From egmorris1 at toast.net Tue Jun 20 15:02:57 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:02:57 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Agenda Message-ID: <6d8e952e602245ffa7c7d0b2d6e94cf0@toast.net> Attached please find the agenda for the next meeting of the NCSG Finance Committee, to be held at 13:00 UTC on Tuesday 20 June 2017. Kind Regards, Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NCSG Finance Committee Agenda.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 56472 bytes Desc: not available URL: From egmorris1 at toast.net Wed Jun 21 14:41:27 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:41:27 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action Items Message-ID: Attached please find a list of action items from the NCSG FC call of 20 June 2017. 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FC members: Please indicate approval of this list or request corrections / deletions/ additions within 48 hours of this posting. Thank You, Edward Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ACTION ITEMS FROM THE NCSG FINANCE COMMITTEE CALL OF 20 JUNE 2017.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 94649 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lanfran at yorku.ca Wed Jun 21 14:52:57 2017 From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:52:57 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Updated Action item list In-Reply-To: <50c8e886f1794df6bac1aa5ad6efdfa9@toast.net> References: <50c8e886f1794df6bac1aa5ad6efdfa9@toast.net> Message-ID: <996ff4e8-08f4-90f1-1a2a-2b0cba553976@yorku.ca> Ed, Sorry I am behind on this. Local issues have me completely tied down and a wet spring means that it is so wet that some of my fields (that should have soy beans planted) have carp swimming around in them. The tractor doesn't float, but the soy seeds do, so no planting there. I hope I will be less burdened by the end of the summer. Sam On 6/21/2017 7:47 AM, Edward Morris wrote: > Attached please find a revised list of action items from the NCSG FC > call of 20 June 2017. Apologies for the earlier incomplete transmission. > FC members: Please indicate approval of this list or request > corrections / deletions/ additions within 48 hours of this posting. > Thank You, > Edward Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind Regards, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "Sam Lanfranco" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:05 PM To: egmorris1 at toast.net, "NCSG Finance Committee" Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Updated Action item list Ed, Sorry I am behind on this. Local issues have me completely tied down and a wet spring means that it is so wet that some of my fields (that should have soy beans planted) have carp swimming around in them. The tractor doesn't float, but the soy seeds do, so no planting there. I hope I will be less burdened by the end of the summer. Sam On 6/21/2017 7:47 AM, Edward Morris wrote: Attached please find a revised list of action items from the NCSG FC call of 20 June 2017. Apologies for the earlier incomplete transmission. FC members: Please indicate approval of this list or request corrections / deletions/ additions within 48 hours of this posting. Thank You, Edward Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at lanfranco.net Wed Jun 21 16:20:45 2017 From: sam at lanfranco.net (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:20:45 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Lanfranco Comments: Action items from the NCSG Finance Committee Call of 20 June 2017 In-Reply-To: <22352d9a27c04cbdbba9d640a860ecf1@toast.net> References: <22352d9a27c04cbdbba9d640a860ecf1@toast.net> Message-ID: <60d3e605-c690-2fe0-104c-9a387ba2badd@lanfranco.net> Comments submitted by Sam Lanfranco (may be farming when you consult on these) ACTION ITEMS FROM THE NCSG FINANCE COMMITTEE CALL OF 20 JUNE 2017 1. Edward Morris will contact ICANN regarding the noncommercial history project, for which funding approval was granted in the Supplemental Budget requests. (No comment) 2. Edward Morris will obtain more information regarding any assistance ICANN may be able to give regarding banking facilities. It was agreed that while appreciating the willingness of the NCUC to allow use of their banking facility the current situation is not ideal. (FYI: NPOC has set up a Canadian banking facility) 3. Edward Morris will arrange for ICANN to reimburse Avri Doria for expenditures related to the .IS domain name. (Good luck. They still own me $600 for expenses I covered for ICANN (at their request) in Hyderabad. NPOC owes me more as soon as the transfer from the old Belgium account actually works) 4. Tapani Tarvainen will convey to the NCSG Executive Committee (EC) a request from the NCSG Finance Committee (FC) asking for an update as to the EC intentions concerning those aspects of NCSG Charter ?2.4 applicable to the FC, per the 28 April 2017 post to the NCSG EC mailing list by Ms. Robin Gross. (Unaware of details here) 5. Edward Morris will prepare a Motion for the next NCSG Finance Committee call declaring that no voluntary dues will be assessed members this year. The NCSG FC is required by the Charter to regularly make such an assessment. (I concur with this position) 6. Edward Morris will prepare a call for volunteers that will be submitted to the NCSG FC for approval to create a small group of interested volunteers, to include representation from each constituency, to help the NCSG develop a fundraising plan or otherwise meet the FC obligations regarding same per NCSG Charter ?2.6.