From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Mon Apr 24 18:09:52 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:09:52 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Message-ID: <20170424150952.hozsxmftmi76qvtp@tarvainen.info> Dear FC, If we want to have a meeting in Johannesburg, we need to request one now, or more precisely by Wednesday. Jo'burg is a Policy Forum and we've been encouraged to concentrate on policy-centered meetings, but we can of course ask anyway. -- Tapani Tarvainen From egmorris1 at toast.net Tue Apr 25 18:47:56 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:47:56 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? In-Reply-To: <20170424150952.hozsxmftmi76qvtp@tarvainen.info> References: <20170424150952.hozsxmftmi76qvtp@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Tapani, all, First, a doodle poll will go out shortly to FC members in an attempt to schedule a meeting in early May. April understandably was a tough month schedule wise for many of us. Hopefully we can pick up where we left off in Reykjavik and progress in establishing the FC as a viable part of the NCSG. MaryAm, would it be possible to post to this list links to whatever exists (audio, transcripts) of the NCSG FC meetings in Reykjavik and Copenhagen? Thank you. The NCSG Charter gives this Committee the responsibility of working ?with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN?. The transition has changed many things in ICANN, arguably more so in the area of Finance as any other. Article 22 of the ICANN Bylaws details the new environment in which budget, operating and strategic plans now exist. You will note that all community powers in this regard flow directly to the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees. In order to ensure that the NCSG, NCUC and NPOC are treated fairly and equitably by ICANN we need to ensure that the GNSO itself is treated fairly and equitably. In analyzing the proposed FY18 ICANN Operating Plan and Budget it is clear to me that the GNSO has NOT been treated fairly and equitably in the budget process. Senior staff assigned to the GNSO has let it be known that other communities are more effective at lobbying ICANN for money than we are. The reference in this years GNSO Council comment on the budget to having had past comments ignored is quite accurate. To date, the only unified GNSO effort on the budget has been the yearly Council budget public comment. It?s been a weak effort, done in a rushed way by one or two Councilors working with staff. This simply is not sufficient. Under our new governance model it is the SO, not individual SG?s or C?s, with budgetary power in the Empowered Community. The component parts of the GNSO, SGs/Cs/Council, need to start working together and with staff to ensure that the GNSO and its component parts are treated fairly in the budget process. The only way to ensure that the NCSG is treated fairly and equitably in receiving financial support rom ICANN is to ensure the same is true for the GNSO. Towards that end I would like to propose that the NCSG FC request a 90 minutes meeting slot to host our colleagues from throughout the GNSO in a budget summit. Let us bring together staff, those in the community who focus on Finance, leadership, and sort out a method and plan for moving forward together more effectively in the FY19 budget cycle. The time to plan and get involved is now, not after the initial budget has been proposed. I?m happy to take the lead in organizing this. To be effective, though, we?d need a time slot where we?re not opposed by SG or C meetings elsewhere. Late better than early. It should be a priority ? other entities in the community certainly make receiving support from ICANN one of theirs. If we don?t want to continue to be short changed we need to make it one of ours. Best, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:10 PM To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Dear FC, If we want to have a meeting in Johannesburg, we need to request one now, or more precisely by Wednesday. Jo'burg is a Policy Forum and we've been encouraged to concentrate on policy-centered meetings, but we can of course ask anyway. -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lanfran at yorku.ca Tue Apr 25 18:56:06 2017 From: lanfran at yorku.ca (Sam Lanfranco) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:56:06 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? In-Reply-To: References: <20170424150952.hozsxmftmi76qvtp@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: All, Just a quick reminder. I am not among the NPOC contingent going to Johannesburg, so I will do what I can from afar. Sam L. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org Wed Apr 26 21:39:06 2017 From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:39:06 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: FC meeting in Johannesburg? In-Reply-To: References: <20170424150952.hozsxmftmi76qvtp@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: <183FC844-14F3-40F6-8D39-ED1958E16CDE@icann.org> Dear Ed, The link to the recording for the Copengahen, meeting can be found here: https://community.icann.org/x/sB3xAg and, for Reykjavik, here: https://community.icann.org/x/yyPxAg Many thanks, -- Maryam Bakoshi Secretariat Support ? NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) S: maryam.bakoshi.icann T: +44 7737698036 From: NCSG-FC on behalf of Edward Morris Reply-To: "egmorris1 at toast.net" , NCSG Finance Committee Date: Tuesday, 25 April 2017 at 16:47 To: "ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is" Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Tapani, all, First, a doodle poll will go out shortly to FC members in