From ncsg  Tue Jan 10 12:48:14 2017
From: ncsg (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:48:14 +0200
Subject: [FC-NCSG] New FC, new list
Message-ID: <20170110104814.GB28407@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

Dear FC,

I'm slowly moving NCSG mailing lists to NCSG's own list server,
lists.ncsg.is, and as FC composition has changed (James replace by Ed),
this is a good time to do it for FC list.

The new list has already been created, I'll subscribe new FC members
there and continue FC business there:

https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc

Thank you James for your service in the FC, and welcome Ed.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen




From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Jan 11 09:02:08 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 09:02:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election
Message-ID: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>

Dear FC members,

FC composition has changed (NCUC's representative is now Edward Morris)
and new year has started, so it is a good time to review and rethink
what FC should be doing this year.

As the first action item we should elect Chair for the FC.
It would perhaps be best to do that first and the let the
FC Chair take over.

Who would like to volunteer as the Chair?
(I'm not eligible, even though I have a vote.)

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Jan 11 11:01:16 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:01:16 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC]
 =?utf-8?q?=5BPC-NCSG=5D_final_version_for_review=3A_NCU?=
 =?utf-8?q?C_comment_to_ICANN=E2=80=99s_proposed_Anti-Harassment_Policy?=
In-Reply-To: <245560bd-5eda-5124-87ca-1cad1d92fd10@cdt.org>
References: <CAN1qJvBx+qvH8VMuSZA7TT1__px4Lf_BE5QRsnedFpqr_Maohw@mail.gmail.com>
 <245560bd-5eda-5124-87ca-1cad1d92fd10@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <20170111090116.GB18062@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

Hi Matt,

Thank you for this. Looks pretty good to me.

I'm not quite sure how I feel about the bracketed dissenting views,
should they maybe be included in some form (appendix, footnote) in the
submission, but I guess it's better to leave them out as you suggest
and let people in question submit their own comments if they wish.

Tapani

On Jan 11 01:13, matthew shears (mshears at cdt.org) wrote:

> Dear colleagues
> 
> Attached please find the draft final of*__*NCUC's comment on ICANN?s
> proposed Anti-Harassment Policy.  This has gone through a number of
> iterations and I understand that we need to agree this version
> tomorrow so that we can meet the Jan 12 deadline.
> 
> Please review the document. I believe that we have discussed and
> resolved a number of outstanding issues that were been raised - one
> or two dissenting views are reflected in the text in italics and
> indented. These will be removed before submission.
> 
> If there are any_major _issues please raise to the PC as a whole and
> the persons above cc:ed asap.
> 
> Hoping that we can move this forward and submit in time.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Matthew*__*



From egmorris1 at toast.net  Fri Jan 13 02:28:06 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:28:06 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election
In-Reply-To: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>

Hi Tapani,
  
 I'd like to volunteer as Chair.
  
 I've attached the application I submitted to the EC for the position. I'd 
really like to make the FC work, expand our membership and become an active 
and vital part of noncommercial work at ICANN.
  
 Ed
  
  
  

----------------------------------------
 From: "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:02 AM
To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election   
Dear FC members, FC composition has changed (NCUC's representative is now 
Edward Morris) and new year has started, so it is a good time to review and 
rethink what FC should be doing this year. As the first action item we 
should elect Chair for the FC. It would perhaps be best to do that first 
and the let the FC Chair take over. Who would like to volunteer as the 
Chair? (I'm not eligible, even though I have a vote.) -- Tapani Tarvainen 
_______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list 
NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc

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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Fri Jan 13 21:35:45 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:35:45 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election
In-Reply-To: <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
 <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
Message-ID: <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>

Hi Ed,

Thank you.

Sam,

Do you want to toss your hat to the ring as well or will
you support Ed as the Chair?

Tapani

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 07:28:06PM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

> Hi Tapani,
>   
>  I'd like to volunteer as Chair.
>   
>  I've attached the application I submitted to the EC for the position. I'd 
> really like to make the FC work, expand our membership and become an active 
> and vital part of noncommercial work at ICANN.
>   
>  Ed
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ----------------------------------------
>  From: "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:02 AM
> To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election   
> Dear FC members, FC composition has changed (NCUC's representative is now 
> Edward Morris) and new year has started, so it is a good time to review and 
> rethink what FC should be doing this year. As the first action item we 
> should elect Chair for the FC. It would perhaps be best to do that first 
> and the let the FC Chair take over. Who would like to volunteer as the 
> Chair? (I'm not eligible, even though I have a vote.) -- Tapani Tarvainen 
> _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list 
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
> 


> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc


From lanfran at yorku.ca  Fri Jan 13 22:04:48 2017
From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:04:48 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election
In-Reply-To: <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
 <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
 <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <ea65f9fe-ccba-d561-ea81-f4fa4fae8985@yorku.ca>

Tapani,

I would rather support Ed as Chair. I am still carrying forward some of 
the burdensome business I had to deal with last year and
I would rather be someone on the FC team who gets assigned to tasks to 
be done,
and not be the one who has to keep track of what needs to be done and 
assigns tasks.

Sam

/On 1/13/2017 2:35 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
/
> /Hi Ed, Thank you. Sam, Do you want to toss your hat to the ring as 
> well or will you support Ed as the Chair? Tapani /

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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Fri Jan 13 22:08:44 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:08:44 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election
In-Reply-To: <ea65f9fe-ccba-d561-ea81-f4fa4fae8985@yorku.ca>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
 <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
 <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>
 <ea65f9fe-ccba-d561-ea81-f4fa4fae8985@yorku.ca>
Message-ID: <20170113200844.3ztz2m54gacprt7k@tarvainen.info>

Hi Sam,

Thank you. I'm happy to support Ed as well, so we're unanimous.

Ed, congratulations! You're now Chair of the Finance Committee!

Tapani

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 03:04:48PM -0500, Sam Lanfranco (lanfran at yorku.ca) wrote:

> Tapani,
> 
> I would rather support Ed as Chair. I am still carrying forward some of the
> burdensome business I had to deal with last year and
> I would rather be someone on the FC team who gets assigned to tasks to be
> done,
> and not be the one who has to keep track of what needs to be done and
> assigns tasks.
> 
> Sam
> 
> /On 1/13/2017 2:35 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> /
> > /Hi Ed, Thank you. Sam, Do you want to toss your hat to the ring as well
> > or will you support Ed as the Chair? Tapani /
> 


From egmorris1 at toast.net  Fri Jan 13 22:58:05 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:58:05 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request
In-Reply-To: <20170113200844.3ztz2m54gacprt7k@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
 <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
 <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>
 <ea65f9fe-ccba-d561-ea81-f4fa4fae8985@yorku.ca>
 <20170113200844.3ztz2m54gacprt7k@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <8c8ec178a08d4e45ba8bc4df4a3dc0c6@toast.net>

Thanks Tapani and Sam.
  
 I think we all know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to its full potential. I look forward to working with both of you, the NCSG EC and our great membership in building this vital part of the NCSG.
  
 The NCSG Charter ?2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of the NCSG-FC will be held". To fulfil our Charter obligations, I would like to ask Chair Tarvainen to schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee for the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in Copenhagen.
  
 I would propose that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his team to shift his committee's presentation and consultation from the General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the Finance Committee. The Charter tasks the Finance Committee to "work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN". I believe that hosting the ICANN CFO and his team at our FC meeting will enable us to do just that.
  
 Thanks again for your confidence and I look forward  to working with everyone on the FC.
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Edward Morris
  
  
  

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 From: "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:08 PM
To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Action items, Chair election   
Hi Sam, Thank you. I'm happy to support Ed as well, so we're unanimous. Ed, congratulations! You're now Chair of the Finance Committee! Tapani On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 03:04:48PM -0500, Sam Lanfranco (lanfran at yorku.ca) wrote: > Tapani, > > I would rather support Ed as Chair. I am still carrying forward some of the > burdensome business I had to deal with last year and > I would rather be someone on the FC team who gets assigned to tasks to be > done, > and not be the one who has to keep track of what needs to be done and > assigns tasks. > > Sam > > /On 1/13/2017 2:35 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > / > > /Hi Ed, Thank you. Sam, Do you want to toss your hat to the ring as well > > or will you support Ed as the Chair? Tapani / > _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Fri Jan 13 23:04:17 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:04:17 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Response Requested: Vice Chair
Message-ID: <cceaf6c5977843d4ab30ad77abc2f9ad@toast.net>

 
 To the Committee,
  
 The NCSG Charter ?2.6.3 states that "One or more vice chairs may be chosen by the NCSG-FC on a yearly basis".
  
 As newly elected Chair, I would like to ask Sam Lanfranco to serve as my Vice Chair. Sam's experience, intelligence and co-operative spirit would be a big help as we try to collectively make his Committee work. 
  
 Sam, would you be willing to serve as Vice Chair? Would other FC members please indicate their support for Sam (or suggest alternatives?). 
  
 Thanks for your consideration. 
  