(This may also call for a clarification or slight re-tweaking of the NCSG mission and modes of operation, and whether this is funding for the ?same old same old? or some innovative awareness and engagement strategies (how, where, what, with whom). 7. Edward Morris will prepare a call for volunteers that will be submitted to the NCSG FC for approval, creating a position of travel liaison from the NCSG to Constituency Travel to ensure that NCSG members receive fair and equitable treatment in the expenditure of travel funding. 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Kind Regards, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "Ayden F?rdeline" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:01 PM To: "Edward Morris" Subject: FC Observer - EOI Dear Ed, I would like to express my interest in becoming an observer to the mailing list of the NCSG Finance Committee. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Thu Jun 22 15:01:08 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:01:08 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Lanfranco Comments: Action items from the NCSG Finance Committee Call of 20 June 2017 In-Reply-To: <60d3e605-c690-2fe0-104c-9a387ba2badd@lanfranco.net> References: <22352d9a27c04cbdbba9d640a860ecf1@toast.net> <60d3e605-c690-2fe0-104c-9a387ba2badd@lanfranco.net> Message-ID: <20170622120105.irvs7ygvgqlh7kje@roller.tarvainen.info> Comments inline. On Jun 21 09:20, Sam Lanfranco (sam at lanfranco.net) wrote: > > Comments submitted by Sam Lanfranco (may be farming when you consult on > these) > > ACTION ITEMS FROM THE NCSG FINANCE COMMITTEE CALL OF 20 JUNE 2017 > > 1. Edward Morris will contact ICANN regarding the noncommercial history > project, for which funding approval was granted in the Supplemental Budget > requests. (No comment) +1 > 2. Edward Morris will obtain more information regarding any assistance ICANN > may be able to give regarding banking facilities. It was agreed that while > appreciating the willingness of the NCUC to allow use of their banking > facility the current situation is not ideal. (FYI: NPOC has set up a > Canadian banking facility) +1 > 3. Edward Morris will arrange for ICANN to reimburse Avri Doria for > expenditures related to the .IS domain name. (Good luck. They still own me > $600 for expenses I covered for ICANN (at their request) in Hyderabad. NPOC > owes me more as soon as the transfer from the old Belgium account actually > works) +1 Please check with Avri the exact amount. I believe it was around $30. > 4. Tapani Tarvainen will convey to the NCSG Executive Committee (EC) a > request from the NCSG Finance Committee (FC) asking for an update as to the > EC intentions concerning those aspects of NCSG Charter ?2.4 applicable to > the FC, per the 28 April 2017 post to the NCSG EC mailing list by Ms. Robin > Gross. (Unaware of details here) I'll have to locate the message by Robin first (now traveling so a bit hard to search). > 5. Edward Morris will prepare a Motion for the next NCSG Finance Committee > call declaring that no voluntary dues will be assessed members this year. > The NCSG FC is required by the Charter to regularly make such an assessment. > (I concur with this position) +1 > 6. Edward Morris will prepare a call for volunteers that will be submitted > to the NCSG FC for approval to create a small group of interested > volunteers, to include representation from each constituency, to help the > NCSG develop a fundraising plan or otherwise meet the FC obligations > regarding same per NCSG Charter ?2.6.