From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 07:29:25 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:29:25 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
In-Reply-To: <c64f45a5-9af9-0b5f-90dc-68b15122dad4@Julf.com>
References: <78F94D6E-DD14-4EBE-8254-BC54640C5E57@icann.org>
 <c64f45a5-9af9-0b5f-90dc-68b15122dad4@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWt2Oh0UWFCcgyB-HvPn+RWrYYq=t0R9DWWB2yOW8p-kA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Julf. I am sure we'll get there in Washington DC.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 05:39, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
> Date:   Wed, 31 May 2023 19:31:18 +0000
> From:   John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org>
> To:     sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>,
> julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>, lschulman at inta.org <lschulman at inta.org>
> CC:     Tripti Sinha <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, vanda at scartezini.org
> <vanda at scartezini.org>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Attached please find the 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14  is sent on
> behalf of John Jeffrey.
>
> Best,
> Peg
>
> --
>
> Peg Rettino (she/her)
>
> Project Specialist & Executive Assistant to John Jeffrey
>
> ICANN
>
> 12025 Waterfront Dr, Ste 300
>
> Los Angeles, CA 90094
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  1 09:31:02 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:31:02 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeWt2Oh0UWFCcgyB-HvPn+RWrYYq=t0R9DWWB2yOW8p-kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78F94D6E-DD14-4EBE-8254-BC54640C5E57@icann.org>
 <c64f45a5-9af9-0b5f-90dc-68b15122dad4@Julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeWt2Oh0UWFCcgyB-HvPn+RWrYYq=t0R9DWWB2yOW8p-kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c80c3f2-a549-7a1f-8b35-0c94a46d9722@Julf.com>

I just wonder where "there" will be. :)

	Julf

On 01/06/2023 06:29, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Thanks, Julf. I am sure we'll get there in Washington DC.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 05:39, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject:? ? ? ? 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
>     Date:? ?Wed, 31 May 2023 19:31:18 +0000
>     From:? ?John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
>     <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>
>     To:? ? ?sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>,
>     julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>>, lschulman at inta.org
>     <mailto:lschulman at inta.org> <lschulman at inta.org
>     <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>     CC:? ? ?Tripti Sinha <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org
>     <mailto:tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>>, vanda at scartezini.org
>     <mailto:vanda at scartezini.org>
>     <vanda at scartezini.org <mailto:vanda at scartezini.org>>
> 
> 
> 
>     Greetings,
> 
>     Attached please find the 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14 ?is
>     sent on
>     behalf of John Jeffrey.
> 
>     Best,
>     Peg
> 
>     -- 
> 
>     Peg Rettino (she/her)
> 
>     Project Specialist & Executive Assistant to John Jeffrey
> 
>     ICANN
> 
>     12025 Waterfront Dr, Ste 300
> 
>     Los Angeles, CA 90094
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  2 16:28:39 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 13:28:39 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>

Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible. 

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join. 

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


?On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
    > 
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    > 
    > 	Julf
    > 
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$ [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
    > _______________________________________________
    > NCSG-EC mailing list
    > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
    > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxfWPuufPQ$ [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]


From julf at Julf.com  Fri Jun  2 17:51:41 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 16:51:41 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
 <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
Message-ID: <4dc334ad-ede5-873b-1aa3-0555ef8e5561@Julf.com>

I am probably the least important person - it is more important
for the councillors to be there.

	Julf


On 02/06/2023 15:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.
> 
> I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.
> 
> Thanks!
> Kind Regards,
> Andrea
> 
> 
> ?On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> 
>      I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).
> 
>      Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.
> 
>      Best,
>      Robin
> 
>      > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>      >
>      > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
>      > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
>      >
>      > 	Julf
>      >
>      > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>      >> Hello all!
>      >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
>      >> Thanks!
>      >> Kind Regards,
>      >> Andrea
>      >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>      >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
>      >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
>      >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>      >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>      >> Hello all,
>      >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
>      >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>      >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
>      >> . At ICANN77:
>      >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
>      >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
>      >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
>      >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>      >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
>      >> Thank you!
>      >> *Andrea Glandon*
>      >> Policy Operations Coordinator
>      >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>      >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>      >> _______________________________________________
>      >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>      >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>      >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$ [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > NCSG-EC mailing list
>      > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
>      > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxfWPuufPQ$ [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec


From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 16:09:37 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 23:09:37 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <4dc334ad-ede5-873b-1aa3-0555ef8e5561@Julf.com>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
 <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
 <4dc334ad-ede5-873b-1aa3-0555ef8e5561@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWZoxLPchLLFyQYyFQYXBmfzh13pfN77bdWQRw08uWGDQ@mail.gmail.com>

How do you know that for sure without an agenda @Johan Helsingius
<julf at julf.com> :-)

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 at 00:51, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> I am probably the least important person - it is more important
> for the councillors to be there.
>
>         Julf
>
>
> On 02/06/2023 15:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC wrote:
> > Hello all!
> >
> > Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I
> do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is
> possible.
> >
> > I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think
> the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I
> will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Kind Regards,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> > ?On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> >
> >      I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in
> the middle of the night for me).
> >
> >      Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.
> >
> >      Best,
> >      Robin
> >
> >      > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> >      >
> >      > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
> >      > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
> >      >
> >      >        Julf
> >      >
> >      > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> >      >> Hello all!
> >      >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I
> have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are
> the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
> >      >> Thanks!
> >      >> Kind Regards,
> >      >> Andrea
> >      >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> >      >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
> >      >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> >      >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <
> daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> >      >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> >      >> Hello all,
> >      >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG.
> The agenda items are being gathered.
> >      >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
> >      >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
> >      >> . At ICANN77:
> >      >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
> >      >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
> >      >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
> >      >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
> >      >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions
> are happening during the times they have suggested above:
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
> >      >> Thank you!
> >      >> *Andrea Glandon*
> >      >> Policy Operations Coordinator
> >      >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >      >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
> >      >> _______________________________________________
> >      >> NCSG-PC mailing list
> >      >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> >      >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$
> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
> >      > _______________________________________________
> >      > NCSG-EC mailing list
> >      > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> >      >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxfWPuufPQ$
> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 16:13:30 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 23:13:30 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
 <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVN+uNmnoOP1=VDMP4a7BdgrMybxCuK-HWXxsEt6zuxsg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with
human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make
it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are
best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I
> do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is
> possible.
>
> I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think
> the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I
> will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.
>
> Thanks!
> Kind Regards,
> Andrea
>
>
> ?On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
>     I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in
> the middle of the night for me).
>
>     Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.
>
>     Best,
>     Robin
>
>     > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>     >
>     > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
>     > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
>     >
>     >   Julf
>     >
>     > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>     >> Hello all!
>     >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have
> reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the
> times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
>     >> Thanks!
>     >> Kind Regards,
>     >> Andrea
>     >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>     >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
>     >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
>     >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <
> daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>     >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>     >> Hello all,
>     >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The
> agenda items are being gathered.
>     >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>     >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
>     >> . At ICANN77:
>     >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
>     >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
>     >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
>     >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>     >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are
> happening during the times they have suggested above:
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
>     >> Thank you!
>     >> *Andrea Glandon*
>     >> Policy Operations Coordinator
>     >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>     >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>     >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun  5 16:16:17 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:16:17 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVN+uNmnoOP1=VDMP4a7BdgrMybxCuK-HWXxsEt6zuxsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
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Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun  5 16:23:50 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:23:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <0FD832D5-D1AD-4284-B93E-B3FA7149C7FC@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
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I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From julf at Julf.com  Tue Jun  6 13:41:58 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:41:58 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] EC meeting in DC?
Message-ID: <bd8d292f-20fb-3020-bb0e-a90f02b314e7@Julf.com>

