From robin Mon Apr 24 23:00:13 2017 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:00:13 -0700 Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures Message-ID: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org> Hi all, If you haven?t already been following, please see the latest version on the operating procedures for membership review: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JcHBNGsD1tYDdkzGbAxt7T6CbRFj-_SzTdK_oN7Q2jI/edit?usp=sharing A couple additional issues have come up with the draft since we last spoke that I?d appreciate some feedback on. 1. How to handle people with dual membership as both an organization and also as an individual in NCSG? Several have expressed discomfort with this practice and the incentive it creates to game the system by giving some people considerably more voting rights by claiming dual memberships. One solution that has been proposed is allow those people to have membership in both categories, but only allow the person to vote in one of the membership categories (as an org or as an individual). This seems like a reasonable solution to me. What do others think? 2. How to handle vacation / traveling time in the EC procedures for membership review? We need some flexibility because we don?t want deadlines happening when people are on vacation, but we also can?t have unlimited postponements due to someone claiming travel. Any ideas for how to handle deadlines and legitimate travel / vacation need for flexibility? Any other thoughts, comments, or recommendations on the draft are most welcome. Other than the above two issues, I?d say we are ready for membership feedback on the procedures. Thanks, Robin From ncsg Mon Apr 24 23:22:47 2017 From: ncsg (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:22:47 +0300 Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures In-Reply-To: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org> References: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org> Message-ID: <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 01:00:13PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) wrote: > If you haven?t already been following, please see the latest version on the operating procedures for membership review: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JcHBNGsD1tYDdkzGbAxt7T6CbRFj-_SzTdK_oN7Q2jI/edit?usp=sharing > A couple additional issues have come up with the draft since we last > spoke that I?d appreciate some feedback on. > 1. How to handle people with dual membership as both an organization > and also as an individual in NCSG? Several have expressed discomfort > with this practice and the incentive it creates to game the system > by giving some people considerably more voting rights by claiming > dual memberships. One solution that has been proposed is allow those > people to have membership in both categories, but only allow the > person to vote in one of the membership categories (as an org or as > an individual). This seems like a reasonable solution to me. What do > others think? I don't think we need to do anything about it in member removal procedures, unless you want to propose removing such members. Instead I'd suggest leaving this issue to the election procedures discussion. Indeed it is included in the list of topics I sent to the election-reform list earlier (last item under (3)): https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-March/000001.html If some of you aren't on the election-reform list yet, I'd suggest subscribing: https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/election-reform I'll try to move forward with that soon, most issues should be resolved before next election, in effect before Johannesburg. > 2. How to handle vacation / traveling time in the EC procedures for > membership review? We need some flexibility because we don?t want > deadlines happening when people are on vacation, but we also can?t > have unlimited postponements due to someone claiming travel. Any > ideas for how to handle deadlines and legitimate travel / vacation > need for flexibility? Provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation. Details need some thought though. > Any other thoughts, comments, or recommendations on the draft are > most welcome. Other than the above two issues, I?d say we are ready > for membership feedback on the procedures. I'll try to find time to read it through again thoroughly tomorrow, but I don't recall any pressing issues either. -- Tapani Tarvainen From Monika.Zalnieriute Tue Apr 25 03:40:51 2017 From: Monika.Zalnieriute (Zalnieriute, Monika) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 00:40:51 +0000 Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures In-Reply-To: <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> References: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org>, <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Dear Robin, This is great work! I agree with Tapani that we can address the double voting in the election reform! The document looks great to me, I dont see any pressing issues either! I also think that the provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation would be good options - we perhaps can discuss the details of the proposed time periods on the call? Shall we all make proposals? Best wishes, Monika Kind regards, Dr. Monika Zalnieriute Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I Representative @ Executive Committee I Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I ________________________________ From: EC-NCSG on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 PM To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 01:00:13PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) wrote: > If you haven?t already been following, please see the latest version on the operating procedures for membership review: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JcHBNGsD1tYDdkzGbAxt7T6CbRFj-_SzTdK_oN7Q2jI/edit?usp=sharing > A couple additional issues have come up with the draft since we last > spoke that I?d appreciate some feedback on. > 1. How to handle people with dual membership as both an organization > and also as an individual in NCSG? Several have expressed discomfort > with this practice and the incentive it creates to game the system > by giving some people considerably more voting