commented think
> not and that it's outside of its remit]
> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective of
> where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
> this but necessitates it
> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
> issue?
>
We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
accountable and we can take it from there.

>
> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>
The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable

>
> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed
> on its removal.
>
I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II, IV
& edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
solution that would benefit the FC

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 22:49:44 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:49:44 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
 2019
In-Reply-To: <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>
References: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>
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Hi Maryam
Thanks for sharing update on ABR.

Can we get any explanation on why none was approved for NPOC for FY19.

Thanks
Remmy Nweke

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 2:00 pm Maryam Bakoshi, <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear Thato, all,
>
>
>
> I have uploaded the Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019 to
> the wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ
>   The FY19 ABR Process Overview can be found at:
> https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY19+Process+Overview   You
> will find the approved ABR?s for FY19 below:   NCSG:
> https://community.icann.org/x/BS0FBQ, I also linked the original request
> for ease of reference   NCUC: https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ   None
> was approved for NPOC in FY19
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Thato Mfikwe
> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 25 July 2018 at 16:43
> *To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
> 2019
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with
> proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will
> strengthen the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid
> presentation on planned activities of the NCSG FC.
>
>
>
> Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget
> Requests work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the
> comment process of the OP by the community, especially relating to
> accounting, oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.
>
>
>
> It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that
> we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 09:31:54 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 02:31:54 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCfC-6vUPurJVtii6-tHr_bBU-Uu7opNUW+s5RSmsyqmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:38 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Response to Farzaneh on draft Operating Procedures for NCSG-FC
>
>
> Thanks Farzaneh for coming up with the questions and comments.
>
> Please find my responses highlighted.
>
>
> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
> (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>
>
> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>
>
>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
> within the ICANN structure."
>
>
> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
> does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
> function and what would that function entail?
>
> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
> have an audit function]
>
>
> Well, in handling this comments you tried but seems to focus more on what
> are your thoughts and projecting those who supported it than focusing on
> real issues devoid of sentiment. The way you presented this item seems to
> be the only comments received were from those who thinks along your line of
> thought.
>
>
> Other voices were not brought into your summary which is not good enough.
> Based on the point you are making here, it will require review/amendment of
> the NCSG Charter and if anyone chooses to argue from point of ignorance or
> deliberately joining the say 'No' queue, we should be able to differentiate
> that here from the meat of what that session tend to achieve without
> personal sentiments.
>
> At least you know I did not insert that in the charter. Therefore we need
> to support processes that engender accountability, openness and
> transparency.
>
>
> For instance, one of the requirements from ICANN is for organizations like
> NCSG must submit an annual financial statement and this cannot be done in
> isolation and I am yet to see any report of such since our charter was
> adopted in 2011.
>

How do you resport a financial statement when you have no money of your
own? Everything that we got was sent by ICANN
since 2011 until now
and
ICANN
reported on it. Please point me to the members comments that supports the
auditing position. I agree with Thato that we should clarify what the word
"audit" in the charter means.


> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>
> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
> obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
> purpose?
>
> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>
>
> Note that there were supports also from both within the FC and community
> and cannot be only me supporting or disagreeing with those who disagree
> with the session. These I think should also be reflected and taken into
> account and possibly we can vote on that as FC. I have provided instances
> too to help their understanding. I may not be in FC for life, but we must
> provide enabling environment for the FC members to deliver on their
> mandates.
>
> The chairman has also presented FC needs especially the fact that from the
> comments people are not looking at building networks to improve the fiscal
> state of NCSG but merely being sentimental to how to empower FC to deliver
> its assignments, which was why outreach by FC becomes imperative.
>
I saw Joan supported this on the FC mailing  list. Please point me to where
members supported the need for fc to attend meetings to carry out its
obligations. (Other than Fc members comments
and Wisdom adding to the Charter section
)

>
> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its constituencies
> and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who commented think
> not and that it's outside of its remit]
>
>
> In my response to this in the document and before now, I had buttressed
> this point with Charter sessions supporting the insertion. And I think we
> have to draw a line between what is contained in the charter and mere
> comments. For now the charter should be upheld pending when such is amended.
>
> Charter should be interpreted. I said multiple times we need to invite the
drafters to help us with the interpretation.

>
> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
> issue?
>
>
> From my desk and am sure the chair will speak to this too, the current FC
> plan is to shore-up the funds made available for NCSG to carry more
> activities and we believe that mainstreaming ICANN.org is key to achieving
> this so we don't work across purposes and following the money so to say and
> extend this drive to outside world, hence the need to support FC and bring
> about more members involvement in the activities of our Cs and FC precisely.
>
> I also reminded us not to and stop hitherto the relegation of NCSG FC for
> whatever reason, but rather create enabling environment for it to thrive
> without undue distractions or undermining influence. The fact is that NCSG
> has been in violation of its charter since the latest charter of 2011 as
> far as some FC functions are concerned. This we intend to correct.
>
>
> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>
>
> *Dear Farzaneh, it is inimical for you to take that position when it had
> not been deliberated by FC as suggested, which is one of the items FC was
> anticipated to deliberate on and fine a *way forward. By that removal,
> you are taking decision without due process. I am sure there should be
> better options or fine tuning of that session than replacing it.
>
> For instance, do you have a means of covering bank charges when it occurs
> from outside funds received by NCSG and your alignment in the formula as
> shown above does not depict that actually FC proposed 20% is meant to be
> NCSG-FC. I think it gives an ambiguity meaning there and needed to be
> corrected as FC does not exist in isolation but NCSG-FC.
>

I objected to this from the beginning and thato in the end agreed with me.
As the penholder
Remmy, you
should have re worded it or put it up for discussion.



> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed
> on its removal.
>
>
> Please what makes SPV - Special Purpose Vehicle,* not SVP* complicated
> terms. It's a term used in financial sector as makeshift to bridge a gap,
> which in this case exists because of difficulties in NCSG-FC living up to
> the charter mandate to open a bank account or neutral bank plan. Please
> tell us what makes it complicated? All we need is to agree to the terms of
> its usage as earlier explained.
>
> Its not true and enough that members agreed for it to be removed. What are
> the alternative options they are proposing to make the process more
> transparent and enshrine accountability acceptable to both Cs and NCSG?
>
> The truth is like I noted earlier it's only FC that knows where it pitches
> except if we are to remove that mandate on the charter. Hence there is need
> to have the charter reviewed as soon as possible.
>
> Is not enough to sound off a session, ask out from financial gurus on how
> such could be handled and let us arrive at best practices that is good to
> drive the process. This was one of the reason we wanted to get ICANN attend
> proposed session to address some of these issues, but it did not get your
> support.
>
> Like I noted, most of the comments or questions you supposedly decided on
> should be done by FC, not you as the penholder and that had been one key
> reason why we need to meet on this after the comments period has expired to
> decide on them as a team, not an individual.
>

Remmy, Stephanie agreed, Rafik agreed.
SVP has legal meanings, not suitable for this document. As the penholder
would you like to change it?

I will start not taking accusations of not telling the truth lightly or
being inimical etc and turn a blind eye on them from now on. There have
been accusations
that
Thato and you have been under personal attack
(as expressed on a mailing list)
. This has to be corrected. Just because I disagree with you does not mean
you are under personal attack.
You are leaders, take the criticzm and act accordingly.

If you want you can send these questions to the list.



> Thanks
> Remmy
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 3:29 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
>> (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>
>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>
>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>> within the ICANN structure."
>>
>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
>> does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
>> function and what would that function entail?
>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
>> have an audit function]
>>
>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
>> obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
>> purpose?
>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
>> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>
>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>
>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
>> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
>> issue?
>>
>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>
>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed
>> on its removal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
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>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 09:38:56 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 02:38:56 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Farzii,
>
> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating procedures
>> (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>
>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>
>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>> within the ICANN structure."
>>
>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. . What
>> does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an "audit"
>> function and what would that function entail?
>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does not
>> have an audit function]
>>
> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now
> mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and
> promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
> stipulations of the Charter*.
> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
> reliability of financial and management reporting.
> The audit process follows 6 phases:
> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities of
> involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information and
> records
> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
> contained in the documents received
> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
> present the audit scope
> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
> management
> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
> implemented
>

To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up with
the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance. Without
know
ing the
background your interpretation will not be informed.

>
>
>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out their
>> obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for this
>> purpose?
>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
>> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>
> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy
> but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments
> oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please
> carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions
> around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>

I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
mean to attend meetings?.

>
>
>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>
> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective of
>> where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
>> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
>> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
>> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
>> this but necessitates it
>>
>
Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to make
sure we are OK fiscally.

>
>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
>> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
>> issue?
>>
> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
> accountable and we can take it from there.
>
>>
>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>
> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>

Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how it
is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision


>
>
>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed
>> on its removal.
>>
> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II, IV
> & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
> solution that would benefit the FC
>

We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy should
have removed it.

I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the operating
procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore guidance and
cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you don't reword
nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to help.




>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 04:56:12 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 02:56:12 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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Dear Farzaneh and happy Sunday to us all.