an attempt to schedule a meeting in early May. April understandably was a tough month schedule wise for many of us. Hopefully we can pick up where we left off in Reykjavik and progress in establishing the FC as a viable part of the NCSG. MaryAm, would it be possible to post to this list links to whatever exists (audio, transcripts) of the NCSG FC meetings in Reykjavik and Copenhagen? Thank you. The NCSG Charter gives this Committee the responsibility of working ?with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN?. The transition has changed many things in ICANN, arguably more so in the area of Finance as any other. Article 22 of the ICANN Bylaws details the new environment in which budget, operating and strategic plans now exist. You will note that all community powers in this regard flow directly to the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees. In order to ensure that the NCSG, NCUC and NPOC are treated fairly and equitably by ICANN we need to ensure that the GNSO itself is treated fairly and equitably. In analyzing the proposed FY18 ICANN Operating Plan and Budget it is clear to me that the GNSO has NOT been treated fairly and equitably in the budget process. Senior staff assigned to the GNSO has let it be known that other communities are more effective at lobbying ICANN for money than we are. The reference in this years GNSO Council comment on the budget to having had past comments ignored is quite accurate. To date, the only unified GNSO effort on the budget has been the yearly Council budget public comment. It?s been a weak effort, done in a rushed way by one or two Councilors working with staff. This simply is not sufficient. Under our new governance model it is the SO, not individual SG?s or C?s, with budgetary power in the Empowered Community. The component parts of the GNSO, SGs/Cs/Council, need to start working together and with staff to ensure that the GNSO and its component parts are treated fairly in the budget process. The only way to ensure that the NCSG is treated fairly and equitably in receiving financial support rom ICANN is to ensure the same is true for the GNSO. Towards that end I would like to propose that the NCSG FC request a 90 minutes meeting slot to host our colleagues from throughout the GNSO in a budget summit. Let us bring together staff, those in the community who focus on Finance, leadership, and sort out a method and plan for moving forward together more effectively in the FY19 budget cycle. The time to plan and get involved is now, not after the initial budget has been proposed. I?m happy to take the lead in organizing this. To be effective, though, we?d need a time slot where we?re not opposed by SG or C meetings elsewhere. Late better than early. It should be a priority ? other entities in the community certainly make receiving support from ICANN one of theirs. If we don?t want to continue to be short changed we need to make it one of ours. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:10 PM To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Dear FC, If we want to have a meeting in Johannesburg, we need to request one now, or more precisely by Wednesday. Jo'burg is a Policy Forum and we've been encouraged to concentrate on policy-centered meetings, but we can of course ask anyway. -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmorris1 at toast.net Wed Apr 26 21:38:31 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:38:31 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposal Message-ID: <063d79dc13b546a29a3b637ea3aec031@toast.net> Hi, Here's what I propose as the short summary for the budget "summit", hosted by the NCSG FC: - Recognising that Community powers with the budget are placed within the remit of the SO/AC's, the NCSG FC would like to host a meeting of all GNSO stakeholders interested in ICANN finance to discuss and plan a path forward that would enable the GNSO to better work together in a more unified way while participating in the planning process for the ICANN budget and OP's. GNSO and SG/C leadership will be invited to participate in the meeting as well as volunteers whose ICANN focus includes a remit in finance. - To fully enable the community powers relating to the budget under the transition reforms, all SG's and C's need to work together, where possible, through the GNSO to fully maximise their potential. If there is support for the idea I'd be very happy to see the GNSO create an equivalent of the CCNSO"s Strategic and Operational Planning working group. This, of course, would be in addition to anything done at the SG/C level and, if done properly, should strengthen those efforts. Kind Regards, Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egmorris1 at toast.net Wed Apr 26 21:41:32 2017 From: egmorris1 at toast.net (Edward Morris) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:41:32 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-FC] [Ext] Re: FC meeting in Johannesburg? In-Reply-To: <183FC844-14F3-40F6-8D39-ED1958E16CDE@icann.org> References: <20170424150952.hozsxmftmi76qvtp@tarvainen.info> <183FC844-14F3-40F6-8D39-ED1958E16CDE@icann.org> Message-ID: Thanks MaryAm. ---------------------------------------- From: "Maryam Bakoshi" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:39 PM To: "egmorris1 at toast.net" , "NCSG Finance Committee" Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Dear Ed, The link to the recording for the Copengahen, meeting can be found here: https://community.icann.org/x/sB3xAg and, for Reykjavik, here: https://community.icann.org/x/yyPxAg Many thanks, -- Maryam Bakoshi Secretariat Support ? NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) S: maryam.bakoshi.icann T: +44 7737698036 From: NCSG-FC on