We seem to have quite a backlog of membership applications again.
Should we try to squeeze in an EC meeting for approving applications
while we are in DC?

	Julf


From davidcristianmorar at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 14:15:03 2023
From: davidcristianmorar at gmail.com (David Morar)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:15:03 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-EC] EC meeting in DC?
In-Reply-To: <bd8d292f-20fb-3020-bb0e-a90f02b314e7@Julf.com>
References: <bd8d292f-20fb-3020-bb0e-a90f02b314e7@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAHeUUZvXAA9EbVM0tLwtyY_vKhjzZL-rktjF5ZcvVnyHhjuZMQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sure! What is everyone?s schedule like?

On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 06:41 Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> We seem to have quite a backlog of membership applications again.
> Should we try to squeeze in an EC meeting for approving applications
> while we are in DC?
>
>         Julf
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Jun  6 15:59:22 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:59:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext]  EC meeting in DC?
In-Reply-To: <bd8d292f-20fb-3020-bb0e-a90f02b314e7@Julf.com>
References: <bd8d292f-20fb-3020-bb0e-a90f02b314e7@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <FC12240C-E80E-481A-89DB-6D3563E2D149@icann.org>

Hi Julf!

I do have a request submitted for a sign-up room for the NCSG EC. I currently have requested Monday, 12 June 13:45-15:00 local time. 

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea
 

?On 6/6/23, 05:42, "NCSG-EC on behalf of Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC" <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is on behalf of ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

    We seem to have quite a backlog of membership applications again.
    Should we try to squeeze in an EC meeting for approving applications
    while we are in DC?

    	Julf
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From julf at Julf.com  Tue Jun  6 16:45:00 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:45:00 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext]  EC meeting in DC?
In-Reply-To: <FC12240C-E80E-481A-89DB-6D3563E2D149@icann.org>
References: <bd8d292f-20fb-3020-bb0e-a90f02b314e7@Julf.com>
 <FC12240C-E80E-481A-89DB-6D3563E2D149@icann.org>
Message-ID: <37baa50e-6fab-3e07-c67e-325ff91623fe@Julf.com>

Great! Let's hope that time works for everyone.

	Julf

On 06/06/2023 14:59, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> Hi Julf!
> 
> I do have a request submitted for a sign-up room for the NCSG EC. I currently have requested Monday, 12 June 13:45-15:00 local time.
> 
> Thanks!
> Kind Regards,
> Andrea
>   
> 
> ?On 6/6/23, 05:42, "NCSG-EC on behalf of Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC" <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is on behalf of ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> 
>      We seem to have quite a backlog of membership applications again.
>      Should we try to squeeze in an EC meeting for approving applications
>      while we are in DC?
> 
>      	Julf
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> 


From muyiwacaleb at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 16:56:06 2023
From: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 08:56:06 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] EC meeting in DC?
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@Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org> could you please send a calendar
invite

On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 8:44 AM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Great! Let's hope that time works for everyone.
>
>         Julf
>
> On 06/06/2023 14:59, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> > Hi Julf!
> >
> > I do have a request submitted for a sign-up room for the NCSG EC. I
> currently have requested Monday, 12 June 13:45-15:00 local time.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Kind Regards,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> > ?On 6/6/23, 05:42, "NCSG-EC on behalf of Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC" <
> ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is on behalf of ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> >
> >      We seem to have quite a backlog of membership applications again.
> >      Should we try to squeeze in an EC meeting for approving applications
> >      while we are in DC?
> >
> >       Julf
> >      _______________________________________________
> >      NCSG-EC mailing list
> >      NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec__;!!PtGJab4!5EcKua-kZ97b8GUUEKIh8Hhr56vuffXhUv9wevrqd5EybtrYbfKgrSr5_PnRFbFF5FbbDHZC5xaAFBcjg3ZPIiNT2LqG9w$
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Jun  6 17:01:22 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:01:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG EC Meeting-Washington DC
Message-ID: <e7392cd4f0f14ad49d8745780baf3599@icann.org>

NCSG EC meeting in Washington DC Monday, 12 June 2023 13:45-15:00 local time. I will send the room assignment as soon as I receive it. This is a sign-up room and there will be no Zoom room attached or technical support.
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Jun  6 17:01:28 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:01:28 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] EC meeting in DC?
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Sent!

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 08:56
To: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>
Cc: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] EC meeting in DC?

@Andrea Glandon<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org> could you please send a calendar invite

On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 8:44 AM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Great! Let's hope that time works for everyone.

        Julf

On 06/06/2023 14:59, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> Hi Julf!
>
> I do have a request submitted for a sign-up room for the NCSG EC. I currently have requested Monday, 12 June 13:45-15:00 local time.
>
> Thanks!
> Kind Regards,
> Andrea
>
>
> On 6/6/23, 05:42, "NCSG-EC on behalf of Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC" <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>
>      We seem to have quite a backlog of membership applications again.
>      Should we try to squeeze in an EC meeting for approving applications
>      while we are in DC?
>
>       Julf
>      _______________________________________________
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Jun  6 23:30:51 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 20:30:51 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
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Hello all!

This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time slot with them?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
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    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Jun  7 12:09:05 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 11:09:05 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
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Works for me.