Thanks again for your responses.

In finance or financial report, and based on the Charter specification,
financial reporting/statement does not preclude any particular income but
inclusive. So, whether ICANN reported on it from point of expenditures,
there is nothing to show that from the NCSG end or financial books that the
funds or income were judiciously used according to ICANN books and that is
why simple statement is required to state NCSG position among other
inflows/income and expenditures.

Audit does not mean two things in Finance or Accounting but simple
examination of the books, ask relevant questions and get clarifications
where necessary. Its not a judgement desk, just in fulfillment of  a
process inline with guidelines. No one should be intimidated by word
"audit".
Our current leaders may be doing well now but how do you ensure checks and
balances of the books of accounts.

2. Joan was not the only one, Renata also did, are you now saying they are
not members of NCSG because they are chair of Cs today among others?

3. The truth is that Charter interpretation is good but does not require
drafters to do so. And why I rejected that idea is that the current
responsibility as far as the Charter is concerned including near right
interpretation and implimentation of right decisions does not require
drafters engagement and as far as I am concerned is belittling to say the
least.
At least it was not written in some foreign language but English and I am
sure we all understand English well enough to interprete it.

What I think we should do is to have a meeting, discuss any session, and
vote on them and move on.
 Whatever is the outcome should bind us all and case closed including the
sharing formula, which was what I suggested abni tio.

5. I did not want to reword it as I thought we should discuss it first and
stated so in my submission before it was shared for comments, which was
also what I canvassed we do before sharing but you refused and now instead
of us discussing it by taking our broader understanding and comments into
consideration where relevant, you removed it.

What options do you offer to answer the questions I raised than just
removing those contentious sessions?

It can be reworded based on the agreed terms by FC eventually since the
terms I proposed was not ok by you and few of our colleagues.of which I
have given an idea how to go about it.

Points of note here is the (1) sharing formula and then (2) method; be fund
shared to Cs as fund come or do Cs apply. Non of these were discussed as
suggested and that is why are here going forth and back.

6. I also know in some of my other lives, we have used SPV - Special
Purpose Vehicle, and not SVP, probably you meant a different thing which I
am not aware of; and it worked well for the multi-group. If you have
alternative, can we have it, simple, not mere saying its complicated. now
it has legal means. Does anyone expect FC to do somethings that are not
legal? Like I noted, once we agree on way forward, it could be reworded,
its one of the puzzles we intend solve maybe with ICANN legal, may be since
we cant have session to hear from ICANN legal and community, we can discuss
it via FC meeting focusing on alternate options with ICANN legal in
attendance.

I have said this before FC functions are tripod assignment (Financial
secretary, Treasurer and auditing).

You have the mandate to call for review of charter all things equal.


I really dont take note of accusations, they are bound to come, the only
thing is ensure you have a good and clean slate. Thanks for reminding us to
take criticism. I am sure we are do so madam chair with your support. I see
it as feedback.


Like I said earlier, sending it to list, does not solve bulk of the
problems. The bulk stops with the FC, except if I did not understand the
Charter well. Whatever is done under FC, its members/leaders take
responsibility including accollades and knocks.


I hope you understand me better now.

Best of the week
Remmy Nweke

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzii,
>>
>> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating
>>> procedures (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>>
>>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>>
>>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>>> within the ICANN structure."
>>>
>>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. .
>>> What does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an
>>> "audit" function and what would that function entail?
>>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does
>>> not have an audit function]
>>>
>> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
>> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
>> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
>> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
>> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
>> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
>> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
>> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now
>> mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and
>> promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
>> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
>> stipulations of the Charter*.
>> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
>> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
>> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
>> reliability of financial and management reporting.
>> The audit process follows 6 phases:
>> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities of
>> involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information and
>> records
>> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
>> contained in the documents received
>> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
>> present the audit scope
>> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
>> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
>> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
>> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
>> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
>> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
>> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
>> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
>> management
>> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
>> implemented
>>
>
> To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up with
> the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance. Without
> know
> ing the
> background your interpretation will not be informed.
>
>>
>>
>>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out
>>> their obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for
>>> this purpose?
>>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
>>> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>>
>> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy
>> but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments
>> oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please
>> carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions
>> around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>>
>
> I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
> mean to attend meetings?.
>
>>
>>
>>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>>
>> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective
>>> of where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
>>> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
>>> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
>>> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
>>> this but necessitates it
>>>
>>
> Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to make
> sure we are OK fiscally.
>
>>
>>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
>>> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
>>> issue?
>>>
>> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
>> accountable and we can take it from there.
>>
>>>
>>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>>
>> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>>
>
> Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how it
> is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision
>
>
>>
>>
>>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented agreed
>>> on its removal.
>>>
>> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II,
>> IV & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
>> solution that would benefit the FC
>>
>
> We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
> ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy
> should have removed it.
>
> I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the
> operating procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore
> guidance and cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you
> don't reword nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to
> help.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 07:33:14 2018
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 00:33:14 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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I only took into account the comments made on the Google doc for now. You
can share the questions and see what others think. Fc members are appointed
to this positions.

I can't unfortunately work anymore on the document.The penholder should not
be so attached to the original language he provided. Despite being even
disagreed with by two fc members, this keeps happening.  I provided
alternatives for the loaded word of SPV (made a typo in previous email,
mistakes happen) it should be removed and I provided reasons and it was
supported.

Let's have a meeting. But if we are going to argue over the same things
that I have argued over multiple times provided reasonings and provided
alternative language and it was put up for public comment and again members
on Google doc agreed,  then I'm afraid even a meeting won't be fruitful.
Unless there are new solutions by other FC members. Also I am concerned
that other FC member refrain  from inviting those involved with drafting
ncsg charter to being their rational and opinions.

Dont forget that NCSG EC has to review the operating procedures. If
anything goes against the charter now or not clear, then EC might not
approve it.Please don't frame this as a threat as you did in previous
communications, I did try to help, and spent a lot of time on this so
doesn't mean I have not been cooperative or not wanting FC to succeed, it
doesn't matter who would be chair in the future, EC members will look at
this document critically.

Another note: if this OP gets approved with no substantive changes, its
enforcement in the future will see challenges if it is not in line with the
charter and unreasonable. I am trying to help. My efforts might be framed
as blo.cking progress. But I have had to experience with drafting multiple
ops and I have no skin in the game And want  things go smoothly. You can
either choose to look at alternatives and another lens, or just emphasize
your previous positions.





