[EC-NCSG] pending NCSG membership applications - votes & comments
Robin Gross
robin
Tue Oct 30 21:53:50 EET 2012
Dear Alain,
You agreed during the EC meeting in Toronto that this 2-step process
was confusing to people and needed to be separated out of the NCSG
membership application.
Are you now changing your mind again on your position on this matter
and now wishing to re-open what had been decided in Toronto
unanimously including your agreement there?
NCSG applicants are increasingly confused because you do not explain
to them that NCSG membership is a separate process from NPOC
membership. You are accepting orgs as NPOC members before they are
admitted into the NCSG. How many times do I have to explain to you
that is backwards and contrary to the NCSG Charter? This matter was
finally laid to rest in Toronto. Why are you now wishing to open it
and continue to cause confusion among applicants?
Regards,
Robin
On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Alain Berranger wrote:
> Dear Robin,
>
> No offense taken.
>
> I hope my clarification was sufficient.
>
> What maybe needs further explaining, is that NPOC does active
> recruiting and it would be nonsensical for NPOC to invite an NGO/
> NFP to apply for NCSG membership and then refuse them membership in
> NPOC! So, de facto as the form and process now stands, when NCSG
> approves a member recruited by NPOC, it becomes an NPOC member.
> That is what I mean by APPROVED FOR NPOC membership, because I
> don't mean APPROVED FOR NCUC membership. For instance, Bytes for
> Pakistan (spelling?) was not recruited by NPOC, so I APPROVE FOR
> NCUC membership was my statement.
>
> This is also required because the current NCSG application template
> is in need of improvement (as we agreed in Toronto during the NCSG-
> EC meeting and we do not wish for an NPOC-recruited member to
> become inadvertently an NCUC member because of a template snafu
> (or booby trap as Klaus calls them!) or misreading by applicant.
> Remember for instance the British Red Cross, clearly recruited by
> NPOC, ended up as an NCUC applicant.
>
> Finally, since we have not agreed on a one step (NPOC's preference)
> or two step process (NCUC's preference), these clarifying comments
> during approval are useful in my mind and clearly establishe which
> Constituency the applicant joins, in case of any doubt.
>
> Thanks and I hope you understand, Alain
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> wrote:
> Dear Alain,
>
> Please do not get offended. I am sincerely asking for
> clarification because we have a misunderstanding as to what is said
> and what it means.
>
> I'm simply trying to clarify that this is an NCSG-EC activity -
> reviewing and approving NCSG membership applications, as per the
> NCSG Charter. This NCSG-EC is not approving NPOC memberships -
> that is up to NPOC to do according to its own procedures. That is
> all I am saying and hope you are hearing.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
>> Robin,
>>
>> It means what it says. It is as clear as canadian glacier water!...
>>
>> Are you assuming there is a consensus on the process? this is not
>> the case... we progressed a bit in Toronto, but did not finish our
>> discussions; we certainly discussed but did not agree to this 2
>> step approach... We decided the NCSG membership application
>> template needs to be redesigned and NPOC and NCUC must come to an
>> agreement.
>>
>> We at NPOC recruit for NPOC - this is clear - and the NCSG process
>> is a first hoop we have to jump through because of the charter...
>> we comply to the letter, but not great spirit in doing it..., I
>> assure you. I was starting to be comfortable that NPOC could
>> thrive inside NCSG, but now I have my doubts with your remark.
>>
>> To go forward, let's make sure the fragile relationship we are
>> building is maintained and not jump to the conclusion that NPOC
>> will do whatever the NCSG establishment wishes...
>>
>> Please, I am mostly interested in growing the NPOC Constituency...
>> can this please make sure this happens in NCSG as we now stand?
>> Please cut us some slack!...
>>
>> Thanks for your understanding!
>>
>> Alain
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Robin Gross
>> <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>> Alain,
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "approve for NPOC membership".
>>
>> We are a committee of NCSG members voting to approve applicants to
>> NCSG membership.
>>
>> Approval for constituency memberships is a separate process that
>> happens after NCSG has accepted them for membership, and is done
>> by the individual constituencies.
>>
>> So we (NCSG-EC) are not approving anything for NPOC - this is an
>> NCSG activity we are doing on this list. I hope that clarifies
>> this task.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have added my comments below from memory.... the google docs
>>> link in Robin's originating email is failing me... I have asked
>>> Robin for an alternate url route.... I will revert quickly as
>>> soon as I can access the applications. Thks in advance
>>>
>>> Alain
>>>
>>> PS - my name spells Alain Berranger (2 r's)... I have corrected
>>> where necessary...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Milton L Mueller
>>> <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PENDING NCSG MEMBERSHIP APPLICATIONS
>>>
>>>
>>> ORGANIZATIONS:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. National Council for Voluntary Organisations
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Robin Gross voted to approve.
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. British Red Cross
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin Gross has questions as to whether the organization is part
>>> of (or chartered under) governmental authority and not
>>> independent noncommercial civil society organization. Need
>>> further inquiry and clarification from organization.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....same as Robin
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger: seems like a no brainer to me, but I will ask
>>> for clarification
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. INTIC4DEV - Institut des TIC pour le d?veloppement
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin Gross is unable to evaluate the organization (since its
>>> website is in French). But I notice a bunch of company names of
>>> the website, ex : Microsoft, Cisco, etc. so I wonder if it is
>>> mainly funded by commercial organizations. Would like further
>>> information and input on commercial ties of organization.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller ..... Tending to approve, however I am unsure. I
>>> have an inquiry out to someone from Togo. The company names come
>>> from the certification programs they run, so there is nothing
>>> wrong there. However, they mention that Alison.com is a partner,
>>> and Alison.com is a for-profit, advertising supported entity that
>>> offers free learning. Alain, can you vouch that they are
>>> nonprofit, or do they sell these training certification programs
>>> for profit, or run on advertising?
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger - I know Olivier Kouami... He is an ICT4D senior
>>> Consultant in his private practice and heads up this NGO on the
>>> side (A bit like you Robin with your own practice and IPjustice).
>>> He is a volunteer on NPOC's Program Committee and in charge of
>>> facilitating the recruiting NGOs/NFPs in francophone Africa, so
>>> he understands wlll the NFP criteria of NCSG. I will raise your
>>> concerns...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. Bytes for All, Pakistan
>>>
>>> Robin Gross voted to approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... it says B4A is a legally registered entity
>>> but there is no proof it is not for profit... I imagine this is
>>> an NCUC recruit as I do not recall initiating this contact... if
>>> not for profit status is confirmed, I would approve for NCUC
>>> membership
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. REPAOC
>>>
>>> Robin Gross notes application is incomplete. Did not answer
>>> questions about how funded, etc. and website is all in French
>>> language.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... APPROVE for NPOC membership. Marie-laure
>>> recruited this applicant via Guy Aho Tete Benissan, the ED of
>>> REPAOC. Robin, you may know him via pir.org where he is on the
>>> IAB with Marie-laure et al
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE a network of NGOs in Africa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 6. Sorites Dot Biz
>>>
>>> Robin Gross notes application is incomplete. Did not answer
>>> questions about mission, how funded, etc. and website contains no
>>> content.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... REJECT
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....REJECT. There is nothing on the web site, I
>>> can find no information anywhere about this organization, and it
>>> is registered under a commercial domain (.biz)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. Fondazione Rosselli Americas
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... APPROVE for NPOC membership. I recruited
>>> this applicant through Danilo Piaggesi, its ED and a long time
>>> friend from his time with the Italian government and the
>>> Interamerican Development Bank.
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 8. TaC-Together against Cybercrime International
>>>
>>> Robin Gross notes website content amounts to a total of 5
>>> sentences. Not clear who is behind this, nor how funded. Need
>>> further inquiry.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... given she spoked to Fadi in Budapest and
>>> Fadi referred her to NCSG, we need to complete due diligence
>>> particularely well before we decide which way to go
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....It seems to be a one-person organization,
>>> Julia Morenets, who is associated with Council of Europe. Not
>>> sure it qualifies for NPOC, actually, as I see no operational
>>> activities, but if she wanted to join NCSG as an individual
>>> member I would see no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 9. Movimento Mega Nao
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10. US-Ignite (reconsideration)
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger voted to Approve.... applicant rep claimed in
>>> Toronto that NPOC had rejected this applicant which is not true
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> INDIVIDUALS:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Benjamin Farrand
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Edamwen Anthony
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... same as Milton
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....?? cant find any information. Can I see the
>>> application?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Niel Harper
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE, but note that the URL we were
>>> supplied doesn?t work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. Stefania Milan
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. Staffon Jonson
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller ..... .....?? cant find any information. Can I see
>>> the application?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 6. Denise Brunsdon
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....why does this name link to an ad site? I know
>>> Denise Brunsdon so APPROVE, but who in the heck created this link?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. Walusungu Gondwe
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 8. Tobias Mahler
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger .....need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 9. John Border
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....need more information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10. Sarah Clayton
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....need more information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 11. Anton Permadi
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPOVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 12. Olga Korotvova
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 13. Anthony Nweke
>>>
>>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>>
>>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>>
>>> Rafik Damak .....
>>>
>>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- END ----
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>>>
>>> Robin Gross, Executive Director
>>>
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