[NCSG-EC] Vaibhav

Stephanie E Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Jun 3 00:21:39 EEST 2020


Looks fine to me.  Thanks for doing this Raphael!

SP

On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This was not my initial interpretation of his message either, but I 
> can see how and why you can interpret it that way Steph.
>
> But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be addressed in 
> the context of the EC. It has ramifications into both your history as 
> a NCSG chair, and the "issues" with our rigid gender rules that now 
> put you in a situation where you are (almost) elected by default. The 
> interpretation you put forward is legitimate in your circumstances, 
> but it has to be inferred, from a rather complex situation and 
> long-standing situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav though is rather 
> straightforward and can be addressed right away.
>
> This is what I plan to send him later today, with your agreement:
>
> "Vaibhav,
>
> We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the NCSG mailing 
> list at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election Clarifications" thread.
>
> After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be in 
> violation of both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected Standards of 
> Behavior.
>
> Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows:
> "Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include without 
> limitation: adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies; supporting the 
> bottom-up consensus model; treating others with dignity, respect, and 
> courtesy; listening attentively and seeking to understand others; 
> acting with honesty, sincerity, and integrity."
>
> Your recent interventions on the mailing list were generally 
> borderline regarding these Charter committments, and the one we 
> referred to above constitutes a direct violation.
>
> We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand your 
> involvement with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks, accusations 
> and threats you made in that post.
>
> Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be found in 
> violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your suspension from the 
> mailing list and a further review of your membership status by the 
> NCSG Executive Committee.
>
> We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter.
>
> Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>
>     I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but more of
>     what we face every election - people imaging ways of using the
>     existing ballot and rules to achieve various results.  It isn’t
>     the first time we’ve had abstain / NOTA conversations and probably
>     won’t be the last.
>
>     Best,
>     Robin
>
>>     On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC
>>     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>>
>>     I just responded to James' comment, in hopes that this would
>>     douse the flames.  I also resent the thread of reminders about
>>     the election process....I trust it made it to the list.
>>
>>     I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an offlist note is
>>     required.  I would really appreciate it if you did it, because
>>     frankly it looks like I am retaliating and might serve to
>>     escalate matters.
>>
>>     I also think Milton is out of line.  I am well aware of how much
>>     he would like me not to run, but to suggest to the list that they
>>     send me a message about how unwelcome I am, by voting
>>     abstain....well, besides being hurtful, I think it is a kind of
>>     electioneering that ought to be discouraged.  Encourage people to
>>     vote for your candidate of choice, sure.
>>
>>     I also think that encouraging me to step down so the EC can
>>     appoint the person they really want raises all kinds of questions
>>     about how fair the election process is.
>>
>>     Just my two cents.
>>
>>     SP
>>
>>     On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC
>>     wrote:
>>>     Hi all
>>>
>>>     What he said to Milton is disrespectful, and contains specific
>>>     accusations as well as threats. I think he needs to be reminded
>>>     off-list of the expected standards of behavior at ICANN and
>>>     encouraged to withdraw what he said and eventually apologize. If
>>>     he keeps lashing on, then to me thats a case of temporary
>>>     suspension from the mailing list with further review on our side.
>>>
>>>     Milton is harsh, and I also think he should exercise restraint
>>>     in such circumstances, and it would be fair game to remind him.
>>>     His point could be made without certain words, irrespective of
>>>     their being "true" or not. But Vaibhav's surely went way over
>>>     the line as far as standards of behavior are concerned, much
>>>     more than Milton ever did.
>>>
>>>     I know you don't like to play the cop Steph, but I do think it's
>>>     required, unfortunately. If you don't feel like it, I can
>>>     volunteer, or someone else can go ahead too.
>>>
>>>     But let's quickly discuss first; let me know what you all think.
>>>
>>>     Have a nice day,
>>>
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