From ncuc  Sun Aug  2 07:54:21 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:54:21 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Next EC confcall
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnit-48D2MJdOLco72pQ2T62UP7VH9oGyUqriyjZMBo5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThnit-48D2MJdOLco72pQ2T62UP7VH9oGyUqriyjZMBo5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150802045419.GA5370@tarvainen.info>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:01:12AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> I am sending to check when we should have our next EC confcall. our last
> one was in the 3rd July. shall we have our next call in August?
> I suspect that most of you will be in summer holidays so I would like to
> know about your availability.

Any Friday in August should work for me.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen



From robin  Sun Aug  2 18:47:15 2015
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:47:15 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Next EC confcall
In-Reply-To: <20150802045419.GA5370@tarvainen.info>
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The 3rd and the 4th Friday in August work for me.

Thanks,
Robin

On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:01:12AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
>> I am sending to check when we should have our next EC confcall. our last
>> one was in the 3rd July. shall we have our next call in August?
>> I suspect that most of you will be in summer holidays so I would like to
>> know about your availability.
> 
> Any Friday in August should work for me.
> 
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
> 

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From rafik.dammak  Tue Aug  4 03:54:11 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:54:11 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Next EC confcall
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Hi,

Thanks Robin and Tapani, I assume the friday 18th August would be ok unless
I hear objection.

Best Regards,

Rafik

2015-08-03 0:47 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>:

> The 3rd and the 4th Friday in August work for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:01:12AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> >> I am sending to check when we should have our next EC confcall. our last
> >> one was in the 3rd July. shall we have our next call in August?
> >> I suspect that most of you will be in summer holidays so I would like to
> >> know about your availability.
> >
> > Any Friday in August should work for me.
> >
> > --
> > Tapani Tarvainen
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EC-NCSG mailing list
> > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
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From rafik.dammak  Tue Aug  4 08:28:56 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:28:56 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Next EC confcall
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnhGP6ii-53nRqyKNyGZqLB3=+Bw5t=iCsyRV8-5CygkA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20150802045419.GA5370@tarvainen.info>
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Erratum: friday 28th august

Rafik
On Aug 4, 2015 9:54 AM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks Robin and Tapani, I assume the friday 18th August would be ok
> unless I hear objection.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2015-08-03 0:47 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>:
>
>> The 3rd and the 4th Friday in August work for me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:01:12AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am sending to check when we should have our next EC confcall. our
>> last
>> >> one was in the 3rd July. shall we have our next call in August?
>> >> I suspect that most of you will be in summer holidays so I would like
>> to
>> >> know about your availability.
>> >
>> > Any Friday in August should work for me.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tapani Tarvainen
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > EC-NCSG mailing list
>> > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EC-NCSG mailing list
>> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>>
>>
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From ncuc  Thu Aug  6 09:49:23 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:49:23 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Gender, region & application form
Message-ID: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

Dear all,

NCUC wants to make statistics about its members' gender
distribution.

Does anyone see any problems in asking that in NCSG
membership application form, probably as a radio button
type selection male/female/other?
(I'm open to allowing also "don't want to tell",
perhaps implicitly by not making the field mandatory.)

Also, if it is added, should it also apply to
organizational members' representatives?

Another item regarding the application form, it would
be nice to force consistency in country names.
At least that would make it easier to make statistics
of regional distributions.
I'm not sure how that should be made, but a drop-down
list would be an obvious possibility (even though
it'd be annoyingly long and sooner or later something will
be found missing and maybe cause even political quarrels).

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen




From rudi.vansnick  Thu Aug  6 11:01:28 2015
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:01:28 +0200
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Gender, region & application form
In-Reply-To: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
References: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <8211E742-DC47-40A0-8E77-12239E484D48@isoc.be>

Dear Tapani,

One aspect I would highlight here (as a European) : the privacy rules for Europe are quite interesting and we should ask ourselves if the info is requested by an USA based organisation or not ? If yes, requesting gender information would require in Belgium at least some extra procedures. 

Based on the names very often it is possible to define the gender of the person. In the context of NPOC, we only have organisations and as such the gender is less critical material, at the end it is the organisation joining NPOC.

My 2cents input

Rudi Vansnick
Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>

rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32



> Op 6-aug.-2015, om 08:49 heeft Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> NCUC wants to make statistics about its members' gender
> distribution.
> 
> Does anyone see any problems in asking that in NCSG
> membership application form, probably as a radio button
> type selection male/female/other?
> (I'm open to allowing also "don't want to tell",
> perhaps implicitly by not making the field mandatory.)
> 
> Also, if it is added, should it also apply to
> organizational members' representatives?
> 
> Another item regarding the application form, it would
> be nice to force consistency in country names.
> At least that would make it easier to make statistics
> of regional distributions.
> I'm not sure how that should be made, but a drop-down
> list would be an obvious possibility (even though
> it'd be annoyingly long and sooner or later something will
> be found missing and maybe cause even political quarrels).
> 
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg

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From rafik.dammak  Thu Aug  6 11:06:54 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:06:54 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Gender, region & application form
In-Reply-To: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
References: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=BywTFVZ+Wxuciw4+q=A6Sbfo7ZLSe2pkWvV_zdLZuDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tapani,


On Aug 6, 2015 3:49 PM, "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> NCUC wants to make statistics about its members' gender
> distribution.
>
> Does anyone see any problems in asking that in NCSG
> membership application form, probably as a radio button
> type selection male/female/other?
> (I'm open to allowing also "don't want to tell",
> perhaps implicitly by not making the field mandatory.)
>
>
I think that is fine.


> Also, if it is added, should it also apply to
> organizational members' representatives?
>

Representatives can change anytime, I dont see a pressing need to get their
gender

>
> Another item regarding the application form, it would
> be nice to force consistency in country names.
> At least that would make it easier to make statistics
> of regional distributions.
> I'm not sure how that should be made, but a drop-down
> list would be an obvious possibility (even though
> it'd be annoyingly long and sooner or later something will
> be found missing and maybe cause even political quarrels).
>
>
that needs some investigation if there is kind of master list or reference,
to be honest I discover many times different country lists in forms.
but indeed we will work to make things consistent.