behalf of Edward Morris Reply-To: "egmorris1 at toast.net" , NCSG Finance Committee Date: Tuesday, 25 April 2017 at 16:47 To: "ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is" Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Tapani, all, First, a doodle poll will go out shortly to FC members in an attempt to schedule a meeting in early May. April understandably was a tough month schedule wise for many of us. Hopefully we can pick up where we left off in Reykjavik and progress in establishing the FC as a viable part of the NCSG. MaryAm, would it be possible to post to this list links to whatever exists (audio, transcripts) of the NCSG FC meetings in Reykjavik and Copenhagen? Thank you. The NCSG Charter gives this Committee the responsibility of working ?with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN?. The transition has changed many things in ICANN, arguably more so in the area of Finance as any other. Article 22 of the ICANN Bylaws details the new environment in which budget, operating and strategic plans now exist. You will note that all community powers in this regard flow directly to the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees. In order to ensure that the NCSG, NCUC and NPOC are treated fairly and equitably by ICANN we need to ensure that the GNSO itself is treated fairly and equitably. In analyzing the proposed FY18 ICANN Operating Plan and Budget it is clear to me that the GNSO has NOT been treated fairly and equitably in the budget process. Senior staff assigned to the GNSO has let it be known that other communities are more effective at lobbying ICANN for money than we are. The reference in this years GNSO Council comment on the budget to having had past comments ignored is quite accurate. To date, the only unified GNSO effort on the budget has been the yearly Council budget public comment. It?s been a weak effort, done in a rushed way by one or two Councilors working with staff. This simply is not sufficient. Under our new governance model it is the SO, not individual SG?s or C?s, with budgetary power in the Empowered Community. The component parts of the GNSO, SGs/Cs/Council, need to start working together and with staff to ensure that the GNSO and its component parts are treated fairly in the budget process. The only way to ensure that the NCSG is treated fairly and equitably in receiving financial support rom ICANN is to ensure the same is true for the GNSO. Towards that end I would like to propose that the NCSG FC request a 90 minutes meeting slot to host our colleagues from throughout the GNSO in a budget summit. Let us bring together staff, those in the community who focus on Finance, leadership, and sort out a method and plan for moving forward together more effectively in the FY19 budget cycle. The time to plan and get involved is now, not after the initial budget has been proposed. I?m happy to take the lead in organizing this. To be effective, though, we?d need a time slot where we?re not opposed by SG or C meetings elsewhere. Late better than early. It should be a priority ? other entities in the community certainly make receiving support from ICANN one of theirs. If we don?t want to continue to be short changed we need to make it one of ours. Best, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:10 PM To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is Subject: [NCSG-FC] FC meeting in Johannesburg? Dear FC, If we want to have a meeting in Johannesburg, we need to request one now, or more precisely by Wednesday. Jo'burg is a Policy Forum and we've been encouraged to concentrate on policy-centered meetings, but we can of course ask anyway. -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ NCSG-FC mailing list NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Attachment 1 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 12547 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Wed Apr 26 22:03:07 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:03:07 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-FC] Proposal In-Reply-To: <063d79dc13b546a29a3b637ea3aec031@toast.net> References: <063d79dc13b546a29a3b637ea3aec031@toast.net> Message-ID: <20170426190307.gmadxtsgvsqmftxd@tarvainen.info> Hi Ed, That looks good to me. As deadline for meeting requests is today I'll put it in without further ado, we'll see if they can find timeslot for it (may be difficult, the schedule is packed, but let's hope for the best). Tapani On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 02:38:31PM -0400, Edward Morris (egmorris1 at toast.net) wrote: > > Hi, > > Here's what I propose as the short summary for the budget "summit", hosted > by the NCSG FC: > > - > Recognising that Community powers with the budget are placed within the > remit of the SO/AC's, the NCSG FC would like to host a meeting of all GNSO > stakeholders interested in ICANN finance to discuss and plan a path forward > that would enable the GNSO to better work together in a more unified way > while participating in the planning process for the ICANN budget and OP's. > GNSO and SG/C leadership will be invited to participate in the meeting as > well as volunteers whose ICANN focus includes a remit in finance. > - > > To fully enable the community powers relating to the budget under the > transition reforms, all SG's and C's need to work together, where possible, > through the GNSO to fully maximise their potential. If there is support for > the idea I'd be very happy to see the GNSO create an equivalent of the > CCNSO"s Strategic and Operational Planning working group. This, of course, > would be in addition to anything done at the SG/C level and, if done > properly, should strengthen those efforts. > > Kind Regards, > > Ed > >