On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:56 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Farzaneh and happy Sunday to us all.
>
> Thanks again for your responses.
>
> In finance or financial report, and based on the Charter specification,
> financial reporting/statement does not preclude any particular income but
> inclusive. So, whether ICANN reported on it from point of expenditures,
> there is nothing to show that from the NCSG end or financial books that the
> funds or income were judiciously used according to ICANN books and that is
> why simple statement is required to state NCSG position among other
> inflows/income and expenditures.
>
> Audit does not mean two things in Finance or Accounting but simple
> examination of the books, ask relevant questions and get clarifications
> where necessary. Its not a judgement desk, just in fulfillment of  a
> process inline with guidelines. No one should be intimidated by word
> "audit".
> Our current leaders may be doing well now but how do you ensure checks and
> balances of the books of accounts.
>
> 2. Joan was not the only one, Renata also did, are you now saying they are
> not members of NCSG because they are chair of Cs today among others?
>
> 3. The truth is that Charter interpretation is good but does not require
> drafters to do so. And why I rejected that idea is that the current
> responsibility as far as the Charter is concerned including near right
> interpretation and implimentation of right decisions does not require
> drafters engagement and as far as I am concerned is belittling to say the
> least.
> At least it was not written in some foreign language but English and I am
> sure we all understand English well enough to interprete it.
>
> What I think we should do is to have a meeting, discuss any session, and
> vote on them and move on.
>  Whatever is the outcome should bind us all and case closed including the
> sharing formula, which was what I suggested abni tio.
>
> 5. I did not want to reword it as I thought we should discuss it first and
> stated so in my submission before it was shared for comments, which was
> also what I canvassed we do before sharing but you refused and now instead
> of us discussing it by taking our broader understanding and comments into
> consideration where relevant, you removed it.
>
> What options do you offer to answer the questions I raised than just
> removing those contentious sessions?
>
> It can be reworded based on the agreed terms by FC eventually since the
> terms I proposed was not ok by you and few of our colleagues.of which I
> have given an idea how to go about it.
>
> Points of note here is the (1) sharing formula and then (2) method; be
> fund shared to Cs as fund come or do Cs apply. Non of these were discussed
> as suggested and that is why are here going forth and back.
>
> 6. I also know in some of my other lives, we have used SPV - Special
> Purpose Vehicle, and not SVP, probably you meant a different thing which I
> am not aware of; and it worked well for the multi-group. If you have
> alternative, can we have it, simple, not mere saying its complicated. now
> it has legal means. Does anyone expect FC to do somethings that are not
> legal? Like I noted, once we agree on way forward, it could be reworded,
> its one of the puzzles we intend solve maybe with ICANN legal, may be since
> we cant have session to hear from ICANN legal and community, we can discuss
> it via FC meeting focusing on alternate options with ICANN legal in
> attendance.
>
> I have said this before FC functions are tripod assignment (Financial
> secretary, Treasurer and auditing).
>
> You have the mandate to call for review of charter all things equal.
>
>
> I really dont take note of accusations, they are bound to come, the only
> thing is ensure you have a good and clean slate. Thanks for reminding us to
> take criticism. I am sure we are do so madam chair with your support. I see
> it as feedback.
>
>
> Like I said earlier, sending it to list, does not solve bulk of the
> problems. The bulk stops with the FC, except if I did not understand the
> Charter well. Whatever is done under FC, its members/leaders take
> responsibility including accollades and knocks.
>
>
> I hope you understand me better now.
>
> Best of the week
> Remmy Nweke
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzii,
>>>
>>> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating
>>>> procedures (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>>>
>>>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>>>
>>>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>>>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>>>> within the ICANN structure."
>>>>
>>>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. .
>>>> What does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an
>>>> "audit" function and what would that function entail?
>>>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does
>>>> not have an audit function]
>>>>
>>> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
>>> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
>>> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
>>> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
>>> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
>>> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
>>> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
>>> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now
>>> mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and
>>> promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
>>> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
>>> stipulations of the Charter*.
>>> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
>>> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
>>> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
>>> reliability of financial and management reporting.
>>> The audit process follows 6 phases:
>>> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities of
>>> involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information and
>>> records
>>> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
>>> contained in the documents received
>>> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
>>> present the audit scope
>>> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
>>> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
>>> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
>>> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
>>> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
>>> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
>>> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
>>> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
>>> management
>>> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
>>> implemented
>>>
>>
>> To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up
>> with the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance.
>> Without know
>> ing the
>> background your interpretation will not be informed.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>>>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out
>>>> their obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for
>>>> this purpose?
>>>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend ICANN
>>>> meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>>>
>>> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy
>>> but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments
>>> oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please
>>> carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions
>>> around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
>> mean to attend meetings?.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>>>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>>>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>>>
>>> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective
>>>> of where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
>>>> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
>>>> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
>>>> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
>>>> this but necessitates it
>>>>
>>>
>> Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to make
>> sure we are OK fiscally.
>>
>>>
>>>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted in
>>>> the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address this
>>>> issue?
>>>>
>>> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
>>> accountable and we can take it from there.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>>>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>>>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>>>
>>> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>>>
>>
>> Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how
>> it is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented
>>>> agreed on its removal.
>>>>
>>> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II,
>>> IV & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
>>> solution that would benefit the FC
>>>
>>
>> We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
>> ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy
>> should have removed it.
>>
>> I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the
>> operating procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore
>> guidance and cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you
>> don't reword nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to
>> help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From raquino at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 22:50:10 2018
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:50:10 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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I agree a call would be good
I see lots of compromises that can be made but weren't suggested already

Btw which is the doc url?

And let's go Rousseau on this. Everyone has good intentions until proven
evil.

Em dom, 29 de jul de 2018 01:33, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> I only took into account the comments made on the Google doc for now. You
> can share the questions and see what others think. Fc members are appointed
> to this positions.
>
> I can't unfortunately work anymore on the document.The penholder should
> not be so attached to the original language he provided. Despite being even
> disagreed with by two fc members, this keeps happening.  I provided
> alternatives for the loaded word of SPV (made a typo in previous email,
> mistakes happen) it should be removed and I provided reasons and it was
> supported.
>
> Let's have a meeting. But if we are going to argue over the same things
> that I have argued over multiple times provided reasonings and provided
> alternative language and it was put up for public comment and again members
> on Google doc agreed,  then I'm afraid even a meeting won't be fruitful.
> Unless there are new solutions by other FC members. Also I am concerned
> that other FC member refrain  from inviting those involved with drafting
> ncsg charter to being their rational and opinions.
>
> Dont forget that NCSG EC has to review the operating procedures. If
> anything goes against the charter now or not clear, then EC might not
> approve it.Please don't frame this as a threat as you did in previous
> communications, I did try to help, and spent a lot of time on this so
> doesn't mean I have not been cooperative or not wanting FC to succeed, it
> doesn't matter who would be chair in the future, EC members will look at
> this document critically.
>
> Another note: if this OP gets approved with no substantive changes, its
> enforcement in the future will see challenges if it is not in line with the
> charter and unreasonable. I am trying to help. My efforts might be framed
> as blo.cking progress. But I have had to experience with drafting multiple
> ops and I have no skin in the game And want  things go smoothly. You can
> either choose to look at alternatives and another lens, or just emphasize
> your previous positions.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:56 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Farzaneh and happy Sunday to us all.
>>
>> Thanks again for your responses.
>>
>> In finance or financial report, and based on the Charter specification,
>> financial reporting/statement does not preclude any particular income but
>> inclusive. So, whether ICANN reported on it from point of expenditures,
>> there is nothing to show that from the NCSG end or financial books that the
>> funds or income were judiciously used according to ICANN books and that is
>> why simple statement is required to state NCSG position among other
>> inflows/income and expenditures.
>>
>> Audit does not mean two things in Finance or Accounting but simple
>> examination of the books, ask relevant questions and get clarifications
>> where necessary. Its not a judgement desk, just in fulfillment of  a
>> process inline with guidelines. No one should be intimidated by word
>> "audit".
>> Our current leaders may be doing well now but how do you ensure checks
>> and balances of the books of accounts.
>>
>> 2. Joan was not the only one, Renata also did, are you now saying they
>> are not members of NCSG because they are chair of Cs today among others?
>>
>> 3. The truth is that Charter interpretation is good but does not require
>> drafters to do so. And why I rejected that idea is that the current
>> responsibility as far as the Charter is concerned including near right
>> interpretation and implimentation of right decisions does not require
>> drafters engagement and as far as I am concerned is belittling to say the
>> least.
>> At least it was not written in some foreign language but English and I am
>> sure we all understand English well enough to interprete it.
>>
>> What I think we should do is to have a meeting, discuss any session, and
>> vote on them and move on.
>>  Whatever is the outcome should bind us all and case closed including the
>> sharing formula, which was what I suggested abni tio.
>>
>> 5. I did not want to reword it as I thought we should discuss it first
>> and stated so in my submission before it was shared for comments, which was
>> also what I canvassed we do before sharing but you refused and now instead
>> of us discussing it by taking our broader understanding and comments into
>> consideration where relevant, you removed it.
>>
>> What options do you offer to answer the questions I raised than just
>> removing those contentious sessions?
>>
>> It can be reworded based on the agreed terms by FC eventually since the
>> terms I proposed was not ok by you and few of our colleagues.of which I
>> have given an idea how to go about it.
>>
>> Points of note here is the (1) sharing formula and then (2) method; be
>> fund shared to Cs as fund come or do Cs apply. Non of these were discussed
>> as suggested and that is why are here going forth and back.
>>
>> 6. I also know in some of my other lives, we have used SPV - Special
>> Purpose Vehicle, and not SVP, probably you meant a different thing which I
>> am not aware of; and it worked well for the multi-group. If you have
>> alternative, can we have it, simple, not mere saying its complicated. now
>> it has legal means. Does anyone expect FC to do somethings that are not
>> legal? Like I noted, once we agree on way forward, it could be reworded,
>> its one of the puzzles we intend solve maybe with ICANN legal, may be since
>> we cant have session to hear from ICANN legal and community, we can discuss
>> it via FC meeting focusing on alternate options with ICANN legal in
>> attendance.
>>
>> I have said this before FC functions are tripod assignment (Financial
>> secretary, Treasurer and auditing).
>>
>> You have the mandate to call for review of charter all things equal.
>>
>>
>> I really dont take note of accusations, they are bound to come, the only
>> thing is ensure you have a good and clean slate. Thanks for reminding us to
>> take criticism. I am sure we are do so madam chair with your support. I see
>> it as feedback.
>>
>>
>> Like I said earlier, sending it to list, does not solve bulk of the
>> problems. The bulk stops with the FC, except if I did not understand the
>> Charter well. Whatever is done under FC, its members/leaders take
>> responsibility including accollades and knocks.
>>
>>
>> I hope you understand me better now.
>>
>> Best of the week
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating
>>>>> procedures (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed
>>>>> financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for
>>>>> organizations within the ICANN structure."
>>>>>
>>>>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. .
>>>>> What does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an
>>>>> "audit" function and what would that function entail?
>>>>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does
>>>>> not have an audit function]
>>>>>
>>>> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
>>>> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
>>>> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
>>>> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
>>>> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
>>>> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
>>>> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
>>>> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now
>>>> mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and
>>>> promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
>>>> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
>>>> stipulations of the Charter*.
>>>> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
>>>> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
>>>> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
>>>> reliability of financial and management reporting.
>>>> The audit process follows 6 phases:
>>>> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities
>>>> of involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information
>>>> and records
>>>> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
>>>> contained in the documents received
>>>> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
>>>> present the audit scope
>>>> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
>>>> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
>>>> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
>>>> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
>>>> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
>>>> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
>>>> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
>>>> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
>>>> management
>>>> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
>>>> implemented
>>>>
>>>
>>> To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up
>>> with the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance.
>>> Without know
>>> ing the
>>> background your interpretation will not be informed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>>>>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out
>>>>> their obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for
>>>>> this purpose?
>>>>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend
>>>>> ICANN meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy
>>>> but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments
>>>> oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please
>>>> carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions
>>>> around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
>>> mean to attend meetings?.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>>>>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>>>>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>>>>
>>>> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective
>>>>> of where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
>>>>> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
>>>>> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
>>>>> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
>>>>> this but necessitates it
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to make
>>> sure we are OK fiscally.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted
>>>>> in the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address
>>>>> this issue?
>>>>>
>>>> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
>>>> accountable and we can take it from there.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>>>>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>>>>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>>>>
>>>> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how
>>> it is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented
>>>>> agreed on its removal.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II,
>>>> IV & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
>>>> solution that would benefit the FC
>>>>
>>>
>>> We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
>>> ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy
>>> should have removed it.
>>>
>>> I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the
>>> operating procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore
>>> guidance and cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you
>>> don't reword nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to
>>> help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>
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From thatomfikwe at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 23:01:54 2018
From: thatomfikwe at gmail.com (Thato Mfikwe)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 22:01:54 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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Hi all,