Rafik

>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ncuc  Thu Aug  6 11:34:45 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:34:45 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Gender, region & application form
In-Reply-To: <8211E742-DC47-40A0-8E77-12239E484D48@isoc.be>
References: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
	<8211E742-DC47-40A0-8E77-12239E484D48@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <20150806083445.GH2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

On Aug 06 10:01, Rudi Vansnick (rudi.vansnick at isoc.be) wrote:

> One aspect I would highlight here (as a European) : the privacy
> rules for Europe are quite interesting and we should ask ourselves
> if the info is requested by an USA based organisation or not ? If
> yes, requesting gender information would require in Belgium at least
> some extra procedures.

Good point. Are we USA-based?

For NCUC, only about 25% of members are American.
On the other hand, some 75% are non-European.

But indeed even for an European-based organization there're
restrictions there, at least there has to be a legitimate
documented need for it. I think a gender diversity requirement
in charter would suffice for that, however.

> Based on the names very often it is possible to define the gender of
> the person.

Yes, but not always and not 100% reliably.
And even such a determination is subject to privacy laws,
if it is done systematically and especially is gender
thus determined is saved in a database.

> In the context of NPOC, we only have organisations and as such the
> gender is less critical material, at the end it is the organisation
> joining NPOC.

Yes. I brought up the issue of organizations' representatives, because
at least in theory you might have some kind of need to show gender
distribution as well and organizations as such don't have gender.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen



From ncuc  Thu Aug  6 11:46:38 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:46:38 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Gender, region & application form
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=BywTFVZ+Wxuciw4+q=A6Sbfo7ZLSe2pkWvV_zdLZuDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150806064923.GE2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
	<CAH5sTh=BywTFVZ+Wxuciw4+q=A6Sbfo7ZLSe2pkWvV_zdLZuDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150806084638.GI2523@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

On Aug 06 17:06, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> > should [gender info] also apply to
> > organizational members' representatives?

> Representatives can change anytime,

In practice they don't seem to change very often,
and changing gender in the database whenever they
change would be easy enough. I see no technical
problem here. Nonetheless:

> I dont see a pressing need to get their gender

Neither do I. Yet it might be useful sometimes,
and asking for it would cost very little.
But I have no strong opinion here.


> > Another item regarding the application form, it would
> > be nice to force consistency in country names.

> that needs some investigation if there is kind of master list or reference,

I found this:

https://meetings.icann.org/en/regions

but it seems a bit outdated (at least Serbia-Montenegro
struck my eye).

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen



From rudi.vansnick  Sat Aug 15 18:17:17 2015
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:17:17 +0200
Subject: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
Message-ID: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>

Dear colleagues,

While reading through the ICANN news messages today I came across the message below.

 ICANN news in your language <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyq-2FtcwzpQUUNKelSGW7K4MN_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1Rml2adK1sweXPw6UCCqmbRan-2Fld3kSDF-2BfCv-2Bvv8-2Ftq54hC6IqsdO-2FGTzsU6FtI4SwYppg6wCKA6VLKfEiZVdpk5ys4CMgeIbsZEdJhX4jVlA7oPeN1P4k-2FULPKqkwdFUBpyg4icR1gifbYOGZYIxCJ0ltVIN-2FnPWzzC8qFyh-2FgCrWO7ns932YJWdDvkxjeB5>
Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyoO6r0y8VJrkVkbr1igY1LfoNZ3UvAnIRBLGsVTMAb2-2F6RPwr-2Fc3JEGt2r9NfJGIYa1kFjiynPsqWwTaZx-2FgRTmTMK6PZpu0vJwGmIaB7WtT2FBVEjytx1egKZtObf4hmc-3D_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1R-2F0C-2B-2FOvuiNoR0EPsHntFKvywET7MzRlSs-2B7U-2BIsl8z9UUJDITm-2FP77-2FywYWXhx8HO8rVzcy2yvnoCWpeGh5mR1ypsdgnF7KNmyD0D1qfOK-2BhAWQiV3MVOIsL3tdb-2FdDDvE0k1NC7TA8etKRxEGzGHKMxyEQK8sRRpHv-2BJvXhuNYJvOAJKo5gTEYf6izEQt8k> 
Friday, August 14 2015 08:03 PM
Request (17 July 2015) [PDF, 432 KB] Response (14 August 2015) [PDF, 159 KB]
Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyoO6r0y8VJrkVkbr1igY1Lf2goezqGeuzdxLlSqC3Z7brar1nH2kOU-2Bwpelhkic3S7PI9tM39jxG758Xkw6ETS5K-2FjJAJ14ixPrW-2BzYYxj8c33ISnD0BY3Hfd0T1MXcpm0-3D_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1RkfuQaxL-2Bx5n1ebrgGj1M-2BjrVU-2BKO6x1EZLxwk41H7g1hUPKOaLdq7-2FvrbXRW-2F-2FX5jSFsgBHVVgKNd0tEkxVKViit3fm6NZoDMLiJ1Vz1OAT4lKwP-2B1ilHH16viaxKpDQo238rtim8ArcJe4N3uH6L847h4upmwgxudjNfrgO0rH6DhD8Wh5wUWPL6EkK6gJO> 
Friday, August 14 2015 08:00 PM
Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
As far as I?ve been able to crosscheck NCSG mailinglists, I did not see any discussion nor request for approval of the request send by Edward Morris to ICANN (board). Can someone point me to the message where the decision for this action was discussed and published ?

Kind regards,

Rudi Vansnick
Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>

rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32



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From ncuc  Sat Aug 15 18:29:28 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:29:28 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
In-Reply-To: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
References: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <20150815152928.GB31983@tarvainen.info>

Unless I'm mistaken, Ed did the DIDP by himself, as an individual,
not in the name of NCSG. So it was not decided by NCSG either.