	Julf


On 06/06/2023 22:30, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at 
> ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time 
> slot with them?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea 
> Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> 
> I have an agenda!
> 
> The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it 
> seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am 
> meeting during ICANN77.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea 
> Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> 
> Thank you, Tomslin.
> 
> I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The 
> other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the 
> sessions begin.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> 
> Thanks Andrea.
> 
> Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with 
> human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really 
> make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time 
> slots are best.
> 
> Warmly,
> 
> Tomslin
> 
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> 
>     Hello all!
> 
>     Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the
>     event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after
>     ICANN77 is possible.
> 
>     I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I
>     think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is
>     important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope
>     that others can join.
> 
>     Thanks!
>     Kind Regards,
>     Andrea
> 
> 
>     On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org
>     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> 
>      ? ? I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are
>     literally in the middle of the night for me).
> 
>      ? ? Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?? Thank you.
> 
>      ? ? Best,
>      ? ? Robin
> 
>      ? ? > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC
>     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>      ? ? >
>      ? ? > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
>      ? ? > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
>      ? ? >
>      ? ? >? ?Julf
>      ? ? >
>      ? ? > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>      ? ? >> Hello all!
>      ? ? >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77.
>     I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also,
>     below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
>      ? ? >> Thanks!
>      ? ? >> Kind Regards,
>      ? ? >> Andrea
>      ? ? >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
>      ? ? >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
>      ? ? >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>"
>     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
>      ? ? >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org
>     <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck
>     <daniel.gluck at icann.org <mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea
>     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
>      ? ? >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>      ? ? >> Hello all,
>      ? ? >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the
>     NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
>      ? ? >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>      ? ? >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
>      ? ? >> . At ICANN77:
>      ? ? >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
>      ? ? >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
>      ? ? >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
>      ? ? >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>      ? ? >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what
>     sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above:
>     https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>>
>      ? ? >> Thank you!
>      ? ? >> *Andrea Glandon*
>      ? ? >> Policy Operations Coordinator
>      ? ? >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>      ? ? >> *Skype ID:*? acglandon76
>      ? ? >> _______________________________________________
>      ? ? >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>      ? ? >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>      ? ? >>
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Jun  7 15:05:12 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 14:05:12 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: Facilitated Meeting with NCSG and CSG Excoms in DC
 Next Week, 
In-Reply-To: <63a5c45d-f2d8-91e2-7164-faf639dbae55@gmail.com>
References: <63a5c45d-f2d8-91e2-7164-faf639dbae55@gmail.com>
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Facilitated Meeting with NCSG and CSG Excoms in DC Next Week,
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 14:03:36 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>, paul at elstermcgrady.com 
<paul at elstermcgrady.com>
CC: Melissa Allgood <melissa.allgood at icann.org>, 
philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, Mohr, Susan 
<Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, 
MCole at perkinscoie.com <mcole at perkinscoie.com>, 'Brian King' 
<brian.king at clarivate.com>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>

Dear Lori,

Happy to sit down and discuss how to establish better communications,
but feel it is too early in the process to discuss specific details
such as amending Annex 7.

Yes, please have Brenda send out a doodle, and we'll see if a large
enough part of our executive committee can be available.

	Julf

On 06/06/2023 19:35, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Dear Julf and Paul,
> 
> I want to thank you for reaching out and for the commitment you have 
> demonstrated to resolving the Board Seat 14 issue. The CSG ExCom agrees 
> that there is much to discuss in terms of moving forward with filling 
> Board Seat 14 and establishing ongoing, productive communications 
> between our stakeholder groups. This includes drafting amendments to the 
> 2018 agreement to be effective in 2026.
> 
> As explained in earlier communications to Julf, we do believe that we 
> have common interests and goals that have been overlooked as we have 
> engaged in the day-to-day business of contributing to ICANN?s 
> policymaking process and governance. However, we also believe that there 
> are flaws in the 2018 agreement that should be corrected as soon 
> possible and in tandem with the 2023 Board Seat 14 nomination process.  
> To be clear, we are honoring the 2018 agreement now.? We would like to 
> have the changes implemented for 2026.
> 
> We are in agreement that we should engage in a face-to-face facilitated 
> meeting at ICANN77.? We are very happy to have Paul serve as the 
> facilitator so that the discussion may be held in full transparency 
> within our side of the house. We propose that the 2 ExComs meet together 
> and see if we can work out a way to move forward.
> 
> We want to thank Melissa for her help and she is copied here as a 
> courtesy.? Melissa has offered to continue to support us as needed.
> 
> We will say that the one area in which we have agreement is that any 
> discussions should be open and transparent.? So, we are also open to 
> having observers at our meeting in DC. However, we would ask that the 
> speakers be limited to the ExCom members.? We feel that this would serve 
> the needs of both stakeholder groups in terms of managing the 
> conversation and operating in full transparency.
> 
> Please let me know if this is agreeable to both of you.? If so, Brenda 
> will send a doodle to both ExComs for either a Wed or Thurs meeting.  
> Most schedules seem a little lighter for Wed lunch or Thursday morning 
> through lunch.
> 
> <http://www.inta.org/>
> 
> 	
> 
> Lori Schulman
> 
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> 
> *International Trademark Association*
> 
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
> 
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Jun  7 15:51:23 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 12:51:23 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <CEFC292F-5C7C-41A7-993A-CB8E34B6D154@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
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Thank you, all!

I have received 4 responses that this time works so I am going to book it so we don?t lose out. More information to follow.

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 15:31
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Hello all!

This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time slot with them?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Jun  7 16:45:47 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:45:47 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG meeting with PSWG
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NCSG meeting with the PSWG will take place on Monday, 12 June 2023 at 09:00-10:15 local time. There will be no services for this meeting (no Zoom, tech support, etc). The room will be determed shortly and I will add to this invitation once I have that information.



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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Wed Jun  7 17:12:29 2023
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 14:12:29 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ACTION REQUEST: Doodle - Facilitated Meeting with NCSG
 and CSG Excoms in DC
Message-ID: <E52C3CA3-8542-40C1-A7DB-33A10C1E5789@icann.org>

Dear CSG Executive Committee and NCSG Executive Committee,

Good day! Please see doodle poll for a Facilitated Meeting with NCSG and CSG Excomms.  Your timely response is greatly appreciated.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/eZzq3Vge

Kind regards,
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Jun  7 19:46:16 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 18:46:16 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: Possble framing of conversation
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Thoughts?

On the supposed alignment, I think d is the only one we fully
agree with. On the friction points, I think 1 - board seat 14 -
should be the immediate priority.

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Possble framing of conversation
Date: 	Wed, 7 Jun 2023 16:38:49 +0000
From: 	Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: 	paul at elstermcgrady.com <paul at elstermcgrady.com>, Johan Helsingius 
<julf.helsingius at gmail.com>



Hi Paul and Julf,

Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.

Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to agree 
on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:

      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
         framework and whether it makes sense
      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:

  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination
  2. Amending Annex 7
  3. Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
     for transparency sake)

I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.? 
Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
exception not a default.

Looking forward to turning the page.

<http://www.inta.org/>

	

Lori Schulman

Senior Director, Internet Policy

*International Trademark Association*

LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>

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From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 19:53:18 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 18:53:18 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Possble framing of conversation
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Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these
points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends
on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
and "reasonable" means in this context.

On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an
immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way
premature.

I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.

Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address
rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail
account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the
email system of inta.org refuses mails from my normal address
(but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to
send from gmail to be able to reach you.

	Julf


On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Paul and Julf,
> 
> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
> 
> Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to agree 
> on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
> 
>      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>         framework and whether it makes sense
>      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout 
> 
> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
> 
>  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination
>  2. Amending Annex 7
>  3. Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>     for transparency sake)
> 
> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.  
> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
> exception not a default.
> 
> Looking forward to turning the page.
> 
> <http://www.inta.org/>
> 
> 	
> 
> Lori Schulman
> 
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> 
> *International Trademark Association*
> 
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
> 
> inta.org <https://www.inta.org/>***|***Locations 
> <https://www.inta.org/about/contact-us/>***|***Social Media 
> <https://www.inta.org/about/social-media/>
> 


From lschulman at inta.org  Thu Jun  8 02:21:07 2023
From: lschulman at inta.org (Lori Schulman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:21:07 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Possble framing of conversation
In-Reply-To: <bb6a606c-8e86-6aac-8681-4f584d82c64e@gmail.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB5030E403F48522A40426DF0FD353A@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <BL1PR12MB5030B9E32071C2CBB1089796D353A@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Julf,

No problem with using your julf.com address.
In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.

Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.

With kind regards,
?


Lori Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association
LSchulman at inta.org?
inta.org??|??Locations??|??Social Media


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation

Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
and "reasonable" means in this context.

On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.

I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.

Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.

	Julf


On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Paul and Julf,
> 
> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
> 
> Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to 
> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
> 
>      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>         framework and whether it makes sense
>      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
> 
> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
> 
>  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3. 
> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>     for transparency sake)
> 
> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
> exception not a default.
> 
> Looking forward to turning the page.
> 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c=
> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tjev
> PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
> 
> 	
> 
> Lori Schulman
> 
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> 
> *International Trademark Association*
> 
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
> 
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89w
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From paul at elstermcgrady.com  Thu Jun  8 03:24:54 2023
From: paul at elstermcgrady.com (Paul McGrady)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 00:24:54 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Possible framing of conversation
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Thank you both for this exchange.  I look forward to seeing you both next week.

Best,
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:21 PM
To: julf at julf.com; Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: RE: Possble framing of conversation

Hi Julf,

No problem with using your julf.com address.
In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.

Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.

With kind regards,



Lori Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association
LSchulman at inta.org
inta.org  |??Locations  |??Social Media


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation

Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
and "reasonable" means in this context.

On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.

I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.

Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.

        Julf


On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Paul and Julf,
>
> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>
> Not sure if it is too early for that either.  However, we seem to 
> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>
>      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>         framework and whether it makes sense
>      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>
> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>
>  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>     for transparency sake)
>
> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
> exception not a default.
>
> Looking forward to turning the page.
>
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c=
> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tjev
> PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>
>
>
> Lori Schulman
>
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>
> *International Trademark Association*
>
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89w
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>
This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.

From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 16:03:46 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 15:03:46 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Possble framing of conversation
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Message-ID: <e871023f-2e35-ce8c-ceb0-6c7aaff9829f@gmail.com>

Thanks Lori,

Apologies in advance for my Nordic bluntness.

While we understand that the CSG feels strongly about Annex 7, we feel
any discussion about is definitely premature at this stage. We might
discuss it once we have worked out ways to improve communication and
co-operation within the NCP, but considering the current issues in that
regard, we feel strongly that discussing removing the major incentive
to co-operation between the NCSG and CSG would be counterproductive.

We don't see the current Annex 7 being flawed. What you see as a problem
in 3 years, we see as an opportunity for creating consensus.

While we are happy to sit down in DC to talk about the general issues
of communication and co-operation, we don't believe discussing Annex 7
at this stage would be useful, and we still believe completing the
current round of Board Seat 14 nomination as quickly as possible should
be our top priority.

Looking forward to trying to resolve the issue face to face in DC
next week - as well as looking forward to seeing you all in a more
relaxed social context as well.

	Julf


On 08/06/2023 01:21, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> 
> No problem with using your julf.com address.
> In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> 
> 
> Lori Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association
> LSchulman at inta.org
> inta.org??|??Locations??|??Social Media
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
> 
> Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
> and "reasonable" means in this context.
> 
> On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.
> 
> I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.
> 
> Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.
> 
> 	Julf
> 
> 
> On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Hi Paul and Julf,
>>
>> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would
>> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an
>> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>>
>> Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to
>> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>>
>>       1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>>       2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>>          framework and whether it makes sense
>>       3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>>       4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>>
>> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>>
>>   1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
>> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>>      for transparency sake)
>>
>> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before
>> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are
>> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
>> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an
>> exception not a default.
>>
>> Looking forward to turning the page.
>>
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c=
>> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tjev
>> PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>>
>> 	
>>
>> Lori Schulman
>>
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>>
>> *International Trademark Association*
>>
>> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>>
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89w
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>> gTI,&typo=1>
>>


From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  8 16:07:07 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 15:07:07 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: IPC Reception Invite to CSG ExCom
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB50305C6ECB58DBD29E890B23D353A@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <f4d804df-a870-e259-cf28-81e5fe56c91c@Julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	IPC Reception Invite to CSG ExCom
Date: 	Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:30:57 +0000
From: 	Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: 	julf at julf.com <julf at Julf.com>



Hi Julf,

You and the NCSG ExCom are invited to join us.? An RSVP is required as 
space is limited.

We hope to see you there.

<http://www.inta.org/>

	

Lori Schulman

Senior Director, Internet Policy

*International Trademark Association*

LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>

inta.org <https://www.inta.org/>***|***Locations 
<https://www.inta.org/about/contact-us/>***|***Social Media 
<https://www.inta.org/about/social-media/>
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From paul at elstermcgrady.com  Thu Jun  8 17:29:49 2023
From: paul at elstermcgrady.com (Paul McGrady)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:29:49 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Possible framing of conversation
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Thanks Julf and Lori.

I'll throw on some Great Lakes bluntness too.  I don't think email exchanges have worked in the past.  Let's not insist on conditions to meet and discuss items of interest.  Can we agree to set aside the back and forth until then?  Otherwise, it seems likely that both sides will arrive at any meeting further entrenched.  How does that sound to both of you?