 Kind Regards, 
  
 Ed Morris  
  
  
  

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From lanfran at yorku.ca  Fri Jan 13 23:44:19 2017
From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:44:19 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Response Requested: Vice Chair
In-Reply-To: <cceaf6c5977843d4ab30ad77abc2f9ad@toast.net>
References: <cceaf6c5977843d4ab30ad77abc2f9ad@toast.net>
Message-ID: <30ebf227-dd3a-00f1-57fc-07df152b55a9@yorku.ca>

Ed,

I am both willing to serve as Vice Chair, or to step aside should there 
be another willing and eager candidate.
- Sam

/On 1/13/2017 4:04 PM, Edward Morris wrote://
/
> /
> To the Committee,
> /
> ///
> ////
> The NCSG Charter ?2.6.3 states that "One or more vice chairs may be 
> chosen by the NCSG-FC on a yearly basis".
> As newly elected Chair, I would like to ask Sam Lanfranco to serve as 
> my Vice Chair. Sam's experience, intelligence and co-operative spirit 
> would be a big help as we try to collectively make [t]his Committee work.
> /
> //
> /Sam, would you be willing to serve as Vice Chair? Would other FC 
> members please indicate their support for Sam (or suggest alternatives?)./
> //
> /Thanks for your consideration./
> //
> /Kind Regards,/
> //
> /Ed Morris /

-- 
------------------------------------------------
"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
in an unjust state" -Confucius
  ???????????????????????
------------------------------------------------
Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca   Skype: slanfranco
blog:  https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852

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From lanfran at yorku.ca  Fri Jan 13 23:52:59 2017
From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:52:59 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request
In-Reply-To: <8c8ec178a08d4e45ba8bc4df4a3dc0c6@toast.net>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
 <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
 <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>
 <ea65f9fe-ccba-d561-ea81-f4fa4fae8985@yorku.ca>
 <20170113200844.3ztz2m54gacprt7k@tarvainen.info>
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Message-ID: <ab045308-9735-f521-0cc0-305d2c19a582@yorku.ca>

Ed, I think that this is a good and wise suggestion. As a prior step to 
such a meeting it is important that we, the NCSG Finance Committee, have 
some historical record of NCSG accounts for the past several years. I 
for one am completely in the dark as to what funds there are, where they 
come from, who administers them, and where to find the reports of 
transactions for the past two or three years.

I would find it embarrassing to have a meeting with Xavier where we put 
a request on the table to insure that "the NCSG and its Constituencies 
receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN" but were 
unable to say what we have had in the past, how it was spent, and how it 
is administered.

Sam

/On 1/13/2017 3:58 PM, Edward Morris wrote://
/
> /Thanks Tapani and Sam./
> //
> //
> //
> /I think we all know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to its 
> full potential. I look forward to working with both of you, the NCSG 
> EC and our great membership in building this vital part of the NCSG./
> //
> //
> //
> /The NCSG Charter ?2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for 
> example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of the NCSG-FC 
> will be held". To fulfil our Charter obligations, I would like to ask 
> Chair Tarvainen to schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee 
> for the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in Copenhagen./
> //
> //
> //
> /I would propose that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his team 
> to shift his committee's presentation and consultation from the 
> General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the Finance Committee. The 
> Charter tasks the Finance Committee to "work with ICANN finance 
> officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and 
> equivalent financial support from ICANN". I believe that hosting the 
> ICANN CFO and his team at our FC meeting will enable us to do just that./
> //
> //
> //
> /Thanks again for your confidence and I look forward  to working with 
> everyone on the FC./
> //
> //
> //
> /Kind Regards,/
> //
> //
> //
> /Edward Morris/
> //
> //
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

  

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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Sat Jan 14 06:49:07 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 06:49:07 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Response Requested: Vice Chair
In-Reply-To: <30ebf227-dd3a-00f1-57fc-07df152b55a9@yorku.ca>
References: <cceaf6c5977843d4ab30ad77abc2f9ad@toast.net>
 <30ebf227-dd3a-00f1-57fc-07df152b55a9@yorku.ca>
Message-ID: <20170114044907.jmmafo4ckbdfvflg@tarvainen.info>

Hi Sam,

I'm happy to have you as Vice Chair. Other candidates are unlikely to turn up -
while the Charter doesn't explicitly forbid me from being Vice Chair, I think
it follows indirectly from the prohibition of NCSG Chair acting as FC Chair.

So we're unanimous again.

Congratulations!

Tapani

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:44:19PM -0500, Sam Lanfranco (lanfran at yorku.ca) wrote:

> Ed,
> 
> I am both willing to serve as Vice Chair, or to step aside should there be
> another willing and eager candidate.
> - Sam
> 
> /On 1/13/2017 4:04 PM, Edward Morris wrote://
> /
> > /
> > To the Committee,
> > /
> > ///
> > ////
> > The NCSG Charter ?2.6.3 states that "One or more vice chairs may be
> > chosen by the NCSG-FC on a yearly basis".
> > As newly elected Chair, I would like to ask Sam Lanfranco to serve as my
> > Vice Chair. Sam's experience, intelligence and co-operative spirit would
> > be a big help as we try to collectively make [t]his Committee work.
> > /
> > //
> > /Sam, would you be willing to serve as Vice Chair? Would other FC
> > members please indicate their support for Sam (or suggest
> > alternatives?)./
> > //
> > /Thanks for your consideration./
> > //
> > /Kind Regards,/
> > //
> > /Ed Morris /
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------
> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
> in an unjust state" -Confucius
>  ???????????????????????
> ------------------------------------------------
> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
> email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca   Skype: slanfranco
> blog:  https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Sat Jan 14 06:51:23 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 06:51:23 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Meeting in Copenhagen
In-Reply-To: <8c8ec178a08d4e45ba8bc4df4a3dc0c6@toast.net>
References: <20170111070208.xt4bksz3lfma2rlo@tarvainen.info>
 <8a17b793424d4a65be4cc216b508ed3b@toast.net>
 <20170113193545.b72e2xuub5l5r2r7@tarvainen.info>
 <ea65f9fe-ccba-d561-ea81-f4fa4fae8985@yorku.ca>
 <20170113200844.3ztz2m54gacprt7k@tarvainen.info>
 <8c8ec178a08d4e45ba8bc4df4a3dc0c6@toast.net>
Message-ID: <20170114045123.vjotrzfrytsky4vk@tarvainen.info>

Hi Ed,

Thank you for a vigorous start as FC Chair. A meeting in Copenhagen would
indeed be appropriate.

Maryam,

Will you please schedule a meeting for FC. Thank you.

Tapani

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 03:58:05PM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

> Thanks Tapani and Sam.
> 
>  I think we all know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to its full potential. I look forward to working with both of you, the NCSG EC and our great membership in building this vital part of the NCSG.
> 
>  The NCSG Charter ?2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of the NCSG-FC will be held". To fulfil our Charter obligations, I would like to ask Chair Tarvainen to schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee for the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in Copenhagen.
> 
>  I would propose that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his team to shift his committee's presentation and consultation from the General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the Finance Committee. The Charter tasks the Finance Committee to "work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN". I believe that hosting the ICANN CFO and his team at our FC meeting will enable us to do just that.
> 
>  Thanks again for your confidence and I look forward  to working with everyone on the FC.
> 
>  Kind Regards,
> 
>  Edward Morris


From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 14 15:54:46 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 08:54:46 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Response Requested: Vice Chair
In-Reply-To: <20170114044907.jmmafo4ckbdfvflg@tarvainen.info>
References: <cceaf6c5977843d4ab30ad77abc2f9ad@toast.net>
 <30ebf227-dd3a-00f1-57fc-07df152b55a9@yorku.ca>
 <20170114044907.jmmafo4ckbdfvflg@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <16292ae1bf3948b9afc232a669bca9de@toast.net>

Sam,
  
 Thank you so much for your willingness to serve as Vice Chair of the Finance Committee. I think we have a good team and we're off to a good start!
  
 Thanks Again,
  
 Ed Morris
  
  
  

----------------------------------------
 From: "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:49 AM
To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Response Requested: Vice Chair   
Hi Sam, I'm happy to have you as Vice Chair. Other candidates are unlikely to turn up - while the Charter doesn't explicitly forbid me from being Vice Chair, I think it follows indirectly from the prohibition of NCSG Chair acting as FC Chair. So we're unanimous again. Congratulations! Tapani On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:44:19PM -0500, Sam Lanfranco (lanfran at yorku.ca) wrote: > Ed, > > I am both willing to serve as Vice Chair, or to step aside should there be > another willing and eager candidate. > - Sam > > /On 1/13/2017 4:04 PM, Edward Morris wrote:// > / > > / > > To the Committee, > > / > > /// > > //// > > The NCSG Charter ?2.6.3 states that "One or more vice chairs may be > > chosen by the NCSG-FC on a yearly basis". > > As newly elected Chair, I would like to ask Sam Lanfranco to serve as my > > Vice Chair. Sam's experience, intelligence and co-operative spirit would > > be a big help as we try to collectively make [t]his Committee work. > > / > > // > > /Sam, would you be willing to serve as Vice Chair? Would other FC > > members please indicate their support for Sam (or suggest > > alternatives?)./ > > // > > /Thanks for your consideration./ > > // > > /Kind Regards,/ > > // > > /Ed Morris / > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured > in an unjust state" -Confucius > ??????????????????????? > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) > Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 > email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca Skype: slanfranco > blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com > Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 14 16:43:07 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:43:07 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request
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HI Sam,
  
 Excellent points.
  
 As we know, the NCSG has no bank account. When Robin Gross was Chair of the NCSG she did raise money and hold events but I believe the financial part was always done through the NCUC.
  
