From robin Wed Nov 2 22:53:12 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:53:12 -0700 Subject: [EC-NCSG] New EC-NCSG email list (more manageable) Message-ID: Dear EC Members: I'm migrating the EC-NCSG mailing list over to a system that I know how to use - and won't have to (unsuccessfully) try to approve/reject so many stray emails. So the new email address for the NCSG Executive Committee list is now: EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org As per the charter, this list is open and publicly archived at: http://mailman.ipjustice.org/pipermail/ec-ncsg/ In addition to the EC members listed below, Avri was added to this EC-NCSG list as an observer as requested. Please let me know if I've overlooked anyone else who should be added as an observer to the EC-NCSG list. Thanks, Robin NCSG Executive Committee Robin Gross (Chair) Michael Carson (NPOC appointee) Mohammed Rafik Dammak (NCUC appointee) Milton Mueller (NCUC appointee) Klaus Stoll (NPOC appointee) Observers: Dorothy K. Gordon - Consumer Interest Group (proposed) IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mueller Wed Nov 2 22:54:54 2011 From: mueller (Milton L Mueller) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:54:54 +0000 Subject: [EC-NCSG] Testing... Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD202F489@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Milton L. Mueller Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies Internet Governance Project http://blog.internetgovernance.org From avri Wed Nov 2 23:10:14 2011 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:10:14 -0400 Subject: [EC-NCSG] New EC-NCSG email list (more manageable) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0739866D-7F27-4187-A1E3-1A0C8733EED2@acm.org> I assume you want the NCSG-EC list closed. Please let me know when. Will you also be moving the other lists? thanks avri On 2 Nov 2011, at 16:53, Robin Gross wrote: > Dear EC Members: > > I'm migrating the EC-NCSG mailing list over to a system that I know how to use - and won't have to (unsuccessfully) try to approve/reject so many stray emails. > > So the new email address for the NCSG Executive Committee list is now: > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > > As per the charter, this list is open and publicly archived at: > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/pipermail/ec-ncsg/ > > In addition to the EC members listed below, Avri was added to this EC-NCSG list as an observer as requested. Please let me know if I've overlooked anyone else who should be added as an observer to the EC-NCSG list. > > Thanks, > Robin > > NCSG Executive Committee > ? Robin Gross (Chair) > ? Michael Carson (NPOC appointee) > ? Mohammed Rafik Dammak (NCUC appointee) > ? Milton Mueller (NCUC appointee) > ? Klaus Stoll (NPOC appointee) > ? Observers: > ? Dorothy K. Gordon - Consumer Interest Group (proposed) > > > > > IP JUSTICE > Robin Gross, Executive Director > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg From robin Sun Nov 6 21:30:11 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:30:11 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: evaluating the pending NCSG membership applications References: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD724043E9BF37@exymca05.YMCA.NET> Message-ID: <2DFFD6FA-164C-41E2-8479-F8C88B1B1A3B@ipjustice.org> Hi Michael, Thanks for sending this on. The email probably bounced back because we are using a new email system. I've forwarded the email herewith to the new address for the Executive Committee which is < EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > So all EC members should have this email and info now. Thanks, Robin Begin forwarded message: > From: "Carson, Michael" > Date: November 5, 2011 1:32:37 PM PDT > To: "robin at ipjustice.org" > Cc: "klaus.stoll at chasquinet.org" , "mueller at syr.edu" > Subject: FW: [ncsg-ec] evaluating the pending NCSG membership applications > > Hi, Robin, > > See the email below. It came back underliverable. Please forward to Rafik; for some reason I can't find his email address. Thanks. > > Michael > > Michael A. Carson Jr. > Office of the General Counsel > YMCA of the USA > ________________________________________ > From: Carson, Michael > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:31 PM > To: ncsg-ec at n4c.eu > Subject: RE: [ncsg-ec] evaluating the pending NCSG membership applications > > Hi Robin, > > Attached are the pending NPOC member applications to the NCSG. All of these applicants were submitted to the NCSG-EC on or before October 15, 2011 (some several months prior to this date). > > Additionally, a number of NPOC's member applications were held up because questions were raised by NCSG-EC members as to the legitimacy of an attorney representing an organization. In keeping with the spirit of the mediation in Dakar, we are providing additional information to help move this process along. > > Uleses Henderson (a partner with a California law firm) is the authorized representative of The Church of God in Christ. Please review the link below whereby he is also listed as a staff member (and special counsel) for the Presiding Bishop of the organization. The organization is legitimate as well as his representation. > > Link: http://cogic.net/cogiccms/cogiccmschief-legal-counsel/about/staff/ > > Furthermore, we will be providing additional information connecting NPOC members with the attorneys who represent them. > > Finally, we trust that going forward the same level of scrutiny (i.e., attorneys representing organizations) applied to NPOC member applications will also be applied across the board to all attorneys/individuals representing organizations within the NCSG. We look forward to our meeting on November 8th. > > Have a great weekend. > > Michael > > > > Michael A. Carson Jr. > Office of the General Counsel > YMCA of the USA > ________________________________________ > From: Robin Gross [robin at ipjustice.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:23 PM > To: ncsg-ec at n4c.eu EC > Subject: [ncsg-ec] evaluating the pending NCSG membership applications > > Dear EC: > > From what I can tell, there are about 20 applications pending for membership in NCSG. They are the ones listed on this spreadsheet that Avri created and sent to me: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoC745NEsGNqdFRVWVJfZzdNVnFVTmU5eWsycHUtZUE > > Please review this list and let me know if there are others that are not included that need to be evaluated by us. > > I think it is important that as our first order of business as the new EC that we deal with these pending NCSG membership applications immediately. > > However, this spreadsheet only contains the names of the organizations and none of the details of the applications, so shall I presume that we need to go digging around the EC mailing list to find each of the individual actual applications (or can someone point to them easily)? It seems some of these applicants have been the subject of prior EC discussions that would be helpful for me to updated on also. Thanks very much! 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Thanks, Robin Begin forwarded message: > From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr > Date: October 22, 2011 7:25:07 AM PDT > To: NCSG-EC at n4c.eu > Subject: [ncsg-ec] Expression of Interest for Individual membership in the GNSO's NCSG. > Reply-To: ncsg-ec at n4c.eu > > Text in body of message matches that in the signed Letterhead PDF copy attached... > > > > > > Dear NCSG Executive, > > As my term(s) of Office with the ALAC come to a close at this current #42nd ICANN Meeting in Dakar, I have been looking to pursue opportunities (and membership) for further continuation of my active role in ICANN's activities and Policy Development Processes and Working Group activities. To this end I most humbly submit to you, my Expression of Interest in being considered for becoming an Individual Member of the NCSG, and that acceptance of me among you ranks would bring a set of particular skills sets and experience that can benefit the NCSG's input into ICANN Processes and Policy Development. > > I believe I have specific skill sets, capabilities and experience 1, that will be of benefit to the mission of the NCSG. In support of my application for membership and what criteria as an interested individual Non Commercial registrant of gTLDS, I have looked to your Charter section 2.2.5 and have responded inline (where relevant) as follows: > > 2.2.5. > New Individual Members-- > Eligible Individuals. > Individual persons who agree to advocate for a non-commercial public--?interest position within the Stakeholder group and who fall within one of the following three categories are eligible to join as an ?Individual Member?: > > 1. An Individual who has registered domain name(s) for