From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Apr  4 18:48:46 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 15:48:46 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members
In-Reply-To: <4157836D-D3A9-46AB-ADC9-111AC9DF985E@icann.org>
References: <4157836D-D3A9-46AB-ADC9-111AC9DF985E@icann.org>
Message-ID: <E0F0B302-56A1-4752-9319-92BFB713DEBC@icann.org>

Hello again,

Please see below additional member approvals. Thank you so much to Julf for sending a list which made my job much easier!

Individual Members:
Pajaro Velasquez, Umut-NCSG/NCUC LAC
Gb??r? Achille Eye-NCSG/NCUC AF
Abdullah Qamar-NCSG/NCUC AP

Organizational Members:
Lebanese Cyberspace Association-NCSG, NCUC, NPOC-represented by Amin Hacha AP
Libyan Internet society- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC- represented by Omar Shuran AF
Oragization for Digital Africa- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC- represented by Nazarius Kirama AF
Media Rights Agenda (MRA)-NCSG, NPOC-represented by Idowu Adewale
Nigerian Youth IGF-NCSG, NPOC-represented by Morisola Alaba
Africa Media and Information Technology Initiative- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Ibrahim Haruna Gazzali
Women in Technology in Nigeria(WITIN)- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Martha Alade
Advocacy Unified Network- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Bhattacharya Arindam EUR
Internet Society Ghana Chapter- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Francis Acquah Amaning
ISOC Benin Chapter- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Harold Adjaho
Fundacao Estudar- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Cindyneia Cantanhede
Digital Agenda for Tanzania Initiative- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Peter Mmbando
Internet Society Cameroon Chapter- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Esther Sandrine Ngom AF
Cyber Crime Awareness Foundation (CCA Foundation) - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Mohammad Mostafizur Rahaman AP
India Internet Foundation NCSG, already approved Anupam Agrawal


Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:27
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, "npoc-ec at icann.org" <npoc-ec at icann.org>
Cc: Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members

Hello all,

Please see below for the list of new members who have been updated in CiviCRM as current, and added to the necessary email lists. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Individual Members:
Lubomir Nikiforov-NCSG/NCUC
Eunice Perez Coello- NCSG/NCUC
Diego Lisoni- NCSG/NCUC
Hakikur Rahman- NCSG/NCUC (already on both email lists)
Nur Adlin Hanisah Binti Shahul Ikram- NCSG/NCUC
Zin Myo Htet- NCSG/NCUC
Phyo Thri Lwin-NCSG/NCUC
Jean F Queralt-NCSG/NCUC (already on both email lists)
Sara Mohamed-NCSG/NCUC

Organizational Members:
The IO Foundation(NCUC, they were already an NPOC member)-represented by Jean Queralt
ISOC Palestine (NCSG/NCUC)-represented by Zaher Qasssrawi
West Africa ICT Action Network (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Peterking Quaye
PPDC Nigeria (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Simeon Favour
ISOC Uganda (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Joan Katambi
Finnish Internet Association (NCSG/NCUC/NPOC)-represented by Julf Helsingius

Thank you!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Apr  4 20:00:31 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 17:00:31 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN77 Travel Database
In-Reply-To: <7E0DC5EE-C78E-4A05-9F89-9CCEAE9E9E22@icann.org>
References: <7E0DC5EE-C78E-4A05-9F89-9CCEAE9E9E22@icann.org>
Message-ID: <7A532169-B752-4720-BA3E-52CA331B5349@icann.org>

Hello!

I am writing to inform the EC that travel funding replacements are due to me by Monday, 24 April.

Below are the names that were submitted for ICANN Travel to receive air, hotel & per diem.

Johan Helsingius
Caleb Ogundele
Amin Hacha
Bruna Martins dos Santos
Stephanie Perrin
Wisdom Donkor
Manju Chen
Farell Folly
Tomslin Samme-Nlar

If there are any changes to the above list, please let me know by Monday, 24 April.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:03
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: ICANN77 Travel Database

Hello!

I am writing to let leadership know that the travel database for ICANN77 (12-15 June 2023) will be due on Monday, 13 February 2023. Please consider starting the conversation sooner rather than later.

Thank you!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From muyiwacaleb at gmail.com  Thu Apr  6 00:35:45 2023
From: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 16:35:45 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NPOC-EC] NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members
In-Reply-To: <E0F0B302-56A1-4752-9319-92BFB713DEBC@icann.org>
References: <4157836D-D3A9-46AB-ADC9-111AC9DF985E@icann.org>
 <E0F0B302-56A1-4752-9319-92BFB713DEBC@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAL_ZvK7bGNJHXDCRdUP08M_0wZzyuz86LJY1ZxJCRvb0=Q+MVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Andrea.

I will be sending a welcome message NPOC mailing list to welcome the new
members.

I believe they are all on the mailing list now?


On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 10:48?AM Andrea Glandon via NPOC-EC <
npoc-ec at icann.org> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
>
>
> Please see below additional member approvals. Thank you so much to Julf
> for sending a list which made my job much easier!
>
>
>
> Individual Members:
>
> Pajaro Velasquez, Umut-NCSG/NCUC LAC
>
> Gb??r? Achille Eye-NCSG/NCUC AF
>
> Abdullah Qamar-NCSG/NCUC AP
>
>
>
> Organizational Members:
>
> Lebanese Cyberspace Association-NCSG, NCUC, NPOC-represented by Amin Hacha
> AP
>
> Libyan Internet society- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC- represented by Omar Shuran AF
> Oragization for Digital Africa- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC- represented by Nazarius
> Kirama AF
>
> Media Rights Agenda (MRA)-NCSG, NPOC-represented by Idowu Adewale
>
> Nigerian Youth IGF-NCSG, NPOC-represented by Morisola Alaba
>
> Africa Media and Information Technology Initiative- NCSG, NPOC-represented
> by Ibrahim Haruna Gazzali
>
> Women in Technology in Nigeria(WITIN)- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Martha
> Alade
>
> Advocacy Unified Network- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Bhattacharya
> Arindam EUR
>
> Internet Society Ghana Chapter- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Francis Acquah
> Amaning
>
> ISOC Benin Chapter- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Harold Adjaho
>
> Fundacao Estudar- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Cindyneia Cantanhede
>
> Digital Agenda for Tanzania Initiative- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Peter
> Mmbando
>
> Internet Society Cameroon Chapter- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Esther
> Sandrine Ngom AF
>
> Cyber Crime Awareness Foundation (CCA Foundation) - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC
> represented by Mohammad Mostafizur Rahaman AP
>
> India Internet Foundation NCSG, already approved Anupam Agrawal
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:27
> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "Exec. Comm" <
> ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, "npoc-ec at icann.org" <npoc-ec at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <
> brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Subject: *NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Please see below for the list of new members who have been updated in
> CiviCRM as current, and added to the necessary email lists. If you have any
> questions, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Individual Members:
>
> Lubomir Nikiforov-NCSG/NCUC
>
> Eunice Perez Coello- NCSG/NCUC
>
> Diego Lisoni- NCSG/NCUC
>
> Hakikur Rahman- NCSG/NCUC (already on both email lists)
>
> Nur Adlin Hanisah Binti Shahul Ikram- NCSG/NCUC
>
> Zin Myo Htet- NCSG/NCUC
>
> Phyo Thri Lwin-NCSG/NCUC
>
> Jean F Queralt-NCSG/NCUC (already on both email lists)
>
> Sara Mohamed-NCSG/NCUC
>
>
>
> Organizational Members:
>
> The IO Foundation(NCUC, they were already an NPOC member)-represented by
> Jean Queralt
>
> ISOC Palestine (NCSG/NCUC)-represented by Zaher Qasssrawi
>
> West Africa ICT Action Network (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Peterking Quaye
>
> PPDC Nigeria (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Simeon Favour
>
> ISOC Uganda (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Joan Katambi
>
> Finnish Internet Association (NCSG/NCUC/NPOC)-represented by Julf
> Helsingius
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> *Andrea Glandon*
>
> Policy Operations Coordinator
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NPOC-EC mailing list
> NPOC-EC at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-ec
>
> _______________________________________________
> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
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> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and
> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can
> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>


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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Thu Apr  6 02:56:50 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 23:56:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NPOC-EC] NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members
In-Reply-To: <CAL_ZvK7bGNJHXDCRdUP08M_0wZzyuz86LJY1ZxJCRvb0=Q+MVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4157836D-D3A9-46AB-ADC9-111AC9DF985E@icann.org>
 <E0F0B302-56A1-4752-9319-92BFB713DEBC@icann.org>
 <CAL_ZvK7bGNJHXDCRdUP08M_0wZzyuz86LJY1ZxJCRvb0=Q+MVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F975315-646D-44CB-AD92-D3129ACE4A2E@icann.org>

You?re welcome.

