[NCSG-EC] Membership Approval Process Document

[farzaneh badii]

Looks like no one has any objections. For the avoidance of doubt I will
wait until beginning of next week before decalaring approval, I appreciate
if you could weigh in positively even if it's just saying you approve.

Google Doc is here:
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit>

Members questions and answers:





*2. Why is it essential for us that you protect and aim to advance the
noncommercial interest in domain name policy as an NCSG and its
constituencies member?*

The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "*If you are
a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large
Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of
the civil society, you are eligible to apply."*

Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters
and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be
ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC
chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified
and made an example of ISOC chapters.


Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden thinks
that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks it's
cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads as:


 For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of domain
registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to apply
for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate about the
noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does not
directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of
At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations
(RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil
society, you are eligible to apply.
If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users
and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property
constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG
is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers
and experts as our members, but their mission is to prevent intellectual
property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights
and commercial rights



This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the
questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join
NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.  if someone
is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it
should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line
with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG
EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.



*3. How does the approval process work?*


Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I added
his sentence.

Remmy has commented that: We shall not loose sight of the fact that at
times also our constituencies have new members first before their
membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies
from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.

To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first
become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC
without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency is not
compulsory and members can just be independent NCSG members without joining
constituencies.


Farzaneh


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:14 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear NCSG members
>
> Please go through the membership approval process below in the Google doc,
> I have tried to resolve the issues raised or provide answers to the
> comments. The remaining issues which I highlighted in my email to the list
> and responded to did not attract any response. please go through the
> document and see if you can approve the document as is by the end of the
> week.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:07 PM
> Subject: Membership Approval Process Document
> To: NCSG List <ncsg-discuss at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
>
>
> These are the comments that we have so far received on the approval
> guidelines at the Google Doc:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit
>
> I am going to submit this to NCSG EC, unless you find something concerning
> until the end of the week.
>
> Here is how I addressed the issues that were raised by the members.
>
> Question 2 and 3 received some substantive comments, see below:
>
>
>
> *2. Why is it essential for us that you protect and aim to advance the
> noncommercial interest in domain name policy as an NCSG and its
> constituencies member? *
>
> The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "*If you
> are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large
> Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of
> the civil society, you are eligible to apply."*
>
> Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters
> and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be
> ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC
> chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified
> and made an example of ISOC chapters.
>
>
> Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden thinks
> that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks it's
> cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads as:
>
>
>  For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of
> domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to
> apply for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate
> about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does
> not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of
> At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations
> (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil
> society, you are eligible to apply.
> If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users
> and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
> commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property
> constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG
> is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers
> and experts as our members, but their mission is to prevent intellectual
> property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights
> and commercial rights
>
>
>
> This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the
> questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join
> NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.  if someone
> is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it
> should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line
> with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG
> EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.
>
>
>
> *3. How does the approval process work? *
>
>
> Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I
> added his sentence.
>
> Remmy has commented that: We shall not loose sight of the fact that at
> times also our constituencies have new members first before their
> membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies
> from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.
>
> To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first
> become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC
> without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency is not
> compulsory and members can just be independent NCSG members without joining
> constituencies.
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
> --
> Farzaneh
>
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