 Tapani, you've been the leader within the NCSG and NCUC  in trying to both open up the archives of these organizations and to bring transparency into the current processes. Can you tell us anything about the past history of the NCSG FC or, indeed, anything to do with finance in our SG? 
  
 I do understand we did receive funds last year for the new database. Would you be able to tell us what procedure a group lacking a bank account used to receive and spend the monies? I think that will help identify some areas we need to work on.
  
 I will also note that in terms of equity, that our SG does include two constituencies that do interact with ICANN in many ways. I take our remit under the Charter to include insuring our two constituencies are treated fairly by ICANN. Thoughts?
  
 Thanks,
  
 Ed
  
  
  

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 From: "Sam Lanfranco" <lanfran at yorku.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:52 PM
To: egmorris1 at toast.net, "NCSG Finance Committee" <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request   
 Ed, I think that this is a good and wise suggestion. As a prior step to such a meeting it is important that we, the NCSG Finance Committee, have some historical record of NCSG accounts for the past several years. I for one am completely in the dark as to what funds there are, where they come from, who administers them, and where to find the reports of transactions for the past two or three years.

I would find it embarrassing to have a meeting with Xavier where we put a request on the table to insure that "the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN" but were unable to say what we have had in the past, how it was spent, and how it is administered.

Sam

On 1/13/2017 3:58 PM, Edward Morris wrote: 
  Thanks Tapani and Sam. 
  
 I think we all know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to its full potential. I look forward to working with both of you, the NCSG EC and our great membership in building this vital part of the NCSG.
  
 The NCSG Charter ?2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of the NCSG-FC will be held". To fulfil our Charter obligations, I would like to ask Chair Tarvainen to schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee for the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in Copenhagen.
  
 I would propose that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his team to shift his committee's presentation and consultation from the General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the Finance Committee. The Charter tasks the Finance Committee to "work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN". I believe that hosting the ICANN CFO and his team at our FC meeting will enable us to do just that.
  
 Thanks again for your confidence and I look forward  to working with everyone on the FC.
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Edward Morris
  
  
  

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From lanfran at yorku.ca  Sat Jan 14 17:19:25 2017
From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 10:19:25 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC]  Moving Forward
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Ed.,

As part of getting the history of financials sorted out you might want 
to ask both Robin Gross and Milton Mueller if they have any information 
they can share. I hear occasional rumors (false news) that Milton might 
administer some funds (NCUC?, NCSG?) but I don't know. Would be worth 
clearing the air there. Also, in other work I do with the International 
Society on Third Sector Research (ISTR) I get government updates on the 
tax status of U.S. NGOs. Something in ipjustice was in their releases a 
couple of times last year. I think that ipjustice administers no funds 
for anything in the NCSG constituency but am not sure. Robin could be 
asked to clear the air there as well.

As for NPOC, I am now treasurer and we are in the process of moving the 
account from Belgium, where Rudi administered it, to Canada, where Joan 
Kerr and I will administer it. I have our transactions records on the 
Belgium account for 2014-2015 (in Dutch) and hope to have the 2016 
records shortly. Things are not moving as fast on that front as I would 
like so I had to lend NPOC funds for the successful Hyderabad NPOC 
outreach session, so I am eager to complete the transfer of funds to the 
Canadian account.

Tapani is on top of the information with regard to funding the new 
membership database project.

Sam

/On 1/14/2017 9:43 AM, Edward Morris wrote://
/
> /HI Sam,/
> //
> //
> //
> /Excellent points./
> //
> //
> //
> /As we know, the NCSG has no bank account. When Robin Gross was Chair 
> of the NCSG she did raise money and hold events but I believe the 
> financial part was always done through the NCUC./
> //
> //
> //
> /Tapani, you've been the leader within the NCSG and NCUC  in trying to 
> both open up the archives of these organizations and to bring 
> transparency into the current processes. Can you tell us anything 
> about the past history of the NCSG FC or, indeed, anything to do with 
> finance in our SG? /
> //
> //
> //
> /I do understand we did receive funds last year for the new database. 
> Would you be able to tell us what procedure a group lacking a bank 
> account used to receive and spend the monies? I think that will help 
> identify some areas we need to work on./
> //
> //
> //
> /I will also note that in terms of equity, that our SG does include 
> two constituencies that do interact with ICANN in many ways. I take 
> our remit under the Charter to include insuring our two constituencies 
> are treated fairly by ICANN. Thoughts?/
> //
> //
> //
> /Thanks,/
> //
> //
> //
> /Ed/
> //
> //
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: "Sam Lanfranco" <lanfran at yorku.ca>
> *Sent*: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:52 PM
> *To*: egmorris1 at toast.net, "NCSG Finance Committee" 
> <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request
> Ed, I think that this is a good and wise suggestion. As a prior step 
> to such a meeting it is important that we, the NCSG Finance Committee, 
> have some historical record of NCSG accounts for the past several 
> years. I for one am completely in the dark as to what funds there are, 
> where they come from, who administers them, and where to find the 
> reports of transactions for the past two or three years.
>
> I would find it embarrassing to have a meeting with Xavier where we 
> put a request on the table to insure that "the NCSG and its 
> Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from 
> ICANN" but were unable to say what we have had in the past, how it was 
> spent, and how it is administered.
>
> Sam
>
> /On 1/13/2017 3:58 PM, Edward Morris wrote:/
>> /Thanks Tapani and Sam./
>> //
>> /I think we all know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to 
>> its full potential. I look forward to working with both of you, the 
>> NCSG EC and our great membership in building this vital part of the 
>> NCSG./
>> //
>> /The NCSG Charter ?2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for 
>> example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of the NCSG-FC 
>> will be held". To fulfil our Charter obligations, I would like to ask 
>> Chair Tarvainen to schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee 
>> for the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in Copenhagen./
>> //
>> /I would propose that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his 
>> team to shift his committee's presentation and consultation from the 
>> General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the Finance Committee. The 
>> Charter tasks the Finance Committee to "work with ICANN finance 
>> officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and 
>> equivalent financial support from ICANN". I believe that hosting the 
>> ICANN CFO and his team at our FC meeting will enable us to do just that./
>> //
>> /Thanks again for your confidence and I look forward  to working with 
>> everyone on the FC./
>> //
>> /Kind Regards,/
>> //
>> /Edward Morris/
>> //
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   


-- 
------------------------------------------------
"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
in an unjust state" -Confucius
  ???????????????????????
------------------------------------------------
Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca   Skype: slanfranco
blog:  https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Mon Jan 16 00:26:07 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:26:07 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC Observers
Message-ID: <bf5f95f2818f418ba01b5ff6296804d3@toast.net>

Hello,
  
  
  The NCSG Charter is unclear as to how to bring additional people onto the Finance Committee to help us do our work. The Charter is actually unclear as to even the name of the Committee, referring to it both as the Financial Committee and as the Finance Committee. The Charter obviously needs to have a lot of work done on it.
  
 I know all of us want to make this Committee functional. More help would be welcome.
  
 The NCSG Charter ?2.6.1 reads:
  
 ---
  
 The NCSG Finance Committee (FC) shall be comprised of one representative from each Recognized Constituency. Each Candidate Constituency is entitled to appoint an observer. The NCSG Chair will participate as an ex-officio member of the NCSG-FC and will be included in consensus process and votes. The FC may invite other members as needed to meet its goals and responsibilities. 
  
 ---
  
 The NCSG Charter ?2.6.6 reads:
  
 ---
  
 - Any observer to the NCSG-FC will have full participation rights except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote.
  
 - Elected or appointed representative from NCSG Candidate Constituencies will be given observer status.
  
 ---
  
 As we organize our work for the coming year I would like to get other NCSG members active with the FC?s work. This is particularly true concerning our work commenting on ICANN?s budget. As we bring people on board I think it would be optimal to also invite these working volunteer members to be Observers to the full Finance Committee, per NCSG Charter ?2.6.1.
  
 As we begin, though, I?d like to propose inviting the following NCSG members onto the Finance Committee as Observers immediately:
  
 NPOC Chair Klaus Stoll
 NCUC Chair Farzaneh Badii
 NCUC appointed FC alternate Florian Daniel
  
 The first two are people we should be working with to coordinate overall NCSG financial matters, per NCSG Charter ?2.6. Although there is no position of alternate in the NCSG Charter the NCUC appointed one so I propose adding Florian as an Observer immediately, with the understanding that any other NCSG member who wants to actively work with us on FC matters will be treated the same way.
  
 Thoughts?
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Edward Morris

  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Mon Jan 16 00:31:37 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:31:37 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Moving Forward
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Hi Sam,
  
 Milton is the NCUC Treasurer and administers their funds through an organisational account at a bank in Atlanta, Georgia. The NCUC does have a US Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN). In recent years the account balance has been in the general area of around $80,000.
  
 It does not appear as if Robin or anyone else has been using the NCSG as an organ for receiving or spending funds. All seems to have been done at the Constituency level. We appear to be breaking new ground by trying to establish something at the SG level, as required by the NCSG Charter.
  