Yes, all new members have been added to the appropriate email lists.

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 16:36
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, "npoc-ec at icann.org" <npoc-ec at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NPOC-EC] NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members

Thank you Andrea.

I will be sending a welcome message NPOC mailing list to welcome the new members.

I believe they are all on the mailing list now?


On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 10:48?AM Andrea Glandon via NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org<mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>> wrote:
Hello again,

Please see below additional member approvals. Thank you so much to Julf for sending a list which made my job much easier!

Individual Members:
Pajaro Velasquez, Umut-NCSG/NCUC LAC
Gb??r? Achille Eye-NCSG/NCUC AF
Abdullah Qamar-NCSG/NCUC AP

Organizational Members:
Lebanese Cyberspace Association-NCSG, NCUC, NPOC-represented by Amin Hacha AP
Libyan Internet society- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC- represented by Omar Shuran AF
Oragization for Digital Africa- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC- represented by Nazarius Kirama AF
Media Rights Agenda (MRA)-NCSG, NPOC-represented by Idowu Adewale
Nigerian Youth IGF-NCSG, NPOC-represented by Morisola Alaba
Africa Media and Information Technology Initiative- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Ibrahim Haruna Gazzali
Women in Technology in Nigeria(WITIN)- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Martha Alade
Advocacy Unified Network- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Bhattacharya Arindam EUR
Internet Society Ghana Chapter- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Francis Acquah Amaning
ISOC Benin Chapter- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Harold Adjaho
Fundacao Estudar- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Cindyneia Cantanhede
Digital Agenda for Tanzania Initiative- NCSG, NPOC-represented by Peter Mmbando
Internet Society Cameroon Chapter- NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Esther Sandrine Ngom AF
Cyber Crime Awareness Foundation (CCA Foundation) - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC represented by Mohammad Mostafizur Rahaman AP
India Internet Foundation NCSG, already approved Anupam Agrawal


Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:27
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>, "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org<mailto:ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>>, "npoc-ec at icann.org<mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>" <npoc-ec at icann.org<mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>>
Cc: Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
Subject: NCSG/NCUC/NPOC New Members

Hello all,

Please see below for the list of new members who have been updated in CiviCRM as current, and added to the necessary email lists. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Individual Members:
Lubomir Nikiforov-NCSG/NCUC
Eunice Perez Coello- NCSG/NCUC
Diego Lisoni- NCSG/NCUC
Hakikur Rahman- NCSG/NCUC (already on both email lists)
Nur Adlin Hanisah Binti Shahul Ikram- NCSG/NCUC
Zin Myo Htet- NCSG/NCUC
Phyo Thri Lwin-NCSG/NCUC
Jean F Queralt-NCSG/NCUC (already on both email lists)
Sara Mohamed-NCSG/NCUC

Organizational Members:
The IO Foundation(NCUC, they were already an NPOC member)-represented by Jean Queralt
ISOC Palestine (NCSG/NCUC)-represented by Zaher Qasssrawi
West Africa ICT Action Network (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Peterking Quaye
PPDC Nigeria (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Simeon Favour
ISOC Uganda (NCSG/NPOC)-represented by Joan Katambi
Finnish Internet Association (NCSG/NCUC/NPOC)-represented by Julf Helsingius

Thank you!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Thu Apr 13 19:46:49 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:46:49 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN77 Design/Translation Deadlines
Message-ID: <E6595BB4-8170-43B6-A63E-1E808D7A6DB0@icann.org>

Dear NCSG EC,

We now have the dates for ICANN77 design and translation deadlines.

Starting with ICANN77, we have a change to our typical pre-meeting routine: we are not printing any materials; we are only going to be designing and translating meeting collateral.

Design deadline: Thursday, 27 April 2023
Translation deadline: Thursday, 11 May 2023

27 April 2023: DESIGN DEADLINE:
If you require design assistance for your publication, you need to provide all the text, images, layout, and publication type/size requirements (i.e. newsletter vs. 1-pager vs. trifold, etc.). You will receive a maximum of 2 iterations of the publication. Please provide everything by 27 April.   Please keep in mind that all materials, new or updated, need to be evergreen.

11 MAY 2023: TRANSLATION DEADLINE:
If your publication requires translation, please provide the final material(s) by 11 MAY. This ensures that there is enough time to translate the publication by the start of the meeting, with the possibility of potential changes to said translations. If your materials require design assistance (outlined above), please note that the final materials will have to be complete, including the edit/approval process, by this deadline to be translated.

Please make sure all content is given to Andrea by the dates above.

Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76


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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Apr 14 19:06:00 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:06:00 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG Election Timeline
Message-ID: <2D4C57FD-9DC0-4EA0-B1F9-70A220E1FC4C@icann.org>

Hello!

Below is a draft timeline for the NCSG chair (2023-2024 term) and GNSO Councilor election (2023-2025 term)

Julf Helsinguis-chair, eligible for re-election
Manju Chen-GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
Tomslin Samme-Nlar- GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
Farell Folly-GNSO Councilor, NOT eligible for re-election

Election Timeline:

Nomination period

Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May

Candidate statements posted to NCSG mailing list

by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May

Membership Call with candidates (if needed)

Monday, 15 May

Confidential, electronic voting period

00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May

Announcement of results

Friday, 26 May

ICANN75 travel support deadline

Friday, 23 June



Since NCSG, NCUC & NPOC all work with the same timeline, I will be sending this to their ECs as well. Please let me know if you have any questions or want to make any changes.

Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr 15 20:13:15 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:13:15 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN77 Block Schedule
In-Reply-To: <10FAD39D-D94E-48F8-A73A-F0B6604D8673@icann.org>
References: <10FAD39D-D94E-48F8-A73A-F0B6604D8673@icann.org>
Message-ID: <b4326db7-d66a-077a-9dd3-87e037e5aae3@Julf.com>

FYI, the current draft block schedule for ICANN77.

	Julf
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Apr 19 16:30:56 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
In-Reply-To: <62B7A7D8-861D-4D41-A890-5A08B17CB1A3@inta.org>
References: <5BD7FD6D-EECA-4BA4-895D-9C9A95F6E874@icann.org>
 <BL1PR12MB5030943FAB31444E420F1B58D3AF9@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <b4bd9c07-00df-210b-672b-10b0f2848835@gmail.com>
 <BL1PR12MB503001CC9887498DDAA07B06D3B29@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <2cd97614-be63-86d5-2764-793f02a60b62@gmail.com>
 <62B7A7D8-861D-4D41-A890-5A08B17CB1A3@inta.org>
Message-ID: <5c241010-4f63-47e2-d843-210f4af5c635@Julf.com>

Hi Lori,

I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.

Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the
deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't
been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking
questions.

As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and
considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think
reappointing him for one more term is best option.

	Julf



From julf at Julf.com  Wed Apr 19 18:25:14 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:25:14 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB50300C198ED327A0928DDDFDD3629@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB50300C198ED327A0928DDDFDD3629@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <bfe27569-ee5d-1eab-aacb-1197a2f9b83b@Julf.com>

FYI...


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:20:48 +0000
From: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>, julf at julf.com 
<julf at Julf.com>
CC: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>

Dear Julf,

Thank you for your patience with my recovery.  It has been a slog and 
with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to 
prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 
2018 agreement.  The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as 
we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture. 
I had asked a question about NCSG's concerns over Mark's inability to 
"stand up to" Becky.  I had mentioned that we do not feel that this is a 
criterion upon which we agree.  We would like to discuss this with NCSG 
ExCom in further detail as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing 
up to Becky either...at least not in public.  Becky has obvious 
strengths as a Board member but that should not be affecting our 
decisions about who should be representing us.  We had a very productive 
meeting with our Board incumbents last week and expect that all 
representatives have reached a point where they have something to offer. 
   We expect that Mark will fit right in and are sticking with our 
support of his candidacy.

That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is 
the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.   The 
way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of 
candidates" indefinitely.  This wastes a lot of time and effort.
I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break 
stalemates in the future.    I included them in one of our earlier 
messages but have not heard back on any of them.  The CSG has improved 
the draft since that first message and we are finalizing a proposal that 
we hope the NCSG will consider.  The deal benefits both sides of the 
house with each potentially having a candidate in place for 9 years. 
Once we have approved it internally, we will forward for NCSG's review 
and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion follow.  You can expect this 
proposal shortly.  I will revert back with an exact date.

Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary 
performance.  Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the 
standards of that performance are.  That is a failure of governance and 
should be corrected.  We are aware that the deadline is coming however, 
we would offer that we work out the long term issues while continuing to 
discuss the pros and cons of the current roster of Mark and Matthew. 
If we are truly stalemated, we will interview others, starting with 
Rafik.  At that point, we would offer another candidate too.  Let's use 
that as a last resort.  We would rather miss the deadline and solve our 
longer term issues than rush to reappoint the incumbent.
We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of 
geographic balance.  We are committed to not impeding the process for 
others.  However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an 
appropriate pace.

With kind regards,

Lori S. Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 
April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline

Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com>, Tim Smith 
<tim.smith at cipa.com>, csg-excomm at icann.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, 
Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Brian King <brian.king at clarivate.com>, 
philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, NCSG EC 
<ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Hi Lori,

I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.

Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline 
is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact 
with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.

As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and 
considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think 
reappointing him for one more term is best option.

	Julf



From julf at Julf.com  Thu Apr 20 21:32:18 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:32:18 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
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References: <5c241010-4f63-47e2-d843-210f4af5c635@Julf.com>
 <4f610cc0-6f64-d961-42fe-7869cc7099cf@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ef615394-dbef-3b8f-9527-ea412b9a9bc2@Julf.com>

Dear Lori,

I totally understand and agree with prioritizing your health and
day job.

My mentioning of "standing up to Becky" was in response to what I
understood, based on our discussion, was your concern with Matthew.
Seems I misunderstood you - my apologies!

Board members don't, as a rule, disagree with each other in public,
but behind the scenes there are heated discussions. We feel Mark
is currently still too inexperienced and lacks the gravitas to be
effective in the high-pressure board environment. In our interview
with Mark he also didn't convince us of him having the required
management skills and experience, nor the knowledge about the
peculiarities of the ICANN community and more specifically the NCPH
nuances. Unlike Mark, Matthew has actually shown he possesses all the
attributes that the ICANN bylaws list as requisites that need to be
demonstrated by Board Members a

I am not quite sure about who you are referring to with "our Board
incumbents", but I am occasionally reminded of the fact that English
is my third language.

I also disagree with the view that granting a 3rd term to a Board Member
should be based on extraordinary performance. The experience,
position and credibility within the board built up during the previous
terms is very valuable, and should not be wasted lightly. I feel that
unless there are serious concerns about the functioning of a board
member, we should prioritise giving these individuals preference over
someone unproven.

I agree there is a bigger issue, not just with the 2018 agreement but
in the cooperation within the NCPH. I really feel we need to bring back
the intercessional meetings or some other way to jointly discuss the
issues. I fear resolving those issues will take too long to provide
help for our current issue with the board seat 14.

In my 1-on-1 with Sally Costerton she expressed her serious concern
about how missing the deadline will reflect badly on all of ICANN,
and could be used against the whole multistakeholder model. Thus
I feel there is real time pressure to get the board seat issue
resolved.

We would also like to better understand your reasons for rejecting
Matthew, and what it would take for you to accept him. We are therefore
looking forward to a constructive discussion.

With kind regards,

	Julf


On 19/04/2023 17:20, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.  It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
> 
> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 2018 agreement.  The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture.   I had asked a question about NCSG's concerns over Mark's inability to "stand up to" Becky.  I had mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we agree.  We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further detail as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky either...at least not in public.  Becky has obvious strengths as a Board member but that should not be affecting our decisions about who should be representing us.  We had a very productive meeting with our Board incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have reached a point where they have something to offer.   We expect that Mark will fit right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
> 
> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.   The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.  This wastes a lot of time and effort.
> 
> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break stalemates in the future.    I included them in one of our earlier messages but have not heard back on any of them.  The CSG has improved the draft since that first message and we are finalizing a proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.  The deal benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a candidate in place for 9 years.   Once we have approved it internally, we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion follow.  You can expect this proposal shortly.  I will revert back with an exact date.
> 
> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary performance.  Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the standards of that performance are.  That is a failure of governance and should be corrected.  We are aware that the deadline is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the current roster of Mark and Matthew.   If we are truly stalemated, we will interview others, starting with Rafik.  At that point, we would offer another candidate too.  Let's use that as a last resort.  We would rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than rush to reappoint the incumbent.
> 
> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.  We are committed to not impeding the process for others.  However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> 
> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, csg-excomm at icann.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Brian King <brian.king at clarivate.com>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> 
> Hi Lori,
> 
> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
> 
> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
> 
> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
> 
> 	Julf
> 


From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Sat Apr 22 14:31:21 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:31:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] My suggested response to Lori on board seat 14
Message-ID: <141b54cc-2591-3b1e-9929-99d9522db2d1@gmail.com>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to
come back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is
very supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have explained your reservations with Matthew, it would help
me if you could list them again, as detailed, clear an unambiguous as
possible so that I don't misinterpret or miscommunicate them to our
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him
to develop much more support, experience and character - not something
that will happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a
signal that we could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed
and interviewed not just by our executive team, but also by members
of our policy committee (that is responsible for appointing
our representatives to PDPs and working groups), and not a single
member supported him. While his inexperience and lack of gravitas
are the most important reason, the team raised a lot of other concerns
and issues. We don't see Mark as a viable candidate.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC,
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you
don't seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf



From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr 22 14:30:13 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:30:13 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB50300738B3B71043E279965AD3609@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB50300738B3B71043E279965AD3609@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0d7933fe-1d9c-240c-f397-54dcda8b7a33@Julf.com>

So Mark is still the only possibility, and they want to bundle
in a change in the 2018 agreement too. Way to go...