Tapani

On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 05:17:17PM +0200, Rudi Vansnick (rudi.vansnick at isoc.be) wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
> 
> While reading through the ICANN news messages today I came across the message below.
> 
>  ICANN news in your language <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyq-2FtcwzpQUUNKelSGW7K4MN_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1Rml2adK1sweXPw6UCCqmbRan-2Fld3kSDF-2BfCv-2Bvv8-2Ftq54hC6IqsdO-2FGTzsU6FtI4SwYppg6wCKA6VLKfEiZVdpk5ys4CMgeIbsZEdJhX4jVlA7oPeN1P4k-2FULPKqkwdFUBpyg4icR1gifbYOGZYIxCJ0ltVIN-2FnPWzzC8qFyh-2FgCrWO7ns932YJWdDvkxjeB5>
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyoO6r0y8VJrkVkbr1igY1LfoNZ3UvAnIRBLGsVTMAb2-2F6RPwr-2Fc3JEGt2r9NfJGIYa1kFjiynPsqWwTaZx-2FgRTmTMK6PZpu0vJwGmIaB7WtT2FBVEjytx1egKZtObf4hmc-3D_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1R-2F0C-2B-2FOvuiNoR0EPsHntFKvywET7MzRlSs-2B7U-2BIsl8z9UUJDITm-2FP77-2FywYWXhx8HO8rVzcy2yvnoCWpeGh5mR1ypsdgnF7KNmyD0D1qfOK-2BhAWQiV3MVOIsL3tdb-2FdDDvE0k1NC7TA8etKRxEGzGHKMxyEQK8sRRpHv-2BJvXhuNYJvOAJKo5gTEYf6izEQt8k> 
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:03 PM
> Request (17 July 2015) [PDF, 432 KB] Response (14 August 2015) [PDF, 159 KB]
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyoO6r0y8VJrkVkbr1igY1Lf2goezqGeuzdxLlSqC3Z7brar1nH2kOU-2Bwpelhkic3S7PI9tM39jxG758Xkw6ETS5K-2FjJAJ14ixPrW-2BzYYxj8c33ISnD0BY3Hfd0T1MXcpm0-3D_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1RkfuQaxL-2Bx5n1ebrgGj1M-2BjrVU-2BKO6x1EZLxwk41H7g1hUPKOaLdq7-2FvrbXRW-2F-2FX5jSFsgBHVVgKNd0tEkxVKViit3fm6NZoDMLiJ1Vz1OAT4lKwP-2B1ilHH16viaxKpDQo238rtim8ArcJe4N3uH6L847h4upmwgxudjNfrgO0rH6DhD8Wh5wUWPL6EkK6gJO> 
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:00 PM
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> As far as I?ve been able to crosscheck NCSG mailinglists, I did not see any discussion nor request for approval of the request send by Edward Morris to ICANN (board). Can someone point me to the message where the decision for this action was discussed and published ?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
> 
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> 



From rafik.dammak  Sat Aug 15 18:40:53 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:40:53 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
In-Reply-To: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
References: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnfYc4_2Z+mOqZ-eJOrHH-mQpSrnVqViGAMwnzJpY5D0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The DIDP request is an individual request from Ed and he did that in his
own capacity. It is not coming from NCSG.

Best,

Rafik
On Aug 16, 2015 12:17 AM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> While reading through the ICANN news messages today I came across the
> message below.
>
>  ICANN news in your language
> <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyq-2FtcwzpQUUNKelSGW7K4MN_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1Rml2adK1sweXPw6UCCqmbRan-2Fld3kSDF-2BfCv-2Bvv8-2Ftq54hC6IqsdO-2FGTzsU6FtI4SwYppg6wCKA6VLKfEiZVdpk5ys4CMgeIbsZEdJhX4jVlA7oPeN1P4k-2FULPKqkwdFUBpyg4icR1gifbYOGZYIxCJ0ltVIN-2FnPWzzC8qFyh-2FgCrWO7ns932YJWdDvkxjeB5>
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris
> <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyoO6r0y8VJrkVkbr1igY1LfoNZ3UvAnIRBLGsVTMAb2-2F6RPwr-2Fc3JEGt2r9NfJGIYa1kFjiynPsqWwTaZx-2FgRTmTMK6PZpu0vJwGmIaB7WtT2FBVEjytx1egKZtObf4hmc-3D_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1R-2F0C-2B-2FOvuiNoR0EPsHntFKvywET7MzRlSs-2B7U-2BIsl8z9UUJDITm-2FP77-2FywYWXhx8HO8rVzcy2yvnoCWpeGh5mR1ypsdgnF7KNmyD0D1qfOK-2BhAWQiV3MVOIsL3tdb-2FdDDvE0k1NC7TA8etKRxEGzGHKMxyEQK8sRRpHv-2BJvXhuNYJvOAJKo5gTEYf6izEQt8k>
>
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:03 PM
> Request (17 July 2015) [PDF, 432 KB] Response (14 August 2015) [PDF, 159
> KB]
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> <https://u232885.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=C-2FTm5-2F-2BfGhCe7N1E04Q59KceRSTpCKLCBNcNmfrdRyoO6r0y8VJrkVkbr1igY1Lf2goezqGeuzdxLlSqC3Z7brar1nH2kOU-2Bwpelhkic3S7PI9tM39jxG758Xkw6ETS5K-2FjJAJ14ixPrW-2BzYYxj8c33ISnD0BY3Hfd0T1MXcpm0-3D_DjuVl9t7VzICSXYt6OcNfEaId2NCWuftsBGyqK2Vp8tU-2BslvUkIQaeiw1jBHBo1RkfuQaxL-2Bx5n1ebrgGj1M-2BjrVU-2BKO6x1EZLxwk41H7g1hUPKOaLdq7-2FvrbXRW-2F-2FX5jSFsgBHVVgKNd0tEkxVKViit3fm6NZoDMLiJ1Vz1OAT4lKwP-2B1ilHH16viaxKpDQo238rtim8ArcJe4N3uH6L847h4upmwgxudjNfrgO0rH6DhD8Wh5wUWPL6EkK6gJO>
>
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:00 PM
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> As far as I?ve been able to crosscheck NCSG mailinglists, I did not see
> any discussion nor request for approval of the request send by Edward
> Morris to ICANN (board). Can someone point me to the message where the
> decision for this action was discussed and published ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
>
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From rudi.vansnick  Sat Aug 15 18:49:37 2015
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:49:37 +0200
Subject: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnfYc4_2Z+mOqZ-eJOrHH-mQpSrnVqViGAMwnzJpY5D0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
	<CAH5sThnfYc4_2Z+mOqZ-eJOrHH-mQpSrnVqViGAMwnzJpY5D0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3BDEC35-2882-47BE-833C-CD09A2E337A5@isoc.be>