Best,
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:04 AM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation

Thanks Lori,

Apologies in advance for my Nordic bluntness.

While we understand that the CSG feels strongly about Annex 7, we feel any discussion about is definitely premature at this stage. We might discuss it once we have worked out ways to improve communication and co-operation within the NCP, but considering the current issues in that regard, we feel strongly that discussing removing the major incentive to co-operation between the NCSG and CSG would be counterproductive.

We don't see the current Annex 7 being flawed. What you see as a problem in 3 years, we see as an opportunity for creating consensus.

While we are happy to sit down in DC to talk about the general issues of communication and co-operation, we don't believe discussing Annex 7 at this stage would be useful, and we still believe completing the current round of Board Seat 14 nomination as quickly as possible should be our top priority.

Looking forward to trying to resolve the issue face to face in DC next week - as well as looking forward to seeing you all in a more relaxed social context as well.

        Julf


On 08/06/2023 01:21, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
>
> No problem with using your julf.com address.
> In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.
>
> With kind regards,
>
>
>
> Lori Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association
> LSchulman at inta.org
> inta.org  |??Locations  |??Social Media
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
>
> Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
> and "reasonable" means in this context.
>
> On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.
>
> I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.
>
> Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.
>
>       Julf
>
>
> On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Hi Paul and Julf,
>>
>> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it 
>> would be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help 
>> drive an agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>>
>> Not sure if it is too early for that either.  However, we seem to 
>> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>>
>>       1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>>       2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>>          framework and whether it makes sense
>>       3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>>       4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>>
>> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>>
>>   1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
>> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>>      for transparency sake)
>>
>> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
>> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
>> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
>> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
>> exception not a default.
>>
>> Looking forward to turning the page.
>>
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c
>> = 
>> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tje
>> v PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lori Schulman
>>
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>>
>> *International Trademark Association*
>>
>> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>>
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89
>> w 
>> NUJsyqmZ_YH2CwMqWatI2wIJQAk1n7c1b4xMmq9HmPrgyYJWtIGZWSC4NXUb2uAxT3pjk
>> r
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>> c 
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>> V 
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>> n
>> s
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2fa
>> b 
>> out%2fcontact-us%2f&c=E,1,8yZgklEtgUzdrCYnsYrXWkhqQFUFlCZfvITHTVx0PZ0
>> q 
>> 5ABzp5ZQ1V5QVjHQBbYNIhqNumq0BgwMHduzXrqB4xkJqhou4Ct6wbbX3X9MdzdYOnUOe
>> E
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>> _
>> gTI,&typo=1>
>>
This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.

From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 17:41:21 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 16:41:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Possible framing of conversation
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Sounds good, Paul!

See you both next week.

	Julf

On 08/06/2023 16:29, Paul McGrady wrote:
> Thanks Julf and Lori.
> 
> I'll throw on some Great Lakes bluntness too.  I don't think email exchanges have worked in the past.  Let's not insist on conditions to meet and discuss items of interest.  Can we agree to set aside the back and forth until then?  Otherwise, it seems likely that both sides will arrive at any meeting further entrenched.  How does that sound to both of you?
> 
> Best,
> Paul
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:04 AM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
> 
> Thanks Lori,
> 
> Apologies in advance for my Nordic bluntness.
> 
> While we understand that the CSG feels strongly about Annex 7, we feel any discussion about is definitely premature at this stage. We might discuss it once we have worked out ways to improve communication and co-operation within the NCP, but considering the current issues in that regard, we feel strongly that discussing removing the major incentive to co-operation between the NCSG and CSG would be counterproductive.
> 
> We don't see the current Annex 7 being flawed. What you see as a problem in 3 years, we see as an opportunity for creating consensus.
> 
> While we are happy to sit down in DC to talk about the general issues of communication and co-operation, we don't believe discussing Annex 7 at this stage would be useful, and we still believe completing the current round of Board Seat 14 nomination as quickly as possible should be our top priority.
> 
> Looking forward to trying to resolve the issue face to face in DC next week - as well as looking forward to seeing you all in a more relaxed social context as well.
> 
>          Julf
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2023 01:21, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Hi Julf,
>>
>> No problem with using your julf.com address.
>> In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Lori Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association
>> LSchulman at inta.org
>> inta.org  |??Locations  |??Social Media
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
>> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
>>
>> Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
>> and "reasonable" means in this context.
>>
>> On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.
>>
>> I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.
>>
>> Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.
>>
>>        Julf
>>
>>
>> On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
>>> Hi Paul and Julf,
>>>
>>> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it
>>> would be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help
>>> drive an agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>>>
>>> Not sure if it is too early for that either.  However, we seem to
>>> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>>>
>>>        1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>>>        2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>>>           framework and whether it makes sense
>>>        3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>>>        4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>>>
>>> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>>>
>>>    1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
>>> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>>>       for transparency sake)
>>>
>>> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before
>>> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are
>>> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
>>> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an
>>> exception not a default.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to turning the page.
>>>
>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c
>>> =
>>> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tje
>>> v PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lori Schulman
>>>
>>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>>>
>>> *International Trademark Association*
>>>
>>> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>>>
>>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89
>>> w
>>> NUJsyqmZ_YH2CwMqWatI2wIJQAk1n7c1b4xMmq9HmPrgyYJWtIGZWSC4NXUb2uAxT3pjk
>>> r
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>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&
>>> c
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>>> n
>>> s
>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2fa
>>> b
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>>> q
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>>> E
>>> s,&typo=1>***|***Social Media
>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2fa
>>> b
>>> out%2fsocial-media%2f&c=E,1,sqW0eovlyf8nriGKyUD9nBqLU-eXPQ5gGymVg7RRI
>>> x
>>> SD_788WyacXUWdrvklcds_0sL306ywJVe2ANqKaEcAkvPRJ2Ff7W_ghx1_N_56HMr4enz
>>> _
>>> gTI,&typo=1>
>>>
> This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.


From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  8 18:25:41 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:25:41 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN78 / Hamburg travel slots
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So we have 2 travel slots to allocate for the EC for Hamburg.
Has there been any discussion within NPOC and NCUC about
allocating them?

	Julf



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Subject: 	REMINDER-ICANN78 | Hamburg | Supported Travelers Database Due 
| Thursday, 22 June 2023
Date: 	Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:04:27 +0000
From: 	Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
To: 	julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>, plommer at gmail.com 
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Dear all,

In order to service your travel needs for ICANN78 Hamburg in a timely 
fashion, please submit your meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.org 
<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>by *Thursday, 22 June 2023*

**

   * As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
     funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the 
OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for 
confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.