personal, family or other non-commercial use; > Please be advised that I petition for Individual Membership in the NCSG under this criteria. > > or > 2. An Individual Internet user who is primarily concerned with the non-commercial public- interest aspects of domain name policy, and is not represented in ICANN through membership in another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group; > or > 3. An Individual who is employed by or a member of a non--?member non-commercial organization (universities, colleges, large NGOs) can join NCSG in his or her individual capacity if their organization has not already joined the NCSG. > > The Executive Committee shall, at its discretion, determine limits to the total number of Individual members who can join from any single organization (provided the limit shall apply to all Organizations, of the same size category, equally). > > An individual who is a member of or employee of a non-commercial organization, which is itself a member of the NCSG, may apply for, or retain membership, in the NCSG only under the first criteria for individual membership, i.e. be an individual non-commercial registrant. Such membership is subject to Executive Committee review. > > > I also note from the http://gnso.icann.org/non-commercial/ page regarding 'Membership Information' The basis for the NCSG membership is defined in https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?membership_criteria# ; Unfortunately when using this link from the page I get directed to my own home page1 on the wiki, so If there are additional criteria or forms of application that I should be filing with you I am unaware of these and would appreciate direction or file copy so that I can comply. > > > Please note also that a list of the GNSO Working Groups I am currently an active Member of and my SoI (for Continuous Disclosure purposes) to the GNSO is found here https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Cheryl+Langdon-Orr+SOI > > Thanks you for consideration on my EoI for Individual membership of the NCSG I look forward to the outcome of your deliberations and also to provide any additional information of materials you require to make your determination of my petition for Membership under Carter section 2.2.5.1 > Kindest regards, > > (Signed) > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > (CLO) > > Endnotes: > 1 https://community.icann.org/display/~cheryl.langdon-orr/Home > > ---- > Everything about this list: http://info.n4c.eu/sympa/info/ncsg-ec IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It came back underliverable. Please forward to Rafik; for some reason I can't find his email address. Thanks. Michael Michael A. Carson Jr. Office of the General Counsel YMCA of the USA ________________________________________ From: Carson, Michael Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:31 PM To: ncsg-ec at n4c.eu Subject: RE: [ncsg-ec] evaluating the pending NCSG membership applications Hi Robin, Attached are the pending NPOC member applications to the NCSG. All of these applicants were submitted to the NCSG-EC on or before October 15, 2011 (some several months prior to this date). Additionally, a number of NPOC's member applications were held up because questions were raised by NCSG-EC members as to the legitimacy of an attorney representing an organization. In keeping with the spirit of the mediation in Dakar, we are providing additional information to help move this process along. Uleses Henderson (a partner with a California law firm) is the authorized representative of The Church of God in Christ. Please review the link below whereby he is also listed as a staff member (and special counsel) for the Presiding Bishop of the organization. The organization is legitimate as well as his representation. Link: http://cogic.net/cogiccms/cogiccmschief-legal-counsel/about/staff/ Furthermore, we will be providing additional information connecting NPOC members with the attorneys who represent them. Finally, we trust that going forward the same level of scrutiny (i.e., attorneys representing organizations) applied to NPOC member applications will also be applied across the board to all attorneys/individuals representing organizations within the NCSG. We look forward to our meeting on November 8th. Have a great weekend. Michael Michael A. Carson Jr. Office of the General Counsel YMCA of the USA ________________________________________ From: Robin Gross [robin at ipjustice.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:23 PM To: ncsg-ec at n4c.eu EC Subject: [ncsg-ec] evaluating the pending NCSG membership applications Dear EC: From robin Tue Nov 8 21:39:16 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:39:16 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG/NPOC membership applications Message-ID: Dear EC Members: Thanks to each of you for a very productive meeting this morning and great start to the new EC. To summarize what we discussed and decided with respect to the pending membership applications, please see the attached file that includes the applications we reviewed today. The organizations coded in GREEN were approved for NCSG membership. The organizations coded in RED were denied membership (although a couple may be approved as soon as they have a domain name). The organizations coded in BLUE require further information or evaluation (as explained to column B). So I'm going to follow-up with all of these applicants this week to let them know of the status of their application and request the additional information where appropriate. The ones who were approved will be added to the main NCSG email discussion list and membership rolls. I'll also type up the process we discussed for handling NCSG applications going forward and send it to this list and post it to the wiki. Let's consider this the beginning of this conversation on NCSG membership procedures, which will be an ongoing one, as we receive more applicants and refine our processes further from the experience. Thanks again, Robin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carson Jr. Office of the General Counsel YMCA OF THE USA -----Original Message----- From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Robin Gross Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:39 PM To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org Subject: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG/NPOC membership applications Dear EC Members: Thanks to each of you for a very productive meeting this morning and great start to the new EC. To summarize what we discussed and decided with respect to the pending membership applications, please see the attached file that includes the applications we reviewed today. The organizations coded in GREEN were approved for NCSG membership. The organizations coded in RED were denied membership (although a couple may be approved as soon as they have a domain name). The organizations coded in BLUE require further information or evaluation (as explained to column B). So I'm going to follow-up with all of these applicants this week to let them know of the status of their application and request the additional information where appropriate. The ones who were approved will be added to the main NCSG email discussion list and membership rolls. I'll also type up the process we discussed for handling NCSG applications going forward and send it to this list and post it to the wiki. Let's consider this the beginning of this conversation on NCSG membership procedures, which will be an ongoing one, as we receive more applicants and refine our processes further from the experience. Thanks again, Robin From robin Tue Nov 8 21:44:20 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:44:20 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG/NPOC membership applications In-Reply-To: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD7240440E203C@exymca05.YMCA.NET> References: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD7240440E203C@exymca05.YMCA.NET> Message-ID: <2306C703-CFF8-417E-BE82-D5090D07021C@ipjustice.org> Hi Michael, I've re-attached it here as Excel file and Numbers file. Let me know if you still can't access it. Thanks, Robin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 11-11-8-EC-mtg-NPOC-NCSG - PendingApplicants.