	Julf



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: 	Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:46:00 +0000
From: 	Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
CC: 	csg-excomm at ICANN.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, Susan 
<Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, 'Brian King' 
<brian.king at clarivate.com>, MCole at perkinscoie.com 
<mcole at perkinscoie.com>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com 
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com>



Hi Julf,
Thank you for checking.? I agree that we desperately need an 
intersessional.?? When I say "incumbent/s".? I mean current seat 
holder/s without mentioning specific names.? Before we organize one, I 
have a few questions:
1) Does NCSG see the same need to revise the 2018 agreement as CSG does?
2) If NCSG agrees that a revision is essential to avoid stalemate 3 
years from now, is NCSG agreeable to tying the 2 issues together?? 2023 
Board Seat 14 selection and revised rules for nominations.
3) The CSG's position regarding the 3rd term should be extended for 
"extraordinary/exceptional performance" mirrors the standard used by the 
NomCom.? We believe that NCPH should adhere to similar standards.? We 
had reservations about renewing Matthew 3 years ago and we still do.? I 
explained them to you.? Mark brings strong experience in policy with a 
balanced approach and an aim toward compromise.? He has built strong 
relationships with NCSG and while you acknowledge Mark's strengths, you 
have indicated that you may support him 3 years from now but not now.? I 
think that needs to be more fully discussed.? Perhaps we can organize a 
call between our 2 excoms to sort this out?
We look forward to your responses to our questions.
With kind regards,
Lori S. Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org <http://www.inta.org>
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:04 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org
Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Dear Lori,
Yes, I did check, and according to them, the current board member keeps 
his seat until a replacement is found.
  ??????? Julf
On 20/04/2023 17:56, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Following up from my message,? I want also clarify that you were going to check with ICANN legal about the potential for stalemate and legal implications for ICANN.? is that right?? If so, have you heard anything.? If not, can you recall who made that  offer to check with legal.
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1>
> ,eLHYiQmPLuIfqOOFUUAzZ6uoC4lE_f9egVim69bPwV0Qp8K2CRdG34GbkQyPvNpl6jzYF
> nHYbxrjdJOBC2tstgkB_Snp-dtk4itxSnEnaaXX&typo=1
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lori Schulman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:21 PM
> To: 'Johan Helsingius' <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>; 
julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <mailto:csg-excomm at ICANN.org>
> Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> 
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.? It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
> 
> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 2018 agreement.? The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture.?? I had asked a question about NCSG's  concerns over Mark's inability to "stand up to" Becky.? I had 
mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we 
agree.? We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further detail 
as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky either...at 
least not in public.? Becky has obvious strengths as a Board member but 
that should not be affecting our decisions about who should be 
representing us.? We had a very productive meeting with our Board 
incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have reached a 
point where they have something to offer.?? We expect that Mark will fit 
right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
> 
> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.?? The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.? This wastes  a lot of time and effort.
> 
> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break stalemates in the future.??? I included them in one of our earlier messages but have not heard back on any of them.? The CSG has improved the draft since that first message and we are  finalizing a proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.? The deal 
benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a 
candidate in place for 9 years.?? Once we have approved it internally, 
we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion 
follow.? You can expect this proposal shortly.? I will revert back with 
an exact date.
> 
> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary performance.? Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the standards of that performance are.? That is a failure of governance and should be corrected.? We are aware that the  deadline is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long 
term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the current 
roster of Mark and Matthew.?? If we are truly stalemated, we will 
interview others, starting with Rafik.? At that point, we would offer 
another candidate too.? Let's use that as a last resort.? We would 
rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than rush to 
reappoint the incumbent.
> 
> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.? We are committed to not impeding the process for others.? However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1>
> ,Xk_rHz9qe1QbwE0imxE2ystoI7QxOoK2Ze_AMj1iBOinl3q_J1cnibYgeH0OjM9Vlpjuc
> Eo0DKjPSaeGnTkOwJHj4Qwtzm4onBtcOtFayA,,&typo=1
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> 
> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com <mailto:julf at Julf.com>>
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com <mailto:MCole at perkinscoie.com>>, Tim Smith
> <tim.smith at cipa.com <mailto:tim.smith at cipa.com>>, csg-excomm at icann.org 
<mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org> <csg-excomm at icann.org 
<mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>,
> Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com <mailto:Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>>, Brian King
> <brian.king at clarivate.com <mailto:brian.king at clarivate.com>>, 
philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>>, 
NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>,
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> 
> Hi Lori,
> 
> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
> 
> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
> 
> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
> 
>??????? Julf
> 


From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr 22 15:02:04 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 14:02:04 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] My suggested response to Lori on board seat 14
Message-ID: <3de688cb-7488-45a0-5ca3-8ff2a6cbd5a1@Julf.com>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to
come back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is
very supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have explained your reservations with Matthew, it would help
me if you could list them again, as detailed, clear an unambiguous as
possible so that I don't misinterpret or miscommunicate them to our
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him
to develop much more support, experience and character - not something
that will happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a
signal that we could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed
and interviewed not just by our executive team, but also by members
of our policy committee (that is responsible for appointing
our representatives to PDPs and working groups), and not a single
member supported him. While his inexperience and lack of gravitas
are the most important reason, the team raised a lot of other concerns
and issues. We don't see Mark as a viable candidate.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC,
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you
don't seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf



From julf at Julf.com  Sun Apr 23 22:34:46 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:34:46 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
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Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to
come back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is
very supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have previously explained your reservations with Matthew in
general, listing them again, in detail, would help provide a clear and
unambiguous understanding the objections that CSG has. This would also
prevent me misinterpreting or miscommunicating your views to our 
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him
to develop much more support and experience - not something
that will happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a
signal that we could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed
and interviewed not just by our executive team, but also by members
of our policy committee (that is responsible for appointing
our representatives to PDPs and working groups), and not a single
member supported him. While his inexperience and lack of gravitas
are the most important reason, the team raised a lot of other concerns
and issues. We don't see Mark as a viable candidate, and I hope
you will respect the judgement of our EC and PC.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC,
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you
don't seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf


On 21/04/2023 19:46, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> Thank you for checking.? I agree that we desperately need an 
> intersessional.?? When I say "incumbent/s".? I mean current seat 
> holder/s without mentioning specific names.? Before we organize one, I 
> have a few questions:
> 1) Does NCSG see the same need to revise the 2018 agreement as CSG does?
> 2) If NCSG agrees that a revision is essential to avoid stalemate 3 
> years from now, is NCSG agreeable to tying the 2 issues together?? 2023 
> Board Seat 14 selection and revised rules for nominations.
> 3) The CSG's position regarding the 3rd term should be extended for 
> "extraordinary/exceptional performance" mirrors the standard used by the 
> NomCom.? We believe that NCPH should adhere to similar standards.? We 
> had reservations about renewing Matthew 3 years ago and we still do.? I 
> explained them to you.? Mark brings strong experience in policy with a 
> balanced approach and an aim toward compromise.? He has built strong 
> relationships with NCSG and while you acknowledge Mark's strengths, you 
> have indicated that you may support him 3 years from now but not now.? I 
> think that needs to be more fully discussed.? Perhaps we can organize a 
> call between our 2 excoms to sort this out?
> We look forward to your responses to our questions.
> With kind regards,
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org <http://www.inta.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> Dear Lori,
> Yes, I did check, and according to them, the current board member keeps 
> his seat until a replacement is found.
>  ??????? Julf
> On 20/04/2023 17:56, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Following up from my message,? I want also clarify that you were going to check with ICANN legal about the potential for stalemate and legal implications for ICANN.? is that right?? If so, have you heard anything.? If not, can you recall who made that  offer to check with legal.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lori Schulman
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:21 PM
>> To: 'Johan Helsingius' <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>; 
> julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <mailto:csg-excomm at ICANN.org>
>> Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.? It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
>> 
>> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 2018 agreement.? The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture.?? I had asked a question about NCSG's  concerns over Mark's inability to "stand up to" Becky.? I had 
> mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we 
> agree.? We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further detail 
> as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky either...at 
> least not in public.? Becky has obvious strengths as a Board member but 
> that should not be affecting our decisions about who should be 
> representing us.? We had a very productive meeting with our Board 
> incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have reached a 
> point where they have something to offer.?? We expect that Mark will fit 
> right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
>> 
>> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.?? The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.? This wastes  a lot of time and effort.
>> 
>> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break stalemates in the future.??? I included them in one of our earlier messages but have not heard back on any of them.? The CSG has improved the draft since that first message and we are  finalizing a proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.? The deal 
> benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a 
> candidate in place for 9 years.?? Once we have approved it internally, 
> we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion 
> follow.? You can expect this proposal shortly.? I will revert back with 
> an exact date.
>> 
>> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary performance.? Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the standards of that performance are.? That is a failure of governance and should be corrected.? We are aware that the  deadline is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long 
> term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the current 
> roster of Mark and Matthew.?? If we are truly stalemated, we will 
> interview others, starting with Rafik.? At that point, we would offer 
> another candidate too.? Let's use that as a last resort.? We would 
> rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than rush to 
> reappoint the incumbent.
>> 
>> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.? We are committed to not impeding the process for others.? However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com <mailto:julf at Julf.com>>
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com <mailto:MCole at perkinscoie.com>>, Tim Smith
>> <tim.smith at cipa.com <mailto:tim.smith at cipa.com>>, csg-excomm at icann.org 
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org> <csg-excomm at icann.org 
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>,
>> Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com <mailto:Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>>, Brian King
>> <brian.king at clarivate.com <mailto:brian.king at clarivate.com>>, 
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>>, 
> NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>,
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>> 
>> Hi Lori,
>> 
>> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
>> 
>> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
>> 
>> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
>> 
>>??????? Julf
>> 


From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 14:38:08 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 13:38:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
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FYI...

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 20:18:59 +0000
From: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>

Hi Julf,

I will forward your reply to our ExCom and revert with a response 
shortly.  Thank you for your candor.

With kind regards,

Lori S. Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 
23, 2023 9:36 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:34:46 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
CC: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, Susan 
<Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, 'Brian King' 
<brian.king at clarivate.com>, MCole at perkinscoie.com 
<mcole at perkinscoie.com>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com 
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, ncsg-pc 
<ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to come 
back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is very 
supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase 
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise 
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility 
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work 
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think 
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process 
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both 
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint 
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be 
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is 
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable 
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have previously explained your reservations with Matthew in 
general, listing them again, in detail, would help provide a clear and 
unambiguous understanding the objections that CSG has. This would also 
prevent me misinterpreting or miscommunicating your views to our 
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years 
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him to 
develop much more support and experience - not something that will 
happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a signal that we 
could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed and interviewed not 
just by our executive team, but also by members of our policy committee 
(that is responsible for appointing our representatives to PDPs and 
working groups), and not a single member supported him. While his 
inexperience and lack of gravitas are the most important reason, the 
team raised a lot of other concerns and issues. We don't see Mark as a 
viable candidate, and I hope you will respect the judgement of our EC 
and PC.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC, 
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you don't 
seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious 
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf


On 21/04/2023 19:46, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> Thank you for checking.? I agree that we desperately need an 
> intersessional.?? When I say "incumbent/s".? I mean current seat 
> holder/s without mentioning specific names.? Before we organize one, I 
> have a few questions:
> 1) Does NCSG see the same need to revise the 2018 agreement as CSG does?
> 2) If NCSG agrees that a revision is essential to avoid stalemate 3 
> years from now, is NCSG agreeable to tying the 2 issues together?  
> 2023 Board Seat 14 selection and revised rules for nominations.
> 3) The CSG's position regarding the 3rd term should be extended for 
> "extraordinary/exceptional performance" mirrors the standard used by 
> the NomCom.? We believe that NCPH should adhere to similar standards.  
> We had reservations about renewing Matthew 3 years ago and we still 
> do.? I explained them to you.? Mark brings strong experience in policy 
> with a balanced approach and an aim toward compromise.? He has built 
> strong relationships with NCSG and while you acknowledge Mark's 
> strengths, you have indicated that you may support him 3 years from 
> now but not now.? I think that needs to be more fully discussed.  
> Perhaps we can organize a call between our 2 excoms to sort this out?
> We look forward to your responses to our questions.
> With kind regards,
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org, 
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline Dear 
> Lori, Yes, I did check, and according to them, the current board 
> member keeps his seat until a replacement is found.
>  ??????? Julf
> On 20/04/2023 17:56, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Following up from my message,? I want also clarify that you were going to check with ICANN legal about the potential for stalemate and legal implications for ICANN.? is that right?? If so, have you heard anything.? If not, can you recall who made that  offer to check with legal.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,
>> 1
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>>   
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lori Schulman
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:21 PM
>> To: 'Johan Helsingius' <julf.helsingius at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>;
> julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <mailto:csg-excomm at ICANN.org>
>> Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.? It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
>> 
>> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 
>> 2018 agreement.? The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik 
>> as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this 
>> juncture.?? I had asked a question about NCSG's  concerns over Mark's 
>> inability to "stand up to" Becky.? I had
> mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we 
> agree.? We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further 
> detail as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky 
> either...at least not in public.? Becky has obvious strengths as a 
> Board member but that should not be affecting our decisions about who 
> should be representing us.? We had a very productive meeting with our 
> Board incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have 
> reached a point where they have something to offer.?? We expect that 
> Mark will fit right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
>> 
>> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.?? The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.? This wastes  a lot of time and effort.
>> 
>> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break 
>> stalemates in the future.??? I included them in one of our earlier 
>> messages but have not heard back on any of them.? The CSG has 
>> improved the draft since that first message and we are  finalizing a 
>> proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.? The deal
> benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a 
> candidate in place for 9 years.?? Once we have approved it internally, 
> we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH 
> discussion follow.? You can expect this proposal shortly.? I will 
> revert back with an exact date.
>> 
>> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on 
>> extraordinary performance.? Our sides of the house have not agreed on 
>> what the standards of that performance are.? That is a failure of 
>> governance and should be corrected.? We are aware that the  deadline 
>> is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long
> term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the 
> current roster of Mark and Matthew.?? If we are truly stalemated, we 
> will interview others, starting with Rafik.? At that point, we would 
> offer another candidate too.? Let's use that as a last resort.? We 
> would rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than 
> rush to reappoint the incumbent.
>> 
>> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.? We are committed to not impeding the process for others.? However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com <mailto:julf at Julf.com>>
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com 
>> <mailto:MCole at perkinscoie.com>>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com 
>> <mailto:tim.smith at cipa.com>>, csg-excomm at icann.org
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org> <csg-excomm at icann.org 
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>,
>> Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com <mailto:Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>>, 
>> Brian King <brian.king at clarivate.com 
>> <mailto:brian.king at clarivate.com>>,
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>>,
> NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>,
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>> 
>> Hi Lori,
>> 
>> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
>> 
>> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
>> 
>> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
>> 
>>??????? Julf
>> 


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Apr 24 18:15:58 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:15:58 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG Election Timeline
In-Reply-To: <2D4C57FD-9DC0-4EA0-B1F9-70A220E1FC4C@icann.org>
References: <2D4C57FD-9DC0-4EA0-B1F9-70A220E1FC4C@icann.org>
Message-ID: <9F648141-1CCD-463E-B5D1-6FDF3416BAE9@icann.org>

Hello all,

Checking in to confirm if this timeline is approved?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, April 14, 2023 at 11:06
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: NCSG Election Timeline

Hello!