 Ed
  
  
  

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 From: "Sam Lanfranco" <lanfran at yorku.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:19 PM
To: egmorris1 at toast.net, "NCSG Finance Committee" <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Moving Forward   
 Ed.,

As part of getting the history of financials sorted out you might want to ask both Robin Gross and Milton Mueller if they have any information they can share. I hear occasional rumors (false news) that Milton might administer some funds (NCUC?, NCSG?) but I don't know. Would be worth clearing the air there. Also, in other work I do with the International Society on Third Sector Research (ISTR) I get government updates on the tax status of U.S. NGOs. Something in ipjustice was in their releases a couple of times last year. I think that ipjustice administers no funds for anything in the NCSG constituency but am not sure. Robin could be asked to clear the air there as well.

As for NPOC, I am now treasurer and we are in the process of moving the account from Belgium, where Rudi administered it, to Canada, where Joan Kerr and I will administer it. I have our transactions records on the Belgium account for 2014-2015 (in Dutch) and hope to have the 2016 records shortly. Things are not moving as fast on that front as I would like so I had to lend NPOC funds for the successful Hyderabad NPOC outreach session, so I am eager to complete the transfer of funds to the Canadian account.

Tapani is on top of the information with regard to funding the new membership database project.

Sam

On 1/14/2017 9:43 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
  HI Sam,
  
 Excellent points.
  
 As we know, the NCSG has no bank account. When Robin Gross was Chair of the NCSG she did raise money and hold events but I believe the financial part was always done through the NCUC.
  
 Tapani, you've been the leader within the NCSG and NCUC  in trying to both open up the archives of these organizations and to bring transparency into the current processes. Can you tell us anything about the past history of the NCSG FC or, indeed, anything to do with finance in our SG? 
  
 I do understand we did receive funds last year for the new database. Would you be able to tell us what procedure a group lacking a bank account used to receive and spend the monies? I think that will help identify some areas we need to work on.
  
 I will also note that in terms of equity, that our SG does include two constituencies that do interact with ICANN in many ways. I take our remit under the Charter to include insuring our two constituencies are treated fairly by ICANN. Thoughts?
  
 Thanks,
  
 Ed
  
  
  

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 From: "Sam Lanfranco" <lanfran at yorku.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:52 PM
To: egmorris1 at toast.net, "NCSG Finance Committee" <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request    
   Ed, I think that this is a good and wise suggestion. As a prior step to such a meeting it is important that we, the NCSG Finance Committee, have some historical record of NCSG accounts for the past several years. I for one am completely in the dark as to what funds there are, where they come from, who administers them, and where to find the reports of transactions for the past two or three years.

I would find it embarrassing to have a meeting with Xavier where we put a request on the table to insure that "the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN" but were unable to say what we have had in the past, how it was spent, and how it is administered.

Sam

On 1/13/2017 3:58 PM, Edward Morris wrote: 
    Thanks Tapani and Sam. 
  
 I think we all know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to its full potential. I look forward to working with both of you, the NCSG EC and our great membership in building this vital part of the NCSG.
  
 The NCSG Charter ?2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of the NCSG-FC will be held". To fulfil our Charter obligations, I would like to ask Chair Tarvainen to schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee for the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in Copenhagen.
  
 I would propose that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his team to shift his committee's presentation and consultation from the General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the Finance Committee. The Charter tasks the Finance Committee to "work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN". I believe that hosting the ICANN CFO and his team at our FC meeting will enable us to do just that.
  
 Thanks again for your confidence and I look forward  to working with everyone on the FC.
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Edward Morris
  
  
  

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 --  ------------------------------------------------ "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured in an unjust state" -Confucius  ??????????????????????? ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca   Skype: slanfranco blog:  https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Mon Jan 16 00:34:49 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:34:49 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Observers  II
Message-ID: <885fb993f0fa42cda312595c160c3e3e@toast.net>

Per the NCSG Charter:
  
  The NCSG Charter ?2.6.6 reads:
  
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 - Any observer to the NCSG-FC will have full participation rights except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote.
  
 - Elected or appointed representative from NCSG Candidate Constituencies will be given observer status.
  
 ---
  
 A question for Tapani: Does the NCSG have any  Candidate Constituencies? ( Does the consumer constituency proposal current meet this definition?) 
  
 If so, I will reach out to them to see if they would like to elect or appoint someone as an Observer to the FC.
  
 Brest,
  
 Ed Morris
  

  
  

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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Jan 16 07:45:36 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:45:36 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request
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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 09:43:07AM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

>  As we know, the NCSG has no bank account. When Robin Gross was
> Chair of the NCSG she did raise money and hold events but I believe
> the financial part was always done through the NCUC.

That is my understanding as well.

> Tapani, you've been the leader within the NCSG and NCUC in trying
> to both open up the archives of these organizations and to bring
> transparency into the current processes. Can you tell us anything
> about the past history of the NCSG FC or, indeed, anything to do
> with finance in our SG?

As far as I know, NCSG FC has not done anything of note during the
time I'm been involved in NCSG.

NCSG itself does not have a bank account or finances other than
what ICANN provides us (travel support, special budget requests).

> I do understand we did receive funds last year for the new
> database. Would you be able to tell us what procedure a group
> lacking a bank account used to receive and spend the monies?

It was done via NCUC's bank account, Milton Mueller took care of the
practical details. That was (and is) joint NCSG-NCUC-NPOC effort,
so that was not a problem (and it was easier to use NCUC than NPOC,
as at the time NPOC was in the middle of its election).

But in general it is problematic that NCSG does not have a bank
account of its own.

For example, the registration of ncsg.is has been paid by Avri Doria
personally when she was NCSG Chair; it expires this May, renewing
it has to be paid for somehow.

> I will also note that in terms of equity, that our SG does include
> two constituencies that do interact with ICANN in many ways. I take
> our remit under the Charter to include insuring our two
> constituencies are treated fairly by ICANN.

Yes. How that applies to managing our finances and bank accounts and
NCSG's lack of same, is a good question.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Jan 16 08:11:57 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:11:57 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC Observers
In-Reply-To: <bf5f95f2818f418ba01b5ff6296804d3@toast.net>
References: <bf5f95f2818f418ba01b5ff6296804d3@toast.net>
Message-ID: <20170116061157.5de2jmwq5i3wmxia@tarvainen.info>

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 05:26:07PM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

> The NCSG Charter is unclear as to how to bring additional people
> onto the Finance Committee to help us do our work. The Charter is
> actually unclear as to even the name of the Committee, referring to
> it both as the Financial Committee and as the Finance Committee. The
> Charter obviously needs to have a lot of work done on it.

Yes.

> "The NCSG Finance Committee (FC) shall be comprised of one
> representative from each Recognized Constituency. Each Candidate
> Constituency is entitled to appoint an observer. The NCSG Chair will
> participate as an ex-officio member of the NCSG-FC and will be
> included in consensus process and votes. The FC may invite other
> members as needed to meet its goals and responsibilities."

That is indeed a bit unclear, but I don't think anybody will object if
we decide to invite observers: that is pretty clearly the intent
behind the unclear wording.

> As we organize our work for the coming year I would like to get
> other NCSG members active with the FC?s work.
[...]
> As we bring people on board I think it would be optimal to also
> invite these working volunteer members to be Observers to the full
> Finance Committee, per NCSG Charter ?2.6.1.

Agreed.

>  As we begin, though, I?d like to propose inviting the following NCSG members onto the Finance Committee as Observers immediately:
> 
>  NPOC Chair Klaus Stoll
>  NCUC Chair Farzaneh Badii
>  NCUC appointed FC alternate Florian Daniel

Sounds good.

> The first two are people we should be working with to coordinate
> overall NCSG financial matters, per NCSG Charter ?2.6. Although
> there is no position of alternate in the NCSG Charter the NCUC
> appointed one so I propose adding Florian as an Observer
> immediately,

Agreed.

> with the understanding that any other NCSG member who wants to
> actively work with us on FC matters will be treated the same way.

Somehow I doubt there'll be a great rush of active people
flocking into FC...

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Jan 18 15:34:34 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:34:34 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request
In-Reply-To: <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
References: <CAN1qJvCMni8rbShAakXo2JjhYVKK3rL10d8Pxmn-yt9xAR45sQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
Message-ID: <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

Dear Finance Committee,

Please see attached special budget request draft.

Keep Farzaneh and Klaus in the loop for any questions
or comments you may have.

Thank you,

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Wed Jan 18 21:46:47 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:46:47 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposed FC Observers
In-Reply-To: <20170116061157.5de2jmwq5i3wmxia@tarvainen.info>
References: <bf5f95f2818f418ba01b5ff6296804d3@toast.net>
 <20170116061157.5de2jmwq5i3wmxia@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <3461EDCF-63B9-467E-9B0B-3DCA8B02127B@toast.net>

Two FC members indicating their assent,  I will ask those proposed if they would like to be added as Observers to the FC list unless I hear a dissenting view from a FC member within the next 24 hours.

