[EC-NCSG] Fwd: [PC-NCSG] Letter to Board re NPOC seat on Nomcom

Robin Gross robin
Mon Jul 8 04:03:29 EEST 2013 

Dear NCSG-EC:

Can we get approval on the letter to the board to create a NomCom seat for NPOC?

Thanks,
Robin

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Letter to Board re NPOC seat on Nomcom
> Date: July 7, 2013 6:01:42 PM PDT
> To: Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG>
> Cc: NCSG-Policy Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> 
> Thanks, Avri.  Yes I agree we should send it asap and I'll cool with sending it.  I will also send it to the EC for agreement.  It will carry the most weight if both the PC and the EC sign off on the letter.
> 
> Thanks,
> Robin
> 
> 
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I totally agree that they should have their own seat.  Since that take a bylaws change they haven't been able to get done since the creation of NPOC, to expect it to happen in time for next year's Nomcom is optimistic.  The Board should have taken care of this more than a year ago.  But it wasn't a priority, I guess.
>> 
>> Bill suggested a one time use, i beleive it was a one time use, of the Ed seat for NPOC.  I agreed it was worth a try.  The can always cut the knot by appointing an academic from NPOC.  That is why I wrote the last line a bit ambiguously.  At least I think it is a bit ambiguous.
>> 
>> Wendy, is it safe to say we have PC consensus?  people from both Constituencies have spoken in favor and no one has spoken against.
>> 
>> Robin: Is there EC agreement?  You cool with sending it?  I think the sooner the better at this point.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Jul 2013, at 11:33, Maria Farrell wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, Avri, I thought it was about creating a new seat from scratch. Personally I think that's more straightforward than resurrecting an old one and arguing that npoc should get it,  but my bad on losing the thread. I still support your letter.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, m
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 5 Jul 2013, at 12:28, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I am confused.  You support the leeter, I appreciate that, but I am following Bill Drake's suggestion that the academic seat be filled with someone from NPOC.  Is that the 'tie in the academic seat' you write about?
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik, changing the bylaws takes at least as long as a comment period.  It is too late for that now, isn't it?
>>>> 
>>>> avri
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5 Jul 2013, at 06:38, Maria Farrell wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I support avri's letter, too. I think it would be a mistake to tie in the academic seat - background too murky, will cause delay in this letter & open up opportunity to board to obfuscate by saying it 's too difficult or complicated, or external parties should be drawn in, etc etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maria
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Jul 2013, at 08:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> maybe I am misunderstanding but I thought the goal is to ask Board to change the bylaws quickly and activate two nomcom rep seat: one for NPOC and one for academic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rafik 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2013/7/5 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
>>>>>> Letter's good, although I 'd have thought the initiative should have been taken by the key party to the claim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BD
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Having said I wasn't going to write it,
>>>>>>> How about something like:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear ICANN Board,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It has come to the NCSG's attention that NPOC, one of our Stakeholder Group constituencies, still has not been given a seat on the NomCom.  While we understand that a By-Laws change is required for this, we would have expected the Board to have taken care of this within a year of having created a mechanism for the creation of new constituencies and having approved the creation of NPOC. It has been much longer and we understand that NPOC has tried to get this taken care of.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We also understand that there is no time for the Board to do so in time for this year's Nomcom, please get this done before next year's Nomcom.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are currently faced with a NomCom where NPOC is not represented.  We understand that the Board has the ability to appoint an academic representative to the NomCom.  We urgently request that the Board immediately appoint that academic representative from the NPOC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This urgent request has been endorsed by the NCSG Executive and Policy Committees
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Signed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> NCSG Chair
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> **********************************************************
>>>>>> William J. Drake
>>>>>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>>>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>>>>> ICANN, www.ncuc.org
>>>>>> william.drake at uzh.ch
>>>>>> www.williamdrake.org
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