Thanks for all these comments, they bring a clear picture on issues
surrounding the FC, I therefore propose for purposes of avoiding back and
forth arguments on what we need to do, that we:
1. Create a google form that will be shared with the community containing
all OP draft and NCSG charter questions that we still don''t have consensus
on (open for 7 day after completion of the comment process by the community
but before submission to the EC)
2. We need to have a way forward regarding areas where 2 or more member
agree, we need to also express the minority views in our draft. Below is
some of the areas where there is some consensus within the FC, although the
community sometimes things otherwise:

a. FC performing accounting and auditing functions (Thato and Remmy agree, so
this must be contained in the OP but any opposing views should be noted.

b. 40/40/20 formula for disbursement of funds (declined by 2 members, Thato
and Farzaneh of the FC, with suggestion for the use of application
processes, criteria still needs to be set for this).

c. Management of constituency finances, is opposed by Farzaneh and Thato but
Thato proposes that there should be some level of monitoring through
periodic reports. NCSG financial management and monitoring responsibility
should be clearly stated on the Draft OP.

d. Necessity of FC members to attend the F2F ICANN meetings, 2 members of
the FC agree on this (Remmy and Thato), other opposing views must be noted
on the draft OP.
*It is a concern that there are members within the FC who still hold a
strong view that the FC should not be supported to attend ICANN meeting and
that attending these meetings cannot assist the FC to meet its obligations
and execute its responsibilities, especially given the preliminary stage of
development stage of this committee and the tasks that still need to be
attended in the interim. Although the Charter clearly states that the FC
can attend meeting, of course meetings are not attended for the sake of
attending, there needs to be predetermined plans and objectives. *

e. Accountability measures of the FC, I will initiate something around
that. *@Remmy is response to your question, Bruna and NCUC chair supported
the idea of the FC being supported to attend the onsite meetings and
emphasizing that the Charter allows this, I hope this is clear.*

f. SPV, comments were made to remove certain sections, particularly II and
IV with proposal to reword # V to suit comments (the difference is that
Farzaneh wants the whole section removed and Remmy is willing to reword the
section but not sure if he is willing to accept removal of proposed
sections).

If we can do these critical amendments listed above, we will be a step
closer to resolving OP draft comments and get ready for various meetings
with drafters as proposed, community outreach and stakeholder/funder
engagement. After the comment process we can run a Google form survey on
sections that still need consensus or additional input or comments. Will
ask Maryam to set up a Doodle for a meeting sometime this week.

@Farzaneh. let's have a bit more patience with each other, once this
process is done with, we wont have to revisit these issues for a long time.
Everyone has made valuable contributions to this process thus far, we just
left with less than 2 months to complete this comment process.
Refusing to contribute to activities for whatever reasons related to
difficulty in getting along with views and diversity that comes with being
in a diverse committee is not acceptable unless if one is incapacitated to
do deliver on the task at hand, I don't think anyone is having a pleasure
in any of these disagreement but what is essential is taking the FC
forward.
I agree, that criticism should be expected but not from fellow FC members
but from the community itself, to state in response of a message to a FC
member that "you have to repeat yourself over and over again" on a
community mailing list is demeaning to the character of the FC.

Regarding the drafters of the Charter, I do not have a problem with having
a meeting with them, but I do not see anything changing unless if they
decide to change the Charter for reasons that should be disclosed and due
processes should be followed to do this. @Remmy, I ask that we hold a
meeting with them and hear their interpretation of the Charter.

Personally, I am against the change of the Charter (section 26) in order to
protect or suit needs to few people who cannot justify their reasons why it
should be changed, furthermore seems like this Charter issues were not
raised in the past which creates questions around motives for .emerging
questioning of clauses and responsibilities that relate to the FC.

@Farzaneh, can you in the meantime list specific issues that you thunk need
attention during the said meeting, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:33 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I only took into account the comments made on the Google doc for now. You
> can share the questions and see what others think. Fc members are appointed
> to this positions.
>
> I can't unfortunately work anymore on the document.The penholder should
> not be so attached to the original language he provided. Despite being even
> disagreed with by two fc members, this keeps happening.  I provided
> alternatives for the loaded word of SPV (made a typo in previous email,
> mistakes happen) it should be removed and I provided reasons and it was
> supported.
>
> Let's have a meeting. But if we are going to argue over the same things
> that I have argued over multiple times provided reasonings and provided
> alternative language and it was put up for public comment and again members
> on Google doc agreed,  then I'm afraid even a meeting won't be fruitful.
> Unless there are new solutions by other FC members. Also I am concerned
> that other FC member refrain  from inviting those involved with drafting
> ncsg charter to being their rational and opinions.
>
> Dont forget that NCSG EC has to review the operating procedures. If
> anything goes against the charter now or not clear, then EC might not
> approve it.Please don't frame this as a threat as you did in previous
> communications, I did try to help, and spent a lot of time on this so
> doesn't mean I have not been cooperative or not wanting FC to succeed, it
> doesn't matter who would be chair in the future, EC members will look at
> this document critically.
>
> Another note: if this OP gets approved with no substantive changes, its
> enforcement in the future will see challenges if it is not in line with the
> charter and unreasonable. I am trying to help. My efforts might be framed
> as blo.cking progress. But I have had to experience with drafting multiple
> ops and I have no skin in the game And want  things go smoothly. You can
> either choose to look at alternatives and another lens, or just emphasize
> your previous positions.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:56 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Farzaneh and happy Sunday to us all.
>>
>> Thanks again for your responses.
>>
>> In finance or financial report, and based on the Charter specification,
>> financial reporting/statement does not preclude any particular income but
>> inclusive. So, whether ICANN reported on it from point of expenditures,
>> there is nothing to show that from the NCSG end or financial books that the
>> funds or income were judiciously used according to ICANN books and that is
>> why simple statement is required to state NCSG position among other
>> inflows/income and expenditures.
>>
>> Audit does not mean two things in Finance or Accounting but simple
>> examination of the books, ask relevant questions and get clarifications
>> where necessary. Its not a judgement desk, just in fulfillment of  a
>> process inline with guidelines. No one should be intimidated by word
>> "audit".
>> Our current leaders may be doing well now but how do you ensure checks
>> and balances of the books of accounts.
>>
>> 2. Joan was not the only one, Renata also did, are you now saying they
>> are not members of NCSG because they are chair of Cs today among others?
>>
>> 3. The truth is that Charter interpretation is good but does not require
>> drafters to do so. And why I rejected that idea is that the current
>> responsibility as far as the Charter is concerned including near right
>> interpretation and implimentation of right decisions does not require
>> drafters engagement and as far as I am concerned is belittling to say the
>> least.
>> At least it was not written in some foreign language but English and I am
>> sure we all understand English well enough to interprete it.
>>
>> What I think we should do is to have a meeting, discuss any session, and
>> vote on them and move on.
>>  Whatever is the outcome should bind us all and case closed including the
>> sharing formula, which was what I suggested abni tio.
>>
>> 5. I did not want to reword it as I thought we should discuss it first
>> and stated so in my submission before it was shared for comments, which was
>> also what I canvassed we do before sharing but you refused and now instead
>> of us discussing it by taking our broader understanding and comments into
>> consideration where relevant, you removed it.
>>
>> What options do you offer to answer the questions I raised than just
>> removing those contentious sessions?
>>
>> It can be reworded based on the agreed terms by FC eventually since the
>> terms I proposed was not ok by you and few of our colleagues.of which I
>> have given an idea how to go about it.
>>
>> Points of note here is the (1) sharing formula and then (2) method; be
>> fund shared to Cs as fund come or do Cs apply. Non of these were discussed
>> as suggested and that is why are here going forth and back.
>>
>> 6. I also know in some of my other lives, we have used SPV - Special
>> Purpose Vehicle, and not SVP, probably you meant a different thing which I
>> am not aware of; and it worked well for the multi-group. If you have
>> alternative, can we have it, simple, not mere saying its complicated. now
>> it has legal means. Does anyone expect FC to do somethings that are not
>> legal? Like I noted, once we agree on way forward, it could be reworded,
>> its one of the puzzles we intend solve maybe with ICANN legal, may be since
>> we cant have session to hear from ICANN legal and community, we can discuss
>> it via FC meeting focusing on alternate options with ICANN legal in
>> attendance.
>>
>> I have said this before FC functions are tripod assignment (Financial
>> secretary, Treasurer and auditing).
>>
>> You have the mandate to call for review of charter all things equal.
>>
>>
>> I really dont take note of accusations, they are bound to come, the only
>> thing is ensure you have a good and clean slate. Thanks for reminding us to
>> take criticism. I am sure we are do so madam chair with your support. I see
>> it as feedback.
>>
>>
>> Like I said earlier, sending it to list, does not solve bulk of the
>> problems. The bulk stops with the FC, except if I did not understand the
>> Charter well. Whatever is done under FC, its members/leaders take
>> responsibility including accollades and knocks.
>>
>>
>> I hope you understand me better now.
>>
>> Best of the week
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating
>>>>> procedures (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed
>>>>> financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for
>>>>> organizations within the ICANN structure."
>>>>>
>>>>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. .
>>>>> What does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an
>>>>> "audit" function and what would that function entail?
>>>>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does
>>>>> not have an audit function]
>>>>>
>>>> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
>>>> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
>>>> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
>>>> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
>>>> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
>>>> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
>>>> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
>>>> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now
>>>> mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and
>>>> promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
>>>> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
>>>> stipulations of the Charter*.
>>>> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
>>>> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
>>>> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
>>>> reliability of financial and management reporting.
>>>> The audit process follows 6 phases:
>>>> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities
>>>> of involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information
>>>> and records
>>>> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
>>>> contained in the documents received
>>>> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
>>>> present the audit scope
>>>> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
>>>> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
>>>> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
>>>> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
>>>> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
>>>> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
>>>> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
>>>> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
>>>> management
>>>> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
>>>> implemented
>>>>
>>>
>>> To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up
>>> with the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance.
>>> Without know
>>> ing the
>>> background your interpretation will not be informed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>>>>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out
>>>>> their obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for
>>>>> this purpose?
>>>>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend
>>>>> ICANN meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy
>>>> but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments
>>>> oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please
>>>> carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions
>>>> around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
>>> mean to attend meetings?.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>>>>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>>>>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>>>>
>>>> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective
>>>>> of where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
>>>>> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
>>>>> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
>>>>> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
>>>>> this but necessitates it
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to make
>>> sure we are OK fiscally.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted
>>>>> in the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address
>>>>> this issue?
>>>>>
>>>> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
>>>> accountable and we can take it from there.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>>>>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>>>>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>>>>
>>>> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how
>>> it is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented
>>>>> agreed on its removal.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II,
>>>> IV & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
>>>> solution that would benefit the FC
>>>>
>>>
>>> We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
>>> ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy
>>> should have removed it.
>>>
>>> I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the
>>> operating procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore
>>> guidance and cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you
>>> don't reword nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to
>>> help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
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>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 07:47:34 +0900
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[Observer]

