From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Jun  5 16:52:58 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:52:58 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
Message-ID: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear EC,

Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
meeting after all.

That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
for her.

Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From pileleji at ymca.gm  Mon Jun  5 17:26:17 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:26:17 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAEux40vLeuWBrfLaJ-3jL7zgKCWABxN373EfgQmnQCRoqT0WQA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Tapani,

Thanks for the Info, I will suggest someone in the NCSG - Policy set up
that is a lady and can travel at short notice.

That's my take

Poncelet

On 5 June 2017 at 13:52, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is
> wrote:

> Dear EC,
>
> Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> meeting after all.
>
> That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> for her.
>
> Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>



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From robin at ipjustice.org  Tue Jun  6 05:55:32 2017
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 19:55:32 -0700
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>

Thanks for letting us know, Tapani.  How about sending Michael Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania?  Michael has been very active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.  I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time frame - this is just a quick impression.  

Thanks,
Robin

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> 
> Dear EC,
> 
> Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> meeting after all.
> 
> That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> for her.
> 
> Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> 
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec



From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Jun  6 08:21:01 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 08:21:01 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <20170606052100.j5yfjeuqszydlphs@roller.tarvainen.info>

Hi Robin,

I believe Michael is coming to Johannesburg as NCUC EC member,
so travel-wise it would be an easy solution.

Likewise Avri, who's traveling there as CCWG-Acct member (only
supported for two days but staying the entire meeting, she could use
the hotel room I believe).

I'm sure both of them could handle the job. Poncelet's point about
maintaining gender balance would favour Avri, though even if we go
with Michael there'd still be two women.

Another option would be Anriette Esterhausen, who lives in
Johannesburg - I don't know if she'd be interested but I could ask.

Of those three, Avri would be rather obviously best qualified, and by
far the most experienced, but we could consider other factors, like
giving others a chance to get more experience.

Any of them would make Constituency Travel happy. :-)

But if there us someone we'd like get there who otherwise couldn't
and who could go and be effective in the council, we'd have a
travel slot available.

Tapani

On Jun 05 19:55, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> 
> Thanks for letting us know, Tapani. How about sending Michael
> Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania? Michael has been very
> active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may
> not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.
> I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time
> frame - this is just a quick impression.

> Thanks,
> Robin
> 
> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> > 
> > Dear EC,
> > 
> > Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> > meeting after all.
> > 
> > That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> > for her.
> > 
> > Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> > appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> > still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> > Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tapani Tarvainen


From Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu  Tue Jun  6 09:35:17 2017
From: Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu (Zalnieriute, Monika)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 06:35:17 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <20170606052100.j5yfjeuqszydlphs@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>,
 <20170606052100.j5yfjeuqszydlphs@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <HE1PR0501MB2010D972F5325E641082EDBCF6CB0@HE1PR0501MB2010.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Dear All,


Yes, Avri and/or Micheal sounds good to me. Perhaps we should use the slot strategically - to cover people's travel, or then appoint an alternate who has travel but still give travel slot to someone else who needs it (as I dont think its a good idea to just to let it go).


So whats Avri's situation - she is covered fro 2 days only, but flight is also covered?


Monika


Kind regards,



Dr. Monika Zalnieriute



Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |

The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I

185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I



Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I

Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I



Representative @ Executive Committee I

Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I










________________________________
From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:21 AM
To: ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg

Hi Robin,

I believe Michael is coming to Johannesburg as NCUC EC member,
so travel-wise it would be an easy solution.

Likewise Avri, who's traveling there as CCWG-Acct member (only
supported for two days but staying the entire meeting, she could use
the hotel room I believe).

I'm sure both of them could handle the job. Poncelet's point about
maintaining gender balance would favour Avri, though even if we go
with Michael there'd still be two women.

Another option would be Anriette Esterhausen, who lives in
Johannesburg - I don't know if she'd be interested but I could ask.

Of those three, Avri would be rather obviously best qualified, and by
far the most experienced, but we could consider other factors, like
giving others a chance to get more experience.

Any of them would make Constituency Travel happy. :-)

But if there us someone we'd like get there who otherwise couldn't
and who could go and be effective in the council, we'd have a
travel slot available.

Tapani

On Jun 05 19:55, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
>
> Thanks for letting us know, Tapani. How about sending Michael
> Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania? Michael has been very
> active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may
> not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.
> I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time
> frame - this is just a quick impression.

> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> >
> > Dear EC,
> >
> > Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> > meeting after all.
> >
> > That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> > for her.
> >
> > Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> > appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> > still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> > Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> >
> > --
> > Tapani Tarvainen
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Jun  6 10:22:43 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:22:43 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0501MB2010D972F5325E641082EDBCF6CB0@HE1PR0501MB2010.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>
 <20170606052100.j5yfjeuqszydlphs@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <HE1PR0501MB2010D972F5325E641082EDBCF6CB0@HE1PR0501MB2010.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <20170606072243.4qfvlq3crhwnlcx3@roller.tarvainen.info>

Hi Monika,

Avri's flights are covered, along with hotel for two days prior the
meeting proper (when CCWG-Acct meets), but no hotel for the actual
meeting - she could use that.