(This may also call for a clarification > or slight re-tweaking of the NCSG mission and modes of operation, and > whether this is funding for the ?same old same old? or some innovative > awareness and engagement strategies (how, where, what, with whom). +1 > 7. Edward Morris will prepare a call for volunteers that will be submitted > to the NCSG FC for approval, creating a position of travel liaison from the > NCSG to Constituency Travel to ensure that NCSG members receive fair and > equitable treatment in the expenditure of travel funding. Mr. Ayden > Ferdeline indicated an intention to volunteer for this position. (I endorse > this but would also call for a discussion of the criteria for being eligible > for ?fair and equitable treatment?, criteria based on potential to advance > the work of NCSG and not just based on demographics and geographics.) +1, also agreeing with Sam's concern. -- Tapani Tarvainen From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Thu Jun 22 15:03:42 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:03:42 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-FC] fw: FC Observer - EOI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20170622120342.qs3u76fb6rippevq@roller.tarvainen.info> I support. A clarifying question, however: in (most/all?) ICANN working groups, "observer" means list subscription without posting rights, whereas in NCSG Policy Committee observers have full participation rights and only lack the vote when decisions are made. I presume we'd follow the latter here but it would be good to be explicit about it. Tapani On Jun 21 23:23, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote: > > FC members, > > We have received a request from Ayden Federdeline to be added to the FC list as an Observer. I support this request. Please indicate support / opposition, as you are able. > > Kind Regards, > > Ed > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Ayden F?rdeline" > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:01 PM > To: "Edward Morris" > Subject: FC Observer - EOI > Dear Ed, > > I would like to express my interest in becoming an observer to the mailing list of the NCSG Finance Committee. Thank you for your time and consideration. > > Kind regards, > > Ayden F?rdeline > > From lanfran at yorku.ca Thu Jun 22 15:19:53 2017 From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:19:53 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] fw: FC Observer - EOI In-Reply-To: <20170622120342.qs3u76fb6rippevq@roller.tarvainen.info> References: <20170622120342.qs3u76fb6rippevq@roller.tarvainen.info> Message-ID: I support observer status under the terms suggested by Tapani. Sam On 6/22/2017 8:03 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > I support. A clarifying question, however: in (most/all?) ICANN > working groups, "observer" means list subscription without posting > rights, whereas in NCSG Policy Committee observers have full > participation rights and only lack the vote when decisions are made. I > presume we'd follow the latter here but it would be good to be > explicit about it. Tapani > > On Jun 21 23:23, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote: FC > members, We have received a request from Ayden Federdeline to be added > to the FC list as an Observer. I support this request. Please indicate > support / opposition, as you are able. Kind Regards, Ed > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Ayden F?rdeline" Sent: Wednesday, June > 21, 2017 8:01 PM To: "Edward Morris" Subject: FC > Observer - EOI Dear Ed, I would like to express my interest in > becoming an observer to the mailing list of the NCSG Finance > Committee. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kind regards, > Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I presume we'd follow the latter here but it would be good to be explicit about it. Tapani On Jun 21 23:23, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote: FC members, We have received a request from Ayden Federdeline to be added to the FC list as an Observer. I support this request. Please indicate support / opposition, as you are able. Kind Regards, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "Ayden F?rdeline" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:01 PM To: "Edward Morris" Subject: FC Observer - EOI Dear Ed, I would like to express my interest in becoming an observer to the mailing list of the NCSG Finance Committee. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ICANN working groups, "observer" means list subscription without posting rights, whereas in NCSG Policy Committee observers have full participation rights and only lack the vote when decisions are made. I presume we'd follow the latter here but it would be good to be explicit about it. Tapani On Jun 21 23:23, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote: FC members, We have received a request from Ayden Federdeline to be added to the FC list as an Observer. I support this request. Please indicate support / opposition, as you are able. Kind Regards, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "Ayden F?rdeline" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:01 PM To: "Edward Morris" Subject: FC Observer - EOI Dear Ed, I would like to express my interest in becoming an observer to the mailing list of the NCSG Finance Committee. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kind regards, Ayden F?rdeline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From egmorris1 at toast.net Thu Jun 22 16:55:26 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:55:26 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] ICANN 59 Meeting Message-ID: <3c9d7a2d2290407b8c0f526022fab605@toast.net> Hello, As everyone is aware, the NCSG Finance Committee has a 90 minute meeting slot reserved at ICANN 59 in Johannesburg. We are scheduled to meet between 10:30 and noon local time. On our last call we began to discuss what to do with this meeting slot but we ran out of time to complete the discussion. I see no reason to use this slot for a regular FC meeting. The following played a role in this evaluation: 1. We just had a 90 minute meeting covering all of the pertinent items before us. The action items from the 20 June meeting will not be completed before 27 June. 2. FC member Sam Lanfranco will not be in Johannesburg and the time difference would make this remote participation problematic. I don't like meeting for the sake of meeting. I am very cognisant that we are all volunteers here and I don't want to needlessly take anyone's time. I don't see any need for a meeting on the 27th. Of note, I do plan on asking ICANN Finance to send a member to attend our next call post-ICANN 59 to respond to items that came up on our call of 20 June. During our last call, I proposed to use the slot, provided I could get buy in from other parties, to bring together our colleagues in the GNSO with NC (NCSG, NCUC, NPOC) FC and EC members who are in South Africa to discuss the GNSO approach to the budget. The Empowered Community places community responsibility for budgetary matters in the SO and not in the SG or C's. While ALAC and the CCNSO, for example, provide unified comments to Finance on budgetary matters, the GNSO provides multiple comments from the SG's, C's and Council. It's my belief that this weakens all of us in the GNSO in intracommunity budgetary deliberations. It would be my hope that coming together we might be able to figure a way to work together to strengthen all of our budgetary proposals. In my view we should either go in that direction (and I'll try to discover on the weekend whether there is interest in participating on the part of other GNSO parties) or we should cancel the meeting all together. I'll wait to hear from the other FC members before doing anything further. Kind Regards, Edward Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Thu Jun 22 16:57:41 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:57:41 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Observer Status In-Reply-To: <9161be14e3a548549cac281115d533bf@toast.net> References: <9161be14e3a548549cac281115d533bf@toast.net> Message-ID: <20170622135741.emluqaz7a3crikcw@roller.tarvainen.info> Hi Ed, As I already indicated, I think we should grant FC observers posting privileges. In case it becomes a problem we can reconsider. Also, I don't see any reason it could not be decided on case-by-case basis, but that's something we can also consider if need arises. Tapani On Jun 22 09:10, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote: > > Hello, > > In an earlier post Tapani Tarvainen pointed out that we haven't > specifically defined the role of Observer on the Finance Committee. He made > the observation that in ICANN writ large observers receive list submissions > but are not allowed to post. In other NCSG lists posting privileges are > granted. > > What do we want to do here on the FC? > > I'll let the other FC members make the initial responses here. > > Thanks for considering, > > Edward Morris > > From lanfran at yorku.ca Thu Jun 22 17:16:04 2017 From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:16:04 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] ICANN 59 Meeting In-Reply-To: <3c9d7a2d2290407b8c0f526022fab605@toast.net> References: <3c9d7a2d2290407b8c0f526022fab605@toast.net> Message-ID: <326024a3-5a4a-0afe-0d06-f5fa4d8cbdd9@yorku.ca> All, Sadly I cannot be there, so I support Ed's position: /"....we should either go in that direction (and I'll try to discover on the weekend whether there is interest in participating on the part of other GNSO parties) or we should cancel the meeting all together." /Hopefully we will have made substantial progress so that by ICANN 60 we can deal with substantive issues and opportunities. All the best to the assembled crew. Sam L. On 6/22/2017 9:55 AM, Edward Morris wrote: > Hello, > As everyone is aware, the NCSG Finance Committee has a 90 minute > meeting slot reserved at ICANN 59 in Johannesburg. We are scheduled to > meet between 10:30 and noon local time. On our last call we began to > discuss what to do with this meeting slot but we ran out of time to > complete the discussion. > I see no reason to use this slot for a regular FC meeting. The > following played a role in this evaluation: > 1. We just had a 90 minute meeting covering all of the pertinent items > before us. The action items from the 20 June meeting will not be > completed before 27 June. > 2. FC member Sam Lanfranco will not be in Johannesburg and the