Ed Morris



> On 16 Jan 2017, at 06:12, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 05:26:07PM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:
>> 
>> The NCSG Charter is unclear as to how to bring additional people
>> onto the Finance Committee to help us do our work. The Charter is
>> actually unclear as to even the name of the Committee, referring to
>> it both as the Financial Committee and as the Finance Committee. The
>> Charter obviously needs to have a lot of work done on it.
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> "The NCSG Finance Committee (FC) shall be comprised of one
>> representative from each Recognized Constituency. Each Candidate
>> Constituency is entitled to appoint an observer. The NCSG Chair will
>> participate as an ex-officio member of the NCSG-FC and will be
>> included in consensus process and votes. The FC may invite other
>> members as needed to meet its goals and responsibilities."
> 
> That is indeed a bit unclear, but I don't think anybody will object if
> we decide to invite observers: that is pretty clearly the intent
> behind the unclear wording.
> 
>> As we organize our work for the coming year I would like to get
>> other NCSG members active with the FC?s work.
> [...]
>> As we bring people on board I think it would be optimal to also
>> invite these working volunteer members to be Observers to the full
>> Finance Committee, per NCSG Charter ?2.6.1.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> As we begin, though, I?d like to propose inviting the following NCSG members onto the Finance Committee as Observers immediately:
>> 
>> NPOC Chair Klaus Stoll
>> NCUC Chair Farzaneh Badii
>> NCUC appointed FC alternate Florian Daniel
> 
> Sounds good.
> 
>> The first two are people we should be working with to coordinate
>> overall NCSG financial matters, per NCSG Charter ?2.6. Although
>> there is no position of alternate in the NCSG Charter the NCUC
>> appointed one so I propose adding Florian as an Observer
>> immediately,
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> with the understanding that any other NCSG member who wants to
>> actively work with us on FC matters will be treated the same way.
> 
> Somehow I doubt there'll be a great rush of active people
> flocking into FC...
> 
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc

From egmorris1 at toast.net  Wed Jan 18 23:10:16 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:10:16 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request
In-Reply-To: <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
References: <CAN1qJvCMni8rbShAakXo2JjhYVKK3rL10d8Pxmn-yt9xAR45sQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
 <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <9e477e78583a4f6799ab7fe732f7185a@toast.net>

Hi Tapani,
  
 Thanks for this.
  
 I commend Farzi and Klaus for submitting what amounts to a completed 
Special Request proposal. They have largely done the FC's work for us!
  
 Under the Charter I believe approval of such a request would be an 
Executive function that accrues to the Chair. If approved, then the FC will 
be happy to submit and liaise with ICANN staff to ensure the request 
receives full and fair consideration, per our responsibilities under the 
NCSG Charter.
  
 I would suggest that as a way of improving there chances of acceptance the 
proposers and other interested parties should:
  
 - Be more specific about the contents of the proposed two day capacity 
summit;
  
 - Do you have a time or suggested location for the summit?  If attached to 
meeting A or B, for example, air fare costs may be reduced;
  
 - Will outside experts be retained? What is the FTE estimate for ICANN 
staff?
  
 - A cost estimate would be helpful for this proposal and, to be 
successful, is essential.
  
 On behalf of the FC, I'm happy to see the leadership of our two 
constituencies working together on this proposal and look forward to giving 
them any and all applicable assistance.
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Ed Morris
  
  
  
  

----------------------------------------
 From: "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:34 PM
To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Cc: "Klaus Stoll" <kdrstoll at gmail.com>, "farzaneh badii" 
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request   
Dear Finance Committee,

Please see attached special budget request draft.

Keep Farzaneh and Klaus in the loop for any questions
or comments you may have.

Thank you,

--
Tapani Tarvainen

_______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list 
NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Wed Jan 18 23:29:43 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:29:43 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request
In-Reply-To: <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
References: <CAN1qJvCMni8rbShAakXo2JjhYVKK3rL10d8Pxmn-yt9xAR45sQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
 <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <B8B3BFB6-EF70-432E-A368-D4B883D5B048@toast.net>

Apology for a mistake in my previous post on this matter. I'm doing this from a hospital bed following minor surgery today and I mistyped.

If attached to a meeting the capacity summit would need to be attached to meeting A or meeting C. The ICANN meetings policy, adopted by the community, specifically prohibits extension of meeting B for activities such as this.

Apologies for my earlier error,

Ed

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2017, at 13:34, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Finance Committee,
> 
> Please see attached special budget request draft.
> 
> Keep Farzaneh and Klaus in the loop for any questions
> or comments you may have.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> <FY18_Community_Requests_Template_NCSGCs.docx>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc



From egmorris1 at toast.net  Thu Jan 19 03:15:16 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:15:16 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvASp5aGrEOCMFcjGfxB_oYH_PrNubCqeR87bqAPbDG5Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCMni8rbShAakXo2JjhYVKK3rL10d8Pxmn-yt9xAR45sQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
 <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <B8B3BFB6-EF70-432E-A368-D4B883D5B048@toast.net>
 <CAN1qJvD=SY_-ZfdHdLbLUKHngb4i4KbNRCM0jiEd2bDMUiEzdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvDLOKSPBR4bTpG2m7BNGBkTLjVVkZCJOftJTi7wp0GVdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvASp5aGrEOCMFcjGfxB_oYH_PrNubCqeR87bqAPbDG5Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a95ecc085bda4408a5f46167f4c81665@toast.net>

Hi Farzi,
  
 The NCSG Charter, ?2.6, states that the F.C:
  
  
    ? Work with the ICANN staff to determine levels of support available to the NCSG;

? Work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN;
  
  
 My reading of that is the F.C. should be the link between ICANN and the NCSG. We'll be posting any opportunities we learn of about funding and program possibilities for our Members and we'll write and submit the proposals when called for and asked to. We'll also follow up on the applications. That's why I said that you've already done much of our work on this application. Thank you!
  
 The NCSG and NCUC Charters and Bylaws are very different in terms of structure and powers. Executive functions in the NCSG reside in the Chair subject to some limitations and rights of supervision the NCSG EC can exercise if it wants to. Approval of requests such as these Supplemental ones pretty clearly are an Executive function so I'd suggest the Chair should be your first point of contact for these type of requests. 
  
 I should note that there may be situations where the F.C. can act independently to ensure that the "NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN". I also note that the NCSG FC by its Charter should, and in this case wants to, actively work with the Constituencies to ensure that they get the maximum amount of support from ICANN that they are entitled to. As FC Chair, my goal is to work with you and Klaus and your respective ECs to help you get what you want from ICANN, rather than giving you my opinion as to what you should want. Make sense?
  
 I'm happy to work with everyone but I respect the independence of the Constituencies and history suggests matters of finance will still largely be the providence of the Constituencies. I'm very happy, though, to help on joint NPOC-NCUC ventures such as this and to assist any member who choses to work through the SG. We have a number of NCSG members, as you know, who are members of neither NPOC or the NCUC and I do feel a special obligation towards them.
  
 Hope this helps. This is all a work in progress and I do stand to be corrected. Working together, though, I do believe a strong and functioning Finance Committee at the SG level will make all noncommercial groups within ICANN stronger and more effective. At least that is the goal.
  
 Thanks for all of your incredible hard work!
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Ed Morris
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  

----------------------------------------
 From: "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 12:36 AM
To: "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net>
Cc: "Klaus Stoll" <kdrstoll at gmail.com>, "NCSG Finance Committee" <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request   
 Thanks a lot Ed for the feedback.   
 I will try and make some changes, then I think it can be sent to ncsg ec?
  
 Also I was wondering if NCSG has plans for other special budget requests? And should it be coordinated with FC or EC only ? 

   On 18 Jan 2017 16:29, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:  Apology for a mistake in my previous post on this matter. I'm doing this from a hospital bed following minor surgery today and I mistyped.

If attached to a meeting the capacity summit would need to be attached to meeting A or meeting C. The ICANN meetings policy, adopted by the community, specifically prohibits extension of meeting B for activities such as this.

Apologies for my earlier error,

Ed

Sent from my iPhone 
> On 18 Jan 2017, at 13:34, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Finance Committee,
>
> Please see attached special budget request draft.
>
> Keep Farzaneh and Klaus in the loop for any questions
> or comments you may have.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
> <FY18_Community_Requests_Template_NCSGCs.docx> > _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
 


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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 02:36:49 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:36:49 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvDLOKSPBR4bTpG2m7BNGBkTLjVVkZCJOftJTi7wp0GVdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCMni8rbShAakXo2JjhYVKK3rL10d8Pxmn-yt9xAR45sQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
 <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <B8B3BFB6-EF70-432E-A368-D4B883D5B048@toast.net>
 <CAN1qJvD=SY_-ZfdHdLbLUKHngb4i4KbNRCM0jiEd2bDMUiEzdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvDLOKSPBR4bTpG2m7BNGBkTLjVVkZCJOftJTi7wp0GVdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvASp5aGrEOCMFcjGfxB_oYH_PrNubCqeR87bqAPbDG5Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Ed for the feedback.

I will try and make some changes, then I think it can be sent to ncsg ec?

Also I was wondering if NCSG has plans for other special budget requests?
And should it be coordinated with FC or EC only ?

On 18 Jan 2017 16:29, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:

Apology for a mistake in my previous post on this matter. I'm doing this
from a hospital bed following minor surgery today and I mistyped.

If attached to a meeting the capacity summit would need to be attached to
meeting A or meeting C. The ICANN meetings policy, adopted by the
community, specifically prohibits extension of meeting B for activities
such as this.