Hi,

as I was among those who made comments on OP, I wanted to react (I am an
observer in this list as former NCSG chair).

1- to make progress on OP, compromise language and edits should be made in
response to comments to find a common ground. I think that is still missing
and efforts should be on that front at least for respect for those who made
effort and reviewed the document. it should be built on what agreed and
having consensus among all FC members.
I would suggest that rewording and new language being proposed having a
consensus of all FC members. if there are several changes, a new document
should be proposed. that should be done before another consultation,
otherwise, others and myself included will question what is the value of
our input if it was ignored in the first round.  So just asking as proposed
now doesn't really help. I don't think people want to do arbitration but
reviewing a document that has consensus among you and reflects previous
comments made by NCSG members.

2- with regard to charter, I believe there is a genuine misinterpretation.
I suggest that set back here. I have feeling that keywords were picked up
but ignoring the text around which gives needed context.
For example, about audit: "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other
prescribed financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors
for organizations within the ICANN structure."
the text indicates that should be done if there are prescribed
requirements? did anyone check the existence of such requirements or
process? my gut feeling is nobody did and my experience with ICANN is that
organization doesn't want to be liable and didn't set any rule for SG/C on
that regard in order to not be responsible. For example, it manages any
support given to SG/C directly in in-kind form i.e. it doesn't give us fund
to book our own travel, same for most of ABRs tightly controlled by staff
and when there are payments ask SG/C to do them first to be reimbursed
later. ICANN org also refused systematically for many years to do banking
for BC regarding the membership dues collection. ICANN org doesn't want to
deal with SG/C finance in any way and try to avoid any implication.

As you can see the same text can read differently and that is why people
legitimately question the current reading that seems stopped before the
rest of the bullet point.

For constituencies monitoring, it seems even more confusing as what charter
mentions regarding constituencies is not directly related to what OP
suggests in details.
I was involved in the charter process but not directly with regard to
drafting. There was context regarding the different sections of charter and
were subject to long negotiations. Discussion with main drafters would help
but literal reading and/or overinterpretation not. Most of those involved
in the discussion didn't suggest any charter amendment, same for the
charter drafters. I think the focus is still on drafting OP.

I believe that some principles should be agreed on before in order to avoid
overengineering this. this is a FC For structure within ICANN, it is not an
NGO or big organization and the OP should reflect that.
that is all for me to give some suggestions.