Please read through the document :

> As an elected member of the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council I am charged with ?managing the policy development process of the GNSO? (Bylaws, article X, section 3(4)). The GNSO Review is of particular concern to myself and to those I represent in the Non??commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG). Personally and collectively we have been troubled by the quality, or lack thereof, of work on this Review done by the retained independent contractor Westlake Governance Limited of Wellington, New Zealand (New Zealand company registration number 4692779). In order to properly discharge my duties as a GNSO Counselor representing the NCSG I am in need of further information concerning ICANN?s relationship with Westlake Governance.

> As such I, in my capacity as a member of the GNSO Council, respectfully request that the following documentary information be provided to me without delay:

Except if my English understanding of the above fails, he did not explicitly said he was requesting this in a personal capacity but is mentioning several times he is a GNSO counselor and representing the NCSG. 


Rudi Vansnick
Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>

rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32



> Op 15-aug.-2015, om 17:40 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The DIDP request is an individual request from Ed and he did that in his own capacity. It is not coming from NCSG.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> On Aug 16, 2015 12:17 AM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> While reading through the ICANN news messages today I came across the message below.
> 
>  ICANN news in your language
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris 
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:03 PM
> Request (17 July 2015) [PDF, 432 KB] Response (14 August 2015) [PDF, 159 KB]
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response 
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:00 PM
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> As far as I?ve been able to crosscheck NCSG mailinglists, I did not see any discussion nor request for approval of the request send by Edward Morris to ICANN (board). Can someone point me to the message where the decision for this action was discussed and published ?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
> 
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
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From rafik.dammak  Sat Aug 15 18:54:08 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:54:08 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
In-Reply-To: <C3BDEC35-2882-47BE-833C-CD09A2E337A5@isoc.be>
References: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
	<CAH5sThnfYc4_2Z+mOqZ-eJOrHH-mQpSrnVqViGAMwnzJpY5D0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3BDEC35-2882-47BE-833C-CD09A2E337A5@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=fmEiVda4ODauT2V+9AO=9uryDcN2NAar9GgZ2+v3deA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rudi,

I think he was stating   his status within GNSO there  and I don't see any
mention that he did it on behalf of NCSG.

He is in cc so he can give more details.

Rafik
On Aug 16, 2015 12:49 AM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:

> Please read through the document :
>
> As an elected member of the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO)
> Council I am charged with ?managing the policy development process of the
> GNSO? (Bylaws, article X, section 3(4)). The GNSO Review is of particular
> concern to myself and to those I represent in the Non??commercial
> Stakeholders Group (NCSG). Personally and collectively we have been
> troubled by the quality, or lack thereof, of work on this Review done by
> the retained independent contractor Westlake Governance Limited
> of Wellington, New Zealand (New Zealand company registration number
> 4692779). In order to properly discharge my duties as a GNSO Counselor
> representing the NCSG I am in need of further information concerning
> ICANN?s relationship with Westlake Governance.
>
>
> As such I, in my capacity as a member of the GNSO Council, respectfully
> request that the following documentary information be provided to me
> without delay:
>
>
> Except if my English understanding of the above fails, he did not
> explicitly said he was requesting this in a personal capacity but is
> mentioning several times he is a GNSO counselor and representing the NCSG.
>
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>
>
> Op 15-aug.-2015, om 17:40 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi,
>
> The DIDP request is an individual request from Ed and he did that in his
> own capacity. It is not coming from NCSG.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Aug 16, 2015 12:17 AM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> While reading through the ICANN news messages today I came across the
> message below.
>
>  ICANN news in your language
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:03 PM
> Request (17 July 2015) [PDF, 432 KB] Response (14 August 2015) [PDF, 159
> KB]
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:00 PM
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> As far as I?ve been able to crosscheck NCSG mailinglists, I did not see
> any discussion nor request for approval of the request send by Edward
> Morris to ICANN (board). Can someone point me to the message where the
> decision for this action was discussed and published ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
>
>
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From ncuc  Sat Aug 15 19:04:47 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 19:04:47 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=fmEiVda4ODauT2V+9AO=9uryDcN2NAar9GgZ2+v3deA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
	<CAH5sThnfYc4_2Z+mOqZ-eJOrHH-mQpSrnVqViGAMwnzJpY5D0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3BDEC35-2882-47BE-833C-CD09A2E337A5@isoc.be>
	<CAH5sTh=fmEiVda4ODauT2V+9AO=9uryDcN2NAar9GgZ2+v3deA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150815160447.GC31983@tarvainen.info>

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:54:08AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi Rudi,
> 
> I think he was stating   his status within GNSO there  and I don't see any
> mention that he did it on behalf of NCSG.

Neither do I.

He did it in his capacity as a councillor, and as such
he does not need EC's or anybody else's approval:

> > As such I, in my capacity as a member of the GNSO Council

A councillor is elected by the SG to act as they see best,
not just for relaying things decided elsewhere.

Indeed it would be rather impractical if they had to
constantly ask for approval from the EC or PC or whatever.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen



From maryam.bakoshi  Tue Aug 18 13:19:18 2015
From: maryam.bakoshi (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:19:18 +0000
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG EC Meeting | 28 Aug 2015 | 15:00 UTC
Message-ID: <6830ee88013f4f72abe6f41a2caf6e90@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>

Dear All,


Please find below participation details for the NCSG EC call on Friday, 28th August 2015 at 15:00 UTC


Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ncsg/


Time Zones: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=100,8,5&h=100&date=2015-8-28&sln=15-17


Passcodes/Pin codes:
Participant passcode: NCSG EC

For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the conference.