time > difference would make this remote participation problematic. > I don't like meeting for the sake of meeting. I am very cognisant that > we are all volunteers here and I don't want to needlessly take > anyone's time. I don't see any need for a meeting on the 27th. Of > note, I do plan on asking ICANN Finance to send a member to attend our > next call post-ICANN 59 to respond to items that came up on our call > of 20 June. > During our last call, I proposed to use the slot, provided I could get > buy in from other parties, to bring together our colleagues in the > GNSO with NC (NCSG, NCUC, NPOC) FC and EC members who are in South > Africa to discuss the GNSO approach to the budget. The Empowered > Community places community responsibility for budgetary matters in the > SO and not in the SG or C's. While ALAC and the CCNSO, for example, > provide unified comments to Finance on budgetary matters, the GNSO > provides multiple comments from the SG's, C's and Council. It's my > belief that this weakens all of us in the GNSO in intracommunity > budgetary deliberations. It would be my hope that coming together we > might be able to figure a way to work together to strengthen all of > our budgetary proposals. > In my view we should either go in that direction (and I'll try to > discover on the weekend whether there is interest in participating on > the part of other GNSO parties) or we should cancel the meeting all > together. > I'll wait to hear from the other FC members before doing anything further. > Kind Regards, > Edward Morris > -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured in an unjust state" -Confucius ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lanfran at yorku.ca Thu Jun 22 17:19:47 2017 From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:19:47 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Observer Status In-Reply-To: <9161be14e3a548549cac281115d533bf@toast.net> References: <9161be14e3a548549cac281115d533bf@toast.net> Message-ID: All, Given the scope and mandate of the FC I would prefer allowing them to both observe and post. Should that pose problems down the road, we can reevaluate our position on that privilege. Sam On 6/22/2017 9:10 AM, Edward Morris wrote: > Hello, > In an earlier post Tapani Tarvainen pointed out that we haven't > specifically defined the role of Observer on the Finance Committee. He > made the observation that in ICANN writ large observers receive list > submissions but are not allowed to post. In other NCSG lists posting > privileges are granted. > What do we want to do here on the FC? > I'll let the other FC members make the initial responses here. > Thanks for considering, > Edward Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Thu Jun 22 17:26:58 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:26:58 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-FC] ICANN 59 Meeting In-Reply-To: <326024a3-5a4a-0afe-0d06-f5fa4d8cbdd9@yorku.ca> References: <3c9d7a2d2290407b8c0f526022fab605@toast.net> <326024a3-5a4a-0afe-0d06-f5fa4d8cbdd9@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20170622142658.ieqjv6miy7dwjnat@roller.tarvainen.info> Agreed. Tapani On Jun 22 10:16, Sam Lanfranco (lanfran at yorku.ca) wrote: > > All, > > Sadly I cannot be there, so I support Ed's position: > > /"....we should either go in that direction (and I'll try to discover on the > weekend whether there is interest in participating on the part of other GNSO > parties) or we should cancel the meeting all together." > > /Hopefully we will have made substantial progress so that by ICANN 60 we can > deal with substantive issues and opportunities. > > All the best to the assembled crew. > > Sam L. > > On 6/22/2017 9:55 AM, Edward Morris wrote: > > Hello, > > As everyone is aware, the NCSG Finance Committee has a 90 minute meeting > > slot reserved at ICANN 59 in Johannesburg. We are scheduled to meet > > between 10:30 and noon local time. On our last call we began to discuss > > what to do with this meeting slot but we ran out of time to complete the > > discussion. > > I see no reason to use this slot for a regular FC meeting. The following > > played a role in this evaluation: > > 1. We just had a 90 minute meeting covering all of the pertinent items > > before us. The action items from the 20 June meeting will not be > > completed before 27 June. > > 2. FC member Sam Lanfranco will not be in Johannesburg and the time > > difference would make this remote participation problematic. > > I don't like meeting for the sake of meeting. I am very cognisant that > > we are all volunteers here and I don't want to needlessly take anyone's > > time. I don't see any need for a meeting on the 27th. Of note, I do plan > > on asking ICANN Finance to send a member to attend our next call > > post-ICANN 59 to respond to items that came up on our call of 20 June. > > During our last call, I proposed to use the slot, provided I