[NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: 2024 NCSG Election Ballot Review

Tue May 28 23:04:01 EEST 2024

I'm taking the view that since no rule or charter backs us from stopping
her to run for two positions at the same time, we should stick to the
charter as much as possible.
In the case that she wins both seat, we will ask her to choose one and then
defer back to the charter to guide us on either option of appointment or
election to fill the seat that will be left vacant.

IMO : I think when Rox applied, she probably did not know she was involved
in both.
However, Andrea can ask her if she prefers one to the other but not asking
to withdraw from both. I this case she we reference the charter that says
yes she can run for both but a nice to have is her making her preference
known.

Excuse typos

On Tue, May 28, 2024, 2:35 PM Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> I'm not sure the EC can make such a decision. I'd have to
> reread the charter, probably such a *rule* could be made
> for the future but making one up for one case at this late
> stage would be... not good optics at any rate. It would
> rather too much look like a bill of attainder, targeted
> at a specific person.
>
> So in this instance I think we'll have to leave it up to her,
> but it would be a good idea to have a clear rule in force
> by the next election.
>
> Tapani
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 05:22:03PM +0200, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC (
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> >
> > Indeed, we don't have any rule against it. It is her choice - unless the
> > EC makes a decision against it. Farzaneh, Bruna or I can't be part of
> > that decision.
> >
> >       Julf
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2024 17:17, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I checked charters here and did not find anything that states she
> couldn't run for two positions. I am happy to ask her anything that you all
> would like to know. Please note, she is in Australia and may not answer
> before the ballots need to be sent.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/28/24, 10:14, "NCSG-EC on behalf of Johan Helsingius via
> NCSG-EC" <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:
> ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It is pretty much Andrea who is running the elections. I can talk
> > > to her.
> > >
> > >
> > > Julf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28/05/2024 17:11, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> > > > I dont think there should be an if, Julf. I believe it's good common
> > > > sense that you should not run to two positions all at once since it
> > > > stops others from doing so.
> > > >
> > > > I know i'm also a candidate and shouldnt be meddling with
> > > > election-related affairs but in case we have someone else other than
> you
> > > > chairing the elections this time, this person could then speak to
> > > > Razoana and ask her to withdraw one of the candidacies before we
> confirm
> > > > the ballots. Im also thinking about Emmanuel, who kindly withdrew his
> > > > candidacy on behalf of other candidates and with a lot of respect.
> > > > Looking at the current elections from his perspective makes me think
> > > > that its rather unfair that someone is running for two positions all
> at
> > > > once.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > B
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 5:00 PM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC
> > > > <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> <mailto:
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think we should verify with her that if she gets elected to
> > > > both positions, she would have to choose between them.
> > > >
> > > > Julf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 28/05/2024 15:55, Bruna Martins dos Santos via NCSG-EC wrote:
> > > > > Dear Andrea and all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wanted to raise to your attention the fact that Razoana is
> > > > > running - at the same time - for a position at the NCUC EC and GNSO
> > > > > council. We previously had an internal understanding that no one
> > > > should
> > > > > occupy more than one leadership position in NCSG or in NCSG and
> > > > > elsewhere and I believe this should be the approach here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand I'm no longer a member of the EC but would like for
> > > > the EC
> > > > > to have a proper discussion, together w/ NCUC EC, on this issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > kind regards,
> > > > > Bruna
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:49 PM Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC
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> > > > >
> > > > > Dear all,____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > Please find below for your review the ballot for the 2024 NCSG
> > > > > leadership elections. Ballots will go out on 29 May 2024 (00:00
> > > > > UTC).____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > NCSG Election 2024____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:____
> > > > >
> > > > > **NCSG Chair**____
> > > > >
> > > > > [chair] Benjamin Akinmoyeje____
> > > > >
> > > > > [chair] Rafik Dammak____
> > > > >
> > > > > [chair] Abstain____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > **GNSO Council**____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > There are three vacant council positions. You may select up
> > > > to three
> > > > > candidates or you may abstain from selecting a candidate if you
> > > > > wish.____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council 1] Bruna Martins dos Santos____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council 1] Abstain____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council2] Farzaneh Badii____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council2] Abstain____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council3] Hago Dafalla____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council3] Abstain____
> > > > >
> > > > > __ __
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council4] Julf Helsingius____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council4] Abstain____
> > > > >
> > > > > __ __
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council5] Razoana Moslam____
> > > > >
> > > > > [Council5] Abstain____
> > > > >
> > > > > __ __
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > IMPORTANT NOTES:____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. You can change your vote until the deadline on 05 June, 23:59
> > > > > UTC. Only the last selection will be counted.____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. There are three vacant council positions. You may select up to
> > > > > three candidates or you may abstain from selecting a candidate if
> > > > > you wish.____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. You will receive several reminders during the election
> > > > with the
> > > > > same link to your ballot. The weight of your vote is indicated in
> > > > > the ballot (1 for individual, 2 for small organization and 4 for
> > > > > large organization).____
> > > > >
> > > > > ____
> > > > >
> > > > > __ __
> > > > >
> > > > > __ __
> > > > >
> > > > > *Andrea Glandon*____
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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