[Ncsg-discuss] PIR and Autistici/Inventati

[Kenechukwu Okekenta]

Thank you Carlos, for re-establishing how the incident potentially affects
NCSG and noncommercial interests.

Given the current situation, is there anything that could be done by the
NCSG and are there structures in place to follow up on matters or
situations such as this one?

Thank you

Regards.



*Engr. Kenechukwu Okekenta fNSIG*
*IT **Project Coordinator, **Support Specialist, **Security Analyst,* *CDPO
and Educator*

*LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/kenechukwu-okekenta>*

On Sun, Aug 30, 2026, 11:28 Carlos Vera <
000022318a8e4197-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:

> I think it would be useful to separate the underlying US designation from
> the issue that is directly relevant to us as NCSG.
>
>
> Whether the designation of Autistici/Inventati was justified is a
> different legal and political discussion. Our more immediate concern should
> be the registry action affecting a noncommercial .ORG registrant and the
> process surrounding it.
>
>
> The basic facts are relatively easy to establish from authoritative
> sources: OFAC designated A/I; PIR is a US entity and the .ORG registry
> operator; and autistici.org is under serverHold, a registry-level status.
>
>
> What we do not know is what matters most here: What specifically required
> PIR to apply serverHold? Was that particular measure legally required or
> an implementation decision by PIR? What notice, transparency and review
> procedures apply when a registry takes this type of action?
>
>
> This is where NCSG can make a useful contribution: establish the facts
> from primary sources, seek clarification from PIR and, if necessary,
> consider whether current registry processes provide adequate transparency
> and procedural safeguards for noncommercial registrants in cases involving
> government sanctions or requests.
> Carlos Vera
>
>
> El ago 30, 2026, a la(s) 04:32, Kenechukwu Okekenta <
> 00002122db04c5e1-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> escribió:
>
> 
> Unless there's something missing, in my view and according to the piece,
> it would seem it's unclear what basis the infrastructure manager should be
> punished for the publications made on platforms running on its
> infrastructure. This may not totally be supportive of free expression. :)
>
> I do not think that publishing on a platform should make the management or
> the owner of the underlying infrastructure liable for the content published
> through the platform. Otherwise, it would simply be a case of, *"giving a
> dog a bad name to hang it"*. I think it's important that no unfortunate
> precedent is set in this case.
>
> For example, there have been many confirmed cases of terrorist-linked user
> accounts on then *Twitter*. Would it be best to say that *Jack Dorsey* (then),
> is a terrorist sympathizer?
>
> During the initial rampage of ISIS, when its then brutal leader - *Abu-Bakr
> al-Baghdadi*  unfortunately beheaded *Peter Kassig *- an American aid
> worker, in 2014, through the *British ISIS member,* the gory video was
> shared via *YouTube*. Would it make a lot of sense to say that *YouTube*
> is a terrorist sponsor or that *Google* is building infrastructure for
> terrorists?
>
> Well, I personally do not think so and hope the incident does not portray
> "not walking the talk".
>
> In any case, I hope we'll see more context as more information becomes
> available.
>
> Regards.
>
> *Engr. Kenechukwu Okekenta fNSIG*
> *IT **Project Coordinator, **Support Specialist, **Security Analyst,* *CDPO
> and Educator*
>
> *LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/kenechukwu-okekenta>*
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2026, 22:08 farzaneh badii <
> 00001deb507b73c5-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:
>
>> I shared for his technical reasoning. Which is one of the clearest one I
>> have seen that provides evidence that PIR has taken action.
>> The blog also mentions that this is not the first in this year that PIR
>> is doing this.
>> Also this is not the first time that the registry gets involved. And the
>> EU and other places are not free from these kinds of actions either. We
>> need to think about processes and transparency when such actions are taken.
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2026 at 9:37 PM Carlos Vera <cveraq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bortzmeyer repeatedly calls what happened "censorship" and makes very
>>> strong political statements against Trump and against the US prosecution.
>>> Those are the author's opinions, not the results of his technical analysis.
>>>
>>> Carlos Vera
>>>
>>> El ago 29, 2026, a la(s) 14:16, farzaneh badii <
>>> 00001deb507b73c5-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> escribió:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> We need to demand more transparency in their processes and having to
>>> follow “the applicable law” doesn’t mean that 1) they have to just follow
>>> the order without consultation 2) provide no transparency whatsoever 3)
>>> this was not a court order, they need to provide at least an explanation.
>>>
>>> Here is Stephane’s explanation of what happened
>>> https://www.bortzmeyer.org/autistici.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2026 at 7:45 PM Kenechukwu Okekenta <
>>> 00002122db04c5e1-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for sharing, Niels.
>>>>
>>>> It was quite informative and eye-opening.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> *Engr. Kenechukwu Okekenta fNSIG*
>>>> *IT **Project Coordinator, **Support Specialist, **Security Analyst,* *Certified
>>>> Data Privacy Expert and Educator*
>>>>
>>>> *LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/kenechukwu-okekenta>*
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2026, 20:04 Kathy Kleiman <
>>>> 00001e85639e37fc-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Niels,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to see you back.  We don't have anyone on PIR's Advisory Board
>>>>> right now, but I am on the PIR Board. That of course means I am not
>>>>> involved with daily operations (although I was years ago). Let's
>>>>> discuss
>>>>> offline and get back to the group together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/28/2026 11:42 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Who is currently our representative on the PIR board? It is quite
>>>>> > unsettling that PIR has taken away the .org registration from an
>>>>> > Italian NGO following Trump government's executive order.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://sabotmedia.noblogs.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati-before-september-25/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Niels
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kathy Kleiman
>>>>> Past President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
>>>>>
>>>>
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