Below is a draft timeline for the NCSG chair (2023-2024 term) and GNSO Councilor election (2023-2025 term)

Julf Helsinguis-chair, eligible for re-election
Manju Chen-GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
Tomslin Samme-Nlar- GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
Farell Folly-GNSO Councilor, NOT eligible for re-election

Election Timeline:

Nomination period

Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May

Candidate statements posted to NCSG mailing list

by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May

Membership Call with candidates (if needed)

Monday, 15 May

Confidential, electronic voting period

00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May

Announcement of results

Friday, 26 May

ICANN75 travel support deadline

Friday, 23 June



Since NCSG, NCUC & NPOC all work with the same timeline, I will be sending this to their ECs as well. Please let me know if you have any questions or want to make any changes.

Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Apr 24 18:53:19 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:53:19 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] 2023 Election Timelines
Message-ID: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>

Hello all!

I am bringing all of the groups together to discuss the election timeline. Traditionally the groups all hold their elections together. Below is the timeline that has been sent to all ECs. We do have some time built in before NCSG names have to be turned in for ICANN78. I am happy to adjust this timeline by a week to two. In fact, I think at this point it may be a good idea to postpone at least 1 week. Selfishly, I would like to keep all of the elections at the same time, as this makes keeping track of elections a bit easier. However, I am happy to adjust as each EC sees fit.

Nomination period

Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May

Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list

by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May

Membership Call with candidates (if needed)

Monday, 15 May

Confidential, electronic voting period

00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May

Announcement of results

Friday, 26 May

ICANN78 travel support deadline

Friday, 23 June


Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 24 19:25:38 2023
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 16:25:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NPOC-EC] 2023 Election Timelines
In-Reply-To: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>
References: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>
Message-ID: <1312301357.4128781.1682353538097@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Andrea, 
I am comfortable with the current timeline election. If necessary any adjust could be good to move it just one week. 
Best Regards,

JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Director - MINKA DIGITAL ColombiaNPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
Master IT candidate, UNAD
Registered Linux User No.533108.


Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
Instagram/Twitter:?@JmanuRojas





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    El lunes, 24 de abril de 2023, 10:53:24 a.?m. GMT-5, Andrea Glandon via NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org> escribi?:  
 
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Hello all!
 
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I am bringing all of the groups together to discuss the election timeline. Traditionally the groups all hold their elections together. Below is the timeline that has been sent to all ECs. We do have some time built in before NCSG names have to be turned in for ICANN78. I am happy to adjust this timeline by a week to two. In fact, I think at this point it may be a good idea to postpone at least 1 week. Selfishly, I would like to keep all of the elections at the same time, as this makes keeping track of elections a bit easier. However, I am happy to adjust as each EC sees fit.
 
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| 
Nomination period?
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Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May
  |
| 
Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list
  | 
by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May
  |
| 
Membership Call with candidates (if needed)?
  | 
Monday, 15 May
  |
| 
Confidential, electronic voting period
  | 
00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May
  |
| 
Announcement of results
  | 
Friday, 26 May?
  |
| 
ICANN78 travel support deadline
  | 
Friday,?23 June
  |


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Thanks!
 
Andrea Glandon
 
Policy Operations Coordinator
 
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
 
Skype ID:? acglandon76
 
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From julf at Julf.com  Mon Apr 24 22:12:40 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 21:12:40 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG Election Timeline
In-Reply-To: <9F648141-1CCD-463E-B5D1-6FDF3416BAE9@icann.org>
References: <2D4C57FD-9DC0-4EA0-B1F9-70A220E1FC4C@icann.org>
 <9F648141-1CCD-463E-B5D1-6FDF3416BAE9@icann.org>
Message-ID: <d87ecd26-ba20-2d74-4aa4-d26de4cf4632@Julf.com>

No problem with it.

	Julf

On 24/04/2023 17:15, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Checking in to confirm if this timeline is approved?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Friday, April 14, 2023 at 11:06
> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Cc: *Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer 
> <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea 
> Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Subject: *NCSG Election Timeline
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Below is a draft timeline for the NCSG chair (2023-2024 term) and GNSO 
> Councilor election (2023-2025 term)
> 
> Julf Helsinguis-chair, eligible for re-election
> 
> Manju Chen-GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
> 
> Tomslin Samme-Nlar- GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
> 
> Farell Folly-GNSO Councilor, NOT eligible for re-election
> 
> Election Timeline:
> 
> Nomination period
> 
> 	
> 
> Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May
> 
> Candidate statements posted to NCSG mailing list
> 
> 	
> 
> by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May
> 
> Membership Call with candidates (if needed)
> 
> 	
> 
> Monday, 15 May
> 
> Confidential, electronic voting period
> 
> 	
> 
> 00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May
> 
> Announcement of results
> 
> 	
> 
> Friday, 26 May
> 
> ICANN75 travel support deadline
> 
> 	
> 
> Friday,?23 June
> 
> Since NCSG, NCUC & NPOC all work with the same timeline, I will be 
> sending this to their ECs as well. Please let me know if you have any 
> questions or want to make any changes.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> *Andrea Glandon*
> 
> Policy Operations Coordinator
> 
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
> *Skype ID:*? acglandon76
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec


From robin at ipjustice.org  Mon Apr 24 23:41:18 2023
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 13:41:18 -0700
Subject: [NCSG-EC] NCSG Election Timeline
In-Reply-To: <2D4C57FD-9DC0-4EA0-B1F9-70A220E1FC4C@icann.org>
References: <2D4C57FD-9DC0-4EA0-B1F9-70A220E1FC4C@icann.org>
Message-ID: <D0C148F4-CEA6-4F49-8913-A6180D01C984@ipjustice.org>

Looks good to me.  Thank you!

Best,
Robin

> On Apr 14, 2023, at 9:06 AM, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> 
> Hello!
>  
> Below is a draft timeline for the NCSG chair (2023-2024 term) and GNSO Councilor election (2023-2025 term)
>  
> Julf Helsinguis-chair, eligible for re-election
> Manju Chen-GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
> Tomslin Samme-Nlar- GNSO Councilor, eligible for re-election
> Farell Folly-GNSO Councilor, NOT eligible for re-election
>  
> Election Timeline:
>  
> Nomination period 
> Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May
> Candidate statements posted to NCSG mailing list
> by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May
> Membership Call with candidates (if needed) 
> Monday, 15 May
> Confidential, electronic voting period
> 00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May
> Announcement of results
> Friday, 26 May 
> ICANN75 travel support deadline
> Friday, 23 June
>  
> Since NCSG, NCUC & NPOC all work with the same timeline, I will be sending this to their ECs as well. Please let me know if you have any questions or want to make any changes.
>  
> Thanks!
> Andrea Glandon
> Policy Operations Coordinator
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> Skype ID:  acglandon76
>  
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is>
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec>
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From bikram.shrestha at idea.com.np  Tue Apr 25 06:52:32 2023
From: bikram.shrestha at idea.com.np (Bikram Shrestha)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 09:37:32 +0545
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NPOC-EC] 2023 Election Timelines
In-Reply-To: <1312301357.4128781.1682353538097@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>
 <1312301357.4128781.1682353538097@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31d298caad81123d2f1bc06ca5293f08@idea.com.np>

I am also ok with suggestion.