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 40960 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carson Jr. > Office of the General Counsel > YMCA OF THE USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Robin Gross > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:39 PM > To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org > Subject: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG/NPOC membership applications > > Dear EC Members: > > Thanks to each of you for a very productive meeting this morning and great start to the new EC. > > To summarize what we discussed and decided with respect to the pending membership applications, please see the attached file that includes the applications we reviewed today. > > The organizations coded in GREEN were approved for NCSG membership. > The organizations coded in RED were denied membership (although a couple may be approved as soon as they have a domain name). > The organizations coded in BLUE require further information or evaluation (as explained to column B). > > So I'm going to follow-up with all of these applicants this week to let them know of the status of their application and request the additional information where appropriate. > The ones who were approved will be added to the main NCSG email discussion list and membership rolls. > > I'll also type up the process we discussed for handling NCSG applications going forward and send it to this list and post it to the wiki. > > Let's consider this the beginning of this conversation on NCSG membership procedures, which will be an ongoing one, as we receive more applicants and refine our processes further from the experience. > > Thanks again, > Robin > IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org From Michael.Carson Tue Nov 8 21:49:18 2011 From: Michael.Carson (Carson, Michael) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:49:18 -0600 Subject: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG/NPOC membership applications In-Reply-To: <2306C703-CFF8-417E-BE82-D5090D07021C@ipjustice.org> References: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD7240440E203C@exymca05.YMCA.NET> <2306C703-CFF8-417E-BE82-D5090D07021C@ipjustice.org> Message-ID: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD7240440E2049@exymca05.YMCA.NET> Hi, Robin, thanks for re-sending. We have already started the ball rolling. We hope to submit all of the pertinent information by next week. Best, Michael Michael A. Carson Jr. Office of the General Counsel YMCA OF THE USA -----Original Message----- From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:44 PM To: Carson, Michael Cc: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] pending NCSG/NPOC membership applications Hi Michael, I've re-attached it here as Excel file and Numbers file. Let me know if you still can't access it. Thanks, Robin From robin Wed Nov 9 03:25:03 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:25:03 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] flow chart for processing NCSG Membership applications Message-ID: Hi EC Members: Based on our conversation today, I've taken a rough stab at creating a flow chart to guide us in our process for handling NCSG Membership applications when they come in going forward. 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Best, Robin ------------------------------------- Bryann Jackson ALSAC / St. Jude Bruce Moore Australian RedCross Society Uleses C. Henerson Jr Church of God in Christ Judy Branzelle Goodwill Industries Salma Cassam Chenai International Baccalaureate Organization Madi Jobarteh The Association of NGOs, The Gambia (TANGO) Lori Schulman Water Environment Research Foundation Poncelet O Ileleji YMCA of The Gambia IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's continue to make progress with our pending applications. > > Thanks very much! > > Best, > Robin > ------------------------------------- > > Bryann Jackson > ALSAC / St. Jude > > > Bruce Moore > Australian RedCross Society > > > Uleses C. Henerson Jr > Church of God in Christ > > > Judy Branzelle > Goodwill Industries > > > Salma Cassam Chenai > International Baccalaureate Organization > > > Madi Jobarteh > The Association of NGOs, The Gambia (TANGO) > > > Lori Schulman > Water Environment Research Foundation > > > Poncelet O Ileleji > YMCA of The Gambia > > > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE > Robin Gross, Executive Director > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg From Michael.Carson Wed Nov 9 20:19:29 2011 From: Michael.Carson (Carson, Michael) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:19:29 -0600 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 8 new organizational members accepted to NCSG In-Reply-To: <7D930B35-082A-420E-A8F8-AF2D28B99EFE@ipjustice.org> References: <7D930B35-082A-420E-A8F8-AF2D28B99EFE@ipjustice.org> Message-ID: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD7240440E242C@exymca05.YMCA.NET> Thanks Robin. Michael A. Carson Jr. Senior Paralegal Office of the General Counsel YMCA OF THE USA 101 N Wacker Drive, Chicago IL 60606 (P) 312-419-8668 (F) 312-977-0057 (E) michael.carson at ymca.net The Y: We're for youth development, healthy living and social responsibility. From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Robin Gross Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 11:33 AM To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org Subject: [EC-NCSG] 8 new organizational members accepted to NCSG Dear EC Members: As per our fruitful discussion and determinations in yesterday's EC teleconference, the following 8 organization's have been notified of their acceptance in NCSG and their representatives have been added to the members email list. Let's continue to make progress with our pending applications. Thanks very much! Best, Robin ------------------------------------- Bryann Jackson ALSAC / St. Jude Bruce Moore Australian RedCross Society Uleses C. Henerson Jr Church of God in Christ Judy Branzelle Goodwill Industries Salma Cassam Chenai International Baccalaureate Organization Madi Jobarteh The Association of NGOs, The Gambia (TANGO) Lori Schulman Water Environment Research Foundation Poncelet O Ileleji YMCA of The Gambia IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin Thu Nov 10 01:05:25 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:05:25 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] The 3 orgs who were ineligible for membership based on NCSG applications submitted Message-ID: <5EBDE139-5462-449A-9A81-56CA2E9F2410@ipjustice.org> Dear EC Committee: In further follow-up from our teleconference yesterday, I have contacted the following 3 organizations and informed them they were determined to be ineligible for membership in NCSG, based on the applications supplied. 1. Kaswesha Community Resource Center Reason provided for non-approval: Not the exclusive user of at least one domain name (a requirement for eligibility under NCSG Charter Section 2.2.1). They were invited to re-apply when they have a noncommercial domain name. 2. Civil Society Movement Against Tuberculosis in Sierre Leone (CISMAT-SL) Reason provided for non-approval: Not the exclusive user of at least one domain name (a requirement for eligibility under NCSG Charter Section 2.2.1). They were invited to re-apply when they have a noncommercial domain name. 3. US Olympic Committee: Reason provided for non-approval: USOC is substantially a major sports licensing business and NCSG is devoted to the protection of noncommercial interests. They were invited to join ICANN's Intellectual Property Constituency as the more appropriate place to protect their interests. IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org From robin Fri Nov 11 03:50:29 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:50:29 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] membership outreach Message-ID: Dear EC Members: One item we did not have a chance to discuss at our teleconference this week was membership outreach. The NCSG Charter 2.2.10 makes the EC responsible for establishing processes and mechanisms for continuing membership outreach into the noncommercial communities. So I'd like to set up a small group of interested NCSG members to help devise and execute a plan for membership outreach and new member orientation. This membership committee would coordinate with the EC and the constituencies (and GNSO/ICANN in general) to develop a coordinated effort for membership outreach. Please let me know your thoughts on this way forward for NCSG membership outreach and any suggestions for improving this proposal. (And of course if anyone would like to volunteer to join this group). Thank you! Best, Robin IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org From robin Fri Nov 11 19:50:04 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:50:04 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted Message-ID: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> Dear EC Members: We have 2 new NCSG membership applications to consider. An organization called US Ignite has applied (Glen Ricart as representative) and At-Large's Cheryl Landon Orr has applied to NCSG as an individual member. So go ahead and do any due diligence on these 2 new applications. Both of these NCSG applications are attached to this email and I've posted them in a Google docs folder (named "NCSG Membership Applications) and "shared" the folder with each of you (via your email address). Please let me know if you have any difficulty in accessing the applications. One thing I can say is we will need to build some kind of database system to more efficiently manage these membership records. (Possibly Google documents?) Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. Thanks, Robin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: US-Ignite-NCSG-NCUC-Organization-member-Application.doc Type: application/msword Size: 40960 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not just mean the fact that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: ) and find it is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: > 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? > > Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done consistently though the entire set of application forms. There is something new that might need to be added to the individual membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership regime with proper forms. best regards, avri From robin Mon Nov 14 01:15:32 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:15:32 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted In-Reply-To: References: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> Message-ID: <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org> There seem to be some misunderstanding about these forms. These forms are *supposed* to be joint NCUC-NCSG membership applications. Each of the constituencies is creating a joint constituency-NCSG form and the ones you are looking at are the JOINT ncuc-ncsg forms (as it says on the top of the form). Amber is working the joint form with NPOC and will send that to the EC for posting to the NCSG wiki when she is done with it. These forms being joint forms with the constituencies was discussed on this list and during the EC meeting (toward the beginning of the transcript), so I'm not sure how that was over-looked and the assumption was made otherwise. These forms are just short-term measures because we needed something to put up immediately since we have been without any kind of online membership form for so long. We need a long term solution that integrates an online database and are looking at these options now. Since you have taken an interest in the charter's requirements for an online form, I hope you would be glad to volunteer to create one for the SG, as such constructive participation would be most welcome - and needed. Thanks, Robin On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Dear Robin, > > On 11 Nov 2011, at 12:50, Robin Gross wrote: > >> Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. > > I hope you will forgive me for offering advice, but I figure that is part of the reason I was put back on this list. > > I think that the forms need some more work. I do not just mean the fact that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. > > Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: ) and find it is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. > > I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: > >> 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? >> >> Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). > > I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. > > Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done consistently though the entire set of application forms. > > There is something new that might need to be added to the individual membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. > > Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. > > Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership regime with proper forms. > > best regards, > > avri > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg > IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org From avri Mon Nov 14 02:03:30 2011 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:03:30 -0500 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted In-Reply-To: <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org> References: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org> Message-ID: <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> Dear Robin, Seems a bit odd, but if that is the way the EC wants to do it, ok I guess. Should probably indicate that fact in the text that points to the forms - as it is, it gave me the impression that it was pointing to an NCSG membership form. As for the offer to take responsibility for creating an NCSG specific form, I must politely decline the opportunity. Should I figure out how to create an online form in the wiki, I will be glad to explain how it is done to you, but having carried the load of NCSG administration alone for 2 years only to have some of it undone, I have decided to devote my administrative volunteering time and capabilities elsewhere for the foreseeable future. I do hope that comments based on review are still valued, even if the effort to fix them is not also volunteered. Best Regards, avri On 13 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Robin Gross wrote: > There seem to be some misunderstanding about these forms. These forms are *supposed* to be joint NCUC-NCSG membership applications. Each of the constituencies is creating a joint constituency-NCSG form and the ones you are looking at are the JOINT ncuc-ncsg forms (as it says on the top of the form). Amber is working the joint form with NPOC and will send that to the EC for posting to the NCSG wiki when she is done with it. These forms being joint forms with the constituencies was discussed on this list and during the EC meeting (toward the beginning of the transcript), so I'm not sure how that was over-looked and the assumption was made otherwise. > > These forms are just short-term measures because we needed something to put up immediately since we have been without any kind of online membership form for so long. We need a long term solution that integrates an online database and are looking at these options now. Since you have taken an interest in the charter's requirements for an online form, I hope you would be glad to volunteer to create one for the SG, as such constructive participation would be most welcome - and needed. > > Thanks, > Robin > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Dear Robin, >> >> On 11 Nov 2011, at 12:50, Robin Gross wrote: >> >>> Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. >> >> I hope you will forgive me for offering advice, but I figure that is part of the reason I was put back on this list. >> >> I think that the forms need some more work. I do not just mean the fact that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. >> >> Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: ) and find it is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. >> >> I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: >> >>> 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? >>> >>> Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). >> >> I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. >> >> Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done consistently though the entire set of application forms. >> >> There is something new that might need to be added to the individual membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. >> >> Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. >> >> Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership regime with proper forms. >> >> best regards, >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EC-NCSG mailing list >> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg >> > > > > > IP JUSTICE > Robin Gross, Executive Director > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org > > > From Michael.Carson Mon Nov 14 15:34:38 2011 From: Michael.Carson (Carson, Michael) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:34:38 -0600 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted In-Reply-To: <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> References: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org>, <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> Message-ID: <0985DD878BEFCD48B2D164C99783AD724043E9BF3E@exymca05.YMCA.NET> Avri, Thanks for sharing. We will work with Amber to create an NPOC form, but your concern about a joint form is a concern we have as well. Based on our conversations with the mediator in Dakar, we were under the impression that we are to create a separate, but similar NCUC and NPOC form; not an NCUC-NCSG/NPOC-NCSG form. When members join NPOC, they become a part of the SG, but the process (joint NSCG form) in place appears to direct members away from the constituency. NPOC's EC are still open to discuss this matter. Best, Michael Michael