*TRAVEL BOOKING PROCESS*

In order for Funded Travelers to start booking travel, they MUST 
complete Steps 1, 2, and 3.

	

*WHO*

	

*WHAT*

1

	

Funded Traveler

	

Register for meeting using the Funded Traveler Registration Link 
provided by ICANN Travel Support

2

	

Funded Traveler

	

Approved for Trade Regulations Review

3

	

Funded Traveler

	

Receive Travel Funding Confirmation Email from ICANN Travel Support

4

	

*Funded Traveler*

	

*Book Air Travel for meeting*

	

	

	

	

*Approved dates of Arrival and Departure*

*ARRIVAL DATE*

	

*DEPARTURE DATE*

*Friday,? 20 October*

	

*Friday, 27 October*

For air, this must be booked using either via our online booking 
platform (Concur) or official travel agency (FCM). ICANN org does not 
allow self-booking

Here is a short 
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by deadline given in email.

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acquire your visa immediately.?Please contact the ICANN travel team to 
let them know you will need a visa.

3.*06 September 2023(45 days before travel)*is the last day to submit 
additions/replacements.

4.Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by case basis by 
ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day deadline are 
subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel as their 
funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa issues.

5.If possible please book?direct travel requests.?Detours and multi-stop 
trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.

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expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN hotel 
confirmation has be sent to them.

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accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a replacement 
has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel their 
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From muyiwacaleb at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 18:44:53 2023
From: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 10:44:53 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN78 / Hamburg travel slots
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I'm taking the NPOC slot.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 10:25 AM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> So we have 2 travel slots to allocate for the EC for Hamburg.
> Has there been any discussion within NPOC and NCUC about
> allocating them?
>
>         Julf
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        REMINDER-ICANN78 | Hamburg | Supported Travelers Database
> Due
> | Thursday, 22 June 2023
> Date:   Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:04:27 +0000
> From:   Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> To:     julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>, plommer at gmail.com
> <plommer at gmail.com>, benakin at gmail.com <benakin at gmail.com>
> CC:     Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck
> <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> In order to service your travel needs for ICANN78 Hamburg in a timely
> fashion, please submit your meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>by *Thursday, 22 June 2023*
>
> **
>
>    * As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>      funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
> A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the
> OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for
> confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.
>
> *TRAVEL BOOKING PROCESS*
>
> In order for Funded Travelers to start booking travel, they MUST
> complete Steps 1, 2, and 3.
>
>
>
> *WHO*
>
>
>
> *WHAT*
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Funded Traveler
>
>
>
> Register for meeting using the Funded Traveler Registration Link
> provided by ICANN Travel Support
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Funded Traveler
>
>
>
> Approved for Trade Regulations Review
>
> 3
>
>
>
> Funded Traveler
>
>
>
> Receive Travel Funding Confirmation Email from ICANN Travel Support
>
> 4
>
>
>
> *Funded Traveler*
>
>
>
> *Book Air Travel for meeting*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Approved dates of Arrival and Departure*
>
> *ARRIVAL DATE*
>
>
>
> *DEPARTURE DATE*
>
> *Friday,  20 October*
>
>
>
> *Friday, 27 October*
>
> For air, this must be booked using either via our online booking
> platform (Concur) or official travel agency (FCM). ICANN org does not
> allow self-booking
>
> Here is a short
> video:https://schedule.icann.org/bookingintro[schedule.icann.org]
> <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/schedule.icann.org/bookingintro__;!!PtGJab4!6pW1_pdlgZAWc4plnfVraHDns0K10hlcwttUG1zqaysd4w_HDu0y08J0oYf_hLGNbh5C576I-YmA6W8p2ai-bkNqjA$>which
>
> may be helpful and explains the basic.
>
> Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
> fairness and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take
> the following into consideration:
>
> 1.Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming travel and book
> by deadline given in email.
>
> 2.If you require a visa to enter the country, please make sure to
> acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN travel team to
> let them know you will need a visa.
>
> 3.*06 September 2023(45 days before travel)*is the last day to submit
> additions/replacements.
>
> 4.Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by case basis by
> ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day deadline are
> subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel as their
> funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa issues.
>
> 5.If possible please book direct travel requests. Detours and multi-stop
> trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
>
> 6.If travelers want to extend their stay this must be done at their own
> expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN hotel
> confirmation has be sent to them.
>
> 7.*Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not refund or take over
> accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a replacement
> has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel their
> reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their reservation.
>
> Reminder:
>
>    * GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation
>      funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO
>      NOT* book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>    * All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of providing
>      travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be
>      processed in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy [icann.org]
>
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.
>
>
>      Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy
>      and our privacy practices, you may contact us at privacy at icann.org
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>    * As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>      funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>    Many thanks for your cooperation!
>
> Thank you.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> *Terri*
>
> *            ---*
>
> *Terri Agnew*
>
> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
>
> Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
> <
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> >
>
> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
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> >
>
> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
> located on the GNSO Master
> Calendar<
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From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  8 18:48:09 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:48:09 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN78 / Hamburg travel slots
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References: <D857E2FD-6ACA-435B-895B-C96D830271E2@icann.org>
 <35306e0a-7e27-018e-f2ed-5d3fc795fd12@Julf.com>
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Message-ID: <5c95cff8-ed2b-5a9f-ed4f-c3ff9915c036@Julf.com>

Thanks Caleb!