Yes, it would be good if we could find someone to offer the flight,
but I would not worry all that much if we can't: even if it may feel
like a loss to us, there's no point in wasting ICANN's money just so
we get as much as possible for us.

And whoever we pick would have to take on the job of councillor,
it can't be someone who'd just be useful there otherwise.
So "strategic" use of the slot would be a bit difficult in this case.

But if we had someone who has enough experience to be useful and even
more so someone who wants to engage more in the future this would be a
good opportunity.

Tapani

On Jun 06 06:35, Zalnieriute, Monika (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> Yes, Avri and/or Micheal sounds good to me. Perhaps we should use the slot strategically - to cover people's travel, or then appoint an alternate who has travel but still give travel slot to someone else who needs it (as I dont think its a good idea to just to let it go).
> 
> 
> So whats Avri's situation - she is covered fro 2 days only, but flight is also covered?
> 
> 
> Monika
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Monika Zalnieriute
> 
> 
> 
> Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |
> 
> The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I
> 
> 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I
> 
> 
> 
> Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I
> 
> Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I
> 
> 
> 
> Representative @ Executive Committee I
> 
> Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:21 AM
> To: ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
> 
> Hi Robin,
> 
> I believe Michael is coming to Johannesburg as NCUC EC member,
> so travel-wise it would be an easy solution.
> 
> Likewise Avri, who's traveling there as CCWG-Acct member (only
> supported for two days but staying the entire meeting, she could use
> the hotel room I believe).
> 
> I'm sure both of them could handle the job. Poncelet's point about
> maintaining gender balance would favour Avri, though even if we go
> with Michael there'd still be two women.
> 
> Another option would be Anriette Esterhausen, who lives in
> Johannesburg - I don't know if she'd be interested but I could ask.
> 
> Of those three, Avri would be rather obviously best qualified, and by
> far the most experienced, but we could consider other factors, like
> giving others a chance to get more experience.
> 
> Any of them would make Constituency Travel happy. :-)
> 
> But if there us someone we'd like get there who otherwise couldn't
> and who could go and be effective in the council, we'd have a
> travel slot available.
> 
> Tapani
> 
> On Jun 05 19:55, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for letting us know, Tapani. How about sending Michael
> > Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania? Michael has been very
> > active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may
> > not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.
> > I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time
> > frame - this is just a quick impression.
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Robin
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear EC,
> > >
> > > Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> > > meeting after all.
> > >
> > > That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> > > for her.
> > >
> > > Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> > > appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> > > still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> > > Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tapani Tarvainen


From Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu  Tue Jun  6 10:49:56 2017
From: Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu (Zalnieriute, Monika)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 07:49:56 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <20170606072243.4qfvlq3crhwnlcx3@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>
 <20170606052100.j5yfjeuqszydlphs@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <HE1PR0501MB2010D972F5325E641082EDBCF6CB0@HE1PR0501MB2010.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
 <20170606072243.4qfvlq3crhwnlcx3@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <HE1PR0501MB2010D01C4C70CEA2D5980D6EF6CB0@HE1PR0501MB2010.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Tapani,


Thanks, I get the point. And what about Micheal - is he also covered - partially or fully?

Yes, I guess it makes sense to get Avri the hotel if we decide to appoint her,


What does Joan think?


Best wishes,


Monika


Kind regards,



Dr. Monika Zalnieriute



Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |

The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I

185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I



Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I

Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I



Representative @ Executive Committee I

Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I










________________________________
From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:22 AM
To: NCSG EC
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg

Hi Monika,

Avri's flights are covered, along with hotel for two days prior the
meeting proper (when CCWG-Acct meets), but no hotel for the actual
meeting - she could use that.

Yes, it would be good if we could find someone to offer the flight,
but I would not worry all that much if we can't: even if it may feel
like a loss to us, there's no point in wasting ICANN's money just so
we get as much as possible for us.

And whoever we pick would have to take on the job of councillor,
it can't be someone who'd just be useful there otherwise.
So "strategic" use of the slot would be a bit difficult in this case.

But if we had someone who has enough experience to be useful and even
more so someone who wants to engage more in the future this would be a
good opportunity.

