[NCSG-EC] Fwd: [Ext] David Cake is not an authorised representative/contributor from Electronic Frontiers Australia

Fri Nov 15 15:52:47 EET 2019

I think removing membership from NPOC is punishment enough, to be honest
and we already did that, at least on our list of members. The complaint is
fairly public already. I think the next and perhaps final step would be to
ask Lyndsey for a replacement to Dave, possibly two, (OR & AR).

-Raoul

On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 at 14:57, Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> I've been gathering information to know what we should do. According to
> our records David Cake is only member as Organizational Representative for
> EFA, so we can let aside any thought about his individual membership. On
> the other hand, I was reading both NPOC and NCSG charter and I found the
> following:
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> In NCSG charter says: *"The Official Representative must be formally
> delegated authority to represent the Member Organization within NCSG
> proceedings by an authorized officer or official of that Member
> Organization"*, forward it mention about loss of membership:
> *"In the event that an NCSG member in good standing believes that
> membership is  held inappropriately by another organization or individual,
> a request can be made  to the NCSG EC to review whether the disputed member
> meets the criteria for  membership."* I have not found any other mention
> to sanction or penalties on this regard.
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> Otherwise, in NPOC charter under *9.3 Privileges and Limitations *says: "
> *In the event the (NPOC) EC discovers that a member did not declare a
> potential conflict of interest, its membership shall be suspended by the EC
> for six (6) months." *
>
> My two cents,
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> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
> Presidente - AGEIA DENSI Colombia
> NCSG EC - ICANN
> Cluster Orinoco TIC member
> Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
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> Cel. +57 3017435600
> Twitter: @JmanuRojas <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>
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> El jueves, 14 de noviembre de 2019 05:17:06 p. m. GMT-5, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escribió:
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> Thanks!
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> SP
> On 2019-11-14 15:13, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:
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> Hi Stephanie,
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> 4 votes for NCSG, and NCUC; 1 for NPOC.
>
> —
> Many thanks,
>
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> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: ‭+44 7846 471777‬
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> On 14 Nov 2019, at 17:12, Stephanie Perrin via NCSG-EC
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
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> Just out of curiousity, I wonder how many votes David got?  4 for NPOC and
> 4 for NCUC/  How does that work Maryam?
>
> cheers Steph
>
> PS I am sending David the complaint with the name removed.  I do not want
> to receive a privacy complaint on top of everything else.
> On 2019-11-14 09:19, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
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> Hi all,
> As NPOC Membership Chair I will ask her give us a name to change of their
> representative in our Constituency.
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> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
> Presidente - AGEIA DENSI Colombia
> Membership Committee Chair. Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns
> Constituency (NPOC) - ICANN
> Cluster Orinoco TIC member
> Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
>
> Cel. +57 3017435600
> Twitter: @JmanuRojas [twitter.com]
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> El miércoles, 13 de noviembre de 2019 06:20:26 p. m. GMT-5, Raphaël
> Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> escribió:
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> Ok yes so he is indeed listed as representative of EFA as well as an
> "employee" of that organization.
>
> I think it would be important to know whether anyone represents EFA at
> this point as far as NPOC is concerned however; otherwise we'll have a
> technically inactive org.
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> Best,
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 6:18 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <
> rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Can't access members.ncsg.is [members.ncsg.is]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__members.ncsg.is&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=WerCxVkqVxuQVsVPYCQ3y4n0uwenza8YMUkeFqrW2OM&s=MXYFch-rg2gPFFHMOPHzOyrE5sXRntSLOoY5XZLpl8E&e=>
> just now and I am not informed of who he claims/ed to represent, but if he
> indeed does not represent any organization then he must be an individual
> member, with whatever ensues on the side of NPOC.
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> So yes do contact him.
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> Best,
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 6:09 PM U Of T via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> wrote:
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> I will reach out to her and explain how our membership system works.  If
> you all agree, I will notify David immediately that he has to change his
> membership status in NCSG to individual.  I guess that means dropping out
> of NPOC?
> Cheers Stephanie
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From:* Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> *Date:* November 13, 2019 at 16:43:35 EST
> *To:* Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA>
> *Subject:* *FW:  [Ext] David Cake is not an authorised
> representative/contributor from Electronic Frontiers Australia*
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> Hi Stephanie,
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> FYI…
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> Many thanks,
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> *Maryam Bakoshi* | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
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> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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> *S*: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | *T*: +44 7846 471777
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> *From: *Lyndsey Jackson EFA Chair <chair at efa.org.au>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 12 November 2019 at 04:58
> *To: *Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Peter Tonoli <peter at metaverse.org>
> *Subject: *[Ext] David Cake is not an authorised
> representative/contributor from Electronic Frontiers Australia
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> Dear Maryam Bakoshi,
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> I have been contacted by a participant at ICANN in regards to a complaint
> made against David Cake. While I do not wish to make any judgement on the
> complaint of the process, one thing that is very concerning is that this
> person is under the impression that David Cake has been participating on
> behalf of Electronic Frontiers Australia as a representative to the
> Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency of ICANN.
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> David Cake in no way has authority from the EFA board to do this. David
> was not renominated for the board in 2017. In 2018 he was renominated,
> however shortly after the board unanimously voted to remove him. He does
> not have any board approval to represent the organisation, he has not
> advised the board of any involvement, and has not reported back to the
> board at all. He has not been the Chair of EFA for the past two years, I
> have. David is still involved in the EFA policy committee, however he holds
> no position or authorisation, and his involvement over the past two years
> has been marginal.
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> I have emailed David to ask him to clarify and confirm that he is not
> participating in ICANN as a representative of EFA. If he is, it would be a
> breach of the organisations rules. I have also asked that he emails you to
> ask that this page be updated as a priority to remove the line about David
> being the EFA chair https://npoc.org/leadership/ [npoc.org]
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> I do expect him to do this, however would like this updated as a matter of
> priority regardless.
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> I would also request that if there are any other materials, online
> profiles, or places where his representation of EFA is stated that that too
> be updated with the EFA reference removed.
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> I realise post ICANN it's probably a busy time for you, but when
> appropriate I would very much value you being in touch to advise on how EFA
> can continue appropriate representation in ICANN going forward.
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> Many thanks,
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> Lyndsey
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> Peter Tonoli EFA Vice Chair cc'd into correspondence
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>   Electronic Frontiers Australia
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>   chair at efa.org.au
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