	Julf


On 08/06/2023 17:44, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> I'm taking the NPOC slot.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 10:25 AM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> 
>     So we have 2 travel slots to allocate for the EC for Hamburg.
>     Has there been any discussion within NPOC and NCUC about
>     allocating them?
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject:? ? ? ? REMINDER-ICANN78 | Hamburg | Supported Travelers
>     Database Due
>     | Thursday, 22 June 2023
>     Date:? ?Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:04:27 +0000
>     From:? ?Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
>     To: julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>>, plommer at gmail.com <mailto:plommer at gmail.com>
>     <plommer at gmail.com <mailto:plommer at gmail.com>>, benakin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:benakin at gmail.com> <benakin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:benakin at gmail.com>>
>     CC:? ? ?Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org
>     <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck
>     <daniel.gluck at icann.org <mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea
>     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
> 
> 
> 
>     Dear all,
> 
>     In order to service your travel needs for ICANN78 Hamburg in a timely
>     fashion, please submit your meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
>     <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>by
>     *Thursday, 22 June 2023*
> 
>     **
> 
>      ? ?* As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>      ? ? ?funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>     A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the
>     OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for
>     confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel
>     arrangements.
> 
>     *TRAVEL BOOKING PROCESS*
> 
>     In order for Funded Travelers to start booking travel, they MUST
>     complete Steps 1, 2, and 3.
> 
> 
> 
>     *WHO*
> 
> 
> 
>     *WHAT*
> 
>     1
> 
> 
> 
>     Funded Traveler
> 
> 
> 
>     Register for meeting using the Funded Traveler Registration Link
>     provided by ICANN Travel Support
> 
>     2
> 
> 
> 
>     Funded Traveler
> 
> 
> 
>     Approved for Trade Regulations Review
> 
>     3
> 
> 
> 
>     Funded Traveler
> 
> 
> 
>     Receive Travel Funding Confirmation Email from ICANN Travel Support
> 
>     4
> 
> 
> 
>     *Funded Traveler*
> 
> 
> 
>     *Book Air Travel for meeting*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     *Approved dates of Arrival and Departure*
> 
>     *ARRIVAL DATE*
> 
> 
> 
>     *DEPARTURE DATE*
> 
>     *Friday,? 20 October*
> 
> 
> 
>     *Friday, 27 October*
> 
>     For air, this must be booked using either via our online booking
>     platform (Concur) or official travel agency (FCM). ICANN org does not
>     allow self-booking
> 
>     Here is a short
>     video:https://schedule.icann.org/bookingintro[schedule.icann.org]
>     <https://schedule.icann.org/bookingintro%5Bschedule.icann.org%5D>
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/schedule.icann.org/bookingintro__;!!PtGJab4!6pW1_pdlgZAWc4plnfVraHDns0K10hlcwttUG1zqaysd4w_HDu0y08J0oYf_hLGNbh5C576I-YmA6W8p2ai-bkNqjA$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/schedule.icann.org/bookingintro__;!!PtGJab4!6pW1_pdlgZAWc4plnfVraHDns0K10hlcwttUG1zqaysd4w_HDu0y08J0oYf_hLGNbh5C576I-YmA6W8p2ai-bkNqjA$>>which
>     may be helpful and explains the basic.
> 
>     Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
>     fairness and in light of budget restrictions?we would like you to take
>     the following into consideration:
> 
>     1.Respond?timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming travel and
>     book
>     by deadline given in email.
> 
>     2.If you require a visa to enter the country, please make sure to
>     acquire your visa immediately.?Please contact the ICANN travel team to
>     let them know you will need a visa.
> 
>     3.*06 September 2023(45 days before travel)*is the last day to submit
>     additions/replacements.
> 
>     4.Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by case basis by
>     ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day deadline are
>     subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel as their
>     funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
>     issues.
> 
>     5.If possible please book?direct travel requests.?Detours and
>     multi-stop
>     trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
> 
>     6.If travelers want to extend their stay this must be done at their own
>     expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN hotel
>     confirmation has be sent to them.
> 
>     7.*Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not refund or take over
>     accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a replacement
>     has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel their
>     reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their reservation.
> 
>     Reminder:
> 
>      ? ?* GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation
>      ? ? ?funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO
>      ? ? ?NOT* book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>      ? ?* All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of
>     providing
>      ? ? ?travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be
>      ? ? ?processed in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy
>     [icann.org <http://icann.org>]
> 
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>>.
> 
>      ? ? ?Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy
>     Policy
>      ? ? ?and our privacy practices, you may contact us at
>     privacy at icann.org <mailto:privacy at icann.org>
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>      ? ?* As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>      ? ? ?funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>      ? ?Many thanks for your cooperation!
> 
>     Thank you.
> 
>     With kind regards,
> 
>     *Terri*
> 
>     *????????????---*
> 
>     *Terri Agnew*
> 
>     Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
> 
>     Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
>     *Skype ID:*? terri.agnew.icann
> 
>     Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
>     <https://learn.icann.org/>
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> 
>     Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
>     located on the GNSO Master
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 16:20:26 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:20:26 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] UPDATE-PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
Message-ID: <F93C81B2-C6AF-4F28-83C4-C279A3F43A59@icann.org>

Hello again,

Unfortunately I have just heard from GAC staff that the PSWG is no longer able to meet on Monday. We will have to schedule something after ICANN77. I am waiting to hear back from GAC staff about times for this meeting, but I think generally 12:00-16:00 UTC are good times for the PSWG. As soon as I am able, I will get a Doodle poll sent out.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 07:51
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, all!

I have received 4 responses that this time works so I am going to book it so we don?t lose out. More information to follow.

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 15:31
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Hello all!

This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time slot with them?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 16:20:48 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:20:48 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Canceled: NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <8db053979d54433b825eeba5b1f81ce8@icann.org>

NCSG meeting with the PSWG will take place on Monday, 12 June 2023 at 09:00-10:15 local time. There will be no services for this meeting (no Zoom, tech support, etc). The room will be determed shortly and I will add to this invitation once I have that information.



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 18:20:54 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 15:20:54 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <8A093F99-6BB5-46B7-9881-9E341D193BAF@icann.org>

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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From PolicyCalendar at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 18:48:59 2023
From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 15:48:59 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Facilitated Meeting with CSG and NCSG Excoms | 15 June at
 10:45 AM/EDT
Message-ID: <02c07ce77661429cb41bb3554c6c7cc8@icann.org>

Please join CSG Executive Committee and NCSG Executive Committee for a facilitated meeting by Paul McGrady.

Thursday, 15 June at 10:45 AM/EDT? 12:15 PM/EDT
Room: Marquis 14 <https://icann77.sched.com/venue-map?iframe=no>


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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 22:15:55 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:15:55 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG EC Meeting-Washington DC
Message-ID: <ab9291524de14083b73fad61308988f1@icann.org>

NCSG EC meeting in Washington DC Monday, 12 June 2023 13:45-15:00 local time in Marquis 11.. This is a sign-up room and there will be no Zoom room attached or technical support.
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun 12 20:42:00 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:42:00 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] REMINDER-NCSG EC Meeting-Washington DC
Message-ID: <434481d1ab7e48ab861967ea8a0e6d46@icann.org>

NCSG EC meeting in Washington DC Monday, 12 June 2023 13:45-15:00 local time in Marquis 11.. This is a sign-up room and there will be no Zoom room attached or technical support.
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun 12 20:53:41 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:53:41 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] March 2023 Approvals
Message-ID: <AC310632-FD48-4842-B843-4603B60E388E@icann.org>

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgxmOf5zC7TfTQ0NiDMmkzWLBwKVgjFSrRSVEyJwDWU/edit

Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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From david.olive at icann.org  Thu Jun 15 16:53:15 2023
From: david.olive at icann.org (David Olive)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 13:53:15 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] FW: Facilitated Meeting with CSG and NCSG
 Excoms | 15 June at 10:45 AM/EDT
Message-ID: <4929D04A-B9FD-4076-931B-92A882170595@icann.org>

Thank you.