thank you
Bikram

On 2023-04-24 22:10, Juan Manuel Rojas via NPOC-EC wrote:
> Thanks Andrea,
> 
> I am comfortable with the current timeline election. If necessary any
> adjust could be good to move it just one week.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
> 
> Master IT candidate, UNAD
> 
> Registered Linux User No.533108.
> 
> Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
> Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas [1]
> 
>  El lunes, 24 de abril de 2023, 10:53:24 a. m. GMT-5, Andrea Glandon
> via NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org> escribi?:
> 
> Hello all!
> 
> I am bringing all of the groups together to discuss the election
> timeline. Traditionally the groups all hold their elections together.
> Below is the timeline that has been sent to all ECs. We do have some
> time built in before NCSG names have to be turned in for ICANN78. I am
> happy to adjust this timeline by a week to two. In fact, I think at
> this point it may be a good idea to postpone at least 1 week.
> Selfishly, I would like to keep all of the elections at the same time,
> as this makes keeping track of elections a bit easier. However, I am
> happy to adjust as each EC sees fit.
> 
>  Nomination period
> 
>  Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May
> 
>  Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list
> 
>  by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May
> 
>  Membership Call with candidates (if needed)
> 
>  Monday, 15 May
> 
>  Confidential, electronic voting period
> 
>  00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May
> 
>  Announcement of results
> 
>  Friday, 26 May
> 
>  ICANN78 travel support deadline
> 
>  Friday, 23 June
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> ANDREA GLANDON
> 
> Policy Operations Coordinator
> 
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
> SKYPE ID:  acglandon76
> 
>    _______________________________________________
> NPOC-EC mailing list
> NPOC-EC at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-ec
> 
> _______________________________________________
> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy
> (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of
> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman
> link above to change your membership status or configuration,
> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
> delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas
> _______________________________________________
> NPOC-EC mailing list
> NPOC-EC at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-ec
> 
> _______________________________________________
> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy
> (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of
> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman
> link above to change your membership status or configuration,
> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
> delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

-- 
...........
Bikram Shrestha


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Apr 25 09:04:58 2023
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 09:04:58 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] 2023 Election Timelines
In-Reply-To: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>
References: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>
Message-ID: <ZEdtiv6XHp2wCuAB@falcon.tarvainen.info>

Fine with me, either as shown below or a week or two later.

Tapani

On Apr 24 15:53, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> 
> Hello all!
> 
> I am bringing all of the groups together to discuss the election timeline. Traditionally the groups all hold their elections together. Below is the timeline that has been sent to all ECs. We do have some time built in before NCSG names have to be turned in for ICANN78. I am happy to adjust this timeline by a week to two. In fact, I think at this point it may be a good idea to postpone at least 1 week. Selfishly, I would like to keep all of the elections at the same time, as this makes keeping track of elections a bit easier. However, I am happy to adjust as each EC sees fit.
> 
> Nomination period
> 
> Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May
> 
> Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list
> 
> by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May
> 
> Membership Call with candidates (if needed)
> 
> Monday, 15 May
> 
> Confidential, electronic voting period
> 
> 00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May
> 
> Announcement of results
> 
> Friday, 26 May
> 
> ICANN78 travel support deadline
> 
> Friday, 23 June
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> Andrea Glandon
> Policy Operations Coordinator
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> Skype ID:  acglandon76
> 
> 
> 

> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec


-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Apr 25 18:18:22 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 15:18:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] ICANN77 Design/Translation Deadlines
In-Reply-To: <E6595BB4-8170-43B6-A63E-1E808D7A6DB0@icann.org>
References: <E6595BB4-8170-43B6-A63E-1E808D7A6DB0@icann.org>
Message-ID: <1D29CB70-B7BD-441D-8F4C-9F3B96DAB900@icann.org>

Hello all!

The ICANN77 design deadline is this week, Thursday, 27 April 2023. Please let me know if the NCSG will have any design needs for ICANN77.

27 April 2023: DESIGN DEADLINE:
If you require design assistance for your publication, you need to provide all the text, images, layout, and publication type/size requirements (i.e. newsletter vs. 1-pager vs. trifold, etc.). You will receive a maximum of 2 iterations of the publication. Please provide everything by 27 April.   Please keep in mind that all materials, new or updated, need to be evergreen.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:46
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: ICANN77 Design/Translation Deadlines

Dear NCSG EC,

We now have the dates for ICANN77 design and translation deadlines.

Starting with ICANN77, we have a change to our typical pre-meeting routine: we are not printing any materials; we are only going to be designing and translating meeting collateral.

Design deadline: Thursday, 27 April 2023
Translation deadline: Thursday, 11 May 2023

27 April 2023: DESIGN DEADLINE:
If you require design assistance for your publication, you need to provide all the text, images, layout, and publication type/size requirements (i.e. newsletter vs. 1-pager vs. trifold, etc.). You will receive a maximum of 2 iterations of the publication. Please provide everything by 27 April.   Please keep in mind that all materials, new or updated, need to be evergreen.

11 MAY 2023: TRANSLATION DEADLINE:
If your publication requires translation, please provide the final material(s) by 11 MAY. This ensures that there is enough time to translate the publication by the start of the meeting, with the possibility of potential changes to said translations. If your materials require design assistance (outlined above), please note that the final materials will have to be complete, including the edit/approval process, by this deadline to be translated.

Please make sure all content is given to Andrea by the dates above.

Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76


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From hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 25 19:58:30 2023
From: hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com (Hfaiedh Ines)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 17:58:30 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCUC-EC] [NPOC-EC] 2023 Election Timelines
In-Reply-To: <31d298caad81123d2f1bc06ca5293f08@idea.com.np>
References: <1BE41011-644D-44B5-8CDE-E45ABCABD70A@icann.org>
 <1312301357.4128781.1682353538097@mail.yahoo.com>
 <31d298caad81123d2f1bc06ca5293f08@idea.com.np>
Message-ID: <CAOMFwi=zh4OFXnfsKzuTRMcJzXsBJKppbw6yOpbUnZpsA2W4ew@mail.gmail.com>

I also second moving the timeline by one week.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 14:19 Bikram Shrestha <bikram.shrestha at idea.com.np>
wrote:

> I am also ok with suggestion.
>
> thank you
> Bikram
>
> On 2023-04-24 22:10, Juan Manuel Rojas via NPOC-EC wrote:
> > Thanks Andrea,
> >
> > I am comfortable with the current timeline election. If necessary any
> > adjust could be good to move it just one week.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
> > Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
> > NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
> >
> > Master IT candidate, UNAD
> >
> > Registered Linux User No.533108.
> >
> > Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
> > Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas [1]
> >
> >  El lunes, 24 de abril de 2023, 10:53:24 a. m. GMT-5, Andrea Glandon
> > via NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org> escribi?:
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > I am bringing all of the groups together to discuss the election
> > timeline. Traditionally the groups all hold their elections together.
> > Below is the timeline that has been sent to all ECs. We do have some
> > time built in before NCSG names have to be turned in for ICANN78. I am
> > happy to adjust this timeline by a week to two. In fact, I think at
> > this point it may be a good idea to postpone at least 1 week.
> > Selfishly, I would like to keep all of the elections at the same time,
> > as this makes keeping track of elections a bit easier. However, I am
> > happy to adjust as each EC sees fit.
> >
> >  Nomination period
> >
> >  Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May
> >
> >  Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list
> >
> >  by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May
> >
> >  Membership Call with candidates (if needed)
> >
> >  Monday, 15 May
> >
> >  Confidential, electronic voting period
> >
> >  00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May
> >
> >  Announcement of results
> >
> >  Friday, 26 May
> >
> >  ICANN78 travel support deadline
> >
> >  Friday, 23 June
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ANDREA GLANDON
> >
> > Policy Operations Coordinator
> >
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >
> > SKYPE ID:  acglandon76
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Apr 26 16:09:38 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:09:38 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NPOC-EC] 2023 Election Timelines
Message-ID: <444652D5-6DB6-4A45-905A-423D2D0B6468@icann.org>

Thank you everyone for your input. The chairs of all 3 groups have approved a slight change to the timeline:


Check-in begins

Monday, 08 May

Nomination period

Monday, 08 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 15 May

Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list

by 23:59 UTC Friday, 19 May

Membership Call with candidates (if needed)/Check-in ends

Monday, 22 May

Confidential, electronic voting period

00:00 UTC Wednesday, 24 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 31 May

Announcement of results

Friday, 02 June

ICANN78 travel support deadline

Friday, 23 June



Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NPOC-EC <npoc-ec-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:53
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "'Exec. Comm'" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, "npoc-ec at icann.org" <npoc-ec at icann.org>
Subject: [NPOC-EC] 2023 Election Timelines

Hello all!