rights by claiming > dual memberships. One solution that has been proposed is allow those > people to have membership in both categories, but only allow the > person to vote in one of the membership categories (as an org or as > an individual). This seems like a reasonable solution to me. What do > others think? I don't think we need to do anything about it in member removal procedures, unless you want to propose removing such members. Instead I'd suggest leaving this issue to the election procedures discussion. Indeed it is included in the list of topics I sent to the election-reform list earlier (last item under (3)): https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-March/000001.html If some of you aren't on the election-reform list yet, I'd suggest subscribing: https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/election-reform I'll try to move forward with that soon, most issues should be resolved before next election, in effect before Johannesburg. > 2. How to handle vacation / traveling time in the EC procedures for > membership review? We need some flexibility because we don?t want > deadlines happening when people are on vacation, but we also can?t > have unlimited postponements due to someone claiming travel. Any > ideas for how to handle deadlines and legitimate travel / vacation > need for flexibility? Provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation. Details need some thought though. > Any other thoughts, comments, or recommendations on the draft are > most welcome. Other than the above two issues, I?d say we are ready > for membership feedback on the procedures. I'll try to find time to read it through again thoroughly tomorrow, but I don't recall any pressing issues either. -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ EC-NCSG mailing list EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joankerr Tue Apr 25 03:46:12 2017 From: joankerr (Joan Kerr) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:46:12 -0400 Subject: [EC-NCSG] [NCSG-EC] membership review procedures In-Reply-To: References: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org> <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Hi Robin, Thanks for your email. I am in agreement with Tapani as well. I don't have any issues that I can foresee right now. Thanks for all the work. Joan On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Zalnieriute, Monika via NCSG-EC < ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote: > Dear Robin, > > > This is great work! > > > I agree with Tapani that we can address the double voting in the election > reform! The document looks great to me, I dont see any pressing issues > either! > > > I also think that the provision for registering one's view in advance and > long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on > vacation would be good options - we perhaps can discuss the details of the > proposed time periods on the call? Shall we all make proposals? > > > Best wishes, > > > Monika > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute > > > > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | > > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I > > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I > > > > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I > > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I > > > > Representative @ Executive Committee I > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* EC-NCSG on behalf of Tapani > Tarvainen > *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 PM > *To:* ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org > *Subject:* Re: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 01:00:13PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) > wrote: > > > If you haven?t already been following, please see the latest version on > the operating procedures for membership review: > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JcHBNGsD1tYDdkzGbAxt7T6CbRFj- > _SzTdK_oN7Q2jI/edit?usp=sharing > > > A couple additional issues have come up with the draft since we last > > spoke that I?d appreciate some feedback on. > > > 1. How to handle people with dual membership as both an organization > > and also as an individual in NCSG? Several have expressed discomfort > > with this practice and the incentive it creates to game the system > > by giving some people considerably more voting rights by claiming > > dual memberships. One solution that has been proposed is allow those > > people to have membership in both categories, but only allow the > > person to vote in one of the membership categories (as an org or as > > an individual). This seems like a reasonable solution to me. What do > > others think? > > I don't think we need to do anything about it in member removal > procedures, unless you want to propose removing such members. > > Instead I'd suggest leaving this issue to the election procedures > discussion. Indeed it is included in the list of topics I sent > to the election-reform list earlier (last item under (3)): > https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-March/000001.html > > If some of you aren't on the election-reform list yet, I'd suggest > subscribing: https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/election-reform > > I'll try to move forward with that soon, most issues should > be resolved before next election, in effect before Johannesburg. > > > 2. How to handle vacation / traveling time in the EC procedures for > > membership review? We need some flexibility because we don?t want > > deadlines happening when people are on vacation, but we also can?t > > have unlimited postponements due to someone claiming travel. Any > > ideas for how to handle deadlines and legitimate travel / vacation > > need for flexibility? > > Provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough > deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation. > > Details need some thought though. > > > Any other thoughts, comments, or recommendations on the draft are > > most welcome. Other than the above two issues, I?d say we are ready > > for membership feedback on the procedures. > > I'll try to find time to read it through again thoroughly tomorrow, > but I don't recall any pressing issues either. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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On the agenda we have membership applications (please test you can access the new member database to see them) and member removal procedures. In addition I have two non-NCSG members who'd like to subscribe NCSG-DISCUSS: Amr Elsadr and Julf Helsingius (the NCPH NCA). I see no problem with either but would welcome your opinions. Then, for the record, we've two members who've notified me of their resignation from the NCSG: Albino B Neto Center for Democracy and Technology (We haven't consistently noted members leaving, but I think it's good to have them somewhere on the record.) -- Tapani Tarvainen From Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu Thu Apr 6 07:46:50 2017 From: Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu (Zalnieriute, Monika) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 04:46:50 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-EC] Problem with Reply ALL In-Reply-To: References: <20170406044004.u45rvxdi4y4uhgv3@tarvainen.info>, Message-ID: Dear EC and Tapani, I have 'Replied to All' to Tapani's previous e-mail (see below), and strangely when I do that, I only get to reply to Tapani. This is not the first time - and I have checked manually now again to see that it happens, and I would like to know how this list is designed in this way that 'Replying to All' only send email to Tapani? Best wishes, Monika Kind regards, Dr. Monika Zalnieriute Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I Representative @ Executive Committee I Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I ________________________________ From: Zalnieriute, Monika Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:43 AM To: Tapani Tarvainen Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Resignations, list access Dear Tapani, Thank You for Your letter. So non NCSG members, and ICANN staff in particular are ok to participate on our mailing lists? Just trying to understand the logic behind it. Could You please share login details and link to our new database - I will then save all of those and will never ask again:) Best wishes, Monika Kind regards, Dr. Monika Zalnieriute Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I Representative @ Executive Committee I Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I ________________________________ From: NCSG-EC on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:40 AM To: NCSG EC Subject: [NCSG-EC] Resignations, list access Dear EC, We have our call tomorrow as you know. On the agenda we have membership applications (please test you can access the new member database to see them) and member removal procedures. In addition I have two non-NCSG members who'd like to subscribe NCSG-DISCUSS: Amr Elsadr and Julf Helsingius (the NCPH NCA). I see no problem with either but would welcome your opinions. Then, for the record, we've two members who've notified me of their resignation from the NCSG: Albino B Neto Center for Democracy and Technology (We haven't consistently noted members leaving, but I think it's good to have them somewhere on the record.) -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ NCSG-EC mailing list NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Thu Apr 6 07:55:26 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 07:55:26 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-EC] Problem with Reply ALL In-Reply-To: <20170406044944.jt5fvtglqjaz66w6@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: <20170406045526.draz4uiabxm26wu5@tarvainen.info> Dear Monika, I have no such problems with the list, it must be something specific to your email client. Anyway, as I also replied only to you, here's the same reply for all (edited last line about login name): On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 04:43:28AM +0000, Zalnieriute, Monika (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote: > So non NCSG members, and ICANN staff in particular are ok to > participate on our mailing lists? Not in general, it's something to be decided case-by-case. >From ICANN staff we now have Maryam Bakoshi there, as she's our secretary, and Amr for historical reasons - the issue is whether we should kick him out or not. As for the NCA, his official role is to act as a go-between with NCSG and CSG so having him there makes sense. (Incidentally, he's on NCUC-DISCUSS as well.) We could also have them without posting privileges, i.e., read-only. > Just trying to understand the logic behind it. Did the above help? > Could You please share login details and link to our new database - > I will then save all of those and will never ask again:) https://members.ncsg.is/user Start by clicking "Request new password". Your login name is your first name in lower case. -- Tapani Tarvainen On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 04:46:50AM +0000, Zalnieriute, Monika via NCSG-EC (ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is) wrote: > Dear EC and Tapani, > > > I have 'Replied to All' to Tapani's previous e-mail (see below), and strangely when I do that, I only get to reply to Tapani. This is not the first time - and I have checked manually now again to see that it happens, and I would like to know how this list is designed in this way that 'Replying to All' only send email to Tapani? > > > Best wishes, > > > Monika > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute > > > > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | > > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I > > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I > > > > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I > > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I > > > > Representative @ Executive Committee I > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Zalnieriute, Monika > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:43 AM > To: Tapani Tarvainen > Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] Resignations, list access > > > Dear Tapani, > > > Thank You for Your letter. > > So non NCSG members, and ICANN staff in particular are ok to participate on our mailing lists? Just trying to understand the logic behind it. > > Could You please share login details and link to our new database - I will then save all of those and will never ask again:) > > > Best wishes, > > > Monika > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute > > > > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | > > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I > > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I > > > > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I > > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I > > > > Representative @ Executive Committee I > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: NCSG-EC on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:40 AM > To: NCSG EC > Subject: [NCSG-EC] Resignations, list access > > Dear EC, > > We have our call tomorrow as you know. On the agenda we have > membership applications (please test you can access the > new member database to see them) and member removal procedures. > > In addition I have two non-NCSG members who'd like to subscribe > NCSG-DISCUSS: Amr Elsadr and Julf Helsingius (the NCPH NCA). > I see no problem with either but would welcome your opinions. > > Then, for the record, we've two members who've notified me of their > resignation from the NCSG: > > Albino B Neto > > Center for Democracy and Technology > > (We haven't consistently noted members leaving, but I think > it's good to have them somewhere on the record.) > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-EC mailing list > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-EC mailing list > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info Thu Apr 6 08:13:06 2017 From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:13:06 +0300 Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: fw: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note Message-ID: <20170406051306.yv664jsgvfv6gm7b@tarvainen.info> Dear EC, FYI below. Facts are pretty clear: as of the beginning of this month Matthew has not been NCSG member nor representative of one. What we should do about it is another matter. Opinions welcome. Note, he has applied for individual membership. ----- Forwarded message ----- Dear Tapani, Although I wish to remain anonymous, I did wish to forward you the email response below. It appears that Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT. I have checked the membership roster of the NCUC. Mr. Shears is not listed as an individual member. I'm confused as to how Mr. Shears continues to function in the leadership role, or any role, in the NCSG if he is not a representative of CDT or in any other way a member of the SG. If you accept anonymous information as to the validity of membership please accept this as such and investigate. Perhaps there is a simple explanation. Thank you, ---------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Shears" Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:11 AM Subject: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note If you wish to reach Matthew please contact him at: matthew at intpolicy.com Please change the e-mail address in your contact details accordingly. Thanks. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Tapani Tarvainen From Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu Fri Apr 7 03:54:23 2017 From: Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu (Zalnieriute, Monika) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 00:54:23 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: fw: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note In-Reply-To: <20170406051306.yv664jsgvfv6gm7b@tarvainen.info> References: <20170406051306.yv664jsgvfv6gm7b@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Hi Tapani and EC, Is that not what happens to people - if they change jobs, and then they re-apply as individuals, like it happened to K. Komaitis, etc? If Matthew Shears applied, then whats the problem - like a little window of technically not being a member? If we see this window as a serious problem, we can change the rules to make sure that all new members apply in their individual capacity, and then we have no windows. If nonetheless, what we want is to have an ability to punish people for such windows, then we go ahead, haha:) My intuitive opinion thats its just whats happens when we have these dual organizational/individual applications, and I cannot see any bad faith attempt on behalf of Matthew Shears in this case. Best wishes, Monika Kind regards, Dr. Monika Zalnieriute Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I Representative @ Executive Committee I Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I ________________________________ From: NCSG-EC on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:13 AM To: NCSG EC Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: fw: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note Dear EC, FYI below. Facts are pretty clear: as of the beginning of this month Matthew has not been NCSG member nor representative of one. What we should do about it is another matter. Opinions welcome. Note, he has applied for individual membership. ----- Forwarded message ----- Dear Tapani, Although I wish to remain anonymous, I did wish to forward you the email response below. It appears that Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT. I have checked the membership roster of the NCUC. Mr. Shears is not listed as an individual member. I'm confused as to how Mr. Shears continues to function in the leadership role, or any role, in the NCSG if he is not a representative of CDT or in any other way a member of the SG. If you accept anonymous information as to the validity of membership please accept this as such and investigate. Perhaps there is a simple explanation. Thank you, ---------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Shears" Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:11 AM Subject: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note If you wish to reach Matthew please contact him at: matthew at intpolicy.com Please change the e-mail address in your contact details accordingly. 