From robin  Wed Aug  1 02:33:43 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:33:43 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from the
	new online form
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From robin  Wed Aug  1 04:21:30 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:21:30 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:

1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.

2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as opposed to a true noncommercial organization. 

3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).

4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG they filed, just submit that).

Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through this group expeditiously.

Best,
Robin



> 
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> Hi Alain,
> 
> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's membership page here so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - will do.
> 
> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.
> 
> Thanks!
> Robin
> 
> On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
> 
>> [?]
>> 
>> These 12 pending applications date back to before the current elected mandate of the NPOC-EC:
>> 
>> AL AWAEL, Education and Learning - Algeria
>> ASCD - United States
>> American Cancer Society (ACS) - United States
>> British Red Cross Society - United Kingdom
>> Center for Youth Empowerment & Leadership (Cyel) - Kenya
>> Child Protection Alliance (CPA) - The Gambia
>> Corporacion Makia Asesoria Internacional - Colombia
>> Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) - United States
>> Information Technology Association of The Gambia - The Gambia
>> Institute de Medicina Tropical Alexader Von Humboldt UPCH - Peru
>> Internet Society Trinidad & Tobago Chapter - Trinidad & Tobago
>> PAK Education Society (PES) / Pakistan Development Network (PDN) - Pakistan
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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From alain.berranger  Wed Aug  1 16:24:24 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:24:24 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
 the new online form
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Thks Robin,

Re GKP Foundation, I will ask Klaus Stoll, the ED, to request the rep
change and confirm when done.

Best, Alain

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Dear NCSG-EC Members:
>
> I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and concerns
> raised about the membership applications we currently have pending from the
> online form.  From what I can tell, here is where we are and what I propose
> we do with each application.
>
> On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve:
> * 1. IC Volunteers*
> * 2. EMERGE*
> * 3. Antwain Thomas*
> * 4. Manoj Khinchi*
> * 5. Madhav Gopal Sharma*
> I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if there is
> no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we accept these new
> members at that time.
>
> A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may
> require some follow-up on our part:
>
> *1. Global Knowledge Partnership*
> RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent this
> organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in NCSG and
> individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization in NCSG at a time.
> --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit the name of someone else to
> represent this organization in NCSG.
>
> *2. Daniel Yakmut*
> MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both as an
> organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual. AB suggests
> he be accepted for one or the other, but not both.
>
> *3. Federal University, Lafia*
> MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both membership
> both as an organization and also as an individual. MM raised concern that
> Daniel is not listed on University website or connected with university in
> any apparent way.
> --> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership, but not
> accept Federal University membership until representative can be verified.
>
> *4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en Derechos
> Humanos*
> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail address.
> AB supplied an org email address for rep.
> --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given the
> updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the week, I
> suggest we accept them.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
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>


-- 
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Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From alain.berranger  Wed Aug  1 16:30:08 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:30:08 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Thks Robin,

Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will now
work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.

Best, Alain


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the
> list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
>
> 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
>
> 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more
> appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as
> opposed to a true noncommercial organization.
>
> 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a
> focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
>
> 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other
> organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they
> should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG
> they filed, just submit that).
>
> Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through
> this group expeditiously.
>
> Best,
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alain,
>>
>> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you
>> joined the EC *(Do you know which ones?)*.  Take a look at the current
>> NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's
>> membership page here<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership> so
>> we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - *will do.*
>>
>> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups
>> yet *(which ones please)*.  If there are applications that were filed
>> and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on
>> this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online
>> form so we can get a NCSG application from them. *With our proposal, we
>> are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I
>> think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.*
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Robin
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
>>
>> [?]
>>
>> These 12 pending applications date back to before the current elected
>> mandate of the NPOC-EC:
>>
>> AL AWAEL, Education and Learning - Algeria
>> ASCD - United States
>> American Cancer Society (ACS) - United States
>> British Red Cross Society - United Kingdom
>> Center for Youth Empowerment & Leadership (Cyel) - Kenya
>> Child Protection Alliance (CPA) - The Gambia
>> Corporacion Makia Asesoria Internacional - Colombia
>> Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) - United States
>> Information Technology Association of The Gambia - The Gambia
>> Institute de Medicina Tropical Alexader Von Humboldt UPCH - Peru
>> Internet Society Trinidad & Tobago Chapter - Trinidad & Tobago
>> PAK Education Society (PES) / Pakistan Development Network (PDN) -
>> Pakistan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
>


-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From mueller  Wed Aug  1 17:19:51 2012
From: mueller (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:19:51 +0000
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG/NPOC membership application from CECADH,
	Costa Rica
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OK with me then!

From: Alain Berranger [mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.com]


1. Marie-laure Lemineur email at CECADH is mlemineur at cecadh.or.cr<mailto:mlemineur at cecadh.or.cr>

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From alain.berranger  Thu Aug  2 00:14:30 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:14:30 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Robin,

A little immediate feedback:

1) ASCD-noted

2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a
"true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy
and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non
commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the
not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory
authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.

3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...

I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to
clear the backlog soonest.

Alain

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Thks Robin,
>
> Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will
> now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robin at ipjustice.org');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the
>> list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
>>
>> 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
>>
>> 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more
>> appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as
>> opposed to a true noncommercial organization.
>>
>> 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of
>> a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
>>
>> 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other
>> organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they
>> should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG
>> they filed, just submit that).
>>
>> Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through
>> this group expeditiously.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robin at ipjustice.org');>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alain,
>>>
>>> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you
>>> joined the EC *(Do you know which ones?)*.  Take a look at the current
>>> NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's
>>> membership page here<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership> so
>>> we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - *will do.*
>>>
>>> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups
>>> yet *(which ones please)*.  If there are applications that were filed
>>> and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on
>>> this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online
>>> form so we can get a NCSG application from them. *With our proposal, we
>>> are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I
>>> think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.*
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
>>>
>>> [?]
>>>
>>> These 12 pending applications date back to before the current elected
>>> mandate of the NPOC-EC:
>>>
>>> AL AWAEL, Education and Learning - Algeria
>>> ASCD - United States
>>> American Cancer Society (ACS) - United States
>>> British Red Cross Society - United Kingdom
>>> Center for Youth Empowerment & Leadership (Cyel) - Kenya
>>> Child Protection Alliance (CPA) - The Gambia
>>> Corporacion Makia Asesoria Internacional - Colombia
>>> Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) - United States
>>> Information Technology Association of The Gambia - The Gambia
>>> Institute de Medicina Tropical Alexader Von Humboldt UPCH - Peru
>>> Internet Society Trinidad & Tobago Chapter - Trinidad & Tobago
>>> PAK Education Society (PES) / Pakistan Development Network (PDN) -
>>> Pakistan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 'EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org');>
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>

-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From mueller  Fri Aug  3 18:03:19 2012
From: mueller (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:03:19 +0000
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Alain,
Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs. non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups. Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG. In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this principle (although there has of course been debates about its application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.

--MM

From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
To: Robin Gross
Cc: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org; npoc at icann.org
Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications

Robin,

A little immediate feedback:

1) ASCD-noted

2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.

3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...

I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to clear the backlog soonest.

Alain

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:
Thks Robin,

Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.

Best, Alain

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'robin at ipjustice.org');>> wrote:
Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:

1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.

2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as opposed to a true noncommercial organization.

3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).

4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG they filed, just submit that).

Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through this group expeditiously.

Best,
Robin





On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'robin at ipjustice.org');>> wrote:
Hi Alain,

Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's membership page here<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership> so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - will do.

And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.

Thanks!
Robin

On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m

[...]

These 12 pending applications date back to before the current elected mandate of the NPOC-EC:

AL AWAEL, Education and Learning - Algeria
ASCD - United States
American Cancer Society (ACS) - United States
British Red Cross Society - United Kingdom
Center for Youth Empowerment & Leadership (Cyel) - Kenya
Child Protection Alliance (CPA) - The Gambia
Corporacion Makia Asesoria Internacional - Colombia
Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) - United States
Information Technology Association of The Gambia - The Gambia
Institute de Medicina Tropical Alexader Von Humboldt UPCH - Peru
Internet Society Trinidad & Tobago Chapter - Trinidad & Tobago
PAK Education Society (PES) / Pakistan Development Network (PDN) - Pakistan






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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca>
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org>
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org>
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
Skype: alain.berranger



--
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca>
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org>
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org>
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
Skype: alain.berranger

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From avri  Fri Aug  3 19:46:42 2012
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:46:42 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Hi,

Just to quote specific chapter and verse:

https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Final+Approved+Current+NCSG+Charter

"
2.2.1. Eligible organizations.

...

4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed of noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)

2.2.2. Ineligible organizations.

The membership of the NCSG specifically excludes:

...

2. Commercial organizations and associations that advocate for the benefit of commercial entities (even if they are non?profit in form);

"

As the one who negotiated the language with the Board and with ICANN Legal staff there was a very clear intent on all our parts to make sure that the differentiation between commercial and non-commercial was made.  We specifically did not depend on the non-profit language since this varies depending on national law, with many countries not even having such a status, while still having non-commercial entities.

Best,

avri

On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:03, Milton L Mueller wrote:

> Alain,
> Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs. non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups. Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG. In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this principle (although there has of course been debates about its application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.
>  
> --MM
>  
> From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
> To: Robin Gross
> Cc: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org; npoc at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
>  
> Robin,
>  
> A little immediate feedback:
>  
> 1) ASCD-noted
>  
> 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
>  
> 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...
>  
> I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to clear the backlog soonest.
>  
> Alain
> 
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:
> Thks Robin,
>  
> Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.
>  
> Best, Alain
>  
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
>  
> 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
>  
> 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as opposed to a true noncommercial organization. 
>  
> 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
>  
> 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG they filed, just submit that).
>  
> Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through this group expeditiously.
>  
> Best,
> Robin
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> Hi Alain,
>  
> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's membership page here so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - will do.
>  
> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.
>  
> Thanks!
> Robin
>  
> On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
>  
> [?]
>  
> These 12 pending applications date back to before the current elected mandate of the NPOC-EC:
>  
> AL AWAEL, Education and Learning - Algeria
> ASCD - United States
> American Cancer Society (ACS) - United States
> British Red Cross Society - United Kingdom
> Center for Youth Empowerment & Leadership (Cyel) - Kenya
> Child Protection Alliance (CPA) - The Gambia
> Corporacion Makia Asesoria Internacional - Colombia
> Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) - United States
> Information Technology Association of The Gambia - The Gambia
> Institute de Medicina Tropical Alexader Von Humboldt UPCH - Peru
> Internet Society Trinidad & Tobago Chapter - Trinidad & Tobago
> PAK Education Society (PES) / Pakistan Development Network (PDN) - Pakistan
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
> 
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>  
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg




From alain.berranger  Fri Aug  3 22:21:09 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:21:09 -0500
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Milton,

Noted but not agreed. I don't see any value in further discussions. Please
not NPOC had no input in the NCSG charter.

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Milton L Mueller wrote:

>  Alain,****
>
> Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs.
> non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association
> of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as
> non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade
> associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups.
> Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG.
> In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization
> be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this
> principle (although there has of course been debates about its
> application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.****
>
> ** **
>
> --MM****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org');> [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org');>]
> *On Behalf Of *Alain Berranger
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
> *To:* Robin Gross
> *Cc:* ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org');>; npoc at icann.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'npoc at icann.org');>
> *Subject:* Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin,****
>
> ** **
>
> A little immediate feedback:****
>
> ** **
>
> 1) ASCD-noted****
>
> ** **
>
> 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a
> "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy
> and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non
> commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the
> not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory
> authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...****
>
> ** **
>
> I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to
> clear the backlog soonest.****
>
> ** **
>
> Alain
>
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:****
>
> Thks Robin,****
>
> ** **
>
> Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will
> now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Best, Alain****
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the
> list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:****
>
> ** **
>
> 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.****
>
> ** **
>
> 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more
> appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as
> opposed to a true noncommercial organization. ****
>
> ** **
>
> 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a
> focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).****
>
> ** **
>
> 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other
> organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they
> should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG
> they filed, just submit that).****
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through
> this group expeditiously.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best,****
>
> Robin****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Hi Alain,****
>
> ** **
>
> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you
> joined the EC *(Do you know which ones?)*.  Take a look at the current
> NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's
> membership page here<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership> so
> we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - *will do.****
> *
>
> ** **
>
> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups
> yet *(which ones please)*.  If there are applications that were filed and
> not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on
> this email list where applications go) or
>


-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
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From alain.berranger  Fri Aug  3 22:23:51 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:23:51 -0500
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Dear Avri,

NPOC never had any input into NCSG charter.

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just to quote specific chapter and verse:
>
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Final+Approved+Current+NCSG+Charter
>
> "
> 2.2.1. Eligible organizations.
>
> ...
>
> 4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization should
> not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily noncommercial
> focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed of
> noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a
> noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial
> members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a
> commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)
>
> 2.2.2. Ineligible organizations.
>
> The membership of the NCSG specifically excludes:
>
> ...
>
> 2. Commercial organizations and associations that advocate for the benefit
> of commercial entities (even if they are non-profit in form);
>
> "
>
> As the one who negotiated the language with the Board and with ICANN Legal
> staff there was a very clear intent on all our parts to make sure that the
> differentiation between commercial and non-commercial was made.  We
> specifically did not depend on the non-profit language since this varies
> depending on national law, with many countries not even having such a
> status, while still having non-commercial entities.
>
> Best,
>
> avri
>
> On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:03, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
> > Alain,
> > Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs.
> non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association
> of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as
> non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade
> associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups.
> Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG.
> In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization
> be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this
> principle (although there has of course been debates about its
> application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.
> >
> > --MM
> >
> > From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:
> ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
> > To: Robin Gross
> > Cc: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org; npoc at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
> >
> > Robin,
> >
> > A little immediate feedback:
> >
> > 1) ASCD-noted
> >
> > 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a
> "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy
> and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non
> commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the
> not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory
> authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
> >
> > 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...
> >
> > I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to
> clear the backlog soonest.
> >
> > Alain
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:
> > Thks Robin,
> >
> > Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will
> now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.
> >
> > Best, Alain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> wrote:
> > Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the
> list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
> >
> > 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
> >
> > 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more
> appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as
> opposed to a true noncommercial organization.
> >
> > 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of
> a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
> >
> > 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other
> organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they
> should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG
> they filed, just submit that).
> >
> > Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through
> this group expeditiously.
> >
> > Best,
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi Alain,
> >
> > Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you
> joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG
> membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's
> membership page here so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already
> accepted - will do.
> >
> > And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups
> yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not
> addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this
> email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so
> we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying
> to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this
> proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Robin
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > These 12 pending appl



-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
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From avri  Fri Aug  3 23:06:55 2012
From: avri (Avri Doria)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:06:55 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Hi,

I beg to differ: it is _not_ the case that NPOC had no say in the charter.

Not only were Debbie and Amber on the NCSG EC the entire time it was discussed, they participated in discussions.  How much they took back to the NPOC, I do not know as you did not have an open email list at this time.

Also, there were discussions with Debbie, Amber, other members of the NCSG-EC, ICANN legal staff, Rob from Policy Staff and the Board on the charter, on open issues in the charter, on the agreements of the charter and the agreement that the two charters (NCSG and NPOC) would go through the agreement process together, just to make sure no one felt left behind or not included.

And finally, many NPOC members had been accepted and were listed as voters during the vote to approve the charter.  I do not remember how many bothered to vote and of course do not know how they voted, but many had the opportunity to vote for or against.

So you may not like the fact that the NCSG excludes non-commercial actors, but it was discussed and your leadership participated in those discussions.


avri


On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:23, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Dear Avri,
> 
> NPOC never had any input into NCSG charter.
> 
> On Friday, August 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just to quote specific chapter and verse:
> 
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Final+Approved+Current+NCSG+Charter
> 
> "
> 2.2.1. Eligible organizations.
> 
> ...
> 
> 4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed of noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)
> 
> 2.2.2. Ineligible organizations.
> 
> The membership of the NCSG specifically excludes:
> 
> ...
> 
> 2. Commercial organizations and associations that advocate for the benefit of commercial entities (even if they are non?profit in form);
> 
> "
> 
> As the one who negotiated the language with the Board and with ICANN Legal staff there was a very clear intent on all our parts to make sure that the differentiation between commercial and non-commercial was made.  We specifically did not depend on the non-profit language since this varies depending on national law, with many countries not even having such a status, while still having non-commercial entities.
> 
> Best,
> 
> avri
> 
> On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:03, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> 
> > Alain,
> > Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs. non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups. Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG. In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this principle (although there has of course been debates about its application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.
> >
> > --MM
> >
> > From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
> > To: Robin Gross
> > Cc: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org; npoc at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
> >
> > Robin,
> >
> > A little immediate feedback:
> >
> > 1) ASCD-noted
> >
> > 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
> >
> > 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...
> >
> > I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to clear the backlog soonest.
> >
> > Alain
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:
> > Thks Robin,
> >
> > Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.
> >
> > Best, Alain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> > Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
> >
> > 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
> >
> > 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as opposed to a true noncommercial organization.
> >
> > 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
> >
> > 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG they filed, just submit that).
> >
> > Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through this group expeditiously.
> >
> > Best,
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> > Hi Alain,
> >
> > Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's membership page here so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - will do.
> >
> > And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Robin
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
> >
> > [?]
> >
> > These 12 pending appl
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
> 




From robin  Fri Aug  3 23:59:44 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:59:44 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
In-Reply-To: <74F3305A-F1A6-48A1-8B42-659CED709FCD@acm.org>
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Alain,

You are simply wrong to say NPOC had no say in the NCSG Charter.  Please be more careful about making uninformed statements and wild accusations in the future.

NPOC's representative in these NCSG Charter negotiations, Debbie Hughes, did ask for some changes to the NCSG Charter, and they were accommodated in the charter.

But no one has suggested commercial players should be allowed into NCSG - until you now.

Robin


On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I beg to differ: it is _not_ the case that NPOC had no say in the charter.
> 
> Not only were Debbie and Amber on the NCSG EC the entire time it was discussed, they participated in discussions.  How much they took back to the NPOC, I do not know as you did not have an open email list at this time.
> 
> Also, there were discussions with Debbie, Amber, other members of the NCSG-EC, ICANN legal staff, Rob from Policy Staff and the Board on the charter, on open issues in the charter, on the agreements of the charter and the agreement that the two charters (NCSG and NPOC) would go through the agreement process together, just to make sure no one felt left behind or not included.
> 
> And finally, many NPOC members had been accepted and were listed as voters during the vote to approve the charter.  I do not remember how many bothered to vote and of course do not know how they voted, but many had the opportunity to vote for or against.
> 
> So you may not like the fact that the NCSG excludes non-commercial actors, but it was discussed and your leadership participated in those discussions.
> 
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 3 Aug 2012, at 15:23, Alain Berranger wrote:
> 
>> Dear Avri,
>> 
>> NPOC never had any input into NCSG charter.
>> 
>> On Friday, August 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to quote specific chapter and verse:
>> 
>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Final+Approved+Current+NCSG+Charter
>> 
>> "
>> 2.2.1. Eligible organizations.
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> 4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed of noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)
>> 
>> 2.2.2. Ineligible organizations.
>> 
>> The membership of the NCSG specifically excludes:
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> 2. Commercial organizations and associations that advocate for the benefit of commercial entities (even if they are non?profit in form);
>> 
>> "
>> 
>> As the one who negotiated the language with the Board and with ICANN Legal staff there was a very clear intent on all our parts to make sure that the differentiation between commercial and non-commercial was made.  We specifically did not depend on the non-profit language since this varies depending on national law, with many countries not even having such a status, while still having non-commercial entities.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:03, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>> 
>>> Alain,
>>> Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs. non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups. Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG. In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this principle (although there has of course been debates about its application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.
>>> 
>>> --MM
>>> 
>>> From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
>>> To: Robin Gross
>>> Cc: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org; npoc at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
>>> 
>>> Robin,
>>> 
>>> A little immediate feedback:
>>> 
>>> 1) ASCD-noted
>>> 
>>> 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
>>> 
>>> 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...
>>> 
>>> I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to clear the backlog soonest.
>>> 
>>> Alain
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:
>>> Thks Robin,
>>> 
>>> Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.
>>> 
>>> Best, Alain
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>> Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
>>> 
>>> 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
>>> 
>>> 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as opposed to a true noncommercial organization.
>>> 
>>> 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
>>> 
>>> 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG they filed, just submit that).
>>> 
>>> Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through this group expeditiously.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Alain,
>>> 
>>> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's membership page here so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - will do.
>>> 
>>> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
>>> 
>>> [?]
>>> 
>>> These 12 pending appl
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
>> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
>> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>> Skype: alain.berranger
>> 
> 
> 
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From mueller  Sat Aug  4 16:55:47 2012
From: mueller (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:55:47 +0000
Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
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Alain,
Try to be reasonable. Do you really think the RIAA or American Petroleum Institute should be eligible for NCSG?
If you don't see any value in further discussion exactly how do you propose to resolve this?
Also, it is not true that NPOC had no role in the approval of the NCSG charter. The charter had to be acceptable by NPOC's head (Debbie, at the time) before it was approved by staff and board.

--MM


Noted but not agreed. I don't see any value in further discussions. Please not NPOC had no input in the NCSG charter.



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From robin  Mon Aug  6 21:03:27 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:03:27 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] annual check-in process to begin
Message-ID: <56B9F65F-62E8-44B1-A5E1-E8BD3E53CF11@ipjustice.org>


As per the NCSG Charter requirements, below is the schedule for the  
fall NCSG elections.

Members can begin "checking-in" as of today to make sure ballots will  
be sent to the right email address for each member.

I'll send a note today to the NCSG members list also informing all  
members to be on the look out for the the email check-in and to start  
thinking about their nominations.



NCSG Election Schedule:				Check-In Schedule:
										Aug. 6 : Annual check-in begins (chair emails members)
Aug. 10 : Open Nominations
Aug. 20 : Close Nominations				Aug. 20 : Deadline for member check-in
Aug. 26 : Nominees make Public Stmts
Aug. 27 : Prepare Ballot					Aug. 27 : Deadline for contact via other  
means
										Aug. 28 : Publish Final Voter List
Sept. 4 : Begin Voting
Sept. 18 : Close Voting
Sept. 20 : Announce Election Results






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From rafik.dammak  Tue Aug  7 07:30:04 2012
From: rafik.dammak (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:30:04 +0900
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
 the new online form
In-Reply-To: <F0303ABA-5B79-42B6-A36B-22E4434807F1@IPJUSTICE.ORG>
References: <F0303ABA-5B79-42B6-A36B-22E4434807F1@IPJUSTICE.ORG>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnLYLj7SPxPVwfZxF3cu2+FhAm3tzxX9rMj0tuXqd7d9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Robin,

I would like to ask for clarification  for the case of GKP because I saw in
the organizations membership, they have Microsoft, alcatel-lucent, european
commission, world bank, nokia-siemens network, understanding that GKP is
trying to reform itself , are they still members or not?and what is the
membership composition of  GKP?

Best

Rafik


2012/8/1 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>

> Dear NCSG-EC Members:
>
> I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and concerns
> raised about the membership applications we currently have pending from the
> online form.  From what I can tell, here is where we are and what I propose
> we do with each application.
>
> On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve:
> * 1. IC Volunteers*
> * 2. EMERGE*
> * 3. Antwain Thomas*
> * 4. Manoj Khinchi*
> * 5. Madhav Gopal Sharma*
> I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if there is
> no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we accept these new
> members at that time.
>
> A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may
> require some follow-up on our part:
>
> *1. Global Knowledge Partnership*
> RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent this
> organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in NCSG and
> individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization in NCSG at a time.
> --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit the name of someone else to
> represent this organization in NCSG.
>
> *2. Daniel Yakmut*
> MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both as an
> organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual. AB suggests
> he be accepted for one or the other, but not both.
>
> *3. Federal University, Lafia*
> MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both membership
> both as an organization and also as an individual. MM raised concern that
> Daniel is not listed on University website or connected with university in
> any apparent way.
>  --> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership, but not
> accept Federal University membership until representative can be verified.
>
> *4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en Derechos
> Humanos*
> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail address.
> AB supplied an org email address for rep.
>  --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given the
> updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the week, I
> suggest we accept them.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
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From robin  Wed Aug  8 03:28:03 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:28:03 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with pending membership applications from the
	new online form
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Having heard no further objections on this list to accepting  
Asociacion Centro de Estudios as members into NCSG, I'll let the  
organization know that their membership application is accepted.   
Thank you.

Best,
Robin

[...]
>
> 4.  Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en  
> Derechos Humanos
> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail  
> address.  AB supplied an org email address for rep.
>  --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given  
> the updated information.  Unless anyone objects by the end of the  
> week, I suggest we accept them.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>



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From robin  Sun Aug 12 21:22:57 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:22:57 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new ncsg membership applications to review
Message-ID: <0CC8922C-4018-42BD-BB29-B2A1F36D6F64@ipjustice.org>

Dear EC Members:

Please note that we have two new membership applications in the  
shared Google docs folder.  The applications are from the National  
Council for Voluntary Organizations and the British Red Cross.   
Please have a look and conduct your due diligence when you have a  
moment.  As always, please use this list for any discussion and  
voting on their approval.

Thank you,
Robin


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From alain.berranger  Mon Aug 13 16:52:47 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:52:47 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
 the new online form
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Hi Rafik,

I have asked Klaus to answer your request for clarification and question -
I do not know the current situation exactly, but you are right about a
restructuration going on at GKPF - we went from a network (GKP) to a
foundation (GKPF) structure a couple of years back. Generally speaking,
GKPF is a MS and NFP organization, with a large majority of the membership
being from civil society. In the past WB and MS were donors to GKP but not
recently to GKPF.

Best, Alain

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Robin,
>
> I would like to ask for clarification  for the case of GKP because I saw
> in the organizations membership, they have Microsoft, alcatel-lucent,
> european commission, world bank, nokia-siemens network, understanding that
> GKP is trying to reform itself , are they still members or not?and what is
> the membership composition of  GKP?
>
> Best
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2012/8/1 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>
>> Dear NCSG-EC Members:
>>
>> I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and concerns
>> raised about the membership applications we currently have pending from the
>> online form.  From what I can tell, here is where we are and what I propose
>> we do with each application.
>>
>> On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve:
>> * 1. IC Volunteers*
>> * 2. EMERGE*
>> * 3. Antwain Thomas*
>> * 4. Manoj Khinchi*
>> * 5. Madhav Gopal Sharma*
>> I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if there is
>> no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we accept these new
>> members at that time.
>>
>> A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may
>> require some follow-up on our part:
>>
>> *1. Global Knowledge Partnership*
>> RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent this
>> organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in NCSG and
>> individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization in NCSG at a time.
>> --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit the name of someone else to
>> represent this organization in NCSG.
>>
>> *2. Daniel Yakmut*
>> MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both as an
>> organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual. AB suggests
>> he be accepted for one or the other, but not both.
>>
>> *3. Federal University, Lafia*
>> MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both membership
>> both as an organization and also as an individual. MM raised concern that
>> Daniel is not listed on University website or connected with university in
>> any apparent way.
>>  --> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership, but
>> not accept Federal University membership until representative can be
>> verified.
>>
>> *4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en Derechos
>> Humanos*
>> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail address.
>> AB supplied an org email address for rep.
>>  --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given the
>> updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the week, I
>> suggest we accept them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EC-NCSG mailing list
>> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EC-NCSG mailing list
> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>
>


-- 
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Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From alain.berranger  Mon Aug 13 17:44:58 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:44:58 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
 the new online form
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References: <F0303ABA-5B79-42B6-A36B-22E4434807F1@IPJUSTICE.ORG>
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Hi All, here is the response to Rafik from Klaus:

Klaus, as ED of GKPF, confirms the validity of my earlier response. He adds:

* "GKPF is undergoing a membership reform, but it should be stated clearly
that GKPF is a multi stakeholder organization and has and  always will
engage private and governmental sector members, besides civil society
members, in the spirit of multi sector partnerships. It is expected that a
majority of GKPF members will continue to be from civil society"*
*
*
Klaus, can you please send in the names of the principal (and alternate)
rep to replace Caroline Figueres, if you have not already done so? You had
mentioned Andrei Barburas as principal? or as alternate? who is the other
rep? I will pass on to NCSG-EC.

Best, Alain

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Alain Berranger
<alain.berranger at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Rafik,
>
> I have asked Klaus to answer your request for clarification and question -
> I do not know the current situation exactly, but you are right about a
> restructuration going on at GKPF - we went from a network (GKP) to a
> foundation (GKPF) structure a couple of years back. Generally speaking,
> GKPF is a MS and NFP organization, with a large majority of the membership
> being from civil society. In the past WB and MS were donors to GKP but not
> recently to GKPF.
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> I would like to ask for clarification  for the case of GKP because I saw
>> in the organizations membership, they have Microsoft, alcatel-lucent,
>> european commission, world bank, nokia-siemens network, understanding that
>> GKP is trying to reform itself , are they still members or not?and what is
>> the membership composition of  GKP?
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2012/8/1 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>>
>>>  Dear NCSG-EC Members:
>>>
>>> I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and concerns
>>> raised about the membership applications we currently have pending from the
>>> online form.  From what I can tell, here is where we are and what I propose
>>> we do with each application.
>>>
>>> On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve:
>>> * 1. IC Volunteers*
>>> * 2. EMERGE*
>>> * 3. Antwain Thomas*
>>> * 4. Manoj Khinchi*
>>> * 5. Madhav Gopal Sharma*
>>> I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if there is
>>> no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we accept these new
>>> members at that time.
>>>
>>> A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may
>>> require some follow-up on our part:
>>>
>>> *1. Global Knowledge Partnership*
>>> RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent this
>>> organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in NCSG and
>>> individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization in NCSG at a time.
>>> --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit the name of someone else to
>>> represent this organization in NCSG.
>>>
>>> *2. Daniel Yakmut*
>>> MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both as an
>>> organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual. AB suggests
>>> he be accepted for one or the other, but not both.
>>>
>>> *3. Federal University, Lafia*
>>> MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both membership
>>> both as an organization and also as an individual. MM raised concern that
>>> Daniel is not listed on University website or connected with university in
>>> any apparent way.
>>>  --> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership, but
>>> not accept Federal University membership until representative can be
>>> verified.
>>>
>>> *4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en Derechos
>>> Humanos*
>>> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail
>>> address. AB supplied an org email address for rep.
>>>  --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given the
>>> updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the week, I
>>> suggest we accept them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EC-NCSG mailing list
>>> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EC-NCSG mailing list
>> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>


-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
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From alain.berranger  Mon Aug 13 17:55:44 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:55:44 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: GKPF/NPOC membership
In-Reply-To: <F596046F1C3041FF8EABDDFEA2D16505@KlausPC>
References: <F596046F1C3041FF8EABDDFEA2D16505@KlausPC>
Message-ID: <CANgs+Ss6ZJN5sOpDh_ELL4ZDB2Was02rcXoxrvaS1v9PKkuo=A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

FYI, Andrei Barburas will be the principal rep to NCSG/NPOC for IICD. As
soon as GKPF indicates the name of an alternate, I will share.

Best, Alain



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>
Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Subject: GKPF/NPOC membership
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
Cc: Andrei Barburas <abarburas at iicd.org>


  Dear Alain

I have noted the recent observation on the GKPF membership application for
NPOC. I hereby name Mr. Andrei Barburas, (abarburas at iicd.org), as the GKPF
representative for NPOC, replacing the nomination of Caroline Figueres.

In the hope that this will address the objections.

Yours

Klaus



-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From director-general  Mon Aug 13 19:53:36 2012
From: director-general (Dorothy K. Gordon)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:53:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
 the new online form
In-Reply-To: <CANgs+SuJnTCGjYur7eRHvxB0ed8S8g4fCwhOHRAvkjsRVW7T3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23626637.68451344876816059.JavaMail.root@mail.aiti-kace.com.gh>

I suggest they give a full list of the membership indicating affiliation and we use the same process for all groups with major commercial representation among their membership. Thanks

Dorothy K. Gordon
Director-General
Ghana-India Kofi Annan Centre of Excellence in ICT
Mobile: 233 265005712
Direct Line: 233 302 683579
Website: www.aiti-kace.com.gh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alain Berranger" <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
To: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Cc: "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>, ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org
Sent: Monday, 13 August, 2012 2:44:58 PM GMT +00:00 Casablanca / Monrovia
Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from the new online form


Hi All, here is the response to Rafik from Klaus: 


Klaus, as ED of GKPF, confirms the validity of my earlier response. He adds: 


"GKPF is undergoing a membership reform, but it should be stated clearly that GKPF is a multi stakeholder organization and has and always will engage private and governmental sector members, besides civil society members, in the spirit of multi sector partnerships. It is expected that a majority of GKPF members will continue to be from civil society" 


Klaus, can you please send in the names of the principal (and alternate) rep to replace Caroline Figueres, if you have not already done so? You had mentioned Andrei Barburas as principal? or as alternate? who is the other rep? I will pass on to NCSG-EC. 


Best, Alain 


On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Alain Berranger < alain.berranger at gmail.com > wrote: 


Hi Rafik, 


I have asked Klaus to answer your request for clarification and question - I do not know the current situation exactly, but you are right about a restructuration going on at GKPF - we went from a network (GKP) to a foundation (GKPF) structure a couple of years back. Generally speaking, GKPF is a MS and NFP organization, with a large majority of the membership being from civil society. In the past WB and MS were donors to GKP but not recently to GKPF. 


Best, Alain 




On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Rafik Dammak < rafik.dammak at gmail.com > wrote: 



Hi Robin, 


I would like to ask for clarification for the case of GKP because I saw in the organizations membership, they have Microsoft, alcatel-lucent, european commission, world bank, nokia-siemens network, understanding that GKP is trying to reform itself , are they still members or not?and what is the membership composition of GKP? 


Best 


Rafik 


2012/8/1 Robin Gross < robin at ipjustice.org > 





Dear NCSG-EC Members: 


I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and concerns raised about the membership applications we currently have pending from the online form. From what I can tell, here is where we are and what I propose we do with each application. 


On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve: 
1. IC Volunteers 
2. EMERGE 
3. Antwain Thomas 
4. Manoj Khinchi 
5. Madhav Gopal Sharma 
I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if there is no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we accept these new members at that time. 


A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may require some follow-up on our part: 


1. Global Knowledge Partnership 
RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent this organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in NCSG and individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization in NCSG at a time. --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit the name of someone else to represent this organization in NCSG. 


2. Daniel Yakmut 
MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both as an organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual. AB suggests he be accepted for one or the other, but not both. 


3. Federal University, Lafia 
MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both membership both as an organization and also as an individual. MM raised concern that Daniel is not listed on University website or connected with university in any apparent way. 
--> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership, but not accept Federal University membership until representative can be verified. 


4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en Derechos Humanos 
MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail address. AB supplied an org email address for rep. 
--> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given the updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the week, I suggest we accept them. 


Thanks, 
Robin 

_______________________________________________ 
EC-NCSG mailing list 
EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org 
http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg 



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EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org 
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-- 
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Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca 

Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca 
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org 
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org 
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ 
O: +1 514 484 7824 ; M: +1 514 704 7824 
Skype: alain.berranger 





-- 
Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA 
Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca 

Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca 
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org 
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org 
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/ 
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824 
Skype: alain.berranger 


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From robin  Tue Aug 14 00:54:45 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:54:45 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: GKPF/NPOC membership
In-Reply-To: <CANgs+Ss6ZJN5sOpDh_ELL4ZDB2Was02rcXoxrvaS1v9PKkuo=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F596046F1C3041FF8EABDDFEA2D16505@KlausPC>
	<CANgs+Ss6ZJN5sOpDh_ELL4ZDB2Was02rcXoxrvaS1v9PKkuo=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7555197A-96E0-4512-830B-F0F66BF51403@ipjustice.org>

Hi Alain,

Would you please clarify that for me?  Will Andrei Barburas be the  
official representative IICD or GKPF?

Thank you,
Robin

On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> FYI, Andrei Barburas will be the principal rep to NCSG/NPOC for  
> IICD. As soon as GKPF indicates the name of an alternate, I will  
> share.
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>
> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM
> Subject: GKPF/NPOC membership
> To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
> Cc: Andrei Barburas <abarburas at iicd.org>
>
>
> Dear Alain
>
> I have noted the recent observation on the GKPF membership  
> application for NPOC. I hereby name Mr. Andrei Barburas,  
> (abarburas at iicd.org), as the GKPF representative for NPOC,  
> replacing the nomination of Caroline Figueres.
>
> In the hope that this will address the objections.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
> www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
> www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
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From alain.berranger  Wed Aug 15 00:06:56 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:06:56 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: GKPF/NPOC membership
In-Reply-To: <7555197A-96E0-4512-830B-F0F66BF51403@ipjustice.org>
References: <F596046F1C3041FF8EABDDFEA2D16505@KlausPC>
	<CANgs+Ss6ZJN5sOpDh_ELL4ZDB2Was02rcXoxrvaS1v9PKkuo=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<7555197A-96E0-4512-830B-F0F66BF51403@ipjustice.org>
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Hi Robin,

I understand that Andrei will be official representative of GKPF and
Caroline will remain official rep for IICD. Klaus, Andrei, please confirm.

Robin, thks for making the time for NPOC monthly call today.

Cheersw, Alain

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Hi Alain,
>
> Would you please clarify that for me?  Will Andrei Barburas be the
> official representative IICD or GKPF?
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> FYI, Andrei Barburas will be the principal rep to NCSG/NPOC for IICD. As
> soon as GKPF indicates the name of an alternate, I will share.
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>
> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM
> Subject: GKPF/NPOC membership
> To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
> Cc: Andrei Barburas <abarburas at iicd.org>
>
>
>   Dear Alain
>
> I have noted the recent observation on the GKPF membership application for
> NPOC. I hereby name Mr. Andrei Barburas, (abarburas at iicd.org), as the
> GKPF representative for NPOC, replacing the nomination of Caroline Figueres.
>
> In the hope that this will address the objections.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> --
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
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Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
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From alain.berranger  Thu Aug 16 20:36:43 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:36:43 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new ncsg membership applications to review
In-Reply-To: <0CC8922C-4018-42BD-BB29-B2A1F36D6F64@ipjustice.org>
References: <0CC8922C-4018-42BD-BB29-B2A1F36D6F64@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <CANgs+StTkpoMSMbDMg22cRXrPGc6iW4GbaTg=psFYYxOGcCbFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

I approve both organizations for NCSG and NPOC memberships.

Best, Alain

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Dear EC Members:
>
> Please note that we have two new membership applications in the shared
> Google docs folder.  The applications are from the National Council for
> Voluntary Organizations and the British Red Cross.  Please have a look and
> conduct your due diligence when you have a moment.  As always, please use
> this list for any discussion and voting on their approval.
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
>
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Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From alain.berranger  Thu Aug 16 20:50:29 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:50:29 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG membership resgistration
In-Reply-To: <635559D3CE624FBDBCF9DD8ED2B010A7@KlausPC>
References: <635559D3CE624FBDBCF9DD8ED2B010A7@KlausPC>
Message-ID: <CANgs+SudU-v0sfwxRgnvFozurkRYHyLqVzckytMa+Bg1aQjDvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Klaus,

Brenden, could you simply make the entire online form also available as a
word and/or pdf document? NCUC and NPOC could add them to their
websites. Meanwhile, it is very important for NCSG and NPOC to welcome the
TNC into its memberships, so maybe the forms could be sent to them right
away.

Robin, on the funding question, since there is no consensus on NCSG-EC, and
as it may be illegal (there is some early but informal indications from
some ICANN staff that it may just be), I'm of the opinion that it should be
removed from the form, until we have a consensus and/or go through a
dispute resolution/ombusdman process like for the 3 members currently under
dispute. NCSG-EC should probably seek an opinion from ICANN legal folks and
I have blind-copied NCSG-EC for the perusal of our other colleagues not on
this email stream.

Best, Alain



On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org
> wrote:

> Dear Friends
>
> Greetings and I hope this email finds you well. Please see the email I
> received yesterday about the NCSG membership registration form. Please
> advice how this problem can be addressed.
>
> I also want to note that the "How the organizations are funded" question
> is still included in the form and I want to reiterate that NPOC sees this
> question a illegitimate and we will continue NPOC potential members to
> ignore it.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Louis Ecochard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: Klaus Stoll
> Subject: Re: Jean Louis? contact information
>
> Dear Klaus,
>
> This new n=online application (the older one was a word documents) makes
> it extremely difficult for a large NGO to join as we require internal
> legal approval and thus need to see the entire document ahead of time.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Louis
>
>
>
> On 8/15/12 11:14 AM, "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org**>
> wrote:
>
>  Dear Friends
>>
>> The NCSG membership form can be found at
>>
>> https://community.icann.org/**display/gnsononcomstake/**
>> Membership+Application<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership+Application>
>>
>> Please make sure that on the second page you opt for NPOC and not NCUC.
>>
>> If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to ask.
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>
>


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Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From robin  Fri Aug 17 02:43:27 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:43:27 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: GKPF/NPOC membership
In-Reply-To: <CALZ4X4N=kYJEpd==Kggz6xu9iiv622T4qOqic+1g9d3YV6EAhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F596046F1C3041FF8EABDDFEA2D16505@KlausPC>
	<CANgs+Ss6ZJN5sOpDh_ELL4ZDB2Was02rcXoxrvaS1v9PKkuo=A@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the confirmation, Andrei.  The records will reflect that  
Caroline remains official rep for IICD and that Andrei will be the  
new rep for GKPF.

Best,
Robin

On Aug 15, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Andrei Barburas wrote:

> As far as I understood and as far as I was informed, I will be the  
> representative of GKPF (unless the situation changed and I am  
> unaware).
>
> But unless otherwise stated by Klaus, I confirm.
>
> Klaus, could you please confirm?
>
> PS: My email was rejected by the "ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org". That's  
> why I am sending it again. If you received it twice, please accept  
> my apologies.
>
>
> Andrei Barburas
> Community Relations Services Officer
>
> International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD)
> P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands
>
> Mobile: +31 62 928 2879
> Phone: +31 70 311 7311
> Fax: +31 70 311 7322
> Website: www.iicd.org
>
> People   ICT   Development
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Alain Berranger  
> <alain.berranger at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robin,
>
> I understand that Andrei will be official representative of GKPF  
> and Caroline will remain official rep for IICD. Klaus, Andrei,  
> please confirm.
>
> Robin, thks for making the time for NPOC monthly call today.
>
> Cheersw, Alain
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>  
> wrote:
> Hi Alain,
>
> Would you please clarify that for me?  Will Andrei Barburas be the  
> official representative IICD or GKPF?
>
> Thank you,
> Robin
>
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> FYI, Andrei Barburas will be the principal rep to NCSG/NPOC for  
>> IICD. As soon as GKPF indicates the name of an alternate, I will  
>> share.
>>
>> Best, Alain
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>
>> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM
>> Subject: GKPF/NPOC membership
>> To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Andrei Barburas <abarburas at iicd.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear Alain
>>
>> I have noted the recent observation on the GKPF membership  
>> application for NPOC. I hereby name Mr. Andrei Barburas,  
>> (abarburas at iicd.org), as the GKPF representative for NPOC,  
>> replacing the nomination of Caroline Figueres.
>>
>> In the hope that this will address the objections.
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
>> www.schulich.yorku.ca
>> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
>> www.gkpfoundation.org
>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
>> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>> Skype: alain.berranger
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>
>
>
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>
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> -- 
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> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
> www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
> www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>




IP JUSTICE
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From mueller  Fri Aug 17 17:08:12 2012
From: mueller (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: GKPF/NPOC membership
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Welcome, Andrei!

From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Robin Gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:43 PM
To: Andrei Barburas
Cc: Klaus Stoll; ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org
Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: GKPF/NPOC membership

Thanks for the confirmation, Andrei.  The records will reflect that Caroline remains official rep for IICD and that Andrei will be the new rep for GKPF.

Best,
Robin

On Aug 15, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Andrei Barburas wrote:


As far as I understood and as far as I was informed, I will be the representative of GKPF (unless the situation changed and I am unaware).

But unless otherwise stated by Klaus, I confirm.

Klaus, could you please confirm?

PS: My email was rejected by the "ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org>". That's why I am sending it again. If you received it twice, please accept my apologies.


Andrei Barburas
Community Relations Services Officer


International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD)
P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands

Mobile: +31 62 928 2879
Phone: +31 70 311 7311
Fax: +31 70 311 7322
Website: www.iicd.org<http://www.iicd.org/>


People   ICT   Development


On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Robin,

I understand that Andrei will be official representative of GKPF and Caroline will remain official rep for IICD. Klaus, Andrei, please confirm.

Robin, thks for making the time for NPOC monthly call today.

Cheersw, Alain

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
Hi Alain,

Would you please clarify that for me?  Will Andrei Barburas be the official representative IICD or GKPF?

Thank you,
Robin

On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

FYI, Andrei Barburas will be the principal rep to NCSG/NPOC for IICD. As soon as GKPF indicates the name of an alternate, I will share.

Best, Alain


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Klaus Stoll <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org<mailto:klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>>
Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Subject: GKPF/NPOC membership
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.com>>
Cc: Andrei Barburas <abarburas at iicd.org<mailto:abarburas at iicd.org>>

Dear Alain

I have noted the recent observation on the GKPF membership application for NPOC. I hereby name Mr. Andrei Barburas, (abarburas at iicd.org<mailto:abarburas at iicd.org>), as the GKPF representative for NPOC, replacing the nomination of Caroline Figueres.

In the hope that this will address the objections.

Yours

Klaus



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Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca>
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org>
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org>
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
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--
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Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca>
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org>
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org>
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824<tel:%2B1%20514%20484%207824>; M:+1 514 704 7824<tel:%2B1%20514%20704%207824>
Skype: alain.berranger





IP JUSTICE
Robin Gross, Executive Director
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From robin  Fri Aug 17 21:44:57 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:44:57 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
	the new online form
In-Reply-To: <23626637.68451344876816059.JavaMail.root@mail.aiti-kace.com.gh>
References: <23626637.68451344876816059.JavaMail.root@mail.aiti-kace.com.gh>
Message-ID: <2B97DF19-D792-40B4-8988-8C80C66723BE@ipjustice.org>

Dear Dorothy,

This sounds like a very sensible approach me.  Others?

Thanks,
Robin

On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Dorothy K. Gordon wrote:

> I suggest they give a full list of the membership indicating  
> affiliation and we use the same process for all groups with major  
> commercial representation among their membership. Thanks
>
> Dorothy K. Gordon
> Director-General
> Ghana-India Kofi Annan Centre of Excellence in ICT
> Mobile: 233 265005712
> Direct Line: 233 302 683579
> Website: www.aiti-kace.com.gh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alain Berranger" <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
> To: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>, ec- 
> ncsg at ipjustice.org
> Sent: Monday, 13 August, 2012 2:44:58 PM GMT +00:00 Casablanca /  
> Monrovia
> Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership  
> applications from the new online form
>
>
> Hi All, here is the response to Rafik from Klaus:
>
>
> Klaus, as ED of GKPF, confirms the validity of my earlier response.  
> He adds:
>
>
> "GKPF is undergoing a membership reform, but it should be stated  
> clearly that GKPF is a multi stakeholder organization and has and  
> always will engage private and governmental sector members, besides  
> civil society members, in the spirit of multi sector partnerships.  
> It is expected that a majority of GKPF members will continue to be  
> from civil society"
>
>
> Klaus, can you please send in the names of the principal (and  
> alternate) rep to replace Caroline Figueres, if you have not  
> already done so? You had mentioned Andrei Barburas as principal? or  
> as alternate? who is the other rep? I will pass on to NCSG-EC.
>
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Alain Berranger <  
> alain.berranger at gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
>
> I have asked Klaus to answer your request for clarification and  
> question - I do not know the current situation exactly, but you are  
> right about a restructuration going on at GKPF - we went from a  
> network (GKP) to a foundation (GKPF) structure a couple of years  
> back. Generally speaking, GKPF is a MS and NFP organization, with a  
> large majority of the membership being from civil society. In the  
> past WB and MS were donors to GKP but not recently to GKPF.
>
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Rafik Dammak <  
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Robin,
>
>
> I would like to ask for clarification for the case of GKP because I  
> saw in the organizations membership, they have Microsoft, alcatel- 
> lucent, european commission, world bank, nokia-siemens network,  
> understanding that GKP is trying to reform itself , are they still  
> members or not?and what is the membership composition of GKP?
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2012/8/1 Robin Gross < robin at ipjustice.org >
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear NCSG-EC Members:
>
>
> I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and  
> concerns raised about the membership applications we currently have  
> pending from the online form. From what I can tell, here is where  
> we are and what I propose we do with each application.
>
>
> On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve:
> 1. IC Volunteers
> 2. EMERGE
> 3. Antwain Thomas
> 4. Manoj Khinchi
> 5. Madhav Gopal Sharma
> I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if  
> there is no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we  
> accept these new members at that time.
>
>
> A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may  
> require some follow-up on our part:
>
>
> 1. Global Knowledge Partnership
> RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent  
> this organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in  
> NCSG and individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization  
> in NCSG at a time. --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit  
> the name of someone else to represent this organization in NCSG.
>
>
> 2. Daniel Yakmut
> MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both  
> as an organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual.  
> AB suggests he be accepted for one or the other, but not both.
>
>
> 3. Federal University, Lafia
> MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both  
> membership both as an organization and also as an individual. MM  
> raised concern that Daniel is not listed on University website or  
> connected with university in any apparent way.
> --> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership,  
> but not accept Federal University membership until representative  
> can be verified.
>
>
> 4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en  
> Derechos Humanos
> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail  
> address. AB supplied an org email address for rep.
> --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given  
> the updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the  
> week, I suggest we accept them.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
> www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
> www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O: +1 514 484 7824 ; M: +1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
> www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
> www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From alain.berranger  Fri Aug 17 23:34:13 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:34:13 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
 the new online form
In-Reply-To: <2B97DF19-D792-40B4-8988-8C80C66723BE@ipjustice.org>
References: <23626637.68451344876816059.JavaMail.root@mail.aiti-kace.com.gh>
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Dear Robin,

Seems reasonable to me too - but it will invariably takes us to the need to
define "major": does it mean just one member such as a "biggie" like
Microsoft? or does it means 50% of all members are from the private sector?
As to the specific case of GKP Foundation, the legacy GKP members are all
listed on the website (a large majority from civil society) but the new
GKPF members are not yet listed, so we would have to ask Klaus to give us
that list. I can tell you (I'm on the Board of Trustees) that the majority
is from civil society.

Another related issue is around Multi-Stakeholders organizations (like
GKPF): I would prefer to include them as members if the majority (50%+) of
members are from civil society.

Alain

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> Dear Dorothy,
>
> This sounds like a very sensible approach me.  Others?
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Dorothy K. Gordon wrote:
>
> I suggest they give a full list of the membership indicating affiliation
> and we use the same process for all groups with major commercial
> representation among their membership. Thanks
>
> Dorothy K. Gordon
> Director-General
> Ghana-India Kofi Annan Centre of Excellence in ICT
> Mobile: 233 265005712
> Direct Line: 233 302 683579
> Website: www.aiti-kace.com.gh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alain Berranger" <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
> To: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>, ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org
> Sent: Monday, 13 August, 2012 2:44:58 PM GMT +00:00 Casablanca / Monrovia
> Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] dealing with 9 pending membership applications from
> the new online form
>
>
> Hi All, here is the response to Rafik from Klaus:
>
>
> Klaus, as ED of GKPF, confirms the validity of my earlier response. He
> adds:
>
>
> "GKPF is undergoing a membership reform, but it should be stated clearly
> that GKPF is a multi stakeholder organization and has and always will
> engage private and governmental sector members, besides civil society
> members, in the spirit of multi sector partnerships. It is expected that a
> majority of GKPF members will continue to be from civil society"
>
>
> Klaus, can you please send in the names of the principal (and alternate)
> rep to replace Caroline Figueres, if you have not already done so? You had
> mentioned Andrei Barburas as principal? or as alternate? who is the other
> rep? I will pass on to NCSG-EC.
>
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Alain Berranger <
> alain.berranger at gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
>
> I have asked Klaus to answer your request for clarification and question -
> I do not know the current situation exactly, but you are right about a
> restructuration going on at GKPF - we went from a network (GKP) to a
> foundation (GKPF) structure a couple of years back. Generally speaking,
> GKPF is a MS and NFP organization, with a large majority of the membership
> being from civil society. In the past WB and MS were donors to GKP but not
> recently to GKPF.
>
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Rafik Dammak < rafik.dammak at gmail.com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Robin,
>
>
> I would like to ask for clarification for the case of GKP because I saw in
> the organizations membership, they have Microsoft, alcatel-lucent, european
> commission, world bank, nokia-siemens network, understanding that GKP is
> trying to reform itself , are they still members or not?and what is the
> membership composition of GKP?
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2012/8/1 Robin Gross < robin at ipjustice.org >
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear NCSG-EC Members:
>
>
> I've tried to cobble together the various responses, votes and concerns
> raised about the membership applications we currently have pending from the
> online form. From what I can tell, here is where we are and what I propose
> we do with each application.
>
>
> On the following applications, RG, AB, LS, MM voted to approve:
> 1. IC Volunteers
> 2. EMERGE
> 3. Antwain Thomas
> 4. Manoj Khinchi
> 5. Madhav Gopal Sharma
> I don't see a response from Rafik on these applications, but if there is
> no objection to them by the end of the week, I propose we accept these new
> members at that time.
>
>
> A few concerns were raised on the following applications, which may
> require some follow-up on our part:
>
>
> 1. Global Knowledge Partnership
> RG & MM raised the concern that the person submitted to represent this
> organization (Caroline Figures) already represents IICD in NCSG and
> individuals are only allowed to represent 1 organization in NCSG at a time.
> --> Therefore it is suggested that GKP submit the name of someone else to
> represent this organization in NCSG.
>
>
> 2. Daniel Yakmut
> MM & AB raise concern that he is applying for both membership both as an
> organization (rep of Federal Univ) and also as an individual. AB suggests
> he be accepted for one or the other, but not both.
>
>
> 3. Federal University, Lafia
> MM & AB raise concern that Daniel Yakmut is applying for both membership
> both as an organization and also as an individual. MM raised concern that
> Daniel is not listed on University website or connected with university in
> any apparent way.
> --> It is suggested we accept Daniel as an individual membership, but not
> accept Federal University membership until representative can be verified.
>
>
>
> 4. Asociaci?n Centro de Estudios, Capacitaci?n y An?lisis en Derechos
> Humanos
> MM raised concern that rep not listed on website and has a gmail address.
> AB supplied an org email address for rep.
> --> It is suggested we accept this organization's membership given the
> updated information. Unless anyone objects by the end of the week, I
> suggest we accept them.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
>
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O: +1 514 484 7824 ; M: +1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
>
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
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Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
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From robin  Tue Aug 21 20:05:50 2012
From: robin (Robin Gross)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:05:50 -0700
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG membership resgistration
In-Reply-To: <CANgs+StbkHU1f6hhVWLMtkdoBryhSdZO=LD92vH553VSa_hF_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <635559D3CE624FBDBCF9DD8ED2B010A7@KlausPC>
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I think it is a good idea to have the entire "form" available so  
people can know the contents of it in advance, so a word / pdf / text  
version is great.

I just don't people to fill those out as a substitute for the online  
form.  (Sometimes I can't read people's handwriting when they do  
this!)  When applicants type their own data directly into the  
database, there is much less opportunity for error and misunderstanding.

So I guess anyone could simply write down the questions contained in  
the form and we could post that along side the online form.

Thanks,
Robin

On Aug 20, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Alain Berranger wrote:

> Eduardo,
>
> Yes, unfortunately, there was a break in membership applications  
> when leadership changed in both NPOC and NCSG. SO I'm afraid we  
> have to ask NPOC "pending" members to "re-apply" using the on-line  
> form. The need for a pdf or word format is now established as some  
> applying organizations need to get various internal pre-approval  
> before an officer is authorized to fill in the on-line form.
>
> I have asked Brenden Kuerbis to be kind enough to make a pdf and/or  
> a word NCSG membership application form. This need was also  
> expressed recently by The Nature Conservancy (TNC) out of New-Zealand.
>
> Brenden, can this be done, please? Robin, are you OK with this?
>
> Best, Alain
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Eduardo Monge  
> <eduardo.monge at fod.ac.cr> wrote:
> Alain,
>
>
>
> Good.
>
>
>
> We need  a    revised  Word  or   PDF  to let our  prospective /  
> pending  members  know  what they need to fill out and  attach
>
>
>
> See my message to Lady ..      is her organization still a   
> pending  application ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Eduardo
>
>
>
>
>
> De: owner-npoc at icann.org [mailto:owner-npoc at icann.org] En nombre de  
> Alain Berranger
> Enviado el: jueves, 16 de agosto de 2012 11:50 a.m.
> Para: Klaus Stoll
> CC: Jean-Louis ECOCHARD; Robin Gross; Brenden Kuerbis
> Asunto: [npoc] Re: NCSG membership resgistration
>
>
>
> Thanks Klaus,
>
>
>
> Brenden, could you simply make the entire online form also  
> available as a word and/or pdf document? NCUC and NPOC could add  
> them to their websites. Meanwhile, it is very important for NCSG  
> and NPOC to welcome the TNC into its memberships, so maybe the  
> forms could be sent to them right away.
>
>
>
> Robin, on the funding question, since there is no consensus on NCSG- 
> EC, and as it may be illegal (there is some early but informal  
> indications from some ICANN staff that it may just be), I'm of the  
> opinion that it should be removed from the form, until we have a  
> consensus and/or go through a dispute resolution/ombusdman process  
> like for the 3 members currently under dispute. NCSG-EC should  
> probably seek an opinion from ICANN legal folks and I have blind- 
> copied NCSG-EC for the perusal of our other colleagues not on this  
> email stream.
>
>
>
> Best, Alain
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Klaus Stoll  
> <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends
>
> Greetings and I hope this email finds you well. Please see the  
> email I received yesterday about the NCSG membership registration  
> form. Please advice how this problem can be addressed.
>
> I also want to note that the "How the organizations are funded"  
> question is still included in the form and I want to reiterate that  
> NPOC sees this question a illegitimate and we will continue NPOC  
> potential members to ignore it.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Louis Ecochard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: Klaus Stoll
> Subject: Re: Jean Louis? contact information
>
> Dear Klaus,
>
> This new n=online application (the older one was a word documents)  
> makes
> it extremely difficult for a large NGO to join as we require internal
> legal approval and thus need to see the entire document ahead of time.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Louis
>
>
>
> On 8/15/12 11:14 AM, "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org>  
> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends
>
> The NCSG membership form can be found at
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership 
> +Application
>
> Please make sure that on the second page you opt for NPOC and not  
> NCUC.
>
> If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to ask.
>
> Yours
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
> www.schulich.yorku.ca
>
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
> www.gkpfoundation.org
>
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,  
> www.schulich.yorku.ca
> Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,  
> www.gkpfoundation.org
> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
> Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> Skype: alain.berranger
>




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From alain.berranger  Wed Aug 22 22:47:23 2012
From: alain.berranger (Alain Berranger)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:47:23 -0400
Subject: [EC-NCSG] NCSG membership resgistration
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I agree - we make the form available for perusal, and whatever need the
applicant has, but contimue to request that the online form be used for all
the reasons you mention.

We can discuss our last difference - the funding question - at the NCSG-EC
meeting in Toronto (when is that meeting happening?)

Brenden, I guess it is in your capable hands. Let us know if you need help
from NPOC.

Thanks Robin

Alain

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> I think it is a good idea to have the entire "form" available so people
> can know the contents of it in advance, so a word / pdf / text version is
> great.
>
> I just don't people to fill those out as a substitute for the online form.
>  (Sometimes I can't read people's handwriting when they do this!)  When
> applicants type their own data directly into the database, there is much
> less opportunity for error and misunderstanding.
>
> So I guess anyone could simply write down the questions contained in the
> form and we could post that along side the online form.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>
> Eduardo,
>
> Yes, unfortunately, there was a break in membership applications when
> leadership changed in both NPOC and NCSG. SO I'm afraid we have to ask NPOC
> "pending" members to "re-apply" using the on-line form. The need for a pdf
> or word format is now established as some applying organizations need to
> get various internal pre-approval before an officer is authorized to fill
> in the on-line form.
>
> I have asked Brenden Kuerbis to be kind enough to make a pdf and/or a word
> NCSG membership application form. This need was also expressed recently by
> The Nature Conservancy (TNC) out of New-Zealand.
>
> Brenden, can this be done, please? Robin, are you OK with this?
>
> Best, Alain
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Eduardo Monge <eduardo.monge at fod.ac.cr>wrote:
>
>> Alain,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Good.  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We need  a    revised  Word  or   PDF  to let our  prospective / pending
>> members  know  what they need to fill out and  attach****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> See my message to Lady ..      is her organization still a  pending
>> application ?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Eduardo****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *De:* owner-npoc at icann.org [mailto:owner-npoc at icann.org] *En nombre de *Alain
>> Berranger
>> *Enviado el:* jueves, 16 de agosto de 2012 11:50 a.m.
>> *Para:* Klaus Stoll
>> *CC:* Jean-Louis ECOCHARD; Robin Gross; Brenden Kuerbis
>> *Asunto:* [npoc] Re: NCSG membership resgistration****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks Klaus,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Brenden, could you simply make the entire online form also available as a
>> word and/or pdf document? NCUC and NPOC could add them to their
>> websites. Meanwhile, it is very important for NCSG and NPOC to welcome the
>> TNC into its memberships, so maybe the forms could be sent to them right
>> away.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Robin, on the funding question, since there is no consensus on NCSG-EC,
>> and as it may be illegal (there is some early but informal indications from
>> some ICANN staff that it may just be), I'm of the opinion that it should be
>> removed from the form, until we have a consensus and/or go through a
>> dispute resolution/ombusdman process like for the 3 members currently under
>> dispute. NCSG-EC should probably seek an opinion from ICANN legal folks and
>> I have blind-copied NCSG-EC for the perusal of our other colleagues not on
>> this email stream.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best, Alain****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Klaus Stoll <
>> klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:****
>>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> Greetings and I hope this email finds you well. Please see the email I
>> received yesterday about the NCSG membership registration form. Please
>> advice how this problem can be addressed.
>>
>> I also want to note that the "How the organizations are funded" question
>> is still included in the form and I want to reiterate that NPOC sees this
>> question a illegitimate and we will continue NPOC potential members to
>> ignore it.
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Louis Ecochard
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:23 PM
>> To: Klaus Stoll
>> Subject: Re: Jean Louis? contact information
>>
>> Dear Klaus,
>>
>> This new n=online application (the older one was a word documents) makes
>> it extremely difficult for a large NGO to join as we require internal
>> legal approval and thus need to see the entire document ahead of time.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jean-Louis
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/12 11:14 AM, "Klaus Stoll" <klaus.stoll at gkpfoundation.org> wrote:
>> ****
>>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> The NCSG membership form can be found at
>>
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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
Skype: alain.berranger
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