Apologies for my earlier error,

Ed

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2017, at 13:34, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
wrote:
>
> Dear Finance Committee,
>
> Please see attached special budget request draft.
>
> Keep Farzaneh and Klaus in the loop for any questions
> or comments you may have.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
> <FY18_Community_Requests_Template_NCSGCs.docx>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Thu Jan 19 10:51:52 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:51:52 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] NCSG Special Budget Request
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvASp5aGrEOCMFcjGfxB_oYH_PrNubCqeR87bqAPbDG5Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCMni8rbShAakXo2JjhYVKK3rL10d8Pxmn-yt9xAR45sQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E36014DA-16AE-4409-99A5-0926221CFE61@icann.org>
 <20170118133434.GC25431@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <B8B3BFB6-EF70-432E-A368-D4B883D5B048@toast.net>
 <CAN1qJvD=SY_-ZfdHdLbLUKHngb4i4KbNRCM0jiEd2bDMUiEzdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvDLOKSPBR4bTpG2m7BNGBkTLjVVkZCJOftJTi7wp0GVdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvASp5aGrEOCMFcjGfxB_oYH_PrNubCqeR87bqAPbDG5Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170119085152.wvckxtoh5twri6ne@tarvainen.info>

Hi Farzaneh, others,

As I see it, FC is the appropriate place for reviewing the, let's
say formal aspects of budget requests, making sure they're possible
by the rules - just like the point Ed made below.

Other aspects, like the desirability of the proposal and practical
arrangements would be more EC's area.

This specific case I see mainly as NCUC-NPOC joint operation, where
NCSG is just facilitating and coordinating - one of NCSG EC's specific
functions by our charter is "Coordinationg among NCSG Constituencies".

When constituencies prepare a plan in cooperation, there's little
for the NCSG EC to do though - it would be rather surprising if
constituencies' representatives there wanted to block things in
such a case, nor the Chair, unless there's something really odd
in the works like a potential legal problem or the like.

But, I have already (immediately after sending this to the FC)
notified the EC that this is in the works, they can follow the FC
discussion on the archives, and as soon as FC approves the request is
viable from their perspective I'll move the discussion to the EC list.

Tapani

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 07:36:49PM -0500, farzaneh badii (farzaneh.badii at gmail.com) wrote:

> Thanks a lot Ed for the feedback.
> 
> I will try and make some changes, then I think it can be sent to ncsg ec?
> 
> Also I was wondering if NCSG has plans for other special budget requests?
> And should it be coordinated with FC or EC only ?
> 
> On 18 Jan 2017 16:29, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
> 
> Apology for a mistake in my previous post on this matter. I'm doing this
> from a hospital bed following minor surgery today and I mistyped.
> 
> If attached to a meeting the capacity summit would need to be attached to
> meeting A or meeting C. The ICANN meetings policy, adopted by the
> community, specifically prohibits extension of meeting B for activities
> such as this.
> 
> Apologies for my earlier error,
> 
> Ed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 18 Jan 2017, at 13:34, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Finance Committee,
> >
> > Please see attached special budget request draft.
> >
> > Keep Farzaneh and Klaus in the loop for any questions
> > or comments you may have.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > --
> > Tapani Tarvainen
> >
> > <FY18_Community_Requests_Template_NCSGCs.docx>


From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 06:17:49 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:17:49 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Farzaneh
Message-ID: <22a0cc3a13904eb882a2142d2fdb9f4b@toast.net>

Hi Farzaneh,
 
As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
 
As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Financial Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
 
Farzaneth, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
 
Thank You,
 
Ed Morris
Chair
NCSG Finance Committee
  
  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 06:19:21 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:19:21 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Klaus
Message-ID: <befec9d64d344326abca6dd8ca15eca4@toast.net>

 
 Hi Klaus,   As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.   As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Finance Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.   Klaus, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.   Thank You,   Ed Morris Chair NCSG Finance Committee
  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 06:25:53 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:25:53 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Florian
Message-ID: <7f1f6ed2d6264cd9bbb5ea623f9b2850@toast.net>

 Hi Florian, 
  
 As you may know, I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
  
 As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Financial Committee. When appointing me to the NCSG Finance Committee the NCUC Executive Committee appointed you to serve as my alternate. Although the position of alternate does not appear in the NCSG Charter, at my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
  
 Florian, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
  
 Thank You,
  
 Ed Morris
Chair
NCSG Finance Committee

  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 06:32:09 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:32:09 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Additional Observers
Message-ID: <9fdd4a6c8b19434e8f31b9be9c8f87bb@toast.net>

Hello,
  
  
 NCSG Chair Tarvainen has informed me that the Consumers Constituency is still an active candidate constituency within the NCSG. As such, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG I am required to offer the candidate constituency the opportunity to appoint or elect a member of the Finance Committee.
  
 Unless there is an objection within 48 hours of the time of this post I will do so.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Ed Morris
  
  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 06:35:54 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:35:54 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Expenditures
Message-ID: <2ad0f18f583f45a09090fd04650160f4@toast.net>

 
 Tapani,
  
 I understand that there are a few expenditures the NCSG regularly 
encounters, generally for website and database activities, that we probably 
would be aware of and make arrangements to pay.
  
 Would you please provide the details of these expenditures, including:
  
 1. The vendor involved,
 2. The amount,
 3. The frequency of payment,
 4. Next due date.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Ed Morris
  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 06:39:56 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:39:56 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC Meeting
Message-ID: <c62e6dadef0c45748ae15d8354885fe8@toast.net>

 
 Hello,
  
 It is my understanding that all Members of the Finance Committee intend to 
be in Reykjavik for the NCPH Intersessional Meeting.
  
 I would like to attempt to work with staff to schedule a face to face 
meeting of the Finance Committee, with remote participation possibilities,  
the morning of Thursday February 16th.
  
 Would all members please indicate on list their availability to attend 
such a meeting?
  
 Thank You,
  
 Ed Morris
  

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 07:08:16 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:08:16 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] fw:  Additional Observers
Message-ID: <b871dd83dcc54999a723470d51a659bb@toast.net>

Correction.
  
 Candidate constituencies are entitled to appoint or elect an Observer to the FC, not a member. If authorised by this Committee that is what the enquiry to the candidate Consumer constituency will entail.
  
 Sorry for the earlier error.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Ed Morris
  
  
  

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 From: "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 4:32 AM
To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Additional Observers   
 Hello,
    
    
   NCSG Chair Tarvainen has informed me that the Consumers Constituency is still an active candidate constituency within the NCSG. As such, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG I am required to offer the candidate constituency the opportunity to appoint or elect a member of the Finance Committee.
    
   Unless there is an objection within 48 hours of the time of this post I will do so.
    
   Thanks,
    
   Ed Morris
    
    


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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Sat Jan 21 08:57:43 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 06:57:43 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Farzaneh
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvAJSc0+C2csTSZBRQSLtK-dX5By_hcYEtUhNwndkhH+tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22a0cc3a13904eb882a2142d2fdb9f4b@toast.net>
 <CAN1qJvAJSc0+C2csTSZBRQSLtK-dX5By_hcYEtUhNwndkhH+tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65BA13CB-6E48-4E90-BFA6-8B18931081F5@toast.net>

Fantastic. Welcome to the FC!

MaryAm, would you kindly add Farzaneh to the NCSG FC list as an Observer with full posting privileges?

Thank you,

Ed Morris

> On 21 Jan 2017, at 06:12, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ed. I would be glad to join.
> 
> Farzaneh
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>  
>> As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
>>  
>> As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Financial Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
>>  
>> Farzaneth, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
>>  
>> Thank You,
>>  
>> Ed Morris
>> Chair
>> NCSG Finance Committee
>>  
>>  
> 
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Sat Jan 21 09:59:58 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:59:58 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Farzaneh
In-Reply-To: <65BA13CB-6E48-4E90-BFA6-8B18931081F5@toast.net>
References: <22a0cc3a13904eb882a2142d2fdb9f4b@toast.net>
 <CAN1qJvAJSc0+C2csTSZBRQSLtK-dX5By_hcYEtUhNwndkhH+tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <65BA13CB-6E48-4E90-BFA6-8B18931081F5@toast.net>
Message-ID: <20170121075958.o2ihhqy7iuguzzb2@tarvainen.info>

Hi Ed,

Farzaneh has been added to the FC list.

Farzaneh,

Welcome!

Tapani

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 06:57:43AM +0000, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

> Fantastic. Welcome to the FC!
> 
> MaryAm, would you kindly add Farzaneh to the NCSG FC list as an Observer with full posting privileges?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ed Morris
> 
> > On 21 Jan 2017, at 06:12, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Ed. I would be glad to join.
> > 
> > Farzaneh
> > 
> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
> >> Hi Farzaneh,
> >>  
> >> As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
> >>  
> >> As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Financial Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
> >>  
> >> Farzaneth, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
> >>  
> >> Thank You,
> >>  
> >> Ed Morris
> >> Chair
> >> NCSG Finance Committee


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Sat Jan 21 10:04:54 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 10:04:54 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Expenditures
In-Reply-To: <2ad0f18f583f45a09090fd04650160f4@toast.net>
References: <2ad0f18f583f45a09090fd04650160f4@toast.net>
Message-ID: <20170121080454.rszri2ivldrkvrpl@tarvainen.info>

Hi Ed,

I will get you full details a bit later, but as a brief summary, there
are at present only two such expenditures:

(1) NCSG.IS domain registration, until now paid for by Avri Doria;

(2) New member database / website project, paid for by ICANN; this is
not really regular yet, it's still under development and doesn't have
fixed payment schedule, but it should move to maintenance mode this
year.