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We could discuss these situations in general at some point, there're some potential pitfalls there, but the acute situation is over. Tapani On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 12:54:23AM +0000, Zalnieriute, Monika (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote: > Hi Tapani and EC, > > > Is that not what happens to people - if they change jobs, and then they re-apply as individuals, like it happened to K. Komaitis, etc? If Matthew Shears applied, then whats the problem - like a little window of technically not being a member? If we see this window as a serious problem, we can change the rules to make sure that all new members apply in their individual capacity, and then we have no windows. If nonetheless, what we want is to have an ability to punish people for such windows, then we go ahead, haha:) My intuitive opinion thats its just whats happens when we have these dual organizational/individual applications, and I cannot see any bad faith attempt on behalf of Matthew Shears in this case. > > > Best wishes, > > > Monika > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute > > > > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | > > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I > > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I > > > > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I > > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I > > > > Representative @ Executive Committee I > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: NCSG-EC on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:13 AM > To: NCSG EC > Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: fw: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note > > Dear EC, > > FYI below. > > Facts are pretty clear: as of the beginning of this month Matthew has > not been NCSG member nor representative of one. > > What we should do about it is another matter. Opinions welcome. > > Note, he has applied for individual membership. > > ----- Forwarded message ----- > > Dear Tapani, > > Although I wish to remain anonymous, I did wish to forward you the email > response below. > > It appears that Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT. > > I have checked the membership roster of the NCUC. Mr. Shears is not listed > as an individual member. > > I'm confused as to how Mr. Shears continues to function in the leadership > role, or any role, in the NCSG if he is not a representative of CDT or in > any other way a member of the SG. > > If you accept anonymous information as to the validity of membership > please accept this as such and investigate. Perhaps there is a simple > explanation. > > Thank you, > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Matthew Shears" > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:11 AM > Subject: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note > If you wish to reach Matthew please contact him at: matthew at intpolicy.com > Please change the e-mail address in your contact details accordingly. > Thanks. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen From pileleji at ymca.gm Fri Apr 7 22:13:30 2017 From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:13:30 +0100 Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: fw: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note In-Reply-To: <20170407155727.srzyu2oj5lxtz5a3@tarvainen.info> References: <20170406051306.yv664jsgvfv6gm7b@tarvainen.info> <20170407155727.srzyu2oj5lxtz5a3@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: We didn't discuss it, but in my opinion what happened was the height of pettiness over a simple technicality. Personally am still shocked. Poncelet On 7 April 2017 at 16:57, Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC < ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote: > Hi All, > > Just a note, we didn't discuss this during the call, I forgot to bring it > up but > all I was going to say that we don't need to do anything about it. > > The only difference from Konstantinos' and other similar cases was that > Matthew > was NCUC's representative in the Policy Committee as well as its Vice > Chair, > but he resigned from those positions to even that issue became moot. > > We could discuss these situations in general at some point, there're some > potential pitfalls there, but the acute situation is over. > > Tapani > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 12:54:23AM +0000, Zalnieriute, Monika > (Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu) wrote: > > > Hi Tapani and EC, > > > > > > Is that not what happens to people - if they change jobs, and then they > re-apply as individuals, like it happened to K. Komaitis, etc? If Matthew > Shears applied, then whats the problem - like a little window of > technically not being a member? If we see this window as a serious problem, > we can change the rules to make sure that all new members apply in their > individual capacity, and then we have no windows. If nonetheless, what we > want is to have an ability to punish people for such windows, then we go > ahead, haha:) My intuitive opinion thats its just whats happens when we > have these dual organizational/individual applications, and I cannot see > any bad faith attempt on behalf of Matthew Shears in this case. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Monika > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute > > > > > > > > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | > > > > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I > > > > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I > > > > > > > > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I > > > > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I > > > > > > > > Representative @ Executive Committee I > > > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: NCSG-EC on behalf of Tapani > Tarvainen via NCSG-EC > > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:13 AM > > To: NCSG EC > > Subject: [NCSG-EC] Fwd: fw: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC > Note > > > > Dear EC, > > > > FYI below. > > > > Facts are pretty clear: as of the beginning of this month Matthew has > > not been NCSG member nor representative of one. > > > > What we should do about it is another matter. Opinions welcome. > > > > Note, he has applied for individual membership. > > > > ----- Forwarded message ----- > > > > Dear Tapani, > > > > Although I wish to remain anonymous, I did wish to forward you the email > > response below. > > > > It appears that Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT. > > > > I have checked the membership roster of the NCUC. Mr. Shears is not > listed > > as an individual member. > > > > I'm confused as to how Mr. Shears continues to function in the > leadership > > role, or any role, in the NCSG if he is not a representative of CDT or in > > any other way a member of the SG. > > > > If you accept anonymous information as to the validity of membership > > please accept this as such and investigate. Perhaps there is a simple > > explanation. > > > > Thank you, > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Matthew Shears" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:11 AM > > Subject: Matthew Shears is no longer with CDT Re: SSC Note > > If you wish to reach Matthew please contact him at: > matthew at intpolicy.com > > Please change the e-mail address in your contact details accordingly. > > Thanks. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > -- > > Tapani Tarvainen > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-EC mailing list > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec > -- Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS Coordinator The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio MDI Road Kanifing South P. O. 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Also, if any of you have other sessions you think we should have there, speak up. Deadline for requests is Wednesday, two days from now. -- Tapani Tarvainen From Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu Tue Apr 25 01:13:26 2017 From: Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu (Zalnieriute, Monika) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 22:13:26 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-EC] Meeting in Johannesburg? In-Reply-To: <20170424150856.pltvctjo5niioirs@tarvainen.info> References: <20170424150856.pltvctjo5niioirs@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: I agree with should have a meeting in Jozi. Kind regards, Dr. Monika Zalnieriute Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I Representative @ Executive Committee I Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I ________________________________ From: NCSG-EC on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:08 PM To: ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is Subject: [NCSG-EC] Meeting in Johannesburg? Dear EC members, Johannesburg meeting is a Policy Forum that should concentrate on policy, but nonetheless I think we should have an EC meeting there. We have a lot on our plate, notably including our elections which will take place soon after Johannesburg. So, even though all of us will not be there, I'll request slot for EC meeting unless I hear objections soon. Also, if any of you have other sessions you think we should have there, speak up. Deadline for requests is Wednesday, two days from now. -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ NCSG-EC mailing list NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu Tue Apr 25 03:40:51 2017 From: Monika.Zalnieriute at EUI.eu (Zalnieriute, Monika) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 00:40:51 +0000 Subject: [NCSG-EC] [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures In-Reply-To: <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> References: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org>, <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Dear Robin, This is great work! I agree with Tapani that we can address the double voting in the election reform! The document looks great to me, I dont see any pressing issues either! I also think that the provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation would be good options - we perhaps can discuss the details of the proposed time periods on the call? Shall we all make proposals? Best wishes, Monika Kind regards, Dr. Monika Zalnieriute Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I Representative @ Executive Committee I Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I ________________________________ From: EC-NCSG on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 PM To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 01:00:13PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) wrote: > If you haven?t already been following, please see the latest version on the operating procedures for membership review: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JcHBNGsD1tYDdkzGbAxt7T6CbRFj-_SzTdK_oN7Q2jI/edit?usp=sharing > A couple additional issues have come up with the draft since we last > spoke that I?d appreciate some feedback on. > 1. How to handle people with dual membership as both an organization > and also as an individual in NCSG? Several have expressed discomfort > with this practice and the incentive it creates to game the system > by giving some people considerably more voting rights by claiming > dual memberships. One solution that has been proposed is allow those > people to have membership in both categories, but only allow the > person to vote in one of the membership categories (as an org or as > an individual). This seems like a reasonable solution to me. What do > others think? I don't think we need to do anything about it in member removal procedures, unless you want to propose removing such members. Instead I'd suggest leaving this issue to the election procedures discussion. Indeed it is included in the list of topics I sent to the election-reform list earlier (last item under (3)): https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-March/000001.html If some of you aren't on the election-reform list yet, I'd suggest subscribing: https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/election-reform I'll try to move forward with that soon, most issues should be resolved before next election, in effect before Johannesburg. > 2. How to handle vacation / traveling time in the EC procedures for > membership review? We need some flexibility because we don?t want > deadlines happening when people are on vacation, but we also can?t > have unlimited postponements due to someone claiming travel. Any > ideas for how to handle deadlines and legitimate travel / vacation > need for flexibility? Provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation. Details need some thought though. > Any other thoughts, comments, or recommendations on the draft are > most welcome. Other than the above two issues, I?d say we are ready > for membership feedback