Tapani

On Jun 06 06:35, Zalnieriute, Monika (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> Yes, Avri and/or Micheal sounds good to me. Perhaps we should use the slot strategically - to cover people's travel, or then appoint an alternate who has travel but still give travel slot to someone else who needs it (as I dont think its a good idea to just to let it go).
>
>
> So whats Avri's situation - she is covered fro 2 days only, but flight is also covered?
>
>
> Monika
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dr. Monika Zalnieriute
>
>
>
> Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |
>
> The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I
>
> 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I
>
>
>
> Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I
>
> Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I
>
>
>
> Representative @ Executive Committee I
>
> Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:21 AM
> To: ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
>
> Hi Robin,
>
> I believe Michael is coming to Johannesburg as NCUC EC member,
> so travel-wise it would be an easy solution.
>
> Likewise Avri, who's traveling there as CCWG-Acct member (only
> supported for two days but staying the entire meeting, she could use
> the hotel room I believe).
>
> I'm sure both of them could handle the job. Poncelet's point about
> maintaining gender balance would favour Avri, though even if we go
> with Michael there'd still be two women.
>
> Another option would be Anriette Esterhausen, who lives in
> Johannesburg - I don't know if she'd be interested but I could ask.
>
> Of those three, Avri would be rather obviously best qualified, and by
> far the most experienced, but we could consider other factors, like
> giving others a chance to get more experience.
>
> Any of them would make Constituency Travel happy. :-)
>
> But if there us someone we'd like get there who otherwise couldn't
> and who could go and be effective in the council, we'd have a
> travel slot available.
>
> Tapani
>
> On Jun 05 19:55, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for letting us know, Tapani. How about sending Michael
> > Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania? Michael has been very
> > active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may
> > not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.
> > I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time
> > frame - this is just a quick impression.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Robin
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear EC,
> > >
> > > Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> > > meeting after all.
> > >
> > > That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> > > for her.
> > >
> > > Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> > > appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> > > still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> > > Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tapani Tarvainen
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From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 15:10:08 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
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Message-ID: <20170606121006.aarv4et2ri74ijmo@roller.tarvainen.info>

Hi Monika,

It turns out Michael is in same situation as Avri: he's not
traveling as NCUC EC member but as a rapporteur supported
only for two days and could use the extra hotel nights as well.

Also, all three are willing to do it.

Not an easy choice.

Tapani

On Jun 06 07:49, Zalnieriute, Monika (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote:
> 
> Hi Tapani,
> 
> 
> Thanks, I get the point. And what about Micheal - is he also covered - partially or fully?
> 
> Yes, I guess it makes sense to get Avri the hotel if we decide to appoint her,
> 
> 
> What does Joan think?
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> 
> Monika
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Monika Zalnieriute
> 
> 
> 
> Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |
> 
> The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I
> 
> 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I
> 
> 
> 
> Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I
> 
> Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I
> 
> 
> 
> Representative @ Executive Committee I
> 
> Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:22 AM
> To: NCSG EC
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
> 
> Hi Monika,
> 
> Avri's flights are covered, along with hotel for two days prior the
> meeting proper (when CCWG-Acct meets), but no hotel for the actual
> meeting - she could use that.
> 
> Yes, it would be good if we could find someone to offer the flight,
> but I would not worry all that much if we can't: even if it may feel
> like a loss to us, there's no point in wasting ICANN's money just so
> we get as much as possible for us.
> 
> And whoever we pick would have to take on the job of councillor,
> it can't be someone who'd just be useful there otherwise.
> So "strategic" use of the slot would be a bit difficult in this case.
> 
> But if we had someone who has enough experience to be useful and even
> more so someone who wants to engage more in the future this would be a
> good opportunity.
> 
> Tapani
> 
> On Jun 06 06:35, Zalnieriute, Monika (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> > Yes, Avri and/or Micheal sounds good to me. Perhaps we should use the slot strategically - to cover people's travel, or then appoint an alternate who has travel but still give travel slot to someone else who needs it (as I dont think its a good idea to just to let it go).
> >
> >
> > So whats Avri's situation - she is covered fro 2 days only, but flight is also covered?
> >
> >
> > Monika
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute
> >
> >
> >
> > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |
> >
> > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I
> >
> > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I
> >
> >
> >
> > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I
> >
> > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I
> >
> >
> >
> > Representative @ Executive Committee I
> >
> > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:21 AM
> > To: ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
> >
> > Hi Robin,
> >
> > I believe Michael is coming to Johannesburg as NCUC EC member,
> > so travel-wise it would be an easy solution.
> >
> > Likewise Avri, who's traveling there as CCWG-Acct member (only
> > supported for two days but staying the entire meeting, she could use
> > the hotel room I believe).
> >
> > I'm sure both of them could handle the job. Poncelet's point about
> > maintaining gender balance would favour Avri, though even if we go
> > with Michael there'd still be two women.
> >
> > Another option would be Anriette Esterhausen, who lives in
> > Johannesburg - I don't know if she'd be interested but I could ask.
> >
> > Of those three, Avri would be rather obviously best qualified, and by
> > far the most experienced, but we could consider other factors, like
> > giving others a chance to get more experience.
> >
> > Any of them would make Constituency Travel happy. :-)
> >
> > But if there us someone we'd like get there who otherwise couldn't
> > and who could go and be effective in the council, we'd have a
> > travel slot available.
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> > On Jun 05 19:55, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for letting us know, Tapani. How about sending Michael
> > > Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania? Michael has been very
> > > active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may
> > > not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.
> > > I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time
> > > frame - this is just a quick impression.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Robin
> > >
> > > > On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear EC,
> > > >
> > > > Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> > > > meeting after all.
> > > >
> > > > That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> > > > for her.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> > > > appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> > > > still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> > > > Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tapani Tarvainen


From joankerr at fbsc.org  Tue Jun  6 16:02:07 2017
From: joankerr at fbsc.org (Joan Kerr)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:02:07 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CADwmshJv0ymONte-cJDNR=G-dximXsvgK8Ouu24TfxZafozjEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tapani, All

I was going to suggest Avri, but that is already addressed.
Joan

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Dear EC,
>
> Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> meeting after all.
>
> That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> for her.
>
> Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Tue Jun  6 16:13:12 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:13:12 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <CADwmshJv0ymONte-cJDNR=G-dximXsvgK8Ouu24TfxZafozjEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
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Message-ID: <CAEux40s0Y9Q1ut4YAX30HpW=3gWhN2zMA-FpR_dzNqJ9s5jBsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tapani,

Seems its Avri, based on experience and so on.So I suggest we go for Avri
to initiate the process.

