[EC-NCSG] pending NCSG membership applications - votes & comments

[Robin Gross]

Dear Alain,

Please do not get offended.  I am sincerely asking for clarification  
because we have a misunderstanding as to what is said and what it means.

I'm simply trying to clarify that this is an NCSG-EC activity -  
reviewing and approving NCSG membership applications, as per the NCSG  
Charter.  This NCSG-EC is not approving NPOC memberships - that is up  
to NPOC to do according to its own procedures.  That is all I am  
saying and hope you are hearing.

Thank you,
Robin


On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Robin,
>
> It means what it says. It is as clear as canadian glacier water!...
>
> Are you assuming there is a consensus on the process? this is not  
> the case... we progressed a bit in Toronto, but did not finish our  
> discussions; we certainly discussed but did not agree to this 2  
> step approach... We decided the NCSG membership application  
> template needs to be redesigned and NPOC and NCUC must come to an  
> agreement.
>
> We at NPOC recruit for NPOC - this is clear - and the NCSG process  
> is a first hoop we have to jump through because of the charter...  
> we comply to the letter, but not great spirit in doing it..., I  
> assure you. I was starting to be comfortable that NPOC could thrive  
> inside NCSG, but now I have my doubts with your remark.
>
> To go forward, let's make sure the fragile relationship we are  
> building is maintained and not jump to the conclusion that NPOC  
> will do whatever the NCSG establishment wishes...
>
> Please, I am mostly interested in growing the NPOC Constituency...  
> can this please make sure this happens in NCSG as we now stand?  
> Please cut us some slack!...
>
> Thanks for your understanding!
>
> Alain
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>  
> wrote:
> Alain,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "approve for NPOC membership".
>
> We are a committee of NCSG members voting to approve applicants to  
> NCSG membership.
>
> Approval for constituency memberships is a separate process that  
> happens after NCSG has accepted them for membership, and is done by  
> the individual constituencies.
>
> So we (NCSG-EC) are not approving anything for NPOC - this is an  
> NCSG activity we are doing on this list.  I hope that clarifies  
> this task.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have added my comments below from memory.... the google docs  
>> link in Robin's originating email is failing me... I have asked  
>> Robin for an alternate url route.... I will revert quickly as soon  
>> as I can access the applications. Thks in advance
>>
>> Alain
>>
>> PS - my name spells Alain Berranger (2 r's)... I have corrected  
>> where necessary...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Milton L Mueller  
>> <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
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>> PENDING NCSG MEMBERSHIP APPLICATIONS
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>> ORGANIZATIONS:
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>> 1.  National Council for Voluntary Organisations
>>
>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Robin Gross voted to approve.
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
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>> 2.  British Red Cross
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>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin Gross has questions as to whether the organization is part  
>> of (or chartered under) governmental authority and not independent  
>> noncommercial civil society organization.  Need further inquiry  
>> and clarification from organization.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....same as Robin
>>
>>  Alain Berranger: seems like a no brainer to me, but I will ask  
>> for clarification
>>
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>> 3.  INTIC4DEV - Institut des TIC pour le d?veloppement
>>
>> Alain Berranger voted to approve for NPOC membership.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin Gross is unable to evaluate the organization (since its  
>> website is in French).  But I notice a bunch of company names of  
>> the website, ex : Microsoft, Cisco, etc. so I wonder if it is  
>> mainly funded by commercial organizations.  Would like further  
>> information and input on commercial ties of organization.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller ..... Tending to approve, however I am unsure. I  
>> have an inquiry out to someone from Togo. The company names come  
>> from the certification programs they run, so there is nothing  
>> wrong there. However, they mention that Alison.com is a partner,  
>> and Alison.com is a for-profit, advertising supported entity that  
>> offers free learning. Alain, can you vouch that they are  
>> nonprofit, or do they sell these training certification programs  
>> for profit, or run on advertising?
>>
>> Alain Berranger - I know Olivier Kouami... He is an ICT4D senior  
>> Consultant in his private practice and heads up this NGO on the  
>> side (A bit like you Robin with your own practice and IPjustice).  
>> He is a volunteer on NPOC's Program Committee and in charge of  
>> facilitating the recruiting NGOs/NFPs in francophone Africa, so he  
>> understands wlll the NFP criteria of NCSG. I will raise your  
>> concerns...
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>> 4.  Bytes for All, Pakistan
>>
>> Robin Gross voted to approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... it says B4A is a legally registered entity  
>> but there is no proof it is not for profit... I imagine this is an  
>> NCUC recruit as I do not recall initiating this contact... if not  
>> for profit status is confirmed, I would approve for NCUC membership
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 5.  REPAOC
>>
>> Robin Gross notes application is incomplete.  Did not answer  
>> questions about how funded, etc. and website is all in French  
>> language.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... APPROVE for NPOC membership. Marie-laure  
>> recruited this applicant via Guy Aho Tete Benissan, the ED of  
>> REPAOC. Robin, you may know him via pir.org where he is on the IAB  
>> with Marie-laure et al
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE a network of NGOs in Africa
>>
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>> 6.  Sorites Dot Biz
>>
>> Robin Gross notes application is incomplete.  Did not answer  
>> questions about mission, how funded, etc. and website contains no  
>> content.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... REJECT
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....REJECT. There is nothing on the web site, I  
>> can find no information anywhere about this organization, and it  
>> is registered under a commercial domain (.biz)
>>
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>> 7.  Fondazione Rosselli Americas
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... APPROVE for NPOC membership. I recruited  
>> this applicant through Danilo Piaggesi, its ED and a long time  
>> friend from his time with the Italian government and the  
>> Interamerican Development Bank.
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
>>
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>> 8.  TaC-Together against Cybercrime International
>>
>> Robin Gross notes website content amounts to a total of 5  
>> sentences.  Not clear who is behind this, nor how funded.  Need  
>> further inquiry.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... given she spoked to Fadi in Budapest and  
>> Fadi referred her to NCSG, we need to complete due diligence  
>> particularely well  before we decide which way to go
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....It seems to be a one-person organization,  
>> Julia Morenets, who is associated with Council of Europe. Not sure  
>> it qualifies for NPOC, actually, as I see no operational  
>> activities, but if she wanted to join NCSG as an individual member  
>> I would see no problem.
>>
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>> 9.  Movimento Mega Nao
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 10. US-Ignite (reconsideration)
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger voted to Approve.... applicant rep claimed in  
>> Toronto that NPOC had rejected this applicant which is not true
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
>>
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>>
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>> INDIVIDUALS:
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>>
>>
>> 1.  Benjamin Farrand
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 2.  Edamwen Anthony
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... same as Milton
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>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....?? cant find any information. Can I see the  
>> application?
>>
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>> 3.  Niel Harper
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
>>
>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE, but note that the URL we were  
>> supplied doesn?t work
>>
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>>
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>> 4.  Stefania Milan
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 5.  Staffon Jonson
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller ..... .....?? cant find any information. Can I see  
>> the application?
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>> 6.  Denise Brunsdon
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....why does this name link to an ad site? I know  
>> Denise Brunsdon so APPROVE, but who in the heck created this link?
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>> 7.  Walusungu Gondwe
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 8.  Tobias Mahler
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger .....need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 9.  John Border
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....need more information
>>
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>> 10.  Sarah Clayton
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....need more information
>>
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>> 11.  Anton Permadi
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPOVE
>>
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>> 12.  Olga Korotvova
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
>>
>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
>>
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>> 13.  Anthony Nweke
>>
>> Robin Gross votes to Approve.
>>
>> Alain Berranger ..... need to see the application
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>> Rafik Damak .....
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>> Milton Mueller .....APPROVE
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