I am bringing all of the groups together to discuss the election timeline. Traditionally the groups all hold their elections together. Below is the timeline that has been sent to all ECs. We do have some time built in before NCSG names have to be turned in for ICANN78. I am happy to adjust this timeline by a week to two. In fact, I think at this point it may be a good idea to postpone at least 1 week. Selfishly, I would like to keep all of the elections at the same time, as this makes keeping track of elections a bit easier. However, I am happy to adjust as each EC sees fit.

Nomination period

Monday, 01 May to 23:59 UTC Monday, 08 May

Candidate statements posted to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC mailing list

by 23:59 UTC Friday, 12 May

Membership Call with candidates (if needed)

Monday, 15 May

Confidential, electronic voting period

00:00 UTC Wednesday, 17 May to 23:59 UTC Wednesday, 24 May

Announcement of results

Friday, 26 May

ICANN78 travel support deadline

Friday, 23 June


Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From julf at julf.com  Thu Apr 27 07:36:00 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 23:36:00 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf)
 Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <902DC027-42C1-40DB-8B9C-ED2C84FB61DC@icann.org>
References: <902DC027-42C1-40DB-8B9C-ED2C84FB61DC@icann.org>
Message-ID: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>

Wow!

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: 
NomCom Rebalancing
Date: 	Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
From: 	Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
To: 	julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
CC: 	tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, 
Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>



Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,

Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of 
Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.

Thank you and best regards,

Wendy Profit

Board Operations Senior Manager

ICANN
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Thu Apr 27 14:35:04 2023
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Digital)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:35:04 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan
 (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
References: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
Message-ID: <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>

I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
cheers Steph 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Wow!
> 
>    Julf
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
> 
> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
> 
> Thank you and best regards,
> 
> Wendy Profit
> 
> Board Operations Senior Manager
> 
> ICANN
> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From julf at julf.com  Thu Apr 27 15:29:58 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:29:58 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan
 (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>
References: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
 <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>
Message-ID: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>

Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
review specifically.

It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
discussion to our whole membership?

	Julf

On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
> I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
> May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
> cheers Steph
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Wow!
>>
>>     Julf
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
>> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
>> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
>> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
>>
>> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
>>
>> Thank you and best regards,
>>
>> Wendy Profit
>>
>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>> ICANN
>> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Thu Apr 27 19:38:22 2023
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Digital)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:38:22 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan
 (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
References: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
Message-ID: <0BC1B627-DF56-4865-A246-2D8E45D7D4B2@digitaldiscretion.ca>

yes we must. and soon, this is gardening season, I am busy.  if you will send a note to the list, I promise to have an outline of a google doc figured out by tomorrow afternoon.  Even sooner if my back goes out raking!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2023, at 08:30, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
> non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
> need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
> review specifically.
> 
> It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
> discussion to our whole membership?
> 
>    Julf
> 
>> On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
>> I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
>> May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
>> cheers Steph
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Wow!
>>> 
>>>    Julf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
>>> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
>>> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
>>> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
>>> 
>>> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
>>> 
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>> 
>>> Wendy Profit
>>> 
>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>> 
>>> ICANN
>>> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From muyiwacaleb at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 19:58:07 2023
From: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan
 (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
References: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
 <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>
 <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAL_ZvK7J8pRRoKUeOqkAwaodrEe_Fkm90qBUKBe_OS2yM79_sQ@mail.gmail.com>

@ Stephanie, I'd be interested to work with you on this. We can also
schedule an hour meeting to discuss since we are in the same time zone. I
also know a couple of people interested in joining the write-up and the
approach we can adopt.

But first, let me do some basic breakdown using the GNSO and ALAC as
comparison vs the fact that the new bylaw continues to empower delegates as
voting members means that if ALAC has 5 votes as a single
constituency based on their RALOs, then, we are short playing ourselves if
we don't get 3 slots for NCUC, NPOC, and NCSG. However, that is not
realistic and will never be considered. what I think is realistic is to get
the 2 slots distributed between NCUC and NPOC but decided by NCSG which is
the mothership. The additional implication is that numbers-wise, we can be
out-voted if our interest does not align.

I also understand that when we send representatives there, they look at the
overall perspective of ICANN as an ORG. However, there are human elements
and biases when it comes to constituency reflection on the board and other
roles.

[image: image.png]

Visually from the image above, it shows that BC  and RSG has two slots.
What we can consider is approach through backchanneling for balancing from
this perspective.

On the other hand, as per the new bylaw change request, there is a blank
cheque here by the strike-through in the document. What I rather perceive
is that there is a big reset here that allows all seven GNSO folks to come
together and reconfigure. What the strike-through means is that we give you
guys 7 slots, go fix it amongst yourselves.
Quoting Julf from a different exchange which I totally agree with ."GNSO to
give NCSG 2
slots and the CSG to have 3 slots and CPH to have 2 slots"


[image: image.png]

The strikethrough in the image below technically means the NCUC does not
have the unique powers to only send someone to NomCom as decided by their
EC alone.
It empowers NCSG more this time. This then means NCSG will try to balance
both NCUC/ NPOC internally.
[image: image.png]




On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 7:30?AM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
> non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
> need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
> review specifically.
>
> It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
> discussion to our whole membership?
>
>         Julf
>
> On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
> > I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response,
> not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of
> past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past
> 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users
> actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees
> play in that regard?
> > May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless
> cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally
> meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to
> draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for
> their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were
> others.
> > cheers Steph
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Wow!
> >>
> >>     Julf
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius
> RE: NomCom Rebalancing
> >> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
> >> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
> >> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
> >> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>,
> Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
> >>
> >> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board
> of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
> >>
> >> Thank you and best regards,
> >>
> >> Wendy Profit
> >>
> >> Board Operations Senior Manager
> >>
> >> ICANN
> >> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NCSG-PC mailing list
> >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>


-- 
*Caleb Ogundele*
Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
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From julf at julf.com  Thu Apr 27 20:11:03 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:11:03 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-EC] [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan
 (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <0BC1B627-DF56-4865-A246-2D8E45D7D4B2@digitaldiscretion.ca>
References: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
 <0BC1B627-DF56-4865-A246-2D8E45D7D4B2@digitaldiscretion.ca>
Message-ID: <98fa6a38-7f3f-83b8-71fe-820d8b1ca149@julf.com>

Will do it tonight or tomorrow (right now in Helsinki at Finnish ISOC
chapter board meeting).

	Julf


On 27/04/2023 11:38, Digital wrote:
> yes we must. and soon, this is gardening season, I am busy.  if you will send a note to the list, I promise to have an outline of a google doc figured out by tomorrow afternoon.  Even sooner if my back goes out raking!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 08:30, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
>> non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
>> need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
>> review specifically.
>>
>> It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
>> discussion to our whole membership?
>>
>>     Julf
>>
>>> On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
>>> I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
>>> May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
>>> cheers Steph
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Wow!
>>>>
>>>>     Julf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
>>>> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
>>>> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
>>>> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>
>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>
>>>> ICANN
>>>> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
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>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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