Thanks

Poncelet

On 6 June 2017 at 13:02, Joan Kerr via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
wrote:

> Hi Tapani, All
>
> I was going to suggest Avri, but that is already addressed.
> Joan
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Dear EC,
>>
>> Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
>> meeting after all.
>>
>> That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
>> for her.
>>
>> Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
>> appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
>> still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
>> Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-EC mailing list
>> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>
>


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From maryam.bakoshi at icann.org  Thu Jun 15 14:58:29 2017
From: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:58:29 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Dial in numbers closed NCSG ExCom session ICANN59
	Johannesburg
Message-ID: <5A2259F7-2655-414F-8C65-446D6CAEE5FF@icann.org>

Dear all,

All dial in details for GNSO open meetings at ICANN59 are listed on this wiki page:  https://community.icann.org/x/aSTwAw

Please find below the access information for the NCSG CLOSED meeting during ICANN59 in Johannesburg.


     *   Wednesday, 28 June 2017: NCSG Executive Committee Meeting

Room: Committee 4

9:00?10:15 local time

PC: NCSG EXCOM

AC Room: participate.icann.org/jnb59-committeeroom4-c<http://participate.icann.org/jnb59-committeeroom4-c>

Dial in numbers:

Country





Toll Numbers


Freephone/
Toll Free Number





ARGENTINA








0800-777-0519


AUSTRALIA


ADELAIDE:


61-8-8121-4842


1-800-657-260


AUSTRALIA


BRISBANE:


61-7-3102-0944


1-800-657-260


AUSTRALIA


CANBERRA:


61-2-6100-1944


1-800-657-260


AUSTRALIA


MELBOURNE:


61-3-9010-7713


1-800-657-260


AUSTRALIA


PERTH:


61-8-9467-5223


1-800-657-260


AUSTRALIA


SYDNEY:


61-2-8205-8129


1-800-657-260


AUSTRIA





43-1-92-81-113


0800-005-259


BELGIUM





32-2-400-9861


0800-3-8795


BRAZIL


RIO DE JANEIRO:


55-21-40421490


0800-7610651


BRAZIL


SAO PAULO:


55-11-3958-0779


0800-7610651


CHILE








1230-020-2863


CHINA


CHINA A:


86-400-810-4789


10800-712-1670


CHINA


CHINA B:


86-400-810-4789


10800-120-1670


COLOMBIA








01800-9-156474


CROATIA








080-08-06-309


CZECH REPUBLIC





420-2-25-98-56-64


800-700-177


DENMARK





45-7014-0284


8088-8324


EGYPT








0800000-9029


ESTONIA








800-011-1093


FINLAND





358-9-5424-7162


0-800-9-14610


FRANCE


LYON:


33-4-26-69-12-85


080-511-1496


FRANCE


MARSEILLE:


33-4-86-06-00-85


080-511-1496


FRANCE


PARIS:


33-1-70-70-60-72


080-511-1496


GERMANY





49-69-2222-20362


0800-664-4247


GREECE





30-80-1-100-0687


00800-12-7312


HONG KONG





852-3001-3863


800-962-856


HUNGARY





36-1-700-8856


06-800-12755


INDIA


INDIA A:





000-800-852-1268


INDIA


INDIA B:





000-800-001-6305


INDIA


INDIA C:





1800-300-00491


INDONESIA








001-803-011-3982


IRELAND





353-1-246-7646


1800-992-368


ISRAEL








1-80-9216162


ITALY


MILAN:


39-02-3600-6007


800-986-383


ITALY


ROME:


39-06-8751-6018


800-986-383


ITALY


TORINO:


39-011-510-0118


800-986-383


JAPAN


OSAKA:


81-6-7878-2631


0066-33-132439


JAPAN


TOKYO:


81-3-6868-2631


0066-33-132439


LATVIA








8000-3185


LUXEMBOURG





352-27-000-1364


8002-9246


MALAYSIA








1-800-81-3065


MEXICO


GUADALAJARA (JAL):


52-33-3208-7310


001-866-376-9696


MEXICO


MEXICO CITY:


52-55-5062-9110


001-866-376-9696


MEXICO


MONTERREY:


52-81-2482-0610


001-866-376-9696


NETHERLANDS





31-20-718-8588


0800-023-4378


NEW ZEALAND





64-9-970-4771


0800-447-722


NORWAY





47-21-590-062


800-15157


PANAMA








011-001-800-5072065


PERU








0800-53713


PHILIPPINES





63-2-858-3716


1800-111-42453


POLAND








00-800-1212572


PORTUGAL





351-2-10054705


8008-14052


ROMANIA





40-31-630-01-79


RUSSIA








8-10-8002-0144011


SAUDI ARABIA








800-8-110087


SINGAPORE





65-6883-9230


800-120-4663


SLOVAK REPUBLIC





421-2-322-422-25


0800-002066


SOUTH AFRICA








080-09-80414


SOUTH KOREA





82-2-6744-1083


00798-14800-7352


SPAIN





34-91-414-25-33


800-300-053


SWEDEN





46-8-566-19-348


0200-884-622


SWITZERLAND





41-44-580-6398


0800-120-032


TAIWAN





886-2-2795-7379


00801-137-797


THAILAND








001-800-1206-66056


TURKEY








00-800-151-0516


UNITED ARAB EMIRATES








8000-35702370


UNITED KINGDOM


BIRMINGHAM:


44-121-210-9025


0808-238-6029


UNITED KINGDOM


GLASGOW:


44-141-202-3225


0808-238-6029


UNITED KINGDOM


LEEDS:


44-113-301-2125


0808-238-6029


UNITED KINGDOM


LONDON:


44-20-7108-6370


0808-238-6029


UNITED KINGDOM


MANCHESTER:


44-161-601-1425


0808-238-6029


URUGUAY








000-413-598-3421


USA





1-517-345-9004


866-692-5726


VENEZUELA








0800-1-00-3702


VIETNAM








120-11751




Kind regards,

The GNSO SO/AC Team
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Jun 19 12:51:31 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:51:31 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>
References: <20170605135257.caihhacrfx7qqw4u@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <827AD914-9A64-4FB0-95D9-7E1B054EE279@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <20170619095131.GC21415@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

This has been left hanging, let's try to decide it quickly.

I see Joan and Poncelet supporting Avri and Monika accepting her
as well.

Robin,

Would you agree on appointing Avri so we'd have consensus?

Tapani

On Jun 05 19:55, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:

> Thanks for letting us know, Tapani.  How about sending Michael Karinocolas from Canada in place of Stefania?  Michael has been very active in the ICANN Accountability work, and coming from Canada, may not have a difficult time of obtaining the necessary visa to attend.  I haven?t spoken with him, so don?t know his plans in this time frame - this is just a quick impression.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Robin
> 
> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> > 
> > Dear EC,
> > 
> > Stefania Milan just notified me she can't make it to the Johannesburg
> > meeting after all.
> > 
> > That means we could and probably should appoint a temporary alternate
> > for her.
> > 
> > Suggestions for people or for process for selecting one would be
> > appreciated. Note that time is short, it is not even certain we could
> > still reassign the travel slot, and anybody who needs visa to South
> > Africa and doesn't already have one is pretty much out of luck.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tapani Tarvainen
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinf

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From robin at ipjustice.org  Mon Jun 19 18:14:45 2017
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:14:45 -0700
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
Message-ID: <B59E8764-9048-410F-8275-540C3CBE5004@ipjustice.org>

Hi there.  Yes I also support Avri to replace Stefania for Jo'burg.  I didn't receive the email yet from the EC list, but I see it on the web archive <https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-ec/2017-June/000122.html>, so thought I'd weigh in asap anyway.  Thanks.  Robin
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Jun 20 07:56:11 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 07:56:11 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Temporary alternate to Johannesburg
In-Reply-To: <B59E8764-9048-410F-8275-540C3CBE5004@ipjustice.org>
References: <B59E8764-9048-410F-8275-540C3CBE5004@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <20170620045611.3ldqpkhryjomd2c6@tarvainen.info>

Thank you Robin. With that we have consensus.

I'll let Avri (and other volunteers and the council) know.

I hope there's no big problem with the mailing list but just a temporary
delay; if you keep getting list mails late (or not at all), let me know
and I'll investigate.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 08:14:45AM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) wrote:
> 
> Hi there.  Yes I also support Avri to replace Stefania for Jo'burg.  I didn't receive the email yet from the EC list, but I see it on the web archive <https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-ec/2017-June/000122.html>, so thought I'd weigh in asap anyway.  Thanks.  Robin


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Jun 27 11:05:55 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:05:55 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] committee methods and procedures
In-Reply-To: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org>
References: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>

Picking up an old thread,

Robin is absolutely right here and I must apologize for not acting
on this sooner.

I'm going to put is on the agenda of our meeting tomorrow and absent
any objections then without further delay send request to PC and FC
chairs as per Robin's suggestion.

Robin, if you can't attend remotely tomorrow I'm going to assume you
support your own proposal. But do let us know if you have something to
add.

Poncelet, if you can't attend it'd be appreciated if you expressed
your position here as soon as possible. Thank you.