Tapani

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:35:54PM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

>  
>  Tapani,
>   
>  I understand that there are a few expenditures the NCSG regularly 
> encounters, generally for website and database activities, that we probably 
> would be aware of and make arrangements to pay.
>   
>  Would you please provide the details of these expenditures, including:
>   
>  1. The vendor involved,
>  2. The amount,
>  3. The frequency of payment,
>  4. Next due date.
>   
>  Thanks,
>   
>  Ed Morris


From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 08:11:44 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:11:44 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Farzaneh
In-Reply-To: <22a0cc3a13904eb882a2142d2fdb9f4b@toast.net>
References: <22a0cc3a13904eb882a2142d2fdb9f4b@toast.net>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvAJSc0+C2csTSZBRQSLtK-dX5By_hcYEtUhNwndkhH+tw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ed. I would be glad to join.

Farzaneh

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:

> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It
> is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key
> and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
>
> As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the
> Financial Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies
> to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to
> appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with
> full posting privileges.
>
> Farzaneth, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing
> to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Ed Morris
> Chair
> NCSG Finance Committee
>
>
>
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From floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 10:45:14 2017
From: floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com (Florian Daniel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:45:14 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Florian
In-Reply-To: <7f1f6ed2d6264cd9bbb5ea623f9b2850@toast.net>
References: <7f1f6ed2d6264cd9bbb5ea623f9b2850@toast.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ+KsOew-OCQBY3WJoG_KtKtqj7n4H8XGxZFm2D4H9s4Fvw0TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ed,

congratulations first of all for getting selected to the FC! I am really
happy to hear, that you want to revitalise the FC, which is why I am glad
to be asked to join the FC as an Observer!
Hopefully I can be a helping hand from time to time. I will try my best.

Thank you very much Ed!

Best,

Florian

Florian DANIEL

Sonnenweg 6
4280 K?nigswiesen
floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
+43660 36 80 504


On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:

> Hi Florian,
>
> As you may know, I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance
> Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to
> make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
>
> As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the
> Financial Committee. When appointing me to the NCSG Finance Committee the
> NCUC Executive Committee appointed you to serve as my alternate. Although
> the position of alternate does not appear in the NCSG Charter, at my
> request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing
> you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
>
> Florian, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing
> to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Ed Morris
> Chair
> NCSG Finance Committee
>
>
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From klaus.stoll at pathfindershub.org  Mon Jan 23 17:25:55 2017
From: klaus.stoll at pathfindershub.org (Klaus Stoll)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:25:55 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Klaus
In-Reply-To: <befec9d64d344326abca6dd8ca15eca4@toast.net>
References: <befec9d64d344326abca6dd8ca15eca4@toast.net>
Message-ID: <b26c9330-08c7-57e1-0958-a9b0c51745c9@pathfindershub.org>

Dear Ed

Thank you for your kind offer. I accept.

Yours

Klaus


On 1/21/2017 5:19 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
> Hi Klaus,
>
> As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance 
> Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, 
> to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
>
> As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the 
> Finance Committee and would like to work closely with our 
> Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the 
> FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on 
> our mailing list with full posting privileges.
>
> Klaus, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing 
> to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Ed Morris
> Chair
> NCSG Finance Committee

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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Jan 25 01:23:20 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 01:23:20 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Fwd: [community-finance] FY18 SO/AC Additional Budget
 Requests - SUBMISSION DEADLINE EXTENDED TO 10 FEBRUARY 2017
Message-ID: <20170124232320.j6ftwcbh3t3stfml@tarvainen.info>

FYI.

----- Forwarded message from ICANN-Controller <controller at icann.org> -----

Dear Community Members and Leaders,



Please note that the deadline to submit the FY18 SO/AC Additional
Budget Requests has been extended from 30 January 2017 to 10 February
2017. The relevant documents have also been updated on the Finance
Community Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=63153499[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pages_viewpage.action-3FpageId-3D63153499&d=DgMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=4Iim212UUNP-t0vSOR3BGtPtlRaoVojuhqjZxiXRzEA&m=rvOZb0ZFuQtrEI67uDPUyNKwTA7l5ZZO2FSHt5jEEdc&s=PB30qCra9U7get-ZzemLiwVU_U4fI8BorQrnircv_v0&e=>.
The revised timeline is reflected below.



Timeline

Start

End

Status

Kick off and Submission period

12/15/2016

2/10/2017

In progress

Preliminary review of requests by ICANN staff

2/13/2017

3/10/2017

On target

SO/AC consultations at ICANN 58 (by request, during Constituents' Day)

3/11/2017

3/16/2017

On target

Final assessments and recommendations by ICANN staff

3/20/2017

4/14/2017

On target

ICANN Board review and approval at May Board meeting

5/15/2017

5/31/2017

On target





If you have questions, please email us at controller at icann.org<mailto:controller at icann.org>.



Regards,



ICANN Staff

----- End forwarded message -----


From egmorris1 at toast.net  Thu Jan 26 14:58:56 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:58:56 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-FC] Treasurer
Message-ID: <B12EA0E2-B642-4988-9DB6-782D0186C064@toast.net>

Hi Farzi,

As I continue to revamp the NCSG Finance Committee, I wanted to reach out to all those involved with matters financial in the noncommercial community. Thank you for agreeing to join the FC as an Observer; I'm sure you'll make a big difference here as you do everywhere you volunteer!

In reviewing the NCUC list since the new administration was activated, I'm unable to find a NCUC appointment of a Secretary-Treasurer (ST) for the current year, per section E1 of the NCUC Bylaws. I also have not found any evidence of anyone carrying out the responsibilities of the ST as specified in sections E2, E3 and E4 of the NCUC Bylaws. As someone very much involved in assuring SOAC accountability through your amazing work in the CCWG-Accountability I'm sure you agree with me that transparency in all we do is quite important. Under your leadership this NCUC EC has been the most open
and active in recent memory. I'm sure this ST matter is a mere oversight, of the EC or mine!

If I missed something and the NCUC EC has appointed a ST this year if you could led me know who it is I would like to invite that individual to join us as an Observer on the NCSG Finance Committee. I was going to invite Dr. Milton Mueller, as he has served the community as the ST volunteer in past years, but as I searched the archives for recent NCUC financial records I have been unable to find either any recent financial reports for the NCUC or any ST appointment by the EC. As Dr. Mueller  is no longer on the NCUC EC as the regional representative for North America, and the work required of the ST is not in evidence, I did not know if the ST position had been filled by someone else and, if so, by whom. The ST role is one of great importance and little reward. I've always been appreciative of those who have taken on this responsibility in the past.

As you are aware from recent discussion on this NCSG FC list there has been a close relationship between the NCSG and NCUC in matters financial, including, apparently, the borrowing of bank accounts in an apparently nontransparent manner. We need to fix that. You are also aware that the NCSG has some recurring expenses, some of which will be coming due soon, and no funds to pay for them. Although I will be submitting a Supplemental budgetary request to ICANN for these monies, as Sam has noted there is a full history here regarding NCSG finances that we on the FC are largely unaware of. Hopefully the current NCUC ST, or the one you appoint, will be able to help us fill in the historical data we are so lacking.

Farzi, thank you for your help with this. It's sometimes difficult to wake up structures that have largely been moribund, such as the NCSG FC. With everyone pulling together I hope we'll be able to create a functioning NCSG FC that, working in collaboration with our Constituencies and the NCSG Chair and EC, will help create a stronger independent voice for noncommercial concerns at ICANN.

Kind Regards,

Ed Morris
Chair, NCSG Finance Committee
NCSG Treasurer


Sent from my iPhone


From egmorris1 at toast.net  Thu Jan 26 15:46:14 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:46:14 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Klaus
In-Reply-To: <b26c9330-08c7-57e1-0958-a9b0c51745c9@pathfindershub.org>
References: <befec9d64d344326abca6dd8ca15eca4@toast.net>
 <b26c9330-08c7-57e1-0958-a9b0c51745c9@pathfindershub.org>
Message-ID: <ba631625a7ae4a92b4cf5add4c994ef6@toast.net>

Hi Klaus,
  
 Fantastic!
  
 MaryAm or Tapani: Will you please add Klaus to the FC list? Thank you!
  
 You may want to take a look at the archives to see what we've been doing recently: https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/ .
  
 Thanks or joining us Klaus. I look forward to working with you!
  
 Best,
  
 Ed Morris
  
  

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 From: "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at pathfindershub.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:34 PM
To: egmorris1 at toast.net, ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: Re: An invitation to Klaus   

Dear Ed  

Thank you for your kind offer. I accept.  

Yours  

Klaus    On 1/21/2017 5:19 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
   
 Hi Klaus,   As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.   As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Finance Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.   Klaus, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.   Thank You,   Ed Morris Chair NCSG Finance Committee
  

 

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From egmorris1 at toast.net  Thu Jan 26 15:49:35 2017
From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:49:35 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Florian
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+KsOew-OCQBY3WJoG_KtKtqj7n4H8XGxZFm2D4H9s4Fvw0TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f1f6ed2d6264cd9bbb5ea623f9b2850@toast.net>
 <CAJ+KsOew-OCQBY3WJoG_KtKtqj7n4H8XGxZFm2D4H9s4Fvw0TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <246412a216a34ac78dded98259b8c28e@toast.net>

 Hi Florian,
  
 That's great news! I'm so excited to have one of our newer members express an interest in financial matters in the NCSG and in ICANN. I find the later to be fascinating and the former: we're really creating something pretty new. I'm so happy to have you on board.
  