I will be there.    Regards.   David.

Sent from my iPhone

David A. Olive
Senior Vice President
           Policy Development Support
 Managing Director
           ICANN Washington Office
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)



On Jun 15, 2023, at 8:01 AM, ICANN Policy Calendar <PolicyCalendar at icann.org> wrote:

?Dear JJ and David,

Thank you for your respective correspondence regarding the Board Seat 14 Selection Process.  The NCPH is committed to resolving the issue in a transparent and fair manner.  As both of you have expressed interest in the process, Julf, Paul and I cordially invite to observe this morning&#8217;s facilitated discussion.

There is one area where both sides of the NCPH are in complete alignment; all efforts to resolve our differences and find a satisfactory path forward shall be transparent.

Schedules permitting, it may be advantageous for you to observe the conversation.  This would give you the opportunity to assess the situation firsthand.

If you choose to attend, and we sincerely hope that you do, we ask that you observe only.  As this is our first face to face on the subject, we have limited the opportunity for interventions to NCPH ExCom members only.  We believe this strikes the appropriate balance between transparency and creating conditions for meaningful exchange.

We thank you, too, for allocating Melissa&#8217;s time to helping us resolve our open issues.  She suggested that we might use our NomCom Councilor, Paul, for this stage of the facilitation and we appreciate her diligence in finding workable solutions.

Sincerely,
Lori Schulman, Chair, CSG, on behalf of NCPH.

-----Original Appointment-----
From: ICANN Policy Calendar &lt;PolicyCalendar at icann.org&gt;
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 11:50 AM
To: ICANN Policy Calendar; CSG ExComm; NCSG-EC; Paul McGrady; Andrea Glandon; Brenda Brewer
Subject: Facilitated Meeting with CSG and NCSG Excoms | 15 June at 10:45 AM/EDT
When: Thursday, June 15, 2023 10:45 AM-12:15 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US &amp; Canada).
Where: Marquis 14
Importance: High

Please join CSG Executive Committee and NCSG Executive Committee for a facilitated meeting by Paul McGrady.

Thursday, 15 June at 10:45 AM/EDT&#8211; 12:15 PM/EDT
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Jun 21 20:54:07 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:54:07 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] REMINDER-DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <B9F9465C-7F56-45C6-820B-592E8DCCEE3D@icann.org>

Hello all,

Kind reminder to fill out the Doodle to schedule a meeting with the PSWG.

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa


Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From julf at julf.com  Wed Jun 21 21:39:20 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 20:39:20 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: DOODLE-Board Seat 14 Discussion-Week of 10 July 2023
In-Reply-To: <8471FD09-0505-4C5E-853A-F30C45430C26@icann.org>
References: <8471FD09-0505-4C5E-853A-F30C45430C26@icann.org>
Message-ID: <a77dcdae-e249-3983-3ee5-adfc9660e669@julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	DOODLE-Board Seat 14 Discussion-Week of 10 July 2023
Date: 	Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:31:29 +0000
From: 	Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Lori Schulman 
<lschulman at inta.org>, Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
CC: 	Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck 
<daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>



Dear all,

It was great to see all of you in Washington D.C.

Please complete the Doodle to schedule the Board Seat 14 Discussion the 
week of 10 July 2023. I have only sent this link to the three of you, 
but please forward this to other EC members that you would like to 
attend the discussion.

*Please complete the Doodle by Friday, 30 June.*

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/b69ByjOa 
<https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/b69ByjOa>

Thank you!

*Andrea Glandon*

Policy Operations Coordinator

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

*Skype ID:*? acglandon76



From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun 26 15:49:22 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 12:49:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
In-Reply-To: <8A093F99-6BB5-46B7-9881-9E341D193BAF@icann.org>
References: <8A093F99-6BB5-46B7-9881-9E341D193BAF@icann.org>
Message-ID: <B1E517BA-3B5A-430D-A5A0-F18916314AEA@icann.org>

Hello all,

I want to give an update on this Doodle. It looks like the meeting will not happen this week. I am waiting on more PSWG members to complete the Doodle.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun 26 23:40:08 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 20:40:08 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG EC Membership Approvals ICANN77
Message-ID: <F959EABB-6CA7-49C2-A130-45FC28FF98A6@icann.org>

Hello all,

Please see below the approvals from the NCSG EC meeting at ICANN77. These members have all been added to the appropriate email lists.

Organizational Members:
Nigerian School on Internet Governance-official representative James Olorundare, also represented by Adebunmi Akinbo. (NCSG & NPOC)
ISOC Senegal-official reprensentative Edem Nunekpeku.  (NCSG & NPOC)
DNS Forum NG-official representative Adebunmi Akinbo. (NCSG & NPOC)
Youth for Women Foundation-official representative Nojus Saad, also represented by Francoise Cardoso. (NCSG & NCUC)

Individual Members:
Jacob Odame-Baiden (NCSG & NCUC)

Next I will sending Robin an email with the names that she needs to review or we had questions on.

Thank you!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Jun 27 00:05:41 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:05:41 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ACTION NEEDED-Robin to review-Membership Approvals
Message-ID: <5CDA617D-B24E-4757-9636-CDD7803529DE@icann.org>

Hi Robin,

At ICANN77 Julf, Caleb and David were able to meet to review applications. Please see below the list of names that need your review or have questions:

George Sadowsky-Review
Betty Fausta-Please provide a reason for your no, all other members are a yes.
Priyatosh Jana- Please provide a reason for your no, all other members are a yes.
Osvaldo Larancuent
Yaiza Gonzalez
Salvatore Maltisotto
Dorcas Nyamwaya
Reema Moussa
Oliver Risteski
Engr. James Olorundare

Thank you!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun 30 16:51:30 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:51:30 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] TIME SELECTED/AGENDA ITEMS-NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <CCF5DD2F-F158-45C2-8F51-74642CCC042C@icann.org>

Hello all,

We have identified a time for the NCSG/PSWG meeting. The meeting will take place on Wednesday, 05 July 2023 at 13:00 UTC. An invitation will be forthcoming. The PSWG has listed these agenda items for discussion and would like to know if the NCSG has any others to add?

Agenda:

  1.  Contract Amendments
  2.  Registration Data Issues
  3.  Current/Future NCSG Participation in Policy Work

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 26, 2023 at 07:49
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: Re: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

I want to give an update on this Doodle. It looks like the meeting will not happen this week. I am waiting on more PSWG members to complete the Doodle.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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