could get > > buy in from other parties, to bring together our colleagues in the GNSO > > with NC (NCSG, NCUC, NPOC) FC and EC members who are in South Africa to > > discuss the GNSO approach to the budget. The Empowered Community places > > community responsibility for budgetary matters in the SO and not in the > > SG or C's. While ALAC and the CCNSO, for example, provide unified > > comments to Finance on budgetary matters, the GNSO provides multiple > > comments from the SG's, C's and Council. It's my belief that this > > weakens all of us in the GNSO in intracommunity budgetary deliberations. > > It would be my hope that coming together we might be able to figure a > > way to work together to strengthen all of our budgetary proposals. > > In my view we should either go in that direction (and I'll try to > > discover on the weekend whether there is interest in participating on > > the part of other GNSO parties) or we should cancel the meeting all > > together. > > I'll wait to hear from the other FC members before doing anything further. > > Kind Regards, > > Edward Morris > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured > in an unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) > Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 > email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco > blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 > From egmorris1 at toast.net Thu Jun 22 17:47:17 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:47:17 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Decisions Message-ID: All, First, I want to commend my fellow members of the Finance Committee. Your response times are an example to every other group in the NCSG. We're able to get stuff done because you take your commitments seriously. I'm honoured to be Chair of this group. I'll declare the following as having been decided: 1. Observers shall have posting privileges on the FC list and shall be able to participate in calls and meetings without qualification, save for consensus calls per the NCSG Charter; 2. I will attempt to gauge the interest amongst GNSO colleagues in using our meeting slot to discuss ways we can work more closely together while participating in the ICANN budget process. I'll report back to this list no later than this coming Monday. If the interest is not there we will cancel the meeting. I'd also like to echo and agree with Sam's comment: Hopefully we will have made substantial progress so that by ICANN 60 we can deal with substantive issues and opportunities. We're the first very active FC in NCSG history. Slowly we're building something - step by step. Thanks again everybody. Kind Regards, Ed Morris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmorris1 at toast.net Sun Jun 25 09:00:41 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 08:00:41 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Meeting Message-ID: <256AC534-F8D0-450A-90D5-58CDBDCE422A@toast.net> Hello everyone, After discussing the matter with several of our colleagues from the CSG and CPH, it appears that although there is a desire to establish some sort of GNSO standing committee related to the budget, a session on Thursday to discuss such a matter is not necessary. As such, per the FC decision made on list last week, we will cancel the meeting scheduled for this Thursday. FC members are reminded of the action tasks remaining from our call of 20 June and encouraged to proceed with them without further prompting. Kind Regards, Ed Morris From Lanfran at yorku.ca Sun Jun 25 14:01:41 2017 From: Lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 07:01:41 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Meeting In-Reply-To: <256AC534-F8D0-450A-90D5-58CDBDCE422A@toast.net> References: <256AC534-F8D0-450A-90D5-58CDBDCE422A@toast.net> Message-ID: <1498388501.594f9815298d7@oldmymail.yorku.ca> Got it. Good luck with all the f2f in Joburg. Sam Quoting Edward Morris : > Hello everyone, > > After discussing the matter with several of our colleagues from the > CSG and CPH, it appears that although there is a desire to > establish some sort of GNSO standing committee related to the > budget, a session on Thursday to discuss such a matter is not > necessary. > > As such, per the FC decision made on list last week, we will cancel > the meeting scheduled for this Thursday. FC members are reminded of > the action tasks remaining from our call of 20 June and encouraged > to proceed with them without further prompting. > > Kind Regards, > > Ed Morris > > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-FC mailing list > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc > > ---------------------------------------------- "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured in an unjust state" -Confucius ---------------------------------------------- Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: 613 476-0429 cell: 416-816-2852