 MaryAm or Tapani: Will you please add Florian to the FC list? Thank you!
  
 You may want to take a look at the archives to see what we've been doing recently: https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/ .
  
 Thanks or joining us Florian. I look forward to working with you!
  
 Best,
  
 Ed Morris

  
  
  

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 From: "Florian Daniel" <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:45 AM
To: egmorris1 at toast.net
Cc: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: Re: An invitation to Florian   
 Hi Ed,

congratulations first of all for getting selected to the FC! I am really happy to hear, that you want to revitalise the FC, which is why I am glad to be asked to join the FC as an Observer! 
Hopefully I can be a helping hand from time to time. I will try my best.

Thank you very much Ed!

Best,

Florian
     Florian DANIEL

Sonnenweg 6
4280 K?nigswiesen
floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
+43660 36 80 504 
 

   On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:    Hi Florian, 
  
 As you may know, I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
  
 As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Financial Committee. When appointing me to the NCSG Finance Committee the NCUC Executive Committee appointed you to serve as my alternate. Although the position of alternate does not appear in the NCSG Charter, at my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
  
 Florian, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
  
 Thank You,
  
 Ed Morris
Chair
NCSG Finance Committee

  


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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Thu Jan 26 16:26:41 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:26:41 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Klaus
In-Reply-To: <246412a216a34ac78dded98259b8c28e@toast.net>
 <ba631625a7ae4a92b4cf5add4c994ef6@toast.net>
Message-ID: <20170126142641.n5luqxzdfyxmlwqi@tarvainen.info>

Hi Ed,

Klaus and Florian have been added to the list.

Klaus, Florian: welcome!

Tapani

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 08:46:14AM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
>  Fantastic!
> 
>  MaryAm or Tapani: Will you please add Klaus to the FC list? Thank you!
> 
>  You may want to take a look at the archives to see what we've been doing recently: https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/ .
> 
>  Thanks or joining us Klaus. I look forward to working with you!
> 
>  Best,
> 
>  Ed Morris
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
>  From: "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at pathfindershub.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:34 PM
> To: egmorris1 at toast.net, ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> Subject: Re: An invitation to Klaus
> 
> Dear Ed
> 
> Thank you for your kind offer. I accept.
> 
> Yours
> 
> Klaus    On 1/21/2017 5:19 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
> 
>  Hi Klaus,   As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.   As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Finance Committee and would like to work closely with our Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.   Klaus, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.   Thank You,   Ed Morris Chair NCSG Finance Committee
> 
> 
> 
> 

> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc


On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 08:49:35AM -0500, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Florian
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:49:35 -0500
> From: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
> To: Florian Daniel <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com>
> Cc: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> Reply-To: egmorris1 at toast.net, NCSG Finance Committee
>  <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> List-Id: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc.lists.ncsg.is>
> X-Plus-tag: ncsg#tapani.tarvainen.info
> X-tt-Delivered: 
> X-tt-note: Saved in =Lists/ncsg/ncsg-fc-Jan2017
> 
>  Hi Florian,
> 
>  That's great news! I'm so excited to have one of our newer members express an interest in financial matters in the NCSG and in ICANN. I find the later to be fascinating and the former: we're really creating something pretty new. I'm so happy to have you on board.
> 
>  MaryAm or Tapani: Will you please add Florian to the FC list? Thank you!
> 
>  You may want to take a look at the archives to see what we've been doing recently: https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/ .
> 
>  Thanks or joining us Florian. I look forward to working with you!
> 
>  Best,
> 
>  Ed Morris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
>  From: "Florian Daniel" <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:45 AM
> To: egmorris1 at toast.net
> Cc: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> Subject: Re: An invitation to Florian
>  Hi Ed,
> 
> congratulations first of all for getting selected to the FC! I am really happy to hear, that you want to revitalise the FC, which is why I am glad to be asked to join the FC as an Observer!
> Hopefully I can be a helping hand from time to time. I will try my best.
> 
> Thank you very much Ed!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Florian
>      Florian DANIEL
> 
> Sonnenweg 6
> 4280 K?nigswiesen
> floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
> +43660 36 80 504
> 
> 
>    On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:    Hi Florian,
> 
>  As you may know, I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
> 
>  As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the Financial Committee. When appointing me to the NCSG Finance Committee the NCUC Executive Committee appointed you to serve as my alternate. Although the position of alternate does not appear in the NCSG Charter, at my request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
> 
>  Florian, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
> 
>  Thank You,
> 
>  Ed Morris
> Chair
> NCSG Finance Committee


From floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 17:24:17 2017
From: floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com (Florian Daniel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:24:17 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Klaus
In-Reply-To: <20170126142641.n5luqxzdfyxmlwqi@tarvainen.info>
References: <246412a216a34ac78dded98259b8c28e@toast.net>
 <ba631625a7ae4a92b4cf5add4c994ef6@toast.net>
 <20170126142641.n5luqxzdfyxmlwqi@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAJ+KsOe1yA2JeXjeaGjSy3OeRgiYOb2yj9Tn1WJBBFsTJrT1gw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everybody,

it is awesome to be on board. Thanks Tapani for adding me.
I already checked through the archive, and I am really looking forward to
the coming discussions!


Best,

Florian

Florian DANIEL

Sonnenweg 6
4280 K?nigswiesen
floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
+43660 36 80 504


On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <
ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Klaus and Florian have been added to the list.
>
> Klaus, Florian: welcome!
>
> Tapani
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 08:46:14AM -0500, Edward Morris (
> egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:
>
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> >  Fantastic!
> >
> >  MaryAm or Tapani: Will you please add Klaus to the FC list? Thank you!
> >
> >  You may want to take a look at the archives to see what we've been
> doing recently: https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/ .
> >
> >  Thanks or joining us Klaus. I look forward to working with you!
> >
> >  Best,
> >
> >  Ed Morris
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >  From: "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at pathfindershub.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:34 PM
> > To: egmorris1 at toast.net, ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> > Subject: Re: An invitation to Klaus
> >
> > Dear Ed
> >
> > Thank you for your kind offer. I accept.
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > Klaus    On 1/21/2017 5:19 AM, Edward Morris wrote:
> >
> >  Hi Klaus,   As you know I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG
> Finance Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the
> FC, to make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at
> ICANN.   As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in
> the Finance Committee and would like to work closely with our
> Constituencies to maximize the potential of the FC. At my request, the FC
> has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing you on our
> mailing list with full posting privileges.   Klaus, we hope you?ll join us.
> Please let us know if  you?d be willing to join the FC as an Observer, per
> ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.   Thank You,   Ed Morris Chair NCSG Finance
> Committee
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-FC mailing list
> > NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 08:49:35AM -0500, Edward Morris (
> egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] An invitation to Florian
> > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:49:35 -0500
> > From: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
> > To: Florian Daniel <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> > Reply-To: egmorris1 at toast.net, NCSG Finance Committee
> >  <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > List-Id: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc.lists.ncsg.is>
> > X-Plus-tag: ncsg#tapani.tarvainen.info
> > X-tt-Delivered:
> > X-tt-note: Saved in =Lists/ncsg/ncsg-fc-Jan2017
> >
> >  Hi Florian,
> >
> >  That's great news! I'm so excited to have one of our newer members
> express an interest in financial matters in the NCSG and in ICANN. I find
> the later to be fascinating and the former: we're really creating something
> pretty new. I'm so happy to have you on board.
> >
> >  MaryAm or Tapani: Will you please add Florian to the FC list? Thank you!
> >
> >  You may want to take a look at the archives to see what we've been
> doing recently: https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-fc/ .
> >
> >  Thanks or joining us Florian. I look forward to working with you!
> >
> >  Best,
> >
> >  Ed Morris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >  From: "Florian Daniel" <floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:45 AM
> > To: egmorris1 at toast.net
> > Cc: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
> > Subject: Re: An invitation to Florian
> >  Hi Ed,
> >
> > congratulations first of all for getting selected to the FC! I am really
> happy to hear, that you want to revitalise the FC, which is why I am glad
> to be asked to join the FC as an Observer!
> > Hopefully I can be a helping hand from time to time. I will try my best.
> >
> > Thank you very much Ed!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Florian
> >      Florian DANIEL
> >
> > Sonnenweg 6
> > 4280 K?nigswiesen
> > floriandaniel1995 at gmail.com
> > +43660 36 80 504
> >
> >
> >    On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
> wrote:    Hi Florian,
> >
> >  As you may know, I was recently elected Chair of the NCSG Finance
> Committee. It is my hope during the coming year to revitalize the FC, to
> make it a key and productive part of noncommercial activities at ICANN.
> >
> >  As part of this initiative I hope to get more people involved in the
> Financial Committee. When appointing me to the NCSG Finance Committee the
> NCUC Executive Committee appointed you to serve as my alternate. Although
> the position of alternate does not appear in the NCSG Charter, at my
> request, the FC has agreed to appoint you as an Observer to the FC, placing
> you on our mailing list with full posting privileges.
> >
> >  Florian, we hope you?ll join us. Please let us know if  you?d be
> willing to join the FC as an Observer, per ?2.6.6 of the NCSG Charter.
> >
> >  Thank You,
> >
> >  Ed Morris
> > Chair
> > NCSG Finance Committee
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc
>
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