Dial in numbers:
Country         Toll Numbers    Freephone/
Toll Free Number


ARGENTINA                       0800-777-0519<tel:0800-777-0519>
AUSTRALIA       ADELAIDE:       61-8-8121-4842  1-800-657-260
AUSTRALIA       BRISBANE:       61-7-3102-0944  1-800-657-260
AUSTRALIA       CANBERRA:       61-2-6100-1944  1-800-657-260
AUSTRALIA       MELBOURNE:      61-3-9010-7713  1-800-657-260
AUSTRALIA       PERTH:  61-8-9467-5223  1-800-657-260
AUSTRALIA       SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129  1-800-657-260
AUSTRIA         43-1-92-81-113  0800-005-259
BELGIUM         32-2-400-9861   0800-3-8795
BRAZIL                  0800-7610651<tel:0800-7610651>
CHILE                   1230-020-2863
CHINA   CHINA A:        86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670
CHINA   CHINA B:        86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670
COLOMBIA                        01800-9-156474
CZECH REPUBLIC          420-2-25-98-56-64       800-700-177
DENMARK         45-7014-0284    8088-8324
ESTONIA                 800-011-1093
FINLAND         358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610
FRANCE  LYON:   33-4-26-69-12-85        080-511-1496
FRANCE  MARSEILLE:      33-4-86-06-00-85        080-511-1496
FRANCE  PARIS:  33-1-70-70-60-72        080-511-1496
GERMANY         49-69-2222-20362        0800-664-4247<tel:0800-664-4247>
GREECE          30-80-1-100-0687        00800-12-7312
HONG KONG               852-3001-3863   800-962-856
HUNGARY                 06-800-12755
INDIA   INDIA A:                000-800-852-1268
INDIA   INDIA B:                000-800-001-6305
INDIA   INDIA C:                1800-300-00491
INDONESIA                       001-803-011-3982
IRELAND         353-1-246-7646  1800-992-368
ISRAEL                  1-80-9216162
ITALY   MILAN:  39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383
JAPAN   OSAKA:  81-6-7739-4799<tel:81-6-7739-4799>      0066-33-132439
JAPAN   TOKYO:  81-3-5539-5191<tel:81-3-5539-5191>      0066-33-132439
LATVIA                  8000-3185
LUXEMBOURG              352-27-000-1364
MALAYSIA                        1-800-81-3065
MEXICO                  001-866-376-9696
NETHERLANDS             31-20-718-8588  0800-023-4378<tel:0800-023-4378>
NEW ZEALAND             64-9-970-4771   0800-447-722
NORWAY          47-21-590-062   800-15157
PANAMA                  011-001-800-5072065
PERU                    0800-53713
PHILIPPINES             63-2-858-3716
POLAND                  00-800-1212572
PORTUGAL                        8008-14052
RUSSIA                  8-10-8002-0144011
SAUDI ARABIA                    800-8-110087
SINGAPORE               65-6883-9230    800-120-4663
SLOVAK REPUBLIC         421-2-322-422-25
SOUTH AFRICA                    080-09-80414
SOUTH KOREA             82-2-6744-1083  00798-14800-7352
SPAIN           34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053
SWEDEN          46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622
SWITZERLAND             41-44-580-6398  0800-120-032
TAIWAN          886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797
THAILAND                        001-800-1206-66056
UNITED KINGDOM  BIRMINGHAM:     44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029
UNITED KINGDOM  GLASGOW:        44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029
UNITED KINGDOM  LEEDS:  44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029
UNITED KINGDOM  LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029
UNITED KINGDOM  MANCHESTER:     44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029
URUGUAY                 000-413-598-3421
USA             1-517-345-9004  866-692-5726
VENEZUELA                       0800-1-00-3702


Restrictions may exist when accessing freephone/toll free numbers using a mobile telephone.


Many thanks,
--
Maryam Bakoshi
Secretariat ?Support - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)


Email: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
Mobile: +44 7737 698036
Skype: maryam.bakoshi.icann
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From rafik.dammak  Sun Aug 23 11:21:24 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:21:24 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
Message-ID: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone.

the election preparation is ongoing with the check-in process and the
nomination period:
- the check-in process is still continuing till 26th Aug to give all
members the chance to join. Maryam sent several reminders and we are also
sending direct emails too to get responses as much as possible. we extend
the deadline if needed but we have to prepare the list to send to Glen
beforehand and also be able to double-check. any help to contact people is
welcome here.

After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates 26th or
28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)

The format should be simple, I am proposing this
- statement by candidates starting with those for chair positions then
council (max 3 minutes for each candidates), we will go by alphabetical
order (last name)
- asking them 3 questions we think relevant (your input would be helpful)
and not redundant with those asked already for the statement
- then opening the floor to Q&A from members and give most of time for them
I can do the moderation

any rules we should think about here? we should work on this quickly so we
can make the announcement (we will send several reminders to nudge people
to attend) and ask candidates about their availability soon. it is kind of
experiment for us and we can learn a lot from it.

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak  Sun Aug 23 16:49:03 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:49:03 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd:  personal/individual request in name of NCSG
In-Reply-To: <496d63eefbac48d98e2cc730f31d7868@toast.net>
References: <B540B7E6-F5D8-4CF8-A7F7-CDFA52B8007A@isoc.be>
	<CAH5sThnfYc4_2Z+mOqZ-eJOrHH-mQpSrnVqViGAMwnzJpY5D0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3BDEC35-2882-47BE-833C-CD09A2E337A5@isoc.be>
	<CAH5sTh=fmEiVda4ODauT2V+9AO=9uryDcN2NAar9GgZ2+v3deA@mail.gmail.com>
	<496d63eefbac48d98e2cc730f31d7868@toast.net>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThntaco2QDDO0s9kR6AttKv93d2VkkkQQNb6gDMY=f+oiw@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
Date: 2015-08-23 21:54 GMT+09:00
Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG
To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, "rudi. vansnick" <
rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
Cc: Ec-NCSG mail list <ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>


Thanks Rafik and apologies for the delay in my response - August is an
extremely busy month for me professionally and I'm behind a bit on my ICANN
obligations.