Best,

Rafik

Le lun. 30 juil. 2018 ? 05:02, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for all these comments, they bring a clear picture on issues
> surrounding the FC, I therefore propose for purposes of avoiding back and
> forth arguments on what we need to do, that we:
> 1. Create a google form that will be shared with the community containing
> all OP draft and NCSG charter questions that we still don''t have consensus
> on (open for 7 day after completion of the comment process by the community
> but before submission to the EC)
> 2. We need to have a way forward regarding areas where 2 or more member
> agree, we need to also express the minority views in our draft. Below is
> some of the areas where there is some consensus within the FC, although the
> community sometimes things otherwise:
>
> a. FC performing accounting and auditing functions (Thato and Remmy agree, so
> this must be contained in the OP but any opposing views should be noted.
>
> b. 40/40/20 formula for disbursement of funds (declined by 2 members,
> Thato and Farzaneh of the FC, with suggestion for the use of application
> processes, criteria still needs to be set for this).
>
> c. Management of constituency finances, is opposed by Farzaneh and Thato but
> Thato proposes that there should be some level of monitoring through
> periodic reports. NCSG financial management and monitoring responsibility
> should be clearly stated on the Draft OP.
>
> d. Necessity of FC members to attend the F2F ICANN meetings, 2 members of
> the FC agree on this (Remmy and Thato), other opposing views must be
> noted on the draft OP.
> *It is a concern that there are members within the FC who still hold a
> strong view that the FC should not be supported to attend ICANN meeting and
> that attending these meetings cannot assist the FC to meet its obligations
> and execute its responsibilities, especially given the preliminary stage of
> development stage of this committee and the tasks that still need to be
> attended in the interim. Although the Charter clearly states that the FC
> can attend meeting, of course meetings are not attended for the sake of
> attending, there needs to be predetermined plans and objectives. *
>
> e. Accountability measures of the FC, I will initiate something around
> that. *@Remmy is response to your question, Bruna and NCUC chair
> supported the idea of the FC being supported to attend the onsite meetings
> and emphasizing that the Charter allows this, I hope this is clear.*
>
> f. SPV, comments were made to remove certain sections, particularly II and
> IV with proposal to reword # V to suit comments (the difference is that
> Farzaneh wants the whole section removed and Remmy is willing to reword the
> section but not sure if he is willing to accept removal of proposed
> sections).
>
> If we can do these critical amendments listed above, we will be a step
> closer to resolving OP draft comments and get ready for various meetings
> with drafters as proposed, community outreach and stakeholder/funder
> engagement. After the comment process we can run a Google form survey on
> sections that still need consensus or additional input or comments. Will
> ask Maryam to set up a Doodle for a meeting sometime this week.
>
> @Farzaneh. let's have a bit more patience with each other, once this
> process is done with, we wont have to revisit these issues for a long time.
> Everyone has made valuable contributions to this process thus far, we just
> left with less than 2 months to complete this comment process.
> Refusing to contribute to activities for whatever reasons related to
> difficulty in getting along with views and diversity that comes with being
> in a diverse committee is not acceptable unless if one is incapacitated to
> do deliver on the task at hand, I don't think anyone is having a pleasure
> in any of these disagreement but what is essential is taking the FC
> forward.
> I agree, that criticism should be expected but not from fellow FC members
> but from the community itself, to state in response of a message to a FC
> member that "you have to repeat yourself over and over again" on a
> community mailing list is demeaning to the character of the FC.
>
> Regarding the drafters of the Charter, I do not have a problem with having
> a meeting with them, but I do not see anything changing unless if they
> decide to change the Charter for reasons that should be disclosed and due
> processes should be followed to do this. @Remmy, I ask that we hold a
> meeting with them and hear their interpretation of the Charter.
>
> Personally, I am against the change of the Charter (section 26) in order
> to protect or suit needs to few people who cannot justify their reasons why
> it should be changed, furthermore seems like this Charter issues were not
> raised in the past which creates questions around motives for .emerging
> questioning of clauses and responsibilities that relate to the FC.
>
> @Farzaneh, can you in the meantime list specific issues that you thunk
> need attention during the said meeting, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:33 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I only took into account the comments made on the Google doc for now. You
>> can share the questions and see what others think. Fc members are appointed
>> to this positions.
>>
>> I can't unfortunately work anymore on the document.The penholder should
>> not be so attached to the original language he provided. Despite being even
>> disagreed with by two fc members, this keeps happening.  I provided
>> alternatives for the loaded word of SPV (made a typo in previous email,
>> mistakes happen) it should be removed and I provided reasons and it was
>> supported.
>>
>> Let's have a meeting. But if we are going to argue over the same things
>> that I have argued over multiple times provided reasonings and provided
>> alternative language and it was put up for public comment and again members
>> on Google doc agreed,  then I'm afraid even a meeting won't be fruitful.
>> Unless there are new solutions by other FC members. Also I am concerned
>> that other FC member refrain  from inviting those involved with drafting
>> ncsg charter to being their rational and opinions.
>>
>> Dont forget that NCSG EC has to review the operating procedures. If
>> anything goes against the charter now or not clear, then EC might not
>> approve it.Please don't frame this as a threat as you did in previous
>> communications, I did try to help, and spent a lot of time on this so
>> doesn't mean I have not been cooperative or not wanting FC to succeed, it
>> doesn't matter who would be chair in the future, EC members will look at
>> this document critically.
>>
>> Another note: if this OP gets approved with no substantive changes, its
>> enforcement in the future will see challenges if it is not in line with the
>> charter and unreasonable. I am trying to help. My efforts might be framed
>> as blo.cking progress. But I have had to experience with drafting multiple
>> ops and I have no skin in the game And want  things go smoothly. You can
>> either choose to look at alternatives and another lens, or just emphasize
>> your previous positions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:56 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Farzaneh and happy Sunday to us all.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your responses.
>>>
>>> In finance or financial report, and based on the Charter specification,
>>> financial reporting/statement does not preclude any particular income but
>>> inclusive. So, whether ICANN reported on it from point of expenditures,
>>> there is nothing to show that from the NCSG end or financial books that the
>>> funds or income were judiciously used according to ICANN books and that is
>>> why simple statement is required to state NCSG position among other
>>> inflows/income and expenditures.
>>>
>>> Audit does not mean two things in Finance or Accounting but simple
>>> examination of the books, ask relevant questions and get clarifications
>>> where necessary. Its not a judgement desk, just in fulfillment of  a
>>> process inline with guidelines. No one should be intimidated by word
>>> "audit".
>>> Our current leaders may be doing well now but how do you ensure checks
>>> and balances of the books of accounts.
>>>
>>> 2. Joan was not the only one, Renata also did, are you now saying they
>>> are not members of NCSG because they are chair of Cs today among others?
>>>
>>> 3. The truth is that Charter interpretation is good but does not require
>>> drafters to do so. And why I rejected that idea is that the current
>>> responsibility as far as the Charter is concerned including near right
>>> interpretation and implimentation of right decisions does not require
>>> drafters engagement and as far as I am concerned is belittling to say the
>>> least.
>>> At least it was not written in some foreign language but English and I
>>> am sure we all understand English well enough to interprete it.
>>>
>>> What I think we should do is to have a meeting, discuss any session, and
>>> vote on them and move on.
>>>  Whatever is the outcome should bind us all and case closed including
>>> the sharing formula, which was what I suggested abni tio.
>>>
>>> 5. I did not want to reword it as I thought we should discuss it first
>>> and stated so in my submission before it was shared for comments, which was
>>> also what I canvassed we do before sharing but you refused and now instead
>>> of us discussing it by taking our broader understanding and comments into
>>> consideration where relevant, you removed it.
>>>
>>> What options do you offer to answer the questions I raised than just
>>> removing those contentious sessions?
>>>
>>> It can be reworded based on the agreed terms by FC eventually since the
>>> terms I proposed was not ok by you and few of our colleagues.of which I
>>> have given an idea how to go about it.
>>>
>>> Points of note here is the (1) sharing formula and then (2) method; be
>>> fund shared to Cs as fund come or do Cs apply. Non of these were discussed
>>> as suggested and that is why are here going forth and back.
>>>
>>> 6. I also know in some of my other lives, we have used SPV - Special
>>> Purpose Vehicle, and not SVP, probably you meant a different thing which I
>>> am not aware of; and it worked well for the multi-group. If you have
>>> alternative, can we have it, simple, not mere saying its complicated. now
>>> it has legal means. Does anyone expect FC to do somethings that are not
>>> legal? Like I noted, once we agree on way forward, it could be reworded,
>>> its one of the puzzles we intend solve maybe with ICANN legal, may be since
>>> we cant have session to hear from ICANN legal and community, we can discuss
>>> it via FC meeting focusing on alternate options with ICANN legal in
>>> attendance.
>>>
>>> I have said this before FC functions are tripod assignment (Financial
>>> secretary, Treasurer and auditing).
>>>
>>> You have the mandate to call for review of charter all things equal.
>>>
>>>
>>> I really dont take note of accusations, they are bound to come, the only
>>> thing is ensure you have a good and clean slate. Thanks for reminding us to
>>> take criticism. I am sure we are do so madam chair with your support. I see
>>> it as feedback.
>>>
>>>
>>> Like I said earlier, sending it to list, does not solve bulk of the
>>> problems. The bulk stops with the FC, except if I did not understand the
>>> Charter well. Whatever is done under FC, its members/leaders take
>>> responsibility including accollades and knocks.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you understand me better now.
>>>
>>> Best of the week
>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Farzii,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating
>>>>>> procedures (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed
>>>>>> financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for
>>>>>> organizations within the ICANN structure."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. .
>>>>>> What does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an
>>>>>> "audit" function and what would that function entail?
>>>>>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does
>>>>>> not have an audit function]
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
>>>>> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
>>>>> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
>>>>> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
>>>>> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
>>>>> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
>>>>> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
>>>>> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it
>>>>> now mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do
>>>>> and promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
>>>>> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
>>>>> stipulations of the Charter*.
>>>>> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
>>>>> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
>>>>> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
>>>>> reliability of financial and management reporting.
>>>>> The audit process follows 6 phases:
>>>>> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities
>>>>> of involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information
>>>>> and records
>>>>> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
>>>>> contained in the documents received
>>>>> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
>>>>> present the audit scope
>>>>> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
>>>>> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
>>>>> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
>>>>> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
>>>>> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
>>>>> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
>>>>> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
>>>>> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response
>>>>> from management
>>>>> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
>>>>> implemented
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up
>>>> with the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance.
>>>> Without know
>>>> ing the
>>>> background your interpretation will not be informed.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>>>>>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out
>>>>>> their obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for
>>>>>> this purpose?
>>>>>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend
>>>>>> ICANN meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only
>>>>> Remmy but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all
>>>>> comments oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings,
>>>>> please carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their
>>>>> opinions around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
>>>> mean to attend meetings?.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>>>>>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>>>>>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>>>>>
>>>>> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC
>>>>>> irrespective of where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable
>>>>>> allocation of allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not
>>>>>> have access to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot
>>>>>> manage but there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does
>>>>>> not require this but necessitates it
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to
>>>> make sure we are OK fiscally.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted
>>>>>> in the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address
>>>>>> this issue?
>>>>>>
>>>>> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
>>>>> accountable and we can take it from there.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>>>>>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>>>>>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how
>>>> it is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented
>>>>>> agreed on its removal.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point
>>>>> II, IV & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
>>>>> solution that would benefit the FC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
>>>> ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy
>>>> should have removed it.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the
>>>> operating procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore
>>>> guidance and cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you
>>>> don't reword nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:42:01 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Questions and comments/current state of the FC OP
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 5:33 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Farzaneh,
*Please my response is inline.*

I only took into account the comments made on the Google doc for now. You
> can share the questions and see what others think. Fc members are appointed
> to this positions.
>
*I did not understand what is meant on "Fc members are appointed to this
positions." Was this in dispute in any part of OP.*

>
> I can't unfortunately work anymore on the document.The penholder should
> not be so attached to the original language he provided.
>
*Point of correction Farzaneh, I hold NO attachment whatsoever to any part
of the OP as initial penholder, before you were asked to take over which I
hold no objection to. I am only insisting we meet and agree on the ones we
can, vote on the ones we can't agree on and move on. Not you removing and
adding at will.*

*What you are talking now I understand, is that you are now ok for a
meeting, which was what I suggested abnitio but was rejected by you. Thank
God you now see reason for the meeting. The truth is that if we had had
that meeting most of the contentious items should have been resolved while
we have enough time to accommodate new ideas if they come.*

Despite being even disagreed with by two fc members, this keeps happening.
> I provided alternatives for the loaded word of SPV (made a typo in previous
> email, mistakes happen) it should be removed and I provided reasons and it
> was supported.
>
When you say you provided reasons of alleged "complications" and "legality"
are these the alternatives? I am yet to see them please, a pointer.

