[NCSG-EC] Vaibhav
Stephanie E Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Jun 3 00:21:39 EEST 2020
Looks fine to me. Thanks for doing this Raphael!
SP
On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This was not my initial interpretation of his message either, but I
> can see how and why you can interpret it that way Steph.
>
> But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be addressed in
> the context of the EC. It has ramifications into both your history as
> a NCSG chair, and the "issues" with our rigid gender rules that now
> put you in a situation where you are (almost) elected by default. The
> interpretation you put forward is legitimate in your circumstances,
> but it has to be inferred, from a rather complex situation and
> long-standing situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav though is rather
> straightforward and can be addressed right away.
>
> This is what I plan to send him later today, with your agreement:
>
> "Vaibhav,
>
> We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the NCSG mailing
> list at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election Clarifications" thread.
>
> After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be in
> violation of both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected Standards of
> Behavior.
>
> Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows:
> "Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include without
> limitation: adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies; supporting the
> bottom-up consensus model; treating others with dignity, respect, and
> courtesy; listening attentively and seeking to understand others;
> acting with honesty, sincerity, and integrity."
>
> Your recent interventions on the mailing list were generally
> borderline regarding these Charter committments, and the one we
> referred to above constitutes a direct violation.
>
> We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand your
> involvement with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks, accusations
> and threats you made in that post.
>
> Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be found in
> violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your suspension from the
> mailing list and a further review of your membership status by the
> NCSG Executive Committee.
>
> We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter.
>
> Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>
> I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but more of
> what we face every election - people imaging ways of using the
> existing ballot and rules to achieve various results. It isn’t
> the first time we’ve had abstain / NOTA conversations and probably
> won’t be the last.
>
> Best,
> Robin
>
>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC
>> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>>
>> I just responded to James' comment, in hopes that this would
>> douse the flames. I also resent the thread of reminders about
>> the election process....I trust it made it to the list.
>>
>> I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an offlist note is
>> required. I would really appreciate it if you did it, because
>> frankly it looks like I am retaliating and might serve to
>> escalate matters.
>>
>> I also think Milton is out of line. I am well aware of how much
>> he would like me not to run, but to suggest to the list that they
>> send me a message about how unwelcome I am, by voting
>> abstain....well, besides being hurtful, I think it is a kind of
>> electioneering that ought to be discouraged. Encourage people to
>> vote for your candidate of choice, sure.
>>
>> I also think that encouraging me to step down so the EC can
>> appoint the person they really want raises all kinds of questions
>> about how fair the election process is.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> SP
>>
>> On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC
>> wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> What he said to Milton is disrespectful, and contains specific
>>> accusations as well as threats. I think he needs to be reminded
>>> off-list of the expected standards of behavior at ICANN and
>>> encouraged to withdraw what he said and eventually apologize. If
>>> he keeps lashing on, then to me thats a case of temporary
>>> suspension from the mailing list with further review on our side.
>>>
>>> Milton is harsh, and I also think he should exercise restraint
>>> in such circumstances, and it would be fair game to remind him.
>>> His point could be made without certain words, irrespective of
>>> their being "true" or not. But Vaibhav's surely went way over
>>> the line as far as standards of behavior are concerned, much
>>> more than Milton ever did.
>>>
>>> I know you don't like to play the cop Steph, but I do think it's
>>> required, unfortunately. If you don't feel like it, I can
>>> volunteer, or someone else can go ahead too.
>>>
>>> But let's quickly discuss first; let me know what you all think.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>>
>>>
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