on the procedures. I'll try to find time to read it through again thoroughly tomorrow, but I don't recall any pressing issues either. -- Tapani Tarvainen _______________________________________________ EC-NCSG mailing list EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joankerr at fbsc.org Tue Apr 25 03:46:12 2017 From: joankerr at fbsc.org (Joan Kerr) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:46:12 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-EC] [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures In-Reply-To: References: <26C4A1C2-AF9B-4D40-8297-8A6718E1B176@ipjustice.org> <20170424202247.fudn7p4ppco2imiq@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Hi Robin, Thanks for your email. I am in agreement with Tapani as well. I don't have any issues that I can foresee right now. Thanks for all the work. Joan On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Zalnieriute, Monika via NCSG-EC < ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote: > Dear Robin, > > > This is great work! > > > I agree with Tapani that we can address the double voting in the election > reform! The document looks great to me, I dont see any pressing issues > either! > > > I also think that the provision for registering one's view in advance and > long enough deadlines so people have time to react before going on > vacation would be good options - we perhaps can discuss the details of the > proposed time periods on the call? Shall we all make proposals? > > > Best wishes, > > > Monika > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dr. Monika Zalnieriute > > > > Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School | > > The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I > > 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I > > > > Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I > > Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I > > > > Representative @ Executive Committee I > > Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* EC-NCSG on behalf of Tapani > Tarvainen > *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 PM > *To:* ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org > *Subject:* Re: [EC-NCSG] membership review procedures > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 01:00:13PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) > wrote: > > > If you haven?t already been following, please see the latest version on > the operating procedures for membership review: > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JcHBNGsD1tYDdkzGbAxt7T6CbRFj- > _SzTdK_oN7Q2jI/edit?usp=sharing > > > A couple additional issues have come up with the draft since we last > > spoke that I?d appreciate some feedback on. > > > 1. How to handle people with dual membership as both an organization > > and also as an individual in NCSG? Several have expressed discomfort > > with this practice and the incentive it creates to game the system > > by giving some people considerably more voting rights by claiming > > dual memberships. One solution that has been proposed is allow those > > people to have membership in both categories, but only allow the > > person to vote in one of the membership categories (as an org or as > > an individual). This seems like a reasonable solution to me. What do > > others think? > > I don't think we need to do anything about it in member removal > procedures, unless you want to propose removing such members. > > Instead I'd suggest leaving this issue to the election procedures > discussion. Indeed it is included in the list of topics I sent > to the election-reform list earlier (last item under (3)): > https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-March/000001.html > > If some of you aren't on the election-reform list yet, I'd suggest > subscribing: https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/election-reform > > I'll try to move forward with that soon, most issues should > be resolved before next election, in effect before Johannesburg. > > > 2. How to handle vacation / traveling time in the EC procedures for > > membership review? We need some flexibility because we don?t want > > deadlines happening when people are on vacation, but we also can?t > > have unlimited postponements due to someone claiming travel. Any > > ideas for how to handle deadlines and legitimate travel / vacation > > need for flexibility? > > Provision for registering one's view in advance and long enough > deadlines so people have time to react before going on vacation. > > Details need some thought though. > > > Any other thoughts, comments, or recommendations on the draft are > > most welcome. Other than the above two issues, I?d say we are ready > > for membership feedback on the procedures. > > I'll try to find time to read it through again thoroughly tomorrow, > but I don't recall any pressing issues either. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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URL: From robin at ipjustice.org Fri Apr 28 21:22:09 2017 From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:22:09 -0700 Subject: [NCSG-EC] committee methods and procedures Message-ID: <6E9A1BC6-6550-4F8C-A765-F96168326804@ipjustice.org> Dear colleagues, While working on the membership procedures in recent weeks and spending time with our charter, I noticed that there are a couple items in our task list (?our" meaning the NCSG-EC) that we haven?t yet undertaken and should. Section 2.4 of the charter, which lists principal EC duties, includes ?After review by the NCSG members, review and approve NCSG-PC and NCSG-FC methods and procedures.? I?d like to propose that we ask these two critical NCSG committees to draft and submit methods and procedures for their operations that can be reviewed and approved by the NCSG members and the EC, as stated in our charter. We should be operating holistically with shared goals and priorities that are carried out throughout the NCSG committees. And having documented procedures for how committees are to function will help them to run more smoothly and with less confusion about who is responsible for doing what and we will be able to get much more accomplished. What do others think? Shall we undertake our responsibility under the charter to get these committee procedures documented and in place? Thanks, Robin