Rudi, I'm sorry you've had some problems with my DIDP request. That
certainly was not my intent and I would be happy to discuss this further
with you if your misgivings remain. To clarify a few things per your posts
on the EC list:

1. The DIDP communication in no way involves the Board. The DIDP is a
request to staff to release information not already made public. The Board
is not involved.

2. Although a personal request I did give notification to the community on
the NCSG PC list on July 5th. This notification stimulated responses from
other PC members on July 6th and July 8th. I today gave an update on
progress on my DIDP to the PC list.

As Rafik and Tapani indicated this was a personal request and in no way did
I represent otherwise. DIDP requests are often made by individuals as there
is no advantage in making such a request as a group. I wanted the
information so I can better carry out my duties as an elected
representative on Council from the NCSG. It is customary in DIDP requests
to let ICANN know your position and why you want the information so they
can better tailor a response to your needs.

I'm actually quite proud of this request. The response generated is
actually historic: for the first time ever ICANN has released 3rd party
contractual information through the use of the DIDP statutory balancing
test. This is a great step forward in the battle to make ICANN a more
transparent and open organisation.

Riudi, I'm sorry my way of doing things did not meet with your approval.
I'm happy to discuss things further with you, on list or off list, to try
to reach an accommodation all are comfortable with.

Best,

Ed

------------------------------
*From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
*Sent*: Saturday, August 15, 2015 4:54 PM
*To*: "rudi. vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
*Cc*: "Ec-NCSG mail list" <ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>, "Edward Morris" <
egmorris1 at toast.net>
*Subject*: Re: [EC-NCSG] personal/individual request in name of NCSG


Hi Rudi,

I think he was stating   his status within GNSO there  and I don't see any
mention that he did it on behalf of NCSG.

He is in cc so he can give more details.

Rafik
On Aug 16, 2015 12:49 AM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:
>
> Please read through the document :
>
>
> As an elected member of the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO)
> Council I am charged with ?managing the policy development process of the
> GNSO? (Bylaws, article X, section 3(4)). The GNSO Review is of particular
> concern to myself and to those I represent in the Non?-commercial
> Stakeholders Group (NCSG). Personally and collectively we have been
> troubled by the quality, or lack thereof, of work on this Review done by
> the retained independent contractor Westlake Governance Limited
> of Wellington, New Zealand (New Zealand company registration number
> 4692779). In order to properly discharge my duties as a GNSO Counselor
> representing the NCSG I am in need of further information concerning
> ICANN?s relationship with Westlake Governance.
>
>
>
> As such I, in my capacity as a member of the GNSO Council, respectfully
> request that the following documentary information be provided to me
> without delay:
>
>
> Except if my English understanding of the above fails, he did not
> explicitly said he was requesting this in a personal capacity but is
> mentioning several times he is a GNSO counselor and representing the NCSG.
>
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>
>
> Op 15-aug.-2015, om 17:40 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi,
>
> The DIDP request is an individual request from Ed and he did that in his
> own capacity. It is not coming from NCSG.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Aug 16, 2015 12:17 AM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> While reading through the ICANN news messages today I came across the
> message below.
>
>  ICANN news in your language
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:03 PM
> Request (17 July 2015) [PDF, 432 KB] Response (14 August 2015) [PDF, 159
> KB]
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> Friday, August 14 2015 08:00 PM
> Request 20150717-1, Edward Morris | Response
> As far as I?ve been able to crosscheck NCSG mailinglists, I did not see
> any discussion nor request for approval of the request send by Edward
> Morris to ICANN (board). Can someone point me to the message where the
> decision for this action was discussed and published ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
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From ncuc  Sun Aug 23 22:03:52 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:03:52 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150823190352.GC25836@tarvainen.info>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
> statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
> this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates 26th or
> 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)

I can't do 26th.

On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.

31st should be ok.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen



From rafik.dammak  Mon Aug 24 03:00:22 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:00:22 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <20150823190352.GC25836@tarvainen.info>
References: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150823190352.GC25836@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThm2CnrNr==3RZYiMAKzCjyZD5+uPEa7-Z8xMde0jo6knw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Tapani, waiting for others comment here.
28th can give us time to advertise.

Best,

Rafik

2015-08-24 4:03 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>:

> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
> > statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
> > this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates 26th
> or
> > 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)
>
> I can't do 26th.
>
> On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
> then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.
>
> 31st should be ok.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
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From rafik.dammak  Tue Aug 25 13:06:14 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:06:14 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThm2CnrNr==3RZYiMAKzCjyZD5+uPEa7-Z8xMde0jo6knw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=q9ztbxcB6pLGbnZ0bpKgt6BWxN1Q3HmriOUeThUK3Tw@mail.gmail.com>

yes I think we should move the EC call to next week , same time. having the
Election call in Friday instead, confirming with  candidates availability.

Rafik

2015-08-24 9:00 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

>
> Thanks Tapani, waiting for others comment here.
> 28th can give us time to advertise.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2015-08-24 4:03 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> > After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
>> > statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
>> > this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates
>> 26th or
>> > 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)
>>
>> I can't do 26th.
>>
>> On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
>> then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.
>>
>> 31st should be ok.
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EC-NCSG mailing list
>> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>>
>
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From robin  Tue Aug 25 19:26:30 2015
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:26:30 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=q9ztbxcB6pLGbnZ0bpKgt6BWxN1Q3HmriOUeThUK3Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150823190352.GC25836@tarvainen.info>
	<CAH5sThm2CnrNr==3RZYiMAKzCjyZD5+uPEa7-Z8xMde0jo6knw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3BC18137-70E1-4308-A4EC-5B7FF3C099F9@ipjustice.org>

This works for me.  Thanks, folks!