A. Carson Jr. Office of the General Counsel YMCA of the USA ________________________________________ From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria [avri at acm.org] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:03 PM To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted Dear Robin, Seems a bit odd, but if that is the way the EC wants to do it, ok I guess. Should probably indicate that fact in the text that points to the forms - as it is, it gave me the impression that it was pointing to an NCSG membership form. As for the offer to take responsibility for creating an NCSG specific form, I must politely decline the opportunity. Should I figure out how to create an online form in the wiki, I will be glad to explain how it is done to you, but having carried the load of NCSG administration alone for 2 years only to have some of it undone, I have decided to devote my administrative volunteering time and capabilities elsewhere for the foreseeable future. I do hope that comments based on review are still valued, even if the effort to fix them is not also volunteered. Best Regards, avri On 13 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Robin Gross wrote: > There seem to be some misunderstanding about these forms. These forms are *supposed* to be joint NCUC-NCSG membership applications. Each of the constituencies is creating a joint constituency-NCSG form and the ones you are looking at are the JOINT ncuc-ncsg forms (as it says on the top of the form). Amber is working the joint form with NPOC and will send that to the EC for posting to the NCSG wiki when she is done with it. These forms being joint forms with the constituencies was discussed on this list and during the EC meeting (toward the beginning of the transcript), so I'm not sure how that was over-looked and the assumption was made otherwise. > > These forms are just short-term measures because we needed something to put up immediately since we have been without any kind of online membership form for so long. We need a long term solution that integrates an online database and are looking at these options now. Since you have taken an interest in the charter's requirements for an online form, I hope you would be glad to volunteer to create one for the SG, as such constructive participation would be most welcome - and needed. > > Thanks, > Robin > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Dear Robin, >> >> On 11 Nov 2011, at 12:50, Robin Gross wrote: >> >>> Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. >> >> I hope you will forgive me for offering advice, but I figure that is part of the reason I was put back on this list. >> >> I think that the forms need some more work. I do not just mean the fact that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. >> >> Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: ) and find it is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. >> >> I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: >> >>> 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? >>> >>> Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). >> >> I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. >> >> Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done consistently though the entire set of application forms. >> >> There is something new that might need to be added to the individual membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. >> >> Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. >> >> Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership regime with proper forms. >> >> best regards, >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EC-NCSG mailing list >> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg >> > > > > > IP JUSTICE > Robin Gross, Executive Director > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org > > > _______________________________________________ EC-NCSG mailing list EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg From mueller Mon Nov 14 17:59:46 2011 From: mueller (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:46 +0000 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted In-Reply-To: <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> References: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org> <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD203506F@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Avri, I don't see how you can say it is "odd." Every member has to join NCSG, and most will also join a constituency. What would be odd is to separate the processes. Ideally (and this is what some of us thought should happen) people would join NCSG first, and then sort themselves into constituencies (or not) later. But that involves two distinct steps, which makes an already confusing process more confusing. Further, NPOC did not want to operate that way, and we are respecting their method of recruiting new members and bringing them into NCSG and NPOC at the same time. In order to make the process consistent NCUC is doing the same thing. > -----Original Message----- > From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg- > bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:04 PM > To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org > Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted > > Dear Robin, > > Seems a bit odd, but if that is the way the EC wants to do it, ok I guess. > Should probably indicate that fact in the text that points to the forms - as it > is, it gave me the impression that it was pointing to an NCSG membership > form. > > As for the offer to take responsibility for creating an NCSG specific form, I > must politely decline the opportunity. Should I figure out how to create an > online form in the wiki, I will be glad to explain how it is done to you, but > having carried the load of NCSG administration alone for 2 years only to have > some of it undone, I have decided to devote my administrative volunteering > time and capabilities elsewhere for the foreseeable future. I do hope that > comments based on review are still valued, even if the effort to fix them is > not also volunteered. > > Best Regards, > > avri > > > > On 13 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Robin Gross wrote: > > > There seem to be some misunderstanding about these forms. These > forms are *supposed* to be joint NCUC-NCSG membership applications. > Each of the constituencies is creating a joint constituency-NCSG form and the > ones you are looking at are the JOINT ncuc-ncsg forms (as it says on the top > of the form). Amber is working the joint form with NPOC and will send that > to the EC for posting to the NCSG wiki when she is done with it. These forms > being joint forms with the constituencies was discussed on this list and during > the EC meeting (toward the beginning of the transcript), so I'm not sure how > that was over-looked and the assumption was made otherwise. > > > > These forms are just short-term measures because we needed something > to put up immediately since we have been without any kind of online > membership form for so long. We need a long term solution that integrates > an online database and are looking at these options now. Since you have > taken an interest in the charter's requirements for an online form, I hope you > would be glad to volunteer to create one for the SG, as such constructive > participation would be most welcome - and needed. > > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > > > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > >> Dear Robin, > >> > >> On 11 Nov 2011, at 12:50, Robin Gross wrote: > >> > >>> Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the > promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. > >> > >> I hope you will forgive me for offering advice, but I figure that is part of > the reason I was put back on this list. > >> > >> I think that the forms need some more work. I do not just mean the fact > that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another > issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve > it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki > for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I > do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. > >> > >> Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: > NCUC-Organization-member- > Application2.htm?version=1&modificationDate=1320987366896>) and find it > is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the > NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but > in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either > NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency > applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the > appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend > that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the > ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form > as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. > >> > >> I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: > >> > >>> 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? > >>> > >>> Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only > real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned > Names and Numbers (ICANN). > >> > >> I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but > you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a > sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra > level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 > constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond > the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far > as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. > >> > >> Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the > NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done > consistently though the entire set of application forms. > >> > >> There is something new that might need to be added to the individual > membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an > organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they > have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should > probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current > members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining > NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are > already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. > >> > >> Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find > other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. > >> > >> Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership > regime with proper forms. > >> > >> best regards, > >> > >> avri > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> EC-NCSG mailing list > >> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg > >> > > > > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE > > Robin Gross, Executive Director > > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg From avri Mon Nov 14 18:23:58 2011 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:23:58 -0500 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD203506F@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org> <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD203506F@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <79607B7B-5E21-43FC-A56F-94ACAE42A68F@acm.org> Milton, I think people should be able to join just the NCSG as individuals and then figure out what to do next. And I think they should able to join any of the full status constituencies when joining the NCSG. But I did not think they should be able to join a constituency first. I realize that as a candidate constituency, this was the path used by NPOC, but I never really thought it fit in the charter's logic - but since the charter wasn't the charter yet, it was a grandfathered method that caused some confusion that you all are still working through. I think there is a 2 step process mandated by the charter, first one is accepted by the NCSG EC as an NCSG member, and then one is reviewed by the Constituency(ies) of their choice. I think that is what the charter requires. Of course charter can always be amended, though I personally think it is a bit early to go amending this one. I see no problem with either an NCSG only form, or a form that includes NCSG and all full status constituencies. I think that having separate NCSG/NCUC and NCSG/NPOC membership forms is problematic. I think having only an NCSU/NCUC form being referred to as an NCSG form is odd. Ie. the web page says nothing about NCSG/NCUC or NCSG/NPOC it just sats: > ? If your noncommercial / nonprofit organization wishes to join NCSG, please fill out the Organization Membership Application (.doc) or (.html) and email the completed form to join-ncsg at ipjustice.org. OR: > ? Individuals are also welcome to join NCSG by filling out this Individual Membership Application (.doc) or (.html) and email the completed form to join-ncsg at ipjustice.org. > Further i think the diremption devalues the notion of the independent NCSG member, and it forces one to choose between two paths when such a choice should not be necessary and is not mandated in the charter. One is not required to join a constituency, though of course there is some positive value in doing so. Hence I called it odd. avri On 14 Nov 2011, at 10:59, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Avri, > I don't see how you can say it is "odd." > Every member has to join NCSG, and most will also join a constituency. What would be odd is to separate the processes. > > Ideally (and this is what some of us thought should happen) people would join NCSG first, and then sort themselves into constituencies (or not) later. But that involves two distinct steps, which makes an already confusing process more confusing. > > Further, NPOC did not want to operate that way, and we are respecting their method of recruiting new members and bringing them into NCSG and NPOC at the same time. In order to make the process consistent NCUC is doing the same thing. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg- >> bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria >> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:04 PM >> To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org >> Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted >> >> Dear Robin, >> >> Seems a bit odd, but if that is the way the EC wants to do it, ok I guess. >> Should probably indicate that fact in the text that points to the forms - as it >> is, it gave me the impression that it was pointing to an NCSG membership >> form. >> >> As for the offer to take responsibility for creating an NCSG specific form, I >> must politely decline the opportunity. Should I figure out how to create an >> online form in the wiki, I will be glad to explain how it is done to you, but >> having carried the load of NCSG administration alone for 2 years only to have >> some of it undone, I have decided to devote my administrative volunteering >> time and capabilities elsewhere for the foreseeable future. I do hope that >> comments based on review are still valued, even if the effort to fix them is >> not also volunteered. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> avri >> >> >> >> On 13 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Robin Gross wrote: >> >>> There seem to be some misunderstanding about these forms. These >> forms are *supposed* to be joint NCUC-NCSG membership applications. >> Each of the constituencies is creating a joint constituency-NCSG form and the >> ones you are looking at are the JOINT ncuc-ncsg forms (as it says on the top >> of the form). Amber is working the joint form with NPOC and will send that >> to the EC for posting to the NCSG wiki when she is done with it. These forms >> being joint forms with the constituencies was discussed on this list and during >> the EC meeting (toward the beginning of the transcript), so I'm not sure how >> that was over-looked and the assumption was made otherwise. >>> >>> These forms are just short-term measures because we needed something >> to put up immediately since we have been without any kind of online >> membership form for so long. We need a long term solution that integrates >> an online database and are looking at these options now. Since you have >> taken an interest in the charter's requirements for an online form, I hope you >> would be glad to volunteer to create one for the SG, as such constructive >> participation would be most welcome - and needed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Robin, >>>> >>>> On 11 Nov 2011, at 12:50, Robin Gross wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the >> promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. >>>> >>>> I hope you will forgive me for offering advice, but I figure that is part of >> the reason I was put back on this list. >>>> >>>> I think that the forms need some more work. I do not just mean the fact >> that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another >> issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve >> it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki >> for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I >> do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. >>>> >>>> Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: >> > NCUC-Organization-member- >> Application2.htm?version=1&modificationDate=1320987366896>) and find it >> is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the >> NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but >> in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either >> NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency >> applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the >> appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend >> that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the >> ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form >> as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. >>>> >>>> I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: >>>> >>>>> 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? >>>>> >>>>> Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only >> real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned >> Names and Numbers (ICANN). >>>> >>>> I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but >> you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a >> sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra >> level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 >> constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond >> the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far >> as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. >>>> >>>> Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the >> NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done >> consistently though the entire set of application forms. >>>> >>>> There is something new that might need to be added to the individual >> membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an >> organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they >> have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should >> probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current >> members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining >> NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are >> already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. >>>> >>>> Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find >> other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. >>>> >>>> Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership >> regime with proper forms. >>>> >>>> best regards, >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> EC-NCSG mailing list >>>> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >>>> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> IP JUSTICE >>> Robin Gross, Executive Director >>> 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA >>> p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 >>> w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EC-NCSG mailing list >> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg From avri Mon Nov 14 18:55:27 2011 From: avri (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:55:27 -0500 Subject: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted In-Reply-To: <79607B7B-5E21-43FC-A56F-94ACAE42A68F@acm.org> References: <6CE7CF7E-9D74-4C45-8FC1-3E84440F9885@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <44A2703D-1882-4C2C-A1E1-4EF317D00E50@ipjustice.org> <4C34775A-12ED-4375-A6B4-20A8C8F368CA@acm.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD203506F@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <79607B7B-5E21-43FC-A56F-94ACAE42A68F@acm.org> Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2011, at 11:23, Avri Doria wrote: > a form that includes NCSG and all full status constituencies. I know this isn't quite what was asked for when I was asked to create a new form, but here is a possible outline for one. Overview explanation of the process and that follow-up may be required giving interval expectations etc. a. section that asks all info needed for NCSG membership b. section explains requirement of NCSG membership and asks for affirmation of which requirements are met by this application c. section that asks for agreement to live by NCSG, GNSO, ICANN etc principles d. section that asks if they also wish to apply for Constituency membership indicating this is optional e. if yes - explanation that the application will be passed on to appropriate Constituency membership function e1 - section explaining NCUC requirements and requesting any extra need info e1.1 - check box for agreeing to live by NCUC rules etc e2 - section explaining NPOC requirements and requesting an extra info e2.1 - check box for agreeing to live by NPOC rues etc From robin Mon Nov 14 20:00:49 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:00:49 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] Fwd: Initial Draft Proposal regarding standard Project Funding to Constituencies/SGs References: Message-ID: FYI: Begin forwarded message: > From: Marilyn Cade > Date: November 13, 2011 6:36:35 PM PST > To: Steve Metalitz , Chris at Andalucia , Tony Holmes , Matt Serlin , Mason Cole , David Maher , Konstantine Komaitis , Amber Sterling > Cc: Robin Gross , "bc-secretariat @icann" > Subject: Initial Draft Proposal regarding standard Project Funding to Constituencies/SGs > > > I mentioned to some of you that the BC submitted a proposal last year that was not funded, but that we thought it useful to share with you, and seek your support for a version of a standard support project that can be self administered at the Constituency level [in the case of the Ry and RR, that would be SG level]. We proposed $20,000 in 2012, and you will see that we have increased it to $25,000 in 2013. > > We have specific activities in mind, and listed those. They may not be inclusive of what your entity would want to seek funding for. In our case, we primarily want to do recruitment, and we would be able to support our part time secretariat/travel, and our ongoing interest in developing some materials. > > You may have other items that you would like to see in the list, and we did not mean to make it exclusive. > > We would welcome your views, including if you do not want to join in any further discussion. Each constituency would still have to submit their own budget request and each will be approved individually, without any dependencies. What we are proposing is a jointly developed endorsement of such an approach. This certainly isn't required by the budget process, however. > > As you all know, when the GNSO improvements plan was approved by the Board, certain unfunded mandates including maintaining a website, archiving records, and certain other activities were mandated for constituencies/SGs but without any consideration of how we developed resources. I gathered that the staff and Board may have had some irrational enthusiam that the ToolKit would magically solve all such needs. It is useful, but not encompassing. And, ICANN's timeline for completing it has been extremely slow. The GNSO website improvements themselves are still pending, which has made us reluctant to move our website itself to ICANN. However, this proposal is about different services than the ToolKit provides, as you will see. > > I hope you find this useful to consider, and welcome any suggestions, or thoughts. > > As noted, I have shared the draft with the CFO, but only as a concept paper. I have not indicated whether others will join in endorsing or improving it, so don't feel that you are at this point committed to supporting the concept. You are not, but we would welcome collaborating, if that makes sense to you. > > If any of you would like to have a phone discussion, we can arrange that as well. > I copied Benedetta Rossi, the BC's Secretariat, who would arrange any such call. > > Regards > > Marilyn Cade > Chris Chaplow IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Her position is that no member should be able to join NPOC and NCSG at the same time. Originally, that was my position as well - it is one of the reasons we had so many misunderstandings in the initial formative stages of the NCSG. But a two-step membership process (join NCSG first, NPOC later) was, we were told, unacceptable to NPOC and so we are going through an elaborate process to accommodate your (NPOC's) views by jointly creating forms that will combine constituency membership with NCSG membership. This would allow you to sign up members and submit their membership to NCSG at the same time - and of course it would allow NCUC to do the same. If you have changed your views then by all means we can have a 2-step membership process in which people join NCSG first and constituencies later. I suspect you will have no trouble getting most NCUC people to shift back to that position. The only reason they changed was to accommodate you. Please do let me know. > -----Original Message----- > From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [mailto:ec-ncsg- > bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Carson, Michael > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:35 AM > To: Avri Doria; ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org > Cc: asterling at aamc.org > Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted > > Avri, > > Thanks for sharing. We will work with Amber to create an NPOC form, but > your concern about a joint form is a concern we have as well. Based on our > conversations with the mediator in Dakar, we were under the impression > that we are to create a separate, but similar NCUC and NPOC form; not an > NCUC-NCSG/NPOC-NCSG form. When members join NPOC, they become a > part of the SG, but the process (joint NSCG form) in place appears to direct > members away from the constituency. NPOC's EC are still open to discuss > this matter. > > Best, > > Michael > > > Michael A. Carson Jr. > Office of the General Counsel > YMCA of the USA > ________________________________________ > From: ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org [ec-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org] On > Behalf Of Avri Doria [avri at acm.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:03 PM > To: ec-ncsg at ipjustice.org > Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] 2 new NCSG membership applications submitted > > Dear Robin, > > Seems a bit odd, but if that is the way the EC wants to do it, ok I guess. > Should probably indicate that fact in the text that points to the forms - as it > is, it gave me the impression that it was pointing to an NCSG membership > form. > > As for the offer to take responsibility for creating an NCSG specific form, I > must politely decline the opportunity. Should I figure out how to create an > online form in the wiki, I will be glad to explain how it is done to you, but > having carried the load of NCSG administration alone for 2 years only to have > some of it undone, I have decided to devote my administrative volunteering > time and capabilities elsewhere for the foreseeable future. I do hope that > comments based on review are still valued, even if the effort to fix them is > not also volunteered. > > Best Regards, > > avri > > > > On 13 Nov 2011, at 18:15, Robin Gross wrote: > > > There seem to be some misunderstanding about these forms. These > forms are *supposed* to be joint NCUC-NCSG membership applications. > Each of the constituencies is creating a joint constituency-NCSG form and the > ones you are looking at are the JOINT ncuc-ncsg forms (as it says on the top > of the form). Amber is working the joint form with NPOC and will send that > to the EC for posting to the NCSG wiki when she is done with it. These forms > being joint forms with the constituencies was discussed on this list and during > the EC meeting (toward the beginning of the transcript), so I'm not sure how > that was over-looked and the assumption was made otherwise. > > > > These forms are just short-term measures because we needed something > to put up immediately since we have been without any kind of online > membership form for so long. We need a long term solution that integrates > an online database and are looking at these options now. Since you have > taken an interest in the charter's requirements for an online form, I hope you > would be glad to volunteer to create one for the SG, as such constructive > participation would be most welcome - and needed. > > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > > > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > >> Dear Robin, > >> > >> On 11 Nov 2011, at 12:50, Robin Gross wrote: > >> > >>> Also FYI: I've updated the membership forms online to include the > promise to follow the rules as stated the charter. > >> > >> I hope you will forgive me for offering advice, but I figure that is part of > the reason I was put back on this list. > >> > >> I think that the forms need some more work. I do not just mean the fact > that while it a form one finds online, it is not an online form. That is another > issue, and I know it will be hard one for you to solve (I admit I could not solve > it). I am currently experimenting with setting up an online form in the wiki > for another purpose, and must admit I have not figured it out yet - though I > do think the secret is to embed html in the wiki. > >> > >> Getting back to the form as it currently stands, (I am looking at: > NCUC-Organization-member- > Application2.htm?version=1&modificationDate=1320987366896>) and find it > is a NCUC/NCSG form and not an NCSG form. I think that it is fine that the > NCSG form ask if people want to join constituencies as well as the NCSG, but > in which case, it should probably include an option for one to join either > NCUC or NPOC or even both - with the review of these constituency > applications pending the acceptance of the NCSG and the review by the > appropriate people from the designated constituencies. So I recommend > that either the form remove the option for people to join NCUC or add the > ability to join NPOC. Of course this would only be on the organizational form > as individuals are not qualified, as far as I know, for NPOC membership. > >> > >> I also think that the FAQ is somewhat problematic as it includes text like: > >> > >>> 1. Should I be a member both of NCUC and NCSG? > >>> > >>> Yes. Membership in NCUC is important because it strengthens the only > real noncommercial voices within the Internet Corporation for Assigned > Names and Numbers (ICANN). > >> > >> I am sure this is a hangover from previous NCUC membership forms, but > you may want to re-consider the text. It is certainly reasonable to mention a > sales pitch from each of the full status constituencies and to explain the extra > level of participation one get by exercising the member's right to join up to 3 > constituencies. It would also be good to list any special requirements beyond > the NCSG membership requirements for Constituency membership, in so far > as the Constituencies may have additional membership requirements. > >> > >> Also, while I see that you aded a check for subscribing to the rules of the > NCSG and ICANN to some of the forms, it does not look like it was done > consistently though the entire set of application forms. > >> > >> There is something new that might need to be added to the individual > membership form. With the new charter, a person who is part of an > organizational member may only be an individual member as well if they > have a non-commercial registration as an individual. That limitation should > probably be expressed in the form. this may also affect some current > members. Also the individual application gives people a choice of just joining > NCUC without also joining NCSG. while I guess this is ok for people who are > already NCSG members, this is not clear from the form. > >> > >> Anyway, this is what I have noticed as of now, though of course I may find > other issues as time goes on, and if it is ok, will send a follow-up. > >> > >> Thanks for all your hard work trying to create an appropriate membership > regime with proper forms. > >> > >> best regards, > >> > >> avri > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> EC-NCSG mailing list > >> EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > >> http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg > >> > > > > > > > > > > IP JUSTICE > > Robin Gross, Executive Director > > 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA > > p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 > > w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin at ipjustice.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg > > _______________________________________________ > EC-NCSG mailing list > EC-NCSG at ipjustice.org > http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/ec-ncsg From robin Tue Nov 22 22:14:30 2011 From: robin (Robin Gross) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:14:30 -0800 Subject: [EC-NCSG] updated info on NCSG applications Message-ID: Dear EC Members: Attached and below is the updated data that I have received regarding pending NCSG membership applications (in follow-up to our 8 Nov EC meeting). I've also saved these attached documents in the NCSG Google documents folder that you each have access to. This data should help with our continued evaluations of these NCSG Membership Applications. Thanks, Robin This org was determined ineligible for NCSG membership: Kaswesha Community Resource Center Reason provided for non-approval: Not the exclusive user of at least one domain name (a requirement for eligibility under NCSG Charter Section 2.2.1). They were invited to re-apply when they have a noncommercial domain name. Update: Supplied domain (http://www.kaswesha.kbo.co.ke/) and submitted updated application (attached). These orgs are undergoing further evaluation: Child Protection Alliance Issue: Question regarding who is membership of org. Response: Attached documents on membership provided. Tranquil Space Foundation Response from Tranquil Space: "Please substitute Kimberly Wilson, president of Tranquil Space Foundation as the alternate." 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