>
> Let's have a meeting.
>
*Thanks for agreeing now. Over to you Thato, Mr. Chairman.*

But if we are going to argue over the same things that I have argued over
> multiple times provided reasonings and provided alternative language and it
> was put up for public comment and again members on Google doc agreed,  then
> I'm afraid even a meeting won't be fruitful. Unless there are new solutions
> by other FC members.
>
*Frankly if you had agreed to the meeting after our first FC comments, we
should have jumped or gone beyond this forth and back emails. So don't
blame anyone. Every organisation have their ways of achieving resolution in
spite of different opinions and that was my anticipation to save us time
but was not heeded before now. Thanks too it's not too late.*

Also I am concerned that other FC member refrain  from inviting those
> involved with drafting ncsg charter to being their rational and opinions.
>
*I have always objected to that even if others are not commenting. The
rationale is distructive and does not show the current leadership both at
FC or larger NCSG as capable of delivering or taking decision. And as it
was in 2011 and now in 2018 can never be same 7 years after. On less you
are suggesting 'judges' should wake up constitution drafters before making
a decision on a case? It does not hold waters but belittling.*

>
> Dont forget that NCSG EC has to review the operating procedures. If
> anything goes against the charter now or not clear, then EC might not
> approve it.
>
*Yes, we know EC has that powers, except if that is an inclination it may
not be positively received because you are not disposed to it; and as such
sounds like a threat. It is already because your body language seems to say
that anything you don't agree on will not pass EC. Not sure that is a more
healthier way of forewarning a committee if you don't agree with me, forget
it. We must learn to place whether FC or NCSG-EC above us, because some
day, we shall not be there again, so its better to build strong
institutions than strong individuals. I will actually like to see how EC
votes on the OP eventually.*

Please don't frame this as a threat as you did in previous communications,
I did try to help, and spent a lot of time on this so doesn't mean I have
not been cooperative or not wanting FC to succeed, it doesn't matter who
would be chair in the future, EC members will look at this document
critically.

>
> Another note: if this OP gets approved with no substantive changes, its
> enforcement in the future will see challenges if it is not in line with the
> charter and unreasonable.
>
*What kind of challenges are you foreseeing please. Don't mind if you share
with us, because we intend to make things better than we met it and this
claim negates that. Please share with us those fears. Take for instance, on
SPV, normally is backed by Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to ensure its
not breached and backed with a structure. If we leave the finance with one
group and change leadership tomorrow and they refuse to release the funds,
there is no remedy for that in the Charter, so a priviso has to be made to
give every party assurances and enabling sense of belonging.*


> I am trying to help. My efforts might be framed as blo.cking progress. But
> I have had to experience with drafting multiple ops and I have no skin in
> the game And want  things go smoothly. You can either choose to look at
> alternatives and another lens, or just emphasize your previous positions.
>
> *Dear Farzaneh, I am definitely with you so also every FC member on this
> one to make things go smoothly. Please provide the alternatives and we can
> look at them critically as suggested with hope of building a strong
> institution than strong individuals in mind. Thanks.*
>
Best of the day to us all
Remmy

>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:56 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Farzaneh and happy Sunday to us all.
>>
>> Thanks again for your responses.
>>
>> In finance or financial report, and based on the Charter specification,
>> financial reporting/statement does not preclude any particular income but
>> inclusive. So, whether ICANN reported on it from point of expenditures,
>> there is nothing to show that from the NCSG end or financial books that the
>> funds or income were judiciously used according to ICANN books and that is
>> why simple statement is required to state NCSG position among other
>> inflows/income and expenditures.
>>
>> Audit does not mean two things in Finance or Accounting but simple
>> examination of the books, ask relevant questions and get clarifications
>> where necessary. Its not a judgement desk, just in fulfillment of  a
>> process inline with guidelines. No one should be intimidated by word
>> "audit".
>> Our current leaders may be doing well now but how do you ensure checks
>> and balances of the books of accounts.
>>
>> 2. Joan was not the only one, Renata also did, are you now saying they
>> are not members of NCSG because they are chair of Cs today among others?
>>
>> 3. The truth is that Charter interpretation is good but does not require
>> drafters to do so. And why I rejected that idea is that the current
>> responsibility as far as the Charter is concerned including near right
>> interpretation and implimentation of right decisions does not require
>> drafters engagement and as far as I am concerned is belittling to say the
>> least.
>> At least it was not written in some foreign language but English and I am
>> sure we all understand English well enough to interprete it.
>>
>> What I think we should do is to have a meeting, discuss any session, and
>> vote on them and move on.
>>  Whatever is the outcome should bind us all and case closed including the
>> sharing formula, which was what I suggested abni tio.
>>
>> 5. I did not want to reword it as I thought we should discuss it first
>> and stated so in my submission before it was shared for comments, which was
>> also what I canvassed we do before sharing but you refused and now instead
>> of us discussing it by taking our broader understanding and comments into
>> consideration where relevant, you removed it.
>>
>> What options do you offer to answer the questions I raised than just
>> removing those contentious sessions?
>>
>> It can be reworded based on the agreed terms by FC eventually since the
>> terms I proposed was not ok by you and few of our colleagues.of which I
>> have given an idea how to go about it.
>>
>> Points of note here is the (1) sharing formula and then (2) method; be
>> fund shared to Cs as fund come or do Cs apply. Non of these were discussed
>> as suggested and that is why are here going forth and back.
>>
>> 6. I also know in some of my other lives, we have used SPV - Special
>> Purpose Vehicle, and not SVP, probably you meant a different thing which I
>> am not aware of; and it worked well for the multi-group. If you have
>> alternative, can we have it, simple, not mere saying its complicated. now
>> it has legal means. Does anyone expect FC to do somethings that are not
>> legal? Like I noted, once we agree on way forward, it could be reworded,
>> its one of the puzzles we intend solve maybe with ICANN legal, may be since
>> we cant have session to hear from ICANN legal and community, we can discuss
>> it via FC meeting focusing on alternate options with ICANN legal in
>> attendance.
>>
>> I have said this before FC functions are tripod assignment (Financial
>> secretary, Treasurer and auditing).
>>
>> You have the mandate to call for review of charter all things equal.
>>
>>
>> I really dont take note of accusations, they are bound to come, the only
>> thing is ensure you have a good and clean slate. Thanks for reminding us to
>> take criticism. I am sure we are do so madam chair with your support. I see
>> it as feedback.
>>
>>
>> Like I said earlier, sending it to list, does not solve bulk of the
>> problems. The bulk stops with the FC, except if I did not understand the
>> Charter well. Whatever is done under FC, its members/leaders take
>> responsibility including accollades and knocks.
>>
>>
>> I hope you understand me better now.
>>
>> Best of the week
>> Remmy Nweke
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzii,
>>>>
>>>> Please see my responses below in line, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These are the major points of discussion on FC draft operating
>>>>> procedures (I might have missed something, so it's not an exhaustive list)
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.The charter states that FC should:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed
>>>>> financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for
>>>>> organizations within the ICANN structure."
>>>>>
>>>>> There are different interpretations of the "audit" function of FC. .
>>>>> What does the word "audit" mean in the charter? Should NCSG FC have an
>>>>> "audit" function and what would that function entail?
>>>>> [those who have commented on the document believed that NCSG  FC does
>>>>> not have an audit function]
>>>>>
>>>> I think the question should be ""what does audit entail?", because the
>>>> drafters of the Charter knew what the term implied, so the generally
>>>> accepted definition of auditing is, the process investigating, verifying
>>>> and scrutinizing financial records to ensure that transactions of an entity
>>>> are recorded and financial records are accurate and in accordance with
>>>> applicable rules and regulations, in this case ICANN financial
>>>> requirements. The FC should be able to appoint and external auditor.
>>>> I*f members think the FC should not do the audit function, does it now
>>>> mean the Charter must change? For me, I would sat the FC needs to do and
>>>> promote the right thing irrespective of unjustified opposition or
>>>> uninformed opinions because it seems like opposing comments are challenging
>>>> stipulations of the Charter*.
>>>> Internal auditing on the other side help the organisation achieve its
>>>> objectives and is concerned with evaluating and improving effectiveness of
>>>> risk management, risk control and governance processes, and ensures
>>>> reliability of financial and management reporting.
>>>> The audit process follows 6 phases:
>>>> 1. Agreement on term of engagement - articulation of responsibilities
>>>> of involved parties and the objective of the audit, access to information
>>>> and records
>>>> 2. Preparing an audit plan - planning the audit based on information
>>>> contained in the documents received
>>>> 3. Scheduling an open meeting - with management and key admin staff to
>>>> present the audit scope
>>>> 4. Fieldwork - taking information from the open meeting to finalize an
>>>> audit plan. Field work includes but is not limited to, review of procedures
>>>> and adequacy of internal controls, checking compliance with procedures and
>>>> policies and discussing problem with the organisation as they arise.
>>>> 5. Drafting a report - a detailed report of findings of the audit with
>>>> errors, posting problems, authorized but not yet paid expenses and other
>>>> discrepancies This report must also have recommendations
>>>> 6. Closing meeting - discussion of the report, soliciting response from
>>>> management
>>>> 7. Following up with management to check if recommendations made were
>>>> implemented
>>>>
>>>
>>> To prevent uninformed decisions you need to include those who came up
>>> with the idea of having an FC and interpret it by getting much guidance.
>>> Without know
>>> ing the
>>> background your interpretation will not be informed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. The necessity of FC members to Attend ICANN meetings in person
>>>>> Do FC members have to attend ICANN meetings to be able to carry out
>>>>> their obligations? i.e. should a travel budget be allocated to them for
>>>>> this purpose?
>>>>> [Members who commented do not think that FC should have to attend
>>>>> ICANN meetings in person, Remmy disagrees on the doc]
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzii, I also think that the FC should be supported, not only Remmy
>>>> but also NCUC chair and Bruna. Also bear in mind that not all comments
>>>> oppose the FC from being supported to attend ICANN meetings, please
>>>> carefully go through the OP comments as some people, change their opinions
>>>> around the subject in different sections of the OP.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know what you mean by ncuc chair and Bruna being supported. You
>>> mean to attend meetings?.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Should FC provide oversight management/monitoring of its
>>>>> constituencies and propose a budget for its constituencies? [members who
>>>>> commented think not and that it's outside of its remit]
>>>>>
>>>> Any monies that belongs to NCSG  will be managed by the FC irrespective
>>>>> of where it is kept and secondly how will fair and equitable allocation of
>>>>> allocation to constituencies be determined if the FC does not have access
>>>>> to constituency financial records or reports. The FC cannot manage but
>>>>> there needs to be some level of monitoring, as the Charter does not require
>>>>> this but necessitates it
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes only NCSG money. And finance committee will be involved only to make
>>> sure we are OK fiscally.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Members raised: There should be accountability measures predicted
>>>>> in the charter for the finance committee. What are our plans to address
>>>>> this issue?
>>>>>
>>>> We can take it back to them, find out how they want to hold the FC
>>>> accountable and we can take it from there.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Allocation of funds. based on Remmy's suggestion of
>>>>> 40%NCUC-40%NPOC-20%FC was not received well by those who commented, so I
>>>>> removed it and added the previous language I had suggested.
>>>>>
>>>> The application process that still needs a criteria is more suitable
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes and EC can come up with it. FC only monitors it with regards to how
>>> it is allocated fiscally. No substantive supervision
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 6. SVP is a complicated term, I removed it, members who commented
>>>>> agreed on its removal.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with this removal but there were few sections (remove point II,
>>>> IV & edit of #V), I commented on V on the OP draft with an alternative
>>>> solution that would benefit the FC
>>>>
>>>
>>> We agreed before the drafting was shared with mailing l
>>> ist on this, don't know why it's kept in the document. I think Remmy
>>> should have removed it.
>>>
>>> I was trying to help. But if the FC members want to insist on the
>>> operating procedures as they are, unfortunately I cannot provide anymore
>>> guidance and cannot repeat myself so many times. If you don't agree, you
>>> don't reword nor come up with another suggestion, I will not be able to
>>> help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-FC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>>>>>
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>>>> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
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>>>>
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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Mon Jul 30 19:15:50 2018
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:15:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAMc__oqX8k+=YPQ2SMzLzHVSEWHnqio087uxzDxkDTogpXn1Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>
 <CAMc__oqX8k+=YPQ2SMzLzHVSEWHnqio087uxzDxkDTogpXn1Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7122143D-CD21-492E-99C0-878290EBAF97@icann.org>

Dear Remmy,

Thank you for your email.

A list of all ABR requests and explanations are contained in this link: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/74584754/FY19%20AddBudReq%20Explanations%20-%20FINAL-%20Per%20Category%20-%2026%20APRIL%202018.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1527867250000&api=v2

I hope that helps.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
Reply-To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Date: Friday, 27 July 2018 at 20:50
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019

Hi Maryam
Thanks for sharing update on ABR.

Can we get any explanation on why none was approved for NPOC for FY19.

Thanks
Remmy Nweke

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 2:00 pm Maryam Bakoshi, <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Thato, all,

I have uploaded the Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019 to the wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_TIZHBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=LWdUbuViuur_ko1yqs2r8V-LO0jQ3Pnw8fdCLS4RFtk&e=>

The FY19 ABR Process Overview can be found at: https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY19+Process+Overview [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_projfinadhocws_FY19-2BProcess-2BOverview&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=4GBmICbMYOJVB4KIrDNFfaIgnQd6r98zESCgfrOhxqU&e=>

You will find the approved ABR?s for FY19 below:

NCSG: https://community.icann.org/x/BS0FBQ [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_BS0FBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=6MiAH3OFtRRBpmggcZU4yVWMY8jecDkQkIPdmrJZykc&e=>, I also linked the original request for ease of reference

NCUC: https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_zodHBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=nw7KesOSx9g_LflitqA08jzsU0wu0odmnd3bl9nsH7E&e=>

None was approved for NPOC in FY19

I hope this helps.

--
Many thanks,

Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777


From: NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>> on behalf of Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com<mailto:thatomfikwe at gmail.com>>
Reply-To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>>
Date: Wednesday, 25 July 2018 at 16:43
To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>>
Subject: [Ext] [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019

Hi all,

Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will strengthen the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid presentation on planned activities of the NCSG FC.

Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget Requests work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the comment process of the OP by the community, especially relating to accounting, oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.

It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.


Thato Mfikwe.
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 03:10:23 2018
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 01:10:23 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
 2019
In-Reply-To: <7122143D-CD21-492E-99C0-878290EBAF97@icann.org>
References: <CAGZi7Nvw2Dz7C16ifbeo0WXdX8euKznVo0-6zhFTWET_zupNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1450D94D-8A55-46D5-842C-09E913B85B24@icann.org>
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 <7122143D-CD21-492E-99C0-878290EBAF97@icann.org>
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Yes, of course, thanks, very useful

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:15 PM Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear Remmy,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
>
>
> A list of all ABR requests and explanations are contained in this link:
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/74584754/FY19%20AddBudReq%20Explanations%20-%20FINAL-%20Per%20Category%20-%2026%20APRIL%202018.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1527867250000&api=v2
>
>
>
> I hope that helps.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Remmy Nweke <
> remmyn at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Date: *Friday, 27 July 2018 at 20:50
> *To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018
> & 2019
>
>
>
> Hi Maryam
>
> Thanks for sharing update on ABR.
>
>
>
> Can we get any explanation on why none was approved for NPOC for FY19.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Remmy Nweke
>
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 2:00 pm Maryam Bakoshi, <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Thato, all,
>
>
>
> I have uploaded the Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 & 2019 to
> the wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/TIZHBQ [community.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_TIZHBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=LWdUbuViuur_ko1yqs2r8V-LO0jQ3Pnw8fdCLS4RFtk&e=>
>   The FY19 ABR Process Overview can be found at: https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/FY19+Process+Overview
> [community.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_projfinadhocws_FY19-2BProcess-2BOverview&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=4GBmICbMYOJVB4KIrDNFfaIgnQd6r98zESCgfrOhxqU&e=>
>   You will find the approved ABR?s for FY19 below:   NCSG: https://community.icann.org/x/BS0FBQ
> [community.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_BS0FBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=6MiAH3OFtRRBpmggcZU4yVWMY8jecDkQkIPdmrJZykc&e=>,
> I also linked the original request for ease of reference   NCUC: https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ
> [community.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_zodHBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=HVJa1DbwPwY9RCa9L4eqmK9BZcHY6XR3lmEbbtLgkzo&s=nw7KesOSx9g_LflitqA08jzsU0wu0odmnd3bl9nsH7E&e=>
>   None was approved for NPOC in FY19
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-FC <ncsg-fc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Thato Mfikwe
> <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 25 July 2018 at 16:43
> *To: *NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] [NCSG-FC] Draft FC Action plan and ABR analysis 2018 &
> 2019
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Please find the attached document analysing 2018 and 2019 ABR's with
> proposed activities of the FC. Please kindly make input that will
> strengthen the document so that in ICANN 63, we can have a solid
> presentation on planned activities of the NCSG FC.
>
>
>
> Please kindly also provide direction or link on how Special Budget
> Requests work. Other aspects of the action plan will be included after the
> comment process of the OP by the community, especially relating to
> accounting, oversight and auditing related processes and mandates.
>
>
>
> It would also be helpful to know which requests have been obtained so that
> we can follow up on outstanding ABR's, thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc [lists.ncsg.is]
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