Best,
Robin

On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:06 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:

> yes I think we should move the EC call to next week , same time. having the Election call in Friday instead, confirming with  candidates availability.
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2015-08-24 9:00 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
> 
> Thanks Tapani, waiting for others comment here. 
> 28th can give us time to advertise.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 
> 2015-08-24 4:03 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
> > statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
> > this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates 26th or
> > 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)
> 
> I can't do 26th.
> 
> On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
> then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.
> 
> 31st should be ok.
> 
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg

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From ncuc  Wed Aug 26 10:19:10 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:19:10 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=q9ztbxcB6pLGbnZ0bpKgt6BWxN1Q3HmriOUeThUK3Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150823190352.GC25836@tarvainen.info>
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	<CAH5sTh=q9ztbxcB6pLGbnZ0bpKgt6BWxN1Q3HmriOUeThUK3Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150826071909.GB15808@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

So next EC call Friday 4 September. Works for me.

Tapani

On Aug 25 19:06, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> yes I think we should move the EC call to next week , same time. having the
> Election call in Friday instead, confirming with  candidates availability.
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2015-08-24 9:00 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
> 
> >
> > Thanks Tapani, waiting for others comment here.
> > 28th can give us time to advertise.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> >
> >
> > 2015-08-24 4:03 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> >> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> > After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
> >> > statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
> >> > this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates
> >> 26th or
> >> > 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)
> >>
> >> I can't do 26th.
> >>
> >> On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
> >> then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.
> >>
> >> 31st should be ok.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tapani Tarvainen



From rudi.vansnick  Wed Aug 26 11:16:37 2015
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:16:37 +0200
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <20150826071909.GB15808@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
References: <CAH5sThm-WNgeJDFsZDoknjamumwDV7Ao53qK15ysygnG2r7DVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20150823190352.GC25836@tarvainen.info>
	<CAH5sThm2CnrNr==3RZYiMAKzCjyZD5+uPEa7-Z8xMde0jo6knw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <79348E99-1D03-40C9-8160-D65679300ECB@isoc.be>

I will not be available as I will be travelling on Friday (flying back from South Africa).
Anyway, as there is no voting required, I consider someone else from NPOc can replace me.

Rudi Vansnick
Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>

rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32



> Op 26-aug.-2015, om 09:19 heeft Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> So next EC call Friday 4 September. Works for me.
> 
> Tapani
> 
> On Aug 25 19:06, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
>> yes I think we should move the EC call to next week , same time. having the
>> Election call in Friday instead, confirming with  candidates availability.
>> 
>> Rafik
>> 
>> 2015-08-24 9:00 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Tapani, waiting for others comment here.
>>> 28th can give us time to advertise.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2015-08-24 4:03 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
>>>>> statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
>>>>> this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates
>>>> 26th or
>>>>> 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)
>>>> 
>>>> I can't do 26th.
>>>> 
>>>> On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
>>>> then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.
>>>> 
>>>> 31st should be ok.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg

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From rafik.dammak  Wed Aug 26 11:20:47 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:20:47 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] election preparation
In-Reply-To: <79348E99-1D03-40C9-8160-D65679300ECB@isoc.be>
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Hi Rudi,

We will mainly review the applications, we got some backlog,

Rafik
On Aug 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:

> I will not be available as I will be travelling on Friday (flying back
> from South Africa).
> Anyway, as there is no voting required, I consider someone else from NPOc
> can replace me.
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>
>
>
> Op 26-aug.-2015, om 09:19 heeft Tapani Tarvainen <
> ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> het volgende geschreven:
>
> So next EC call Friday 4 September. Works for me.
>
> Tapani
>
> On Aug 25 19:06, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> yes I think we should move the EC call to next week , same time. having the
> Election call in Friday instead, confirming with  candidates availability.
>
> Rafik
>
> 2015-08-24 9:00 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>
> Thanks Tapani, waiting for others comment here.
> 28th can give us time to advertise.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2015-08-24 4:03 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 05:21:24PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> After the nomination period, candidates are supposed to send their
> statement. one idea is to organize a confcall for candidates and members
> this week maybe for 60 to 90min. I would suggest as tentative dates
>
> 26th or
>
> 28th Aug (we can also make it by 31st Aug if needed)
>
>
> I can't do 26th.
>
> On 28th we're supposed to have EC call, not really enough time
> then for both. Guess we could move the EC call.
>
> 31st should be ok.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
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From rudi.vansnick  Wed Aug 26 17:06:12 2015
From: rudi.vansnick (Rudi Vansnick)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:06:12 +0200
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG membership related issues
Message-ID: <7CE6D058-81D6-4C2D-9F9F-454E2681FCB6@isoc.be>

Dear NCSG EC chair,
Dear NCSG EC members,
 
The NPOC executive committee recently held 2 meetings, the last one specifically focusing on the membership check-in process. As we want to allow all the NPOC members to properly exercise their voting rights, we had ordered our Membership Committee together with ICANN staff member Maryam Bakoshi to evaluate the check-in process for the NPOC members. Based on the outcome of this evaluation process we, once again, concluded the actual NCSG membership database is incomplete and contains many issues not allowing our constituency to properly validate the ongoing process for NCSG elections. We fear that similar issues may exist with the NCUC membership list as well.
 
The first quite important issue, with almost no solution so far, is about the historical information of members. It seems all information before 2012 is lost or not available and makes a proper validation of members almost impossible. This issue has been raised by NPOC EC members several times and no solution has been proposed nor implemented. Thus the NCSG membership seems to us incomplete and not a good basis for the scheduled election process (need for greater transparency in verification and validation process).
 
During the recent NPOC election process, NPOC had proceed with a similar check-in process on the NPOC membership list to identify who was an in good standing as an NPOC member and thus allowed to vote during the 2015 NPOC elections. Now, having the same process in less than a few months, again addressing NPOC?s membership seems to us an overload of requests putting our membership in a kind of distrust position with regards NPOC. A better solution is required for the verification and validation of voter for future elections.
 
