[NCSG-EC] Vaibhav

Wed Jun 3 12:15:20 EEST 2020

Milton has nothing to apologise for, as far as I'm concerned. I might've
been even less polite, had I seen this ridiculous energy waster yesterday.

-Raoul

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 03:36, U Of T via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
wrote:

> He has sent me such a direct complaint. No specifics of course.  I guess i
> have to respond. He is demanding I make Milton apologize on the list.
> Advice welcome.
> Steph
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 20:29, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <
> rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> I got the confirmation from Rafik that Vaibhav is now on filter mode.
>
> I'll start another thread to deal with the technical side of that...
>
> But for the main issue, I suggest we leave it at that and filter
> everything until the election is over, and take a second look by then.
>
> Also, he seems to imply he wants to file a complaint against Milton. I
> guess we should still reply to that - something like if you want to file a
> complaint, you have to do it in writing to the Chair?
>
> Let me know. Hopefully with the filter in place and maybe a few more
> reminders if more people try to keep the discussion rolling, we can put
> that behind us and move on with our lives...
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:22 PM Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Looks fine to me.  Thanks for doing this Raphael!
>>
>> SP
>> On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This was not my initial interpretation of his message either, but I can
>> see how and why you can interpret it that way Steph.
>>
>> But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be addressed in
>> the context of the EC. It has ramifications into both your history as a
>> NCSG chair, and the "issues" with our rigid gender rules that now put you
>> in a situation where you are (almost) elected by default. The
>> interpretation you put forward is legitimate in your circumstances, but it
>> has to be inferred, from a rather complex situation and long-standing
>> situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav though is rather straightforward and
>> can be addressed right away.
>>
>> This is what I plan to send him later today, with your agreement:
>>
>> "Vaibhav,
>>
>> We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the NCSG mailing
>> list at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election Clarifications" thread.
>>
>> After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be in violation
>> of both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior.
>>
>> Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows:
>> "Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include without limitation:
>> adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies; supporting the bottom-up consensus
>> model; treating others with dignity, respect, and courtesy; listening
>> attentively and seeking to understand others; acting with honesty,
>> sincerity, and integrity."
>>
>> Your recent interventions on the mailing list were generally borderline
>> regarding these Charter committments, and the one we referred to above
>> constitutes a direct violation.
>>
>> We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand your involvement
>> with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks, accusations and threats you
>> made in that post.
>>
>> Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be found in
>> violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your suspension from the
>> mailing list and a further review of your membership status by the NCSG
>> Executive Committee.
>>
>> We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter.
>>
>> Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive Committee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but more of what we
>>> face every election - people imaging ways of using the existing ballot and
>>> rules to achieve various results.  It isn’t the first time we’ve had
>>> abstain / NOTA conversations and probably won’t be the last.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <
>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just responded to James' comment, in hopes that this would douse the
>>> flames.  I also resent the thread of reminders about the election
>>> process....I trust it made it to the list.
>>>
>>> I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an offlist note is required.
>>> I would really appreciate it if you did it, because frankly it looks like I
>>> am retaliating and might serve to escalate matters.
>>>
>>> I also think Milton is out of line.  I am well aware of how much he
>>> would like me not to run, but to suggest to the list that they send me a
>>> message about how unwelcome I am, by voting abstain....well, besides being
>>> hurtful, I think it is a kind of electioneering that ought to be
>>> discouraged.  Encourage people to vote for your candidate of choice, sure.
>>>
>>> I also think that encouraging me to step down so the EC can appoint the
>>> person they really want raises all kinds of questions about how fair the
>>> election process is.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents.
>>>
>>> SP
>>> On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> What he said to Milton is disrespectful, and contains specific
>>> accusations as well as threats. I think he needs to be reminded off-list of
>>> the expected standards of behavior at ICANN and encouraged to withdraw what
>>> he said and eventually apologize. If he keeps lashing on, then to me thats
>>> a case of temporary suspension from the mailing list with further review on
>>> our side.
>>>
>>> Milton is harsh, and I also think he should exercise restraint in such
>>> circumstances, and it would be fair game to remind him. His point could be
>>> made without certain words, irrespective of their being "true" or not. But
>>> Vaibhav's surely went way over the line as far as standards of behavior are
>>> concerned, much more than Milton ever did.
>>>
>>> I know you don't like to play the cop Steph, but I do think it's
>>> required, unfortunately. If you don't feel like it, I can volunteer, or
>>> someone else can go ahead too.
>>>
>>> But let's quickly discuss first; let me know what you all think.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>>
>>>
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