Tapani

On Apr 28 11:22, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> While working on the membership procedures in recent weeks and spending time with our charter, I noticed that there are a couple items in our task list (?our" meaning the NCSG-EC) that we haven?t yet undertaken and should.
> 
> Section 2.4 of the charter, which lists principal EC duties, includes ?After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-PC and NCSG-FC methods and procedures.?  
> 
> I?d like to propose that we ask these two critical NCSG committees to draft and submit methods and procedures for their operations that can be reviewed and approved by the NCSG members and the EC, as stated in our charter.  
> 
> We should be operating holistically with shared goals and priorities that are carried out throughout the NCSG committees.  And having documented procedures for how committees are to function will help them to run more smoothly and with less confusion about who is responsible for doing what and we will be able to get much more accomplished.
> 
> What do others think?  Shall we undertake our responsibility under the charter to get these committee procedures documented and in place?
> 
> Thanks,
> Robin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec


From pileleji at ymca.gm  Tue Jun 27 11:50:14 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:50:14 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] committee methods and procedures
In-Reply-To: <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org>
 <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAEux40sMeOttSNOyuC0rzrQ=pg79y7P11vbO1XHqAwAETHxTKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tapani,

Will try to attend tomorrow, please whats the time UTC.

Kind Regards

Poncelet

On 27 June 2017 at 08:05, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Picking up an old thread,
>
> Robin is absolutely right here and I must apologize for not acting
> on this sooner.
>
> I'm going to put is on the agenda of our meeting tomorrow and absent
> any objections then without further delay send request to PC and FC
> chairs as per Robin's suggestion.
>
> Robin, if you can't attend remotely tomorrow I'm going to assume you
> support your own proposal. But do let us know if you have something to
> add.
>
> Poncelet, if you can't attend it'd be appreciated if you expressed
> your position here as soon as possible. Thank you.
>
> Tapani
>
> On Apr 28 11:22, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > While working on the membership procedures in recent weeks and spending
> time with our charter, I noticed that there are a couple items in our task
> list (?our" meaning the NCSG-EC) that we haven?t yet undertaken and should.
> >
> > Section 2.4 of the charter, which lists principal EC duties, includes
> ?After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-PC and NCSG-FC
> methods and procedures.?
> >
> > I?d like to propose that we ask these two critical NCSG committees to
> draft and submit methods and procedures for their operations that can be
> reviewed and approved by the NCSG members and the EC, as stated in our
> charter.
> >
> > We should be operating holistically with shared goals and priorities
> that are carried out throughout the NCSG committees.  And having documented
> procedures for how committees are to function will help them to run more
> smoothly and with less confusion about who is responsible for doing what
> and we will be able to get much more accomplished.
> >
> > What do others think?  Shall we undertake our responsibility under the
> charter to get these committee procedures documented and in place?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Robin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>



-- 
Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
Coordinator
The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
MDI Road Kanifing South
P. O. Box 421 Banjul
The Gambia, West Africa
Tel: (220) 4370240
Fax:(220) 4390793
Cell:(220) 9912508
Skype: pons_utd






*www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
<http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
<http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.org
<http://www.npoc.org>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
<http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Jun 27 11:57:26 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:57:26 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] committee methods and procedures
In-Reply-To: <CAEux40sMeOttSNOyuC0rzrQ=pg79y7P11vbO1XHqAwAETHxTKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org>
 <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <CAEux40sMeOttSNOyuC0rzrQ=pg79y7P11vbO1XHqAwAETHxTKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170627085725.kabzsaxwpscir3rm@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear Poncelet,

It's 0700 UTC unless I'm mistaken (9:00 local time and South Africa is UTC+2).

Maryam, please correct if I got it wrong.

Tapani

On Jun 27 08:50, Poncelet Ileleji (pileleji at ymca.gm) wrote:
> 
> Hello Tapani,
> 
> Will try to attend tomorrow, please whats the time UTC.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Poncelet
> 
> On 27 June 2017 at 08:05, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> 
> > Picking up an old thread,
> >
> > Robin is absolutely right here and I must apologize for not acting
> > on this sooner.
> >
> > I'm going to put is on the agenda of our meeting tomorrow and absent
> > any objections then without further delay send request to PC and FC
> > chairs as per Robin's suggestion.
> >
> > Robin, if you can't attend remotely tomorrow I'm going to assume you
> > support your own proposal. But do let us know if you have something to
> > add.
> >
> > Poncelet, if you can't attend it'd be appreciated if you expressed
> > your position here as soon as possible. Thank you.
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> > On Apr 28 11:22, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear colleagues,
> > >
> > > While working on the membership procedures in recent weeks and spending
> > time with our charter, I noticed that there are a couple items in our task
> > list (?our" meaning the NCSG-EC) that we haven?t yet undertaken and should.
> > >
> > > Section 2.4 of the charter, which lists principal EC duties, includes
> > ?After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-PC and NCSG-FC
> > methods and procedures.?
> > >
> > > I?d like to propose that we ask these two critical NCSG committees to
> > draft and submit methods and procedures for their operations that can be
> > reviewed and approved by the NCSG members and the EC, as stated in our
> > charter.
> > >
> > > We should be operating holistically with shared goals and priorities
> > that are carried out throughout the NCSG committees.  And having documented
> > procedures for how committees are to function will help them to run more
> > smoothly and with less confusion about who is responsible for doing what
> > and we will be able to get much more accomplished.
> > >
> > > What do others think?  Shall we undertake our responsibility under the
> > charter to get these committee procedures documented and in place?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Robin
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
> Coordinator
> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
> MDI Road Kanifing South
> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
> The Gambia, West Africa
> Tel: (220) 4370240
> Fax:(220) 4390793
> Cell:(220) 9912508
> Skype: pons_utd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
> <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
> <http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.org
> <http://www.npoc.org>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
> <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From pileleji at ymca.gm  Tue Jun 27 11:58:39 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:58:39 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] committee methods and procedures
In-Reply-To: <20170627085725.kabzsaxwpscir3rm@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org>
 <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <CAEux40sMeOttSNOyuC0rzrQ=pg79y7P11vbO1XHqAwAETHxTKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170627085725.kabzsaxwpscir3rm@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAEux40s+aje1BJ3c7usrc0yTu=1EU=eULEjbA_CnooGKXBhA5g@mail.gmail.com>

got you

On 27 June 2017 at 08:57, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Dear Poncelet,
>
> It's 0700 UTC unless I'm mistaken (9:00 local time and South Africa is
> UTC+2).
>
> Maryam, please correct if I got it wrong.
>
> Tapani
>
> On Jun 27 08:50, Poncelet Ileleji (pileleji at ymca.gm) wrote:
> >
> > Hello Tapani,
> >
> > Will try to attend tomorrow, please whats the time UTC.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Poncelet
> >
> > On 27 June 2017 at 08:05, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
> > ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
> >
> > > Picking up an old thread,
> > >
> > > Robin is absolutely right here and I must apologize for not acting
> > > on this sooner.
> > >
> > > I'm going to put is on the agenda of our meeting tomorrow and absent
> > > any objections then without further delay send request to PC and FC
> > > chairs as per Robin's suggestion.
> > >
> > > Robin, if you can't attend remotely tomorrow I'm going to assume you
> > > support your own proposal. But do let us know if you have something to
> > > add.
> > >
> > > Poncelet, if you can't attend it'd be appreciated if you expressed
> > > your position here as soon as possible. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Tapani
> > >
> > > On Apr 28 11:22, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is)
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear colleagues,
> > > >
> > > > While working on the membership procedures in recent weeks and
> spending
> > > time with our charter, I noticed that there are a couple items in our
> task
> > > list (?our" meaning the NCSG-EC) that we haven?t yet undertaken and
> should.
> > > >
> > > > Section 2.4 of the charter, which lists principal EC duties, includes
> > > ?After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-PC and
> NCSG-FC
> > > methods and procedures.?
> > > >
> > > > I?d like to propose that we ask these two critical NCSG committees to
> > > draft and submit methods and procedures for their operations that can
> be
> > > reviewed and approved by the NCSG members and the EC, as stated in our
> > > charter.
> > > >
> > > > We should be operating holistically with shared goals and priorities
> > > that are carried out throughout the NCSG committees.  And having
> documented
> > > procedures for how committees are to function will help them to run
> more
> > > smoothly and with less confusion about who is responsible for doing
> what
> > > and we will be able to get much more accomplished.
> > > >
> > > > What do others think?  Shall we undertake our responsibility under
> the
> > > charter to get these committee procedures documented and in place?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Robin
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > > > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > > > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
> > Coordinator
> > The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
> > MDI Road Kanifing South
> > P. O. Box 421 Banjul
> > The Gambia, West Africa
> > Tel: (220) 4370240
> > Fax:(220) 4390793
> > Cell:(220) 9912508
> > Skype: pons_utd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
> > <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
> > <http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.
> org
> > <http://www.npoc.org>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
> > <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>



-- 
Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
Coordinator
The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
MDI Road Kanifing South
P. O. Box 421 Banjul
The Gambia, West Africa
Tel: (220) 4370240
Fax:(220) 4390793
Cell:(220) 9912508
Skype: pons_utd






*www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
<http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
<http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.org
<http://www.npoc.org>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
<http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 12:36:51 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:36:51 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-EC] committee methods and procedures
In-Reply-To: <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org>
 <20170627080554.sxjfr56rzzbvd2l4@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmLTDSDzQHNcVRqBC4rG9cCn+U5w_q8OZLnvSKyag0RjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tapani,

I already suggested to PC about working on procedures and methods and
volunteered to do the first draft
https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-May/000547.html

Best,

Rafik

2017-06-27 17:05 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>:

> Picking up an old thread,
>
> Robin is absolutely right here and I must apologize for not acting
> on this sooner.
>
> I'm going to put is on the agenda of our meeting tomorrow and absent
> any objections then without further delay send request to PC and FC
> chairs as per Robin's suggestion.
>
> Robin, if you can't attend remotely tomorrow I'm going to assume you
> support your own proposal. But do let us know if you have something to
> add.
>
> Poncelet, if you can't attend it'd be appreciated if you expressed
> your position here as soon as possible. Thank you.
>
> Tapani
>
> On Apr 28 11:22, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote:
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > While working on the membership procedures in recent weeks and spending
> time with our charter, I noticed that there are a couple items in our task
> list (?our" meaning the NCSG-EC) that we haven?t yet undertaken and should.
> >
> > Section 2.4 of the charter, which lists principal EC duties, includes
> ?After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-PC and NCSG-FC
> methods and procedures.?
> >
> > I?d like to propose that we ask these two critical NCSG committees to
> draft and submit methods and procedures for their operations that can be
> reviewed and approved by the NCSG members and the EC, as stated in our
> charter.
> >
> > We should be operating holistically with shared goals and priorities
> that are carried out throughout the NCSG committees.  And having documented
> procedures for how committees are to function will help them to run more
> smoothly and with less confusion about who is responsible for doing what
> and we will be able to get much more accomplished.
> >
> > What do others think?  Shall we undertake our responsibility under the
> charter to get these committee procedures documented and in place?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Robin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-EC mailing list
> > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Tue Jun 27 14:45:41 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:45:41 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: NCUC response to NCSG questionnaire
Message-ID: <20170627114540.di3dbm6rymzxgqrg@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear EC,

Please find attached NCUC's response to our review questionnaire.

Apologies for failing to notice earlier it had not gone through
to the list.

For reference, NPOC's response is here:

https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-ec/2017-May/000109.html

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From robin at ipjustice.org  Wed Jun 28 02:29:12 2017
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:29:12 -0700
Subject: [NCSG-EC] EC meeting in JoBurg
Message-ID: <5AF31437-79AA-4E94-B257-3C841159DC90@ipjustice.org>

Colleagues,

I?ve been following most of the discussions in Jo?burg this week remotely and wishing I could be there with you all.

However, given the extremely late hour of the EC meeting tomorrow (for me in SF), it is not likely I?ll be up, and online and able to participate in this discussion at that time. I?ll review the recording asap afterward however.  Thank you.

Apologies,
Robin

From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Jun 28 17:18:12 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:18:12 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Election timeline
Message-ID: <20170628141812.bot5ctwfgugeqshk@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear all,

We discussed election timeline briefly in our meeting today.

Looking at calendar now, here's a bit more detailed version:

July 17  voter check-in begins
July 31  nomination period begins
Aug  13  nomination period ends
Aug  17  voter check-in ends
Aug  18  deadline for nomination acceptance
Aug  19  deadline for candidate statements
Aug  21  voting begins
Sep   3  voting ends
Sep   4  results announced

This is just first draft, I don't know when we must have results - I'm
probably being overcautious here assuming first week of September.

There're also some other aspects that might merit discussion, like how
long time we want between end of nomination period and voting.

Comments welcome.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From pileleji at ymca.gm  Wed Jun 28 17:49:33 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:49:33 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Election timeline
In-Reply-To: <20170628141812.bot5ctwfgugeqshk@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170628141812.bot5ctwfgugeqshk@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAEux40s98gLyRPU8HFRvsVEecqcQRX74Oxcd08H2r=9nrE9nRw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Tapani,

Based on what you submitted, I have no objections on your calendar outline.
Sorry for missing meeting it was very very early morning for me

Thanks

Poncelet

On 28 June 2017 at 14:18, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We discussed election timeline briefly in our meeting today.
>
> Looking at calendar now, here's a bit more detailed version:
>
> July 17  voter check-in begins
> July 31  nomination period begins
> Aug  13  nomination period ends
> Aug  17  voter check-in ends
> Aug  18  deadline for nomination acceptance
> Aug  19  deadline for candidate statements
> Aug  21  voting begins
> Sep   3  voting ends
> Sep   4  results announced
>
> This is just first draft, I don't know when we must have results - I'm
> probably being overcautious here assuming first week of September.
>
> There're also some other aspects that might merit discussion, like how
> long time we want between end of nomination period and voting.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
>



-- 
Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
Coordinator
The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
MDI Road Kanifing South
P. O. Box 421 Banjul
The Gambia, West Africa
Tel: (220) 4370240
Fax:(220) 4390793
Cell:(220) 9912508
Skype: pons_utd






*www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm>http://jokkolabs.net/en/
<http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org
<http://www.waigf.org>www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm>www.npoc.org
<http://www.npoc.org>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
<http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Thu Jun 29 23:10:42 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:42 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: URGENT: ICANN60 Abu Dhabi - Supported
 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due // 21 July
Message-ID: <20170629201041.yk7gzztre4gssic6@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear EC,

as per the message below, ICANN wants to know our Abu Dhabi
Travelers by 21 July.

Please consult your constituencies as need may be and let
me know who will be using your travel slots.

Thank you,

Tapani

----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----


Dear All,

 

In order to service your travel needs for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi in a timely
fashion, please submit your ICANN60 Meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.org
<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>  by Friday, 21 July 2017. 

A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the OFAC
review.

Please note that if you are a GNSO supported traveler with a designated
hotel accommodation funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you,
please DO NOT book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.  

Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of fairness
and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take the following
into consideration:

 

1.         Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming travel to
Johannesburg.

2.         If possible please book direct travel requests. Detours and
multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.

3.         Strictly limit your travel from your home to the ICANN meeting
venue. 

4.         Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting is 27 October
- 4 November.

            If travelers want to extend their stay this must be done at
their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN hotel
confirmation has be sent to them.

5.        If you require a visa to enter the country, please make sure to
acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN travel team to let
them know you will need a visa. 

  

Many thanks for your cooperation!

 

With kind regards,

Terri 

            ---

Terri Agnew

Secretariat Services Coordinator, GNSO 

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

----- End forwarded message -----