Furthermore, we have discovered that some of the NPOC members are (no longer) in the NCSG list, while they still are responding to NPOC?s check-in requests. Thus, again clearly illustrating discordance of the membership databases and not allowing an appropriate election process as some of our NPOC members would not be allowed to vote. First requirement for a candidate NPOC member is to become and stay on as an NCSG member. So, we do not understand why some members are not in the NCSG list anymore.
 
In conclusion : We feel that since the membership is not duly reflective and certainly not representative of NPOC, NSCG inability to address these issues to encourage and ensure election participation, we as NPOC excom may have no choice but to abstain from this election.   Therefor we request an ad hoc committee at NCSG EC level to look into all these issues and start a process for a workable solution to the membership management, verification and validation process, so we are no longer postponing the resolution of these issues. They should be dealt with before an adequate NCSG election voting process is undertaken.

For NPOC EC,

Rudi Vansnick
Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
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From rafik.dammak  Wed Aug 26 17:19:35 2015
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 23:19:35 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG membership related issues
In-Reply-To: <7CE6D058-81D6-4C2D-9F9F-454E2681FCB6@isoc.be>
References: <7CE6D058-81D6-4C2D-9F9F-454E2681FCB6@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=_-uLjOyuO2x9ouSu1S8gghXH5cDCE=Ms=6v4+7-Q48A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rudi,

I would like to ask some questions and out some clarification;
- how did you make the current NPOC members list? based on NPOC mailing
list?  did NPOC have a correct members list before it made the correction?
did  NPOC check the members it found against NCSG list before declaring
them in good standing?
one old issue is that with first NPOC leadership that approved members
without going through NCSG and that was wrong. several applicants have
eligibility issues.
- I saw that Joan sent reminders to NPOC members to check-in and Maryam
changed their status to active. any NCSG/NPOC member who checked-in will be
able to vote.
- can you send the list you are talking about?

Best,

Rafik

2015-08-26 23:06 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:

> Dear NCSG EC chair,
> Dear NCSG EC members,
>
> The NPOC executive committee recently held 2 meetings, the last one
> specifically focusing on the membership check-in process. As we want to
> allow all the NPOC members to properly exercise their voting rights, we had
> ordered our Membership Committee together with ICANN staff member Maryam
> Bakoshi to evaluate the check-in process for the NPOC members. Based on the
> outcome of this evaluation process we, once again, concluded the actual
> NCSG membership database is incomplete and contains many issues not
> allowing our constituency to properly validate the ongoing process for NCSG
> elections. We fear that similar issues may exist with the NCUC membership
> list as well.
>
> The first quite important issue, with almost no solution so far, is about
> the historical information of members. It seems all information before 2012
> is lost or not available and makes a proper validation of members almost
> impossible. This issue has been raised by NPOC EC members several times and
> no solution has been proposed nor implemented. Thus the NCSG membership
> seems to us incomplete and not a good basis for the scheduled election
> process (need for greater transparency in verification and validation
> process).
>
> During the recent NPOC election process, NPOC had proceed with a similar
> check-in process on the NPOC membership list to identify who was an in good
> standing as an NPOC member and thus allowed to vote during the 2015 NPOC
> elections. Now, having the same process in less than a few months, again
> addressing NPOC?s membership seems to us an overload of requests putting
> our membership in a kind of distrust position with regards NPOC. A better
> solution is required for the verification and validation of voter for
> future elections.
>
> Furthermore, we have discovered that some of the NPOC members are (no
> longer) in the NCSG list, while they still are responding to
> NPOC?s check-in requests. Thus, again clearly illustrating discordance of
> the membership databases and not allowing an appropriate election
> process as some of our NPOC members would not be allowed to vote. First
> requirement for a candidate NPOC member is to become and stay on as an NCSG
> member. So, we do not understand why some members are not in the NCSG list
> anymore.
>
> In conclusion : We feel that since the membership is not duly reflective
> and certainly not representative of NPOC, NSCG inability to address
> these issues to encourage and ensure election participation, we as NPOC
> excom may have no choice but to abstain from this election.   Therefor we
> request an ad hoc committee at NCSG EC level to look into all these
> issues and start a process for a workable solution to the membership
> management, verification and validation process, so we are no
> longer postponing the resolution of these issues. They should be dealt with
> before an adequate NCSG election voting process is undertaken.
>
> For NPOC EC,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
> Chair Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC)
> www.npoc.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
>
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From maryam.bakoshi  Wed Aug 26 19:30:24 2015
From: maryam.bakoshi (Maryam Bakoshi)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:30:24 +0000
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG EC Meeting | 4 Sept 2015 | 15:00 UTC
Message-ID: <9ea70fa24cc540029a443d764fa5d5e9@PMBX112-E1-VA-2.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>

Dear All,


Please find below participation details for the NCSG EC call on Friday, 4th Sept 2015 at 15:00 UTC


Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ncsg/


Time Zones: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=100,8,5&h=100&date=2015-9-4&sln=15-17


Passcodes/Pin codes:
Participant passcode: NCSG EC

For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the conference.

Dial in numbers:
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ARGENTINA                       0800-777-0519<tel:0800-777-0519>
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Many thanks,
--
Maryam Bakoshi
Secretariat ?Support - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)


Email: maryam.bakoshi at icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
Mobile: +44 7737 698036
Skype: maryam.bakoshi.icann
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From ncuc  Sat Aug 29 09:18:51 2015
From: ncuc (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:18:51 +0300
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG membership related issues
In-Reply-To: <7CE6D058-81D6-4C2D-9F9F-454E2681FCB6@isoc.be>
References: <7CE6D058-81D6-4C2D-9F9F-454E2681FCB6@isoc.be>
Message-ID: <20150829061851.GA15298@tarvainen.info>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 04:06:12PM +0200, Rudi Vansnick (rudi.vansnick at isoc.be) wrote:

> we request an ad hoc committee at NCSG EC level to look
> into all these issues and start a process for a workable solution to
> the membership management, verification and validation process

Dear Rudi,

I don't quite understand what kind of committee you have in mind
and how it should work - why can't this be done by the EC itself.
It would be helpful if you could elaborate a little.

I would, however, be willing to participate in